Doidge and Newell

[SDavey1992]

Piss off back to Middle-English, league 1 mediocrity you useless, slow, wage-thieves. We will never progress as a club relying on either. Good games against part timers once every 2 months isn't good enough anymore, not for £400 a season. Should have sent them on the bus with Hecky.

[Alfred E Newman]

Piss off back to Middle-English, league 1 mediocrity you useless, slow, wage-thieves. We will never progress as a club relying on either. Good games against part timers once every 2 months isn't good enough anymore, not for £400 a season. Should have sent them on the bus with Hecky.

I would hire a double decker and put the whole lot on it, Ron Gordon and all.

[Callum_62]

Who doenst like a "wage thief" rant

[emoji51]

Guessing some folk didn't learn anything from the Rocky situation

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[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Who doenst like a "wage thief" rant

[emoji51]

Guessing some folk didn't learn anything from the Rocky situation

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Different scenario. Rocky was injured for most of his loan spell, these two have been ripping the Colin Nish for a while now. Absolutely garbage


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[SDavey1992]

Who doenst like a "wage thief" rant

[emoji51]

Guessing some folk didn't learn anything from the Rocky situation

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We've had 6 months from Rocky (who I never gave any nonsense to, and I think he's been fine so far, and is still young), we've had nearly 4 years from these clowns.

[Tambo]

This thread won't end well but thought Doidge was poor tonight and Joe just not involved enough.

Alot of pressure on Youan when he's ready to find the goals early.

[ancient hibee]

Who doenst like a "wage thief" rant

[emoji51]

Guessing some folk didn't learn anything from the Rocky situation

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He’s only had 35/posts in 10:years.Must be upset.

[Nicho87]

Said during the doidge debate few weeks back, he is not good enough. I personally don’t think he ever has been, clumsy one paced striker who I struggle to see what he remotely brings to the table.
Bojang came on, five minutes later a goal, no coincidence

Newell, fully agree, time to move on, I think he thinks he’s better than what he is.

[Pretty Boy]

Doidge has been a good servant who has clearly been left with lasting impact from his injury. It's time for him to go but he goes with my best wishes.

Newell has flattered to deceive for years. If we want to improve that midfield he can't be the flagship player in it. Footballs a harsh game and he's had plenty chances. Time to bring in a player with the attributes Newell lacks. A bit urgency and energy, even lacking the obvious natural ability JN has, would improve us.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Awaiting Newell and Doidges fan club to tell us they are better than anything else we have so must stay

[hhibs]

Different scenario. Rocky was injured for most of his loan spell, these two have been ripping the Colin Nish for a while now. Absolutely garbage


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Less so Doidge in my opinion,injury followed by Covid is a hard road.

As for Newell ,he really can just go ,he is a root cause of the rot in the HIbs team and,has been for a while.

[Cameron1875]

Can anyone seriously make an argument for them staying and being part of the starting 11?

Both have been involved in every single failure of this club during their 3 years here. Get them in the absolute bin and lets replace them with more quality.

I'm especially disappointed in Newell as despite the fact he has composure, he just doesn't look like he has any oomph in him when a game gets ugly. God help him if he ends up in League 1 again playing absolute jobbers.

[SDavey1992]

Doidge has been a good servant who has clearly been left with lasting impact from his injury. It's time for him to go but he goes with my best wishes.

Newell has flattered to deceive for years. If we want to improve that midfield he can't be the flagship player in it. Footballs a harsh game and he's had plenty chances. Time to bring in a player with the attributes Newell lacks. A bit urgency and energy, even lacking the obvious natural ability JN has, would improve us.

I don't get the good servant stuff, we stuck by him through an injury and offered him a new deal, and have paid him a presumably relatively nice wage for a shoddy goal return.

Newell's potential 'urgency' has been the debate for 4 managers now, if none of them can unlock it, it's not getting unlocked..

[Since452]

Doidge has been a good servant who has clearly been left with lasting impact from his injury. It's time for him to go but he goes with my best wishes.

Newell has flattered to deceive for years. If we want to improve that midfield he can't be the flagship player in it. Footballs a harsh game and he's had plenty chances. Time to bring in a player with the attributes Newell lacks. A bit urgency and energy, even lacking the obvious natural ability JN has, would improve us.

Reluctantly agree.

