Newell

[at last 61]

Firstly I don't like slating a player, well not since Colin nish, but have been on here before slating newell but all I got was newell great etc, personally I don't think he is a good player never mind a great player, he plays well in every 6 to 8 games, maybe now after that showing against Falkirk I may get other supporters realising that he is bang average

[easty]

He'll be a regular starter under Johnson. Rightly so, in my opinion.

[Moulin Yarns]

Firstly I don't like slating a player, well not since Colin nish, but have been on here before slating newell but all I got was newell great etc, personally I don't think he is a good player never mind a great player, he plays well in every 6 to 8 games, maybe now after that showing against Falkirk I may get other supporters realising that he is bang average

If you don't like slating a player don't do it. Simples!

[Forza Fred]

I think Newell can be a cultured footballer at times but I think the chances of him scoring are close to zero.

We need a midfield that can regularly chip in with a goal…..and I can’t see that being the case with our current midfield.

[Hibernian Verse]

If there was one thing this site was lacking it was a thread slating Joe Newell. Not seen that recently.

[MWHIBBIES]

He's still our best, most proven midfield at this level, so will still play.


Personally think he's good. Most folk who don't rate him have never got over his bad start here.

[hibby rae]

If there was one thing this site was lacking it was a thread slating Joe Newell. Not seen that recently.

So we have a Newell thread, a JDH thread, a Newell and Campbell thread, a Newell and JDH and Campbell thread. Are we covering different ground on these?


If so, we still need a JDH and Campbell thread and a Campbell thread to complete the set.

[Hibernian Verse]

So we have a Newell thread, a JDH thread, a Newell and Campbell thread, a Newell and JDH and Campbell thread. Are we covering different ground on these?


If so, we still need a JDH and Campbell thread and a Campbell thread to complete the set.

We could just start one called "The Midfield" so none of the three feel left out.

[ddoc]

The problem with Newell, IMO, is that he consistently under achieves.
He is supposed to be one of the key players available in our midfield but you have no idea from one game to another if he is going to put in a performance that will get a pass mark.
As for being a goal threat, I think that one has been well put to bed.
I suppose the bottom line is we need better.

[Since452]

I hope he's got his poor display out his system. The onus is on him. Shape up or he'll be shipped out. I don't think Lee Johnson will muck about. FWIW i rate the guy.

[superfurryhibby]

He's still our best, most proven midfield at this level, so will still play.


Personally think he's good. Most folk who don't rate him have never got over his bad start here.

Right, nothing to do with him being particularly gash for most/all of last season then.

I think he's symptomatic of why our midfield has failed. No forward momentum, can't score a goal, prone to rash decision making when it's least required. All he's really proven is that he's extremely one footed, one paced and lacks the ability to be a regular starter in a Hibs side that aspire to more than routine mediocrity.

[easty]

Right, nothing to do with him being particularly gash for most/all of last season then.

I think he's symptomatic of why our midfield has failed. No forward momentum, can't score a goal, prone to rash decision making when it's least required. All he's really proven is that he's extremely one footed, one paced and lacks the ability to be a regular starter in a Hibs side that aspire to more than routine mediocrity.

He started the season before last when we comfortably finished 3rd.

[Paulie Walnuts]

He's still our best, most proven midfield at this level, so will still play.


Personally think he's good. Most folk who don't rate him have never got over his bad start here.

That’s really just an insult to anyone that doesn’t hold the same opinion as you.

He was really poor last season imo without even considering his poor start here. I also don’t think he was anything better than decent in our season finishing third.

He doesn’t offer nearly enough for being our experienced head in the midfield imo.

[blackpoolhibs]

He started the season before last when we comfortably finished 3rd.
As did Gogic, and many others not deemed good enough now.

[hibby rae]

We could just start one called "The Midfield" so none of the three feel left out.

