Elgin City sanction compared to Hearts sanction

[Spike Mandela]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62134898

Ayr utd awarded a 3-0 win by SPFL for Elgin playing a suspended player.

Remember a few years back Hearts fielded an ineligible player at the same stage and the SPFL came up with a fudge allowing them to only lose 2 points and this still qualify for next round. In fact, I think they got to the final that year.

What’s going on? Rule change or SPFL applying different rules for bigger clubs compared to smaller clubs….yet again..

[McGruber]

I know you are looking for this to be controversial because it's them but it's not. There's no mystery here. Hearts paid the SFA a bung from money they had raised through stolen poppies - standard practice.

That aside - the 2 point fudged penalty was as ridiculous as it was blatant. Hope Ayr make a point of it

[H18 SFR]

The different circumstance probably account for the differing sanctions to be fair.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t think anyone is in any doubt that hearts punishment was specifically designed to allow them to qualify.

[CentreLine]

I don’t think anyone is in any doubt that hearts punishment was specifically designed to allow them to qualify.

From memory I think hahahahahearts were due to play a lucrative televised game, as a group decider, that would have been a dead rubber had they been given the correct punishment. Result being that the SPFL fudged it and bent over for them. Again

[Libby Hibby]

Utter farce at the time.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Was the hearts incident not at the same time as Dunfermline and Dunfermline got shafted?

[JimBHibees]

The different circumstance probably account for the differing sanctions to be fair.

Were they not the same mistake? A suspended player taking part in a game they shouldn't have.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Were they not the same mistake? A suspended player taking part in a game they shouldn't have.

Was one not suspended and the other unregistered?

[H18 SFR]

Were they not the same mistake? A suspended player taking part in a game they shouldn't have.

Elgin player was suspended and the Hearts player was unregistered.

[007]

Was one not suspended and the other unregistered?

Yes, that is the difference, which will be used as justification for the different punishments however as far as I'm concerned they are both just a case of fielding ineligible players so should be the same punishment.

[McGruber]

Elgin player was suspended and the Hearts player was unregistered.

Different circumstance -same result, both players should not have been involved. Everyone knows the 2 point punishment was a nonesene and deliberate to leave them a chance to qualify

[H18 SFR]

Yes, that is the difference, which will be used as justification for the different punishments however as far as I'm concerned they are both just a case of fielding ineligible players so should be the same punishment.

For what it’s worth I agree with you 100% but crucially the detail in the competition rules is what allowed them to hand out different sanctions.

As much as it seems a farce it was perfectly aligned with the competition rules at that time.

[JimBHibees]

For what it’s worth I agree with you 100% but crucially the detail in the competition rules is what allowed them to hand out different sanctions.

As much as it seems a farce it was perfectly aligned with the competition rules at that time.

Did the rules at that time indicate an unregistered player would get 2 points punishment genuinely can't remember? Though do remember it didn't seem clear cut at the time. Bizarrely Inverness seemed least put out despite the fact it knocked them out the tournament. Suppose Robbo in charge might have been a factor

[H18 SFR]

Did the rules at that time indicate an unregistered player would get 2 points punishment genuinely can't remember? Though do remember it didn't seem clear cut at the time. Bizarrely Inverness seemed least put out despite the fact it knocked them out the tournament. Suppose Robbo in charge might have been a factor

The sanction of a 3-0 loss was in the competition rules for a suspended player, it wasn’t for the unregistered offence.

[JimBHibees]

The sanction of a 3-0 loss was in the competition rules for a suspended player, it wasn’t for the unregistered offence.

Ok cheers

[Hibees1973]

I know you are looking for this to be controversial because it's them but it's not. There's no mystery here. Hearts paid the SFA a bung from money they had raised through stolen poppies - standard practice.

That aside - the 2 point fudged penalty was as ridiculous as it was blatant. Hope Ayr make a point of it

I also remember when the SPFL bent over backwards and allowed the Yams to play at Murrayfield week after week until their Main Stand was built to a compliant standard. They kept requesting to play at Murrayfield months after their stand was due to be finished. Tbh, is it still no finished yet? They pocketed extra cash from inflated gates, due to a higher capacity against the likes of Rangers & Aberdeen when they could sell more away tickets.

I'm always astonished when I speak to my Yam mates and they paint themselves as victims.

[Rumble de Thump]

If I had been brought up as a Hearts fan I would feel like I'd been victimised.

[Spike Mandela]

As if by magic Hibs manage to make this thread even more relevant. We will undoubtedly get the same sanction as Elgin now making the fudged 2 point deduction that Hearts got even more of a strange outlier.

Let’s be honest. Forces inside ths SPFL facilitated the fudge factor to allow Hearts to still qualify. It was a scandal.

[SaulGoodman]

Oh how the tables have turned

[Liberal Hibby]

As if by magic Hibs manage to make this thread even more relevant. We will undoubtedly get the same sanction as Elgin now making the fudged 2 point deduction that Hearts got even more of a strange outlier.

Let’s be honest. Forces inside ths SPFL facilitated the fudge factor to allow Hearts to still qualify. It was a scandal.

Well if the SPFL are to treat Hibs consistently they'll have to award us a 3-0 win...

[Turkish Green]

Was one not suspended and the other unregistered?

Correct. I recognise it is the yams, and as such conspiracy theory abounds, but it is apples & pears. Elgin (and Hibs) played a suspended player while Hearts played an unregistered player (a not fully registered Andy Irving against Cove in LC)

Nothing going right for Rocky at moment.