[MikeyS]

Big Doidge is certainly limited but does generally work hard. Newell however is a wannabe show pony who's only consistent skills appear to be niggly fouls and fixing his hair after a pass.

[Jim44]

I would hire a double decker and put the whole lot on it, Ron Gordon and all.

I think Ron Gordon is the root of the problem.

[MKHIBEE]

Doidge has been a good servant who has clearly been left with lasting impact from his injury. It's time for him to go but he goes with my best wishes.

Newell has flattered to deceive for years. If we want to improve that midfield he can't be the flagship player in it. Footballs a harsh game and he's had plenty chances. Time to bring in a player with the attributes Newell lacks. A bit urgency and energy, even lacking the obvious natural ability JN has, would improve us.
A considered, thought out response which for me calls it right. Time to accept the inevitable and move on.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Awaiting Newell and Doidges fan club to tell us they are better than anything else we have so must stay

They’re no better or worse than the rest.

[MKHIBEE]

I think Ron Gordon is the root of the problem.

In what way?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Doidge has been a good servant who has clearly been left with lasting impact from his injury. It's time for him to go but he goes with my best wishes.

Newell has flattered to deceive for years. If we want to improve that midfield he can't be the flagship player in it. Footballs a harsh game and he's had plenty chances. Time to bring in a player with the attributes Newell lacks. A bit urgency and energy, even lacking the obvious natural ability JN has, would improve us.

This.

Time to move both them on.

[bigwheel]

They’re no better or worse than the rest.

Precisely…..Doidge was poor, yet worryingly he still did more than his replacement. I’d say so far the levels of performance across the squad is a big concern . Early days, but the management team are not showing any signs they can get performances from this group.


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[LunasBoots]

Blame lies with the club for signing players who are simply not good enough. Doidge isn't bad but you have to play a game style around him which we don't do.

[BoomtownHibees]

Precisely…..Doidge was poor, yet worryingly he still did more than his replacement. I’d say so far the levels of performance across the squad is a big concern . Early days, but the management team are not showing any signs they can get performances from this group.


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Doidge done more than Bojang?

[bigwheel]

Doidge done more than Bojang?

Bojang did zero….


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[The Modfather]

Precisely…..Doidge was poor, yet worryingly he still did more than his replacement. I’d say so far the levels of performance across the squad is a big concern . Early days, but the management team are not showing any signs they can get performances from this group.


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This group got Ross, Maloney & look hell bent on getting getting Johnson sacked. Until we move on the likes of Newell, Campbell, JDH, Doidge & Magennis and bring in players with attributes that make the team greater than the sum of its parts we’ll continue the manager merry go round and Groundhog Day like deficiencies in the team.

[BoomtownHibees]

Bojang did zero….


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Apart from at the goal you mean?

Not saying he was brilliant by any stretch but at least he was involved in something positive. Not sure what Doidge done with his time on the park

[skyehibee]

Bojang did zero….


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Least he actually won a header, doidge didn’t win one all game

[bigwheel]

Least he actually won a header, doidge didn’t win one all game

Well that’s not true is it….he was rubbish, like many…but he won a few headers…


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[Mcbizz1998]

Who doenst like a "wage thief" rant

[emoji51]

Guessing some folk didn't learn anything from the Rocky situation

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Learn what? Rocky is pish as well. We can all kid on being nice about him since the “why do the fans hate me” comment but he is garbage.

[erin go bragh]

Bojang did zero….


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His persistence chasing the ball led to Henderson scoring

[eastmainsmsh]

I think Ron Gordon is the root of the problem.

Clearly targeting signings with potential sell on fees clear to see only one sticking out is Melkerson at times that was Dire tonight embarrassing

[B.H.F.C]

Doidge’s time is up. He’s so slow it’s unreal. And for one that works so hard he just let the boy wander away from him in the lead up to the penalty (he knew it going by his reaction as well). I think he’ll be away before the window closes.

I have absolutely no desire to watch another year of Joe Newell wandering round in the middle of the park looking busy but generally contributing nothing. It’s shameful that we haven’t addressed that area of the park.

[NC1875]

Neither are good football players, will have the odd good game on e in a blue moon.

But even I looked like Maradona in Lochend Park sometimes.

The experts will be along to tell us it’s not there fault soon.