Wow, I can feel the hate flowing through me just thinking about it hahaha

[BoomtownHibees]

Wouldn’t be in my first choice midfield

Nothing to do with how he started his Hibs career

[Brightside]

Firstly I don't like slating a player, well not since Colin nish, but have been on here before slating newell but all I got was newell great etc, personally I don't think he is a good player never mind a great player, he plays well in every 6 to 8 games, maybe now after that showing against Falkirk I may get other supporters realising that he is bang average

There is a thread about 4 below this. Its really poor that we keep creating threads singling out individual players.

[Brightside]

So we have a Newell thread, a JDH thread, a Newell and Campbell thread, a Newell and JDH and Campbell thread. Are we covering different ground on these?


If so, we still need a JDH and Campbell thread and a Campbell thread to complete the set.

Exactly. Its more like a school playground every week.

[brydekirk]

The problem is, he's not constantly good or bad.

[truehibernian]

Decent footballer, lacks drive and purpose in his play, and has been allowed by all the previous managers to fall into a comfort zone. New manager needs less of the “cuddle” approach and more of the “rocket up backside” approach with Joe - or he needs sold if he doesn’t.

Playing well within himself in my humble opinion.

[MrRobot]

He's still our best, most proven midfield at this level, so will still play.


Personally think he's good. Most folk who don't rate him have never got over his bad start here.

:agree:

absolutely good enough for us, but the midfield trio that started against Falkirk should not play together.

[superfurryhibby]

As did Gogic, and many others not deemed good enough now.

Yep, Newell now falls into that category. My patience ran out with him after his pathetic contribution to our semi final defeat v Hearts. We need better.

[jacomo]

:agree:

absolutely good enough for us, but the midfield trio that started against Falkirk should not play together.


There’s a contradiction there. If he’s good enough he should be able to play alongside those two.

He does show quality at times but you’d expect someone like him to absolutely boss an encounter against league one opposition. He’s capable of match-winning performances but we seem to see them so infrequently.

[JimBHibees]

If you don't like slating a player don't do it. Simples!

I don't like slating a player but ........ :greengrin

[keep the faith]

Give it a rest!!!

BTW, the problem is all three are similar style of players and we only need one. That one should be Joe Newell.

[Tambo]

Be a decent player on the bench for me.

[Hector Mudflap]

I have never taken to him at all- it's the almost stick on certainty that he will miss the open goal when presented to him. Thats what I don't like. He doesn't score anywhere near enough and often its a glaring miss. It's all about opinions eh. I couldn't stand Nish when he payed and for me Doidge is the same - his triple against Clyde when viewed without the rose coloured glasses was one off his chest , a toe poke after a squaffed shot and one good finish. On another thread someone said he was our best finisher and could still get a call up . Unless he's a great singer he's not getting anywhere near the pitch for a Welsh game. The thing that has annoyed me the most of all lately was letting the 18s star man Connor Young (25 goals - thats goals in the net) leave and while we are watching Christian Doidge career around the pitch. You don't win games 0-0. Newell needs dropped as do a few more. IMHO- and thats all it is- everyone is entitled to one right or wrong.
We all want the best for the club and when things are going well this board can be a hoot. Right now its a reflection of what the fans are feeling and the teams performance.

we're potal tish.

[Tambo]

He's still our best, most proven midfield at this level, so will still play.


Personally think he's good. Most folk who don't rate him have never got over his bad start here.

I think it's more the fact he's not as good as some people think he is. On his day etc he can be a useful player for Hibs it's just unfortunately it's like 1 game every 10 he plays.

No doubt I'm wrong and Joe Newell is the best midfielder at the club since John Collins.

[The Modfather]

Generally, I don’t think he influences a game. Whether we win a game or lose a game, if you removed Newell we’d largely still get the same outcome IMO.

