Dabrowski

[WestStandWillie]

I’d get him a loan to the Championship sorted asap.

Marshall will be first choice, our young keepers will get the dev games so it leaves Dabrowski down a hole. He’s a top talent who’ll end up wasted if his career stalls.

A few years till he hits his peak so let him get a consistent run of games at someone like Ayr or Queens Park and be ready to step up when Marshall hangs the gloves up

[Nicho87]

Last night showed why he is still a number 2 for now.

[Hibernian Verse]

Last night showed why he is still a number 2 for now.

Until we sign a number two capable of using the round thing they kick about.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Nowhere near good enough to be starting games for us and I doubt he ever will be if I’m honest.

His technique is unorthodox to say the least, a lot of what he does just looks incredibly awkward.

I’d much rather see us sign a journeyman back up goalie and get him out on loan.

[WestStandWillie]

Last night showed why he is still a number 2 for now.

Surely the best thing then is for him to go out on loan then? Playing 36 games a season should be a good learning curve for him than sitting on the bench twiddling his thumbs.

Sure he got praise for his performances at Dumbarton whilst there a couple of seasons ago

[dp00]

I thought he looked good when he played last season however he looked like a rabbit caught in headlights last night

Every time the ball was at his feet it had me worried


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[Bridge hibs]

Surely the best thing then is for him to go out on loan then? Playing 36 games a season should be a good learning curve for him than sitting on the bench twiddling his thumbs.

Sure he got praise for his performances at Dumbarton whilst there a couple of seasons agoSo who do we put on the bench and to come on if Marshall gets injured, a youngster with lesser experience ? I would imagine signing another keeper will be well down Johnsons shopping list and rightly so

[mayo hibee]

He's 24 now, not exactly a kid. I think it's time to call it with Kevin and let him find another club. I don't see the point in sending him on loan, there's too much that needs to be fixed with his game, if it hasn't happened by now for him at Hibs it's probably not going to.

[Phil MaGlass]

headless chicken last nite, mind you with Rocky in defence what do you expect?

[SlickShoes]

headless chicken last nite, mind you with Rocky in defence what do you expect?

You could just flip that around, I don't think much of what Rocky done other than the header back in the first half was that bad, the main confusion from the bad situations came from the goalie last night. With Marshall in goals none of those things even happen.

[Smartie]

I thought he looked good when he played last season however he looked like a rabbit caught in headlights last night

Every time the ball was at his feet it had me worried


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Exactly how I saw it.

I actually thought he did very well for us last season and thought he had a decent shout to be selected ahead of Macey.

Last night he was incredibly jittery and I thought it affected other players. The centre halves in the first half were woeful and the GK and the pair of them looked like they'd never met each other before. Disjointed wouldn't get close to describing it.

The spine of the team was pitiful first half last night - GK, centre halves, centre midfield, striker.

[MWHIBBIES]

headless chicken last nite, mind you with Rocky in defence what do you expect?

Rocky certainly the better of the 2 CBS that started

[dp00]

Rocky certainly the better of the 2 CBS that started

Rocky seems to be the new scape goat in the hibs team, he wasn’t great last night but he was no where near the worst and he never hid, in the second half he drove us forward a good few times, not his fault no one was moving in front of him


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[Pretty Boy]

He's 24 now and has been on loan 3 times. A trip to the Championship isn't what we need from him, I'll go further and say if he goes out on loan this year then his Hibs career is finished. He needs to be pushing for the number 1 shirt now. If he isn't ready for that then he is never going to be.

There is still the myth that mid 20s is 'young for a keeper'. It's nonsense. Of course keepers can keep going longer but the best keepers are starting games in their teens now. The obvious ones are the likes of Neuer, De Gea, Oblak, Donnaruma etc who all had dozens of 1st team games in their teens. Even in Scotland the 3 stand out keepers of their generation follow that trend. David Marshall was in the Celtic 1st team at 19 and number 1 at Norwich by 22, Craig Gordon was Hearts number 1 by 21 and had played 1st team games before that and Allan McGregor made his Rangers debut at 20, was number 1 for St Johnstone and Dunfermilne at 22 and 23 and Rangers number 1 by 24.

We can't keep babying players. Of course youngsters should always get that wee bit more leeway in their formative years but there comes a point where you have to be ruthless. If Dabrowski isn't ready to challenge for the gloves by now then it's time to take the tough decisions.

I commented several times on Saturday that the ability of Marshall to knock the ball about accurately 1st time or after 1 quick touch made a huge difference to how we played. It allowed us to start moving the ball before the opposition were set. That comfort on the ball inspires confidence as well. Last night we were back to the hesitant nervy touches and misplaced kicks we all know from last season and it showed. The defence was nervy and we were constantly facing a regrouped, well drilled opposition that were given ample time to set their shape up after losing possession.