[WeeRussell]

Well that’s not true is it….he was rubbish, like many…but he won a few headers…


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Well “Bojang done zero” isn’t true either is it.

He won more decent headers than Doidge in his time on the pitch.

[Jones28]

Well “Bojang done zero” isn’t true either is it.

He won more decent headers than Doidge in his time on the pitch.

Someone even commented that bojangs running was what gave Henderson his chance to score.

[NC1875]

Big Doidge is certainly limited but does generally work hard. Newell however is a wannabe show pony who's only consistent skills appear to be niggly fouls and fixing his hair after a pass.

Spot on. Newell is one of those who thinks he’s a player. More interested in how he looks than rolling his sleeves up and winning a midfield battle.

Imposter and has been all along

[bigwheel]

Well “Bojang done zero” isn’t true either is it.

He won more decent headers than Doidge in his time on the pitch.

Can’t recall more than one, but let’s be honest, we are just debating about who was least garbage..as neither of them were any good tonight.


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[Big_Franck]

There are others, but these 2 players are a significant part of the problem right now. Both on decent wages and both were given contract extensions for some reason. Neither of them are performing anywhere near the levels necessary to get us challening for 3rd/4th. We really need better and if we persist with them, which seems likely, we'll be bottom 6 again.

[Hermit Crab]

Newell found his level on Sunday, Doidge was never been good enough. Empty the pair of them.

[jeffers]

There are others, but these 2 players are a significant part of the problem right now. Both on decent wages and both were given contract extensions for some reason. Neither of them are performing anywhere near the levels necessary to get us challening for 3rd/4th. We really need better and if we persist with them, which seems likely, we'll be bottom 6 again.

The point about their contracts/wages is a good one. While I clearly don’t know the specifics I’d be surprised if both aren’t up there with our highest earners. Moving them on, which I’d be pleased about, would require either a pay off or some other club to match what we are paying.

[PaulSmith]

They were two terrible signings under Heckingbottom and nothing has changed my mind since.
Giving these two extensions was utterly bizarre.

[BlackSheep]

After tonight I have to admit defeat in my hope for Doidge…. He was non existent and should’ve been hooked at half time.

Newell seems to explode into action when the fans gets rowdy, but again for me that’s too little too late… as talented as he is, he doesn’t show enough passion for me.

Hope we irons in the fire.

[NC1875]

Newell found his level on Sunday, Doidge was never been good enough. Empty the pair of them.

Said the same on Sunday and was called out for it. Joe Newell should be nowhere near our first team, enrages me watching him swan about fixing his hair when we’re being pumped off league one and championship teams.

[scoopyboy]

The two of them can go for me.

[Smartie]

I’m ready for a slaughtering here but I thought Newell was decent tonight. The centre of midfield wasn’t all that bad, Henderson was very good and Kenneh was the poorest one in there tonight.

Doidge was terrible. Again. I think it’s over for him.

Fullbacks were stinking first half and gave us very little in an attacking sense. The wider forwards huffed and puffed but created little.


I just have a hunch that a few things going our way might make us look like a very different side. Youan needs to hit the ground running and we could do with the Croatian LB doing likewise.

Even if those things happen we’re going to need more depth as that team we had out tonight (and the one we had out against Falkirk) won’t be picking up many points in the Premier League.

[keep the faith]

Piss off back to Middle-English, league 1 mediocrity you useless, slow, wage-thieves. We will never progress as a club relying on either. Good games against part timers once every 2 months isn't good enough anymore, not for £400 a season. Should have sent them on the bus with Hecky.

The wage thief post. In July. I'm off....

[Hibby Bairn]

The two of them can go for me.

100%. Just not good enough.

[NC1875]

The wage thief post. In July. I'm off....

He’s got a point

[SaulGoodman]

The two of them are part of the problem, they’ve had enough chances. A CM that doesn’t create and a striker that doesn’t score.

[cameronw-hfc]

I’m ready for a slaughtering here but I thought Newell was decent tonight. The centre of midfield wasn’t all that bad, Henderson was very good and Kenneh was the poorest one in there tonight.

Doidge was terrible. Again. I think it’s over for him.

Fullbacks were stinking first half and gave us very little in an attacking sense. The wider forwards huffed and puffed but created little.