He’s not an attacking or creative midfielder, he’s not an energetic midfielder that will drive you up the park. He’s probably closest to a defensive midfielder. I think you either have to play him as your deepest midfielder or not at all as he can’t play ahead of a defensive midfielder. I don’t think he can dictate a game other than to slow us down. He’s less than the sum of his parts and whenever he plays he makes the team less than the sum of its parts as well IMO.

[Zambernardi1875]

He’d only be first pick if Calvin Klein did it’s next advert with beach soccer players who want to be on love island

[Cat Stanton]

We could just start one called "The Midfield" so none of the three feel left out.

someone has now done that for you...:

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?358274-Midfield

[Shrekko]

The problem is, he's not constantly good or bad.

He's enigmatic and when he has very good games people think he should play like that every week which isn't realistic. Even when not at his best he's nowhere near as bad as some people make out. If you asked any fan of another club what they thought I bet they'd say he's decent.

[SChibs]

I have never taken to him at all- it's the almost stick on certainty that he will miss the open goal when presented to him. Thats what I don't like. He doesn't score anywhere near enough and often its a glaring miss. It's all about opinions eh. I couldn't stand Nish when he payed and for me Doidge is the same - his triple against Clyde when viewed without the rose coloured glasses was one off his chest , a toe poke after a squaffed shot and one good finish. On another thread someone said he was our best finisher and could still get a call up . Unless he's a great singer he's not getting anywhere near the pitch for a Welsh game. The thing that has annoyed me the most of all lately was letting the 18s star man Connor Young (25 goals - thats goals in the net) leave and while we are watching Christian Doidge career around the pitch. You don't win games 0-0. Newell needs dropped as do a few more. IMHO- and thats all it is- everyone is entitled to one right or wrong.
We all want the best for the club and when things are going well this board can be a hoot. Right now its a reflection of what the fans are feeling and the teams performance.

we're potal tish.

I think you're being harsh on doidge regarding his goals last week. I think the first was actually a good finish as the cross took a big deflection and he thought quickly enough to get the ball in the net any means how. Other players may have took a swing and miss or not been able to adjust their body enough after the deflection.

[Moulin Yarns]

I have never taken to him at all- it's the almost stick on certainty that he will miss the open goal when presented to him. Thats what I don't like. He doesn't score anywhere near enough and often its a glaring miss. It's all about opinions eh. I couldn't stand Nish when he payed and for me Doidge is the same - his triple against Clyde when viewed without the rose coloured glasses was one off his chest , a toe poke after a squaffed shot and one good finish. On another thread someone said he was our best finisher and could still get a call up . Unless he's a great singer he's not getting anywhere near the pitch for a Welsh game. The thing that has annoyed me the most of all lately was letting the 18s star man Connor Young (25 goals - thats goals in the net) leave and while we are watching Christian Doidge career around the pitch. You don't win games 0-0. Newell needs dropped as do a few more. IMHO- and thats all it is- everyone is entitled to one right or wrong.
We all want the best for the club and when things are going well this board can be a hoot. Right now its a reflection of what the fans are feeling and the teams performance.

we're potal tish.

On Doidge, the penalty box poachers like Ally Mccoist and John Robertson no longer exists. A striker needs to be a lot more than that nowadays. Doidge scored 3 goals, 2 imperfect but then if it comes off his boobs, belly or bum it doesn't matter so long as its a goal.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think you're being harsh on doidge regarding his goals last week. I think the first was actually a good finish as the cross took a big deflection and he thought quickly enough to get the ball in the net any means how. Other players may have took a swing and miss or not been able to adjust their body enough after the deflection.

With regards to your last point, I actually was thinking that the other day. However i thought that if he played for another team he’d be one of these guys I’d never heard of and knew nothing about.

I don’t pay attention to a lot of players from other teams unless they do something to stand out. I fully expect if Newell played the way he plays for us with him mainly playing safe passes backwards or sideways for anyone else in our league that I’d have never noticed him good or bad.

[BSEJVT]

Newell is a difficult one for me.

He is a neat and tidy footballer and for me there's no question about his attitude or effort, but I always feel that there should be more.

Whether that's my looking at what his attributes are and misjudging the effect they should be able to exert over a game or him playing well within himself I can't make up my mind.

There's no doubt the midfield are too similar and maybe if all he did was sit in front of the defence, break up play and play simple balls to retain possession and was the only one doing it that would be grand.

But he's not and we need players in that area to create more, score more, support the forwards and get beyond them and bring other players into the game more.

The current midfield doesn't do that, so IMO as fans we are left taking our potshots at our least favourite individual of them.

For all his attributes IMO Newell cannot do any of those things and I am not sure if JDH or Campbell can either or can be coached into doing so.

The advantage they have over Newell though is time and personally I wouldn't be unhappy to see Newell moved on.

That's not me criticising him or wanting him forced out the door, its not his fault his skill set doesnt stretch to those areas and what he does he does well, but we cannot continue as we are and if he is the one that needs sacrificed, so be it.

[Hibernian Verse]

someone has now done that for you...:

https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?358274-Midfield

Jesus Christ.

[hibby rae]

Jesus Christ.

You had to suggest it eh :wink:

[MWHIBBIES]

I think it's more the fact he's not as good as some people think he is. On his day etc he can be a useful player for Hibs it's just unfortunately it's like 1 game every 10 he plays.

No doubt I'm wrong and Joe Newell is the best midfielder at the club since John Collins.

No, I never said he was exceptional. But he's good enough for Hibs.

[HendoDelivered]

With 2 other better midfielders playing alongside him, we see a better Joe Newell. JDH and Campbell are not it.

[MrRobot]

There’s a contradiction there. If he’s good enough he should be able to play alongside those two.

He does show quality at times but you’d expect someone like him to absolutely boss an encounter against league one opposition. He’s capable of match-winning performances but we seem to see them so infrequently.

In no way is it a contradiction. Newell is easily good enough for our level, but when played in a combination of players similar to him or poorer, our midfield becomes weak.

Newell plus others will be perfectly fine in midfield.

[The Modfather]

In no way is it a contradiction. Newell is easily good enough for our level, but when played in a combination of players similar to him or poorer, our midfield becomes weak.

Newell plus others will be perfectly fine in midfield.

Could JDH, and to a lesser extent Campbell, not also make the case that if you put two good players beside them that mitigate their flaws they would also be fine in midfield?

Newell isn’t a bad player, but he’s like Mallan IMO. In that he has so many flaws in his game you have to build the midfield around him to mitigate them, but like Mallan he isn’t good enough to build a midfield around IMO.

[at last 61]

Personally I think newell is like mallan who when he was good he was a really good player and at least he had a great free kick in him, still think we need to sign 2 midfielders one creative and one a gogic type but obviously better

[Viva_Palmeiras]

If you don't like slating a player don't do it. Simples!

It does seem quite a peculiar kinda case

[loanheadhibby]

He'll be a regular starter under Johnson. Rightly so, in my opinion.
Jeez what do you seen in him.
Offers nothing most weeks so do you feel he'll be up for it more this season?
If you think he's rightly in our midfield we're in for a tough season.

[MWHIBBIES]

Jeez what do you seen in him.
Offers nothing most weeks so do you feel he'll be up for it more this season?
If you think he's rightly in our midfield we're in for a tough season.

He is absolutely rightly in our midfield because we do not have better midfielders. His average performance is about the same as JDH and better than Campbell. His best is the best of our midfielders.

[loanheadhibby]

He is absolutely rightly in our midfield because we do not have better midfielders. His average performance is about the same as JDH and better than Campbell. His best is the best of our midfielders.

I agree but you are comparing poor with very poor and in Campbell's case very very poor.
If we are to progress from last season none of Newell, JDH and Campbell should be first choice.
If any are we're going to struggle big time.