I just have a hunch that a few things going our way might make us look like a very different side. Youan needs to hit the ground running and we could do with the Croatian LB doing likewise.

Even if those things happen we’re going to need more depth as that team we had out tonight (and the one we had out against Falkirk) won’t be picking up many points in the Premier League.

Newell was fine tonight, there were many worse than him, but it doesn't suit the agenda of most if this place. Unless Newell is 9/10 when we don't win, he's going to have a thread about him.

It's getting boring and predictable at this rate, there's a whole section of our support desperate for him to fail so they can be proven right in their weird little hatred of him.

Doidge was shocking, really poor, but Newell was one of the better one's first half and decent enough second half.

[Stuarty1875]

Newell isn’t the answer for us in midfield - constantly slows down our play, is ponderous on the ball and eventually nearly always takes the easy option to pass backwards.

[J-C]

How long do you stick with 2 players in the spine of the team that has been poor for well over a year, don't give me theh got us 3rd crap, we're nowhere near 3rd now and they are part of the main problem, the fact they both got extensions is a bloody joke.

[Hermit Crab]

Said the same on Sunday and was called out for it. Joe Newell should be nowhere near our first team, enrages me watching him swan about fixing his hair when we’re being pumped off league one and championship teams.

A certain poster will be along just now to tell us that we are talking rubbish and that Doidge is amazing and will soon be amongst the goals again.... The only thing he should be amongst is the list of free agents.

[NC1875]

Newell was fine tonight, there were many worse than him, but it doesn't suit the agenda of most if this place. Unless Newell is 9/10 when we don't win, he's going to have a thread about him.

It's getting boring and predictable at this rate, there's a whole section of our support desperate for him to fail so they can be proven right in their weird little hatred of him.

Doidge was shocking, really poor, but Newell was one of the better one's first half and decent enough second half.

That’s right, it was everyone else’s fault. Must’ve been the same last season when the midfield were terrible. Definitely nothing to do with Newell 👍🏼

[NC1875]

A certain poster will be along just now to tell us that we are talking rubbish and that Doidge is amazing and will soon be amongst the goals again.... The only thing he should be amongst is the list of free agents.

Yup, and tell us Newell is one of the best CM in the league at the same time
😂

[B.H.F.C]

Newell was fine tonight, there were many worse than him, but it doesn't suit the agenda of most if this place. Unless Newell is 9/10 when we don't win, he's going to have a thread about him.

It's getting boring and predictable at this rate, there's a whole section of our support desperate for him to fail so they can be proven right in their weird little hatred of him.

Doidge was shocking, really poor, but Newell was one of the better one's first half and decent enough second half.

Didn’t think it would be long until you were along to chuck in the old ‘folk are desperate for him to fail’ line.

What an absolute load of nonsense. We are constantly lacking in that area and he is a constant. Some of us (quite a lot of us IMO) just happen to think it’s a glaring weakness of ours and are sick of watching it. That’s the boring, predictable thing. And if we continue to see the same thing, the comments will be exactly the same.

[Hermit Crab]

Newell was fine tonight, there were many worse than him, but it doesn't suit the agenda of most if this place. Unless Newell is 9/10 when we don't win, he's going to have a thread about him.

It's getting boring and predictable at this rate, there's a whole section of our support desperate for him to fail so they can be proven right in their weird little hatred of him.

Doidge was shocking, really poor, but Newell was one of the better one's first half and decent enough second half.



Nah he wasn't, he slowed the game down to his pace every time he got the ball - pedestrian. All his passes go sideways or backwards.

[Musselbound]

I agree that Newell wasn't one of the worst tonight albeit no better than average. Doidge on the other hand, I'd actually forgotten he was playing by the time he was subbed. Bojang at least showed more effort to get around the pitch and looked like he might trouble the defence with his pace.

[BoomtownHibees]

Newell was fine tonight, there were many worse than him, but it doesn't suit the agenda of most if this place. Unless Newell is 9/10 when we don't win, he's going to have a thread about him.

It's getting boring and predictable at this rate, there's a whole section of our support desperate for him to fail so they can be proven right in their weird little hatred of him.

Doidge was shocking, really poor, but Newell was one of the better one's first half and decent enough second half.

Rubbish

[Hermit Crab]

Yup, and tell us Newell is one of the best CM in the league at the same time
😂



They're both that good not a single offer for either player has been received. I'd cut our losses and just pay them off. But Doidge won a penalty on Sunday though........:faf:

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

Learn what? Rocky is pish as well. We can all kid on being nice about him since the “why do the fans hate me” comment but he is garbage.

Behave, one of our best players recently


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[davym7062]

Newell was fine tonight, there were many worse than him, but it doesn't suit the agenda of most if this place. Unless Newell is 9/10 when we don't win, he's going to have a thread about him.

It's getting boring and predictable at this rate, there's a whole section of our support desperate for him to fail so they can be proven right in their weird little hatred of him.

Doidge was shocking, really poor, but Newell was one of the better one's first half and decent enough second half.

are ur eyes painted on> he was murder

[cameronw-hfc]

That’s right, it was everyone else’s fault. Must’ve been the same last season when the midfield were terrible. Definitely nothing to do with Newell ����


I've never claimed it's everyone else's fault, I also never said it's nothing to do with him. I said he wasn't the worst tonight, yet there's another thread absolutely slating him. He's a scapegoat, and our fans always need at least one.

Of course he was part of the problem last season, but the bigger problem was playing him, JDH and Campbell together. The midfield wasn't the issue tonight, it was the lack of literally anything from the front 3. I don't think he's perfect, he's inconsistent yes, but if you listened to some on here he's only had 2/3 suitable games from us.

I get the performance was bad, the vast majority of the team were, but it's becoming predictable that if we play crap and Newell isn't the best on the park, he shoulders most of the blame when Porto, Miller, Kenneh, Mcgeady, Doidge we're all shocking tonight.

[McD]

I’ve defended doidge recently but tonight he didn’t contribute anything. The style of play doesn’t suit him, with quick interchanging forwards, and I think injury and covid have done for him.

Newell is a man short. Never breaks into more than a jog, always wants multiple touches unless it’s a lazy wall pass back to the keeper, show pony who’s several levels below what he thinks he is.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

I've never claimed it's everyone else's fault, I also never said it's nothing to do with him. I said he wasn't the worst tonight, yet there's another thread absolutely slating him. He's a scapegoat, and our fans always need at least one.

He’s not a scapegoat he’s ****in garbage.


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[B.H.F.C]

I’ve defended doidge recently but tonight he didn’t contribute anything. The style of play doesn’t suit him, with quick interchanging forwards, and I think injury and covid have done for him.

Newell is a man short. Never breaks into more than a jog, always wants multiple touches unless it’s a lazy wall pass back to the keeper, show pony who’s several levels below what he thinks he is.

Said tonight, there is no way we can play with Doidge in that system.

He offers no threat in behind but he can’t drop in and take the ball in to feet. I thought he was a man short, should have been hooked at half time, and will continue to be a man short in that system. And irrespective of the system, he just doesn’t look capable of moving properly now.

[wookie70]

I’ve defended doidge recently but tonight he didn’t contribute anything. The style of play doesn’t suit him, with quick interchanging forwards, and I think injury and covid have done for him.

Newell is a man short. Never breaks into more than a jog, always wants multiple touches unless it’s a lazy wall pass back to the keeper, show pony who’s several levels below what he thinks he is.

Newell jogging would have raced past McGeady given the pace he played with tonight. I didn't think Newell was that bad tonight. Nowhere near as bad as Doidge, Kenneh, Miller or Porteous. For me we sat deeper than we did against Clyde. We were nowhere near as brave or hard working and we never really got any breaks. I've never been a Doidge fan, he was slow pre injury but he runs like Mixu giving Konte a piggy back now. I also don't see the work rate others do. I was a Newell fan but I am losing that feeling now. I think the deeper he plays the poorer he is and he showed against Bonnyrigg he could be useful as the attacking mid. So many players just don't look hungry and I doubt Ryan Porteous barking orders and pointing helps matters given he is falling asleep at regular intervals and looks les than interested for much of the game. LJ is also very quiet on the touchline. He was certainly giving the ref plenty stick but barring a few shouts of we need more width I didn't hear much from him.

The only good news is that it is early days and it could click with the other new signings and a few coming back from injury. That looks miles away at present

[Aldo]

Newell was fine tonight, there were many worse than him, but it doesn't suit the agenda of most if this place. Unless Newell is 9/10 when we don't win, he's going to have a thread about him.