[GreenCastle]

Personally I think newell is like mallan who when he was good he was a really good player and at least he had a great free kick in him, still think we need to sign 2 midfielders one creative and one a gogic type but obviously better

Thing with Mallan was he could always strike a ball and be a threat from distance.

Newell doesn’t really do anything except float about and slow the game down.

I don’t think I’ve ever come away and said Newell man of the match and dominated that game. To be fair none of the midfield recently ever seem to boss the game. We need someone who will take control and be a main player in our team and every so often be man of the match.

I’m still not even convinced he’s a central midfielder - he used to play wide but he has limited pace.

For me he’s a fine for being a squad player but oddly we seem to play better when he doesn’t play. I’m sure this was Maloney’s first couple games also!!

[Eyrie]

I've said before that Newell is a good enough player to be part of a good midfield, but not a good enough player to make a midfield good.

I was disappointed in how he played on Tuesday as he was guilty of slowing the play down and taking too many touches, which is at odds with how Johnson has said he wants us to play.

[MWHIBBIES]

I agree but you are comparing poor with very poor and in Campbell's case very very poor.
If we are to progress from last season none of Newell, JDH and Campbell should be first choice.
If any are we're going to struggle big time.

We will not struggle with a midfield of Kenneh, Newell and Magennis. We'd be top 4 I think.

Newell finished 3rd playing every week so the idea that we automatically struggle if hes playing is false.

[Springbank]

He'll be a regular starter under Johnson. Rightly so, in my opinion.

We've played 3 halves of football
1 without Joe scoring 5 goals
3 with Joe scoring nada

[B.H.F.C]

We will not struggle with a midfield of Kenneh, Newell and Magennis. We'd be top 4 I think.

Newell finished 3rd playing every week so the idea that we automatically struggle if hes playing is false.

We know nothing about Kenneh really. Newell has had one decent season out of three. And who knows when we’ll see Magennis.

[keep the faith]

He’d only be first pick if Calvin Klein did it’s next advert with beach soccer players who want to be on love island

This kind of ultra negative nonsense having personal pops at our players is exactly why things are so toxic in our fanbase right now.
This kind of stuff used to be unique to Facebook comments on on official posts and fans transfer pages. Now you read posts like this on here.
I wonder if anyone thinks stuff like this is remotely cool or helpful?

[DetroitHibs]

He's out new Brian Hamilton.

[Zambernardi1875]

This kind of ultra negative nonsense having personal pops at our players is exactly why things are so toxic in our fanbase right now.
This kind of stuff used to be unique to Facebook comments on on official posts and fans transfer pages. Now you read posts like this on here.
I wonder if anyone thinks stuff like this is remotely cool or helpful?

I find you’re post double ultra negative. What a ****in fruitcake

[gaz1875]

He's still our best, most proven midfield at this level, so will still play.


Personally think he's good. Most folk who don't rate him have never got over his bad start here.


He's worse than average nothing to do with a bad start.

[ekhibee]

I agree but you are comparing poor with very poor and in Campbell's case very very poor.
If we are to progress from last season none of Newell, JDH and Campbell should be first choice.
If any are we're going to struggle big time.

Totally agree.

[MrRobot]

Could JDH, and to a lesser extent Campbell, not also make the case that if you put two good players beside them that mitigate their flaws they would also be fine in midfield?

Newell isn’t a bad player, but he’s like Mallan IMO. In that he has so many flaws in his game you have to build the midfield around him to mitigate them, but like Mallan he isn’t good enough to build a midfield around IMO.

Yeah i think Jdh could tbh. Campbell for me isn’t at the level needed for hibs right now and should go out on loan. I think Newell is the best of the 3.

and it’s not even about having better players, it’s just about having the right players to make the midfield balance a bit better.

[keep the faith]

I find you’re post double ultra negative. What a ****in fruitcake

Great Post...

[Zambernardi1875]

Great Post...

Bore off Karen.