It's getting boring and predictable at this rate, there's a whole section of our support desperate for him to fail so they can be proven right in their weird little hatred of him.

Doidge was shocking, really poor, but Newell was one of the better one's first half and decent enough second half.

I don’t want any Hibs player to fail however Newell lacks urgency and big time. There’s definitely a baller in there but most of the time he’s like a guy out playing with his mates in the park! He’s slower than a week in the jail!

Never seems to want to drive with the ball and plays quite a few ‘hospital passes’ as a result!

Doidge and Newell play through the spine of the team and as it stands they are way short of the quality we should be looking at.

The only issue now is they are both contracted until god knows when!

They need moved on and asap!


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[SteveHFC]

The two of them can go for me.

:agree:

[Ozyhibby]

Spot on. Newell is one of those who thinks he’s a player. More interested in how he looks than rolling his sleeves up and winning a midfield battle.

Imposter and has been all along

You have to be in midfield to win a midfield battle. Every time I look he’s not f’ing there.


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[Ozyhibby]

I’m ready for a slaughtering here but I thought Newell was decent tonight. The centre of midfield wasn’t all that bad, Henderson was very good and Kenneh was the poorest one in there tonight.

Doidge was terrible. Again. I think it’s over for him.

Fullbacks were stinking first half and gave us very little in an attacking sense. The wider forwards huffed and puffed but created little.


I just have a hunch that a few things going our way might make us look like a very different side. Youan needs to hit the ground running and we could do with the Croatian LB doing likewise.

Even if those things happen we’re going to need more depth as that team we had out tonight (and the one we had out against Falkirk) won’t be picking up many points in the Premier League.

Couldn’t disagree with that more. Kenneh has limitations for sure but off the ball, he is showing for it and giving the defenders options for a pass. He wins the ball and once he starts playing the simple pass quickly has the potential to make a decent number 6. Early days and I may reassess.
Newell is a cruel joke being played on us. He is possibly the worst number 8 I’ve ever seen in a Hibs jersey. Truly awful.


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[Libby Hibby]

Newell didn’t play 1st half v Clyde but since the second half of that game he has played pretty much every minute.

Everyone was excited with how we played 1st half v Clyde, since then the frustrations have came back.

Newell is the problem. He’s too slow, has no urgency, plays the easy pass. Can’t tackle, doesn’t break up play or intercept.

Get rid ASAP.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Awaiting Newell and Doidges fan club to tell us they are better than anything else we have so must stay

If they are the best at the club, what a terrible reflection on our squad. The pair of them were a waste of space again, but they weren't the only ones. The squad isn't good enough.

[Eaststand]

If they are the best at the club, what a terrible reflection on our squad. The pair of them were a waste of space again, but they weren't the only ones. The squad isn't good enough.

Both Doidge and Newell are not good enough for our club.
They have very occasional good games, but most of their performances are poor.

I can only assume they look good in training as several managers have picked them, but those managers are all gone and these 2 are a big part of the reason.

I'd move both of them on asap, hopefully there are clubs interested in swaps for them. I'd also add Josh Campbell to that list of players we have in our squad who offer very little and should be moved on.

GGTTH

[JammyDoidger]

Behave, one of our best players recently


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That doesn't mean he's good, it means it's worrying how bad the rest of the team are too. Rocky is mince man.

[SickBoy32]

Joe newell has never been good enough, 3 years after he arrived and I’m still at a loss as to what his strengths are, if we’re being very kind I guess it must be retaining possession?!

Guy just doesn’t have the desire or drive to be involved in a good Hibs midfield.

Scary to think he’s potentially here til 2025, for him to get a new 3.5year deal in the midst of some minging form under maloney - wow. Worst contract extension since zibi !

Doidge at least tries hard, but needs to play in a 2 I think to be anywhere close to effective. This squad is really missing Nisbet

[GreenCastle]

Newell didn’t play 1st half v Clyde but since the second half of that game he has played pretty much every minute.

Everyone was excited with how we played 1st half v Clyde, since then the frustrations have came back.

Newell is the problem. He’s too slow, has no urgency, plays the easy pass. Can’t tackle, doesn’t break up play or intercept.

Get rid ASAP.

I agree with you.

It was noticeable when he came on against Clyde we got worse.

In Portugal I’m sure we played and scored more when he wasn’t on the pitch.

Oddly even Maloneys 1st two games he won against Aberdeen and Dundee Utd and Newell didn’t play - we even played some good football.

Midfield needs sorted - 2 new players needed ASAP but Newell should be moved on.

[Nicho87]

These two plus

JDH
Campbell
Porteous

Tried and tested

I’d rather we cherry picked from other Scottish clubs or players that have played in the league before and wanted to come back up the road

This picking up newell and doidge types aren’t the answer.

[blackpoolhibs]

Joe Newell is great with the ball at his feet, if you want to keep the ball and pass it around between him and the defence.

What else does he do that creates opportunitys for others?

He is the main man in midfield, the player who makes the tempo that we play at, and it's been too slow for way too long, he is the bloody problem.

He was very good against Bonnyrigg though, but pish against proper players who've not come straight from doing a shift at their proper jobs.

I'm sick of watching this show pony strutt about doing bugger all, and as for Doidge, he's clearly not the player he was after his serious injury, and a centre forward who does not score goals, is no use to anyone.

This team as it stands will really struggle this season, even with Hanlon back it wont make a lot of difference, as there's no creativity, no real quality brought in that i can see yet, so i'm getting prepared for a long long season.

[Tambo]

Nah he wasn't, he slowed the game down to his pace every time he got the ball - pedestrian. All his passes go sideways or backwards.

Was a time in the second half where joe took 8 touches on the ball just to pass it a few yards sideways.

[keep the faith]

These two plus

JDH
Campbell
Porteous

Tried and tested

I’d rather we cherry picked from other Scottish clubs or players that have played in the league before and wanted to come back up the road

This picking up newell and doidge types aren’t the answer.

The cherry picking thing was exactly our club model and it paid off well. Allan, McGeough,McGinn, Shinnie, Kennedy (less so) etc.
All of a sudden we wanted to make "data signings" who have no experience of our league, culture and physicality. The most successful recent signings have been from our tried and tested model. Nisbet, Cadden. The most obvious hibs style signings over the last year or so have been ignored and went elsewhere. Barrie Mckay, GMS, Graham Shinnie, Omeonga etc.

To be honest, I do think there is lots of knee jerking here at the moment. Remember this time last year Ange was getting pelters for his style and signings. It just needed time to bed in and I'm afraid we are in exactly the same boat right now. We cant expect to be ready in a couple of weeks with a brand new team. Its not remotely realistic and we still have big players waiting on permits or returning from injury. Fingers crossed it works out, as I do like LJ. The signing policy - less so.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Joe Newell is great with the ball at his feet, if you want to keep the ball and pass it around between him and the defence.

What else does he do that creates opportunitys for others?

He is the main man in midfield, the player who makes the tempo that we play at, and it's been too slow for way too long, he is the bloody problem.

He was very good against Bonnyrigg though, but pish against proper players who've not come straight from doing a shift at their proper jobs.

I'm sick of watching this show pony strutt about doing bugger all, and as for Doidge, he's clearly not the player he was after his serious injury, and a centre forward who does not score goals, is no use to anyone.

This team as it stands will really struggle this season, even with Hanlon back it wont make a lot of difference, as there's no creativity, no real quality brought in that i can see yet, so i'm getting prepared for a long long season.

:agree:

[Onceinawhile]

Newell has an amazing ability to hide from the ball. Stands just a yard or two away from a marker so that he can't be passed to.

One good pass in 90 minutes tonight and everything else he did slowed the game down.

[WestStandWillie]

Absolutely rancid stuff from both.

Newell keeps making the same mistakes, the penalty he gave away was shocking. Schoolboy stuff.

I forgot Doidge was playing in all honesty.

Both will probably play well against Norwich and they'll be saviours again until we play St Johnstone and then it becomes broken record stuff.

Bin them both - wouldn't even look for money.

[The Modfather]

I've never claimed it's everyone else's fault, I also never said it's nothing to do with him. I said he wasn't the worst tonight, yet there's another thread absolutely slating him. He's a scapegoat, and our fans always need at least one.

Of course he was part of the problem last season, but the bigger problem was playing him, JDH and Campbell together. The midfield wasn't the issue tonight, it was the lack of literally anything from the front 3. I don't think he's perfect, he's inconsistent yes, but if you listened to some on here he's only had 2/3 suitable games from us.

I get the performance was bad, the vast majority of the team were, but it's becoming predictable that if we play crap and Newell isn't the best on the park, he shoulders most of the blame when Porto, Miller, Kenneh, Mcgeady, Doidge we're all shocking tonight.

I think Newell gets singled out a lot is because his position and area of the park is probably the most critical part of any team. You can get away with other areas being poor to a certain extent but rarely get away with a poor central midfield.

Far too often the best you can say about Newell is that he wasn’t the worst player in a poor performance. We’re talking about someone who will be amongst our top earners and who you rate as amongst the best midfielders in the league. If that’s the case then he should be held to higher standards than his less talented and more inexperienced teammates IMO.

I would try and swap him plus a small fee for Omeonga if possible. I’m not a particularly big fan of Omeonga, he’s fine, but his energy, drive & willingness to run would be an upgrade on Newell IMO and have a bigger impact on the team even though he’s not as good technically.

[Fergus52]

Newell was fine tonight, there were many worse than him, but it doesn't suit the agenda of most if this place. Unless Newell is 9/10 when we don't win, he's going to have a thread about him.

It's getting boring and predictable at this rate, there's a whole section of our support desperate for him to fail so they can be proven right in their weird little hatred of him.

Doidge was shocking, really poor, but Newell was one of the better one's first half and decent enough second half.

This. I'm genuinely so surprised at the pelters he's getting.

Him and Henderson were the only two that got pass marks for me.

Newall gave the ball away sloppily a couple of times right at the start but apart from that I thought he played well. He got involved with some nice attacking moves (Allan-eqsue reverse ball to put through Henderson, and the lovely first touch to bring it down and hit the bye-line with two players around him in the box), and was generally looking to play it forward and make late runs into the box way more than he ever was under Ross and Maloney.

Second half he played a bit more defensive but that was necessary being in a midfield four with Tavares, McGeady and Henderson.

We had far bigger issues than him last night - I thought the midfield was getting it into the front three quickly and effectively who would then do nothing with it - Melkerson and Doidge were anonymous and Mcgeady would just beat the same man three times while the rest of the Morton defence got back into position.

Then you had Miller and Kenneh who could barely control the ball and kept putting us under pressure with heavy touches.

Newall's performance was the last of our concerns last night imo.

[1875Sean]

This. I'm genuinely so surprised at the pelters he's getting.

Him and Henderson were the only two that got pass marks for me.

Newall gave the ball away sloppily a couple of times right at the start but apart from that I thought he played well. He got involved with some nice attacking moves (Allan-eqsue reverse ball to put through Henderson, and the lovely first touch to bring it down and hit the bye-line with two players around him in the box), and was generally looking to play it forward and make late runs into the box way more than he ever was under Ross and Maloney.

Second half he played a bit more defensive but that was necessary being in a midfield four with Tavares, McGeady and Henderson.

We had far bigger issues than him last night - I thought the midfield was getting it into the front three quickly and effectively who would then do nothing with it - Melkerson and Doidge were anonymous and Mcgeady would just beat the same man three times while the rest of the Morton defence got back into position.

Then you had Miller and Kenneh who could barely control the ball and kept putting us under pressure with heavy touches.

Newall's performance was the last of our concerns last night imo.

Agree about Newell however he seems to become the scapegoat whenever Hibs lose now, the whole team didn’t perform however other midfielders like Kenneh couldn’t find a Hibs player

[Hibiza]

Both out , proven to be simply not good enough , along with jdh and Campbell.

[Ozyhibby]

Agree about Newell however he seems to become the scapegoat whenever Hibs lose now, the whole team didn’t perform however other midfielders like Kenneh couldn’t find a Hibs player

A malfunctioning midfield often means that the rest of the team stops functioning as well. Fix midfield and I think some of these other areas of the team start to improve.


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[Hiber-nation]

Newell has an amazing ability to hide from the ball. Stands just a yard or two away from a marker so that he can't be passed to..

Against Falkirk he made it far too obvious. This is your midfield creator we're talking about. Hiding.

[JohnM1875]

The Morton physio is quicker than both them.

Definitely time for Doidge to move on and I'm almost done with Newell as well. Has a really really annoying habit of turning the wrong way then playing the ball backwards.