I like Kevin, he's a hell of a nice guy and a brilliant shot stopper. Being a good shot stopper is the absolute minimum you should expect from a pro keeper though (it should really be a given and it's almost dammed with faint praise when it's used to distract from other issues). However he needs to improve with the ball at his feet, otherwise he'll find himself in the Championship or lower permanently.

[Allant1981]

headless chicken last nite, mind you with Rocky in defence what do you expect?

A couple of dodgy headers during the game was all he really done wrong, easy target now though

[Shrekko]

He looks a cracking shot stopper but doesn't seem to know how to deal with crosses (stands on his line and occasionally has a weak flap) and has had a lot of bad moments with the ball at his feet. Just doesn't look like the type to create a good air of calm at the back.

We should always aim to have a top class keeper - we've seen what it's meant for Hearts.

[Gaffer1875]

Rocky certainly the better of the 2 CBS that started

I disagree, whilst the young boy wasn’t great I thought Rocky was poor.

I want to like Dabrowski but he just isn’t good enough for us IMO.


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[Stuart93]

Rocky certainly the better of the 2 CBS that started

Agree with that. Out with his mistake I thought he played quite well

[Since452]

Dabrowski wasn't comanding last night and the defence, including Porteous seemed nervous. Marshall should be starting every game.

[MWHIBBIES]

I disagree, whilst the young boy wasn’t great I thought Rocky was poor.

I want to like Dabrowski but he just isn’t good enough for us IMO.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkNa, Rocky was solid yesterday, and probably verging on good 2nd half.

[04Sauzee]

Na, Rocky was solid yesterday, and probably verging on good 2nd half.

Agree with you, looked very solid and had a good 2nd half

[JimBHibees]

Na, Rocky was solid yesterday, and probably verging on good 2nd half.

Good really. Nervous as a kitten in the first half and was better in second half if you exclude the calamity offside goal. Had way more time second half because Falkirk were sitting in. Nowhere near good imo.

[MWHIBBIES]

Good really. Nervous as a kitten in the first half and was better in second half if you exclude the calamity offside goal. Had way more time second half because Falkirk were sitting in. Nowhere near good imo.

Were Falkirk sitting in or was better play from Hibs forcing them back?

I'd be nervous if I was Rocky surrounded by those guys as well. Really don't think he was much to blame for yesterday. Far from our worse, infact, not even close.

[Willis1875]

Dabrowski wasn't comanding last night and the defence, including Porteous seemed nervous. Marshall should be starting every game.

Especially when he is quite clearly our number 1 and needs to play in competitive games,something he’s only done once since mid March

[Callum_62]

Jack Ross was right.

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[Mikey_1875]

Got in a mix up with McClelland and didn’t seem to recover at all after that. Quite a bizarre performance from him as he looked reasonably competent back up in the games last season.

Hopefully he bounces back but as others have said Marshall needs to be in goals and part of an established defence from now on.

[Jim44]

With a dodgy defence and an inept midfield, I’m not surprised that Dabrowski was nervous.

[J-C]

I don't think playing Kevin with 2 pretty inexperienced CB's helped one bit, communication was all over the place, I did notice though that his distribution is very good and looks comfortable with the ball at his feet.

[HoboHarry]

So can someone summarise and tell me how many of our players are s***e/Championship level/need to **** off and not come back (delete as appropriate). I can't keep up and don't know who to boo.....

[Libby Hibby]

Not good enough…get rid

[Lago]

:aok:
Na, Rocky was solid yesterday, and probably verging on good 2nd half.

[blackpoolhibs]

With a dodgy defence and an inept midfield, I’m not surprised that Dabrowski was nervous.


I don't think playing Kevin with 2 pretty inexperienced CB's helped one bit, communication was all over the place, I did notice though that his distribution is very good and looks comfortable with the ball at his feet.

Exactly, neither centre halves were good in that first half, dithering on the ball and so so slow distributing the ball.

Of course the midfield didnt help hiding, but FFS are people really saying that performance constitutes a decent performance from either of those who started yesterday?:rolleyes:

[itslegaltender]

Dont think Dabrowski will be any better than a back up for us. Even last season his performances showed he had an erratic style to his game that we cant afford any keeper to have.

[BILLYHIBS]

Na, Rocky was solid yesterday, and probably verging on good 2nd half.

What about the comedy moment in the second half when Dabrowski dived out of the way and Rocky played the ball towards our open goal that was later deemed to be offside

Did not bode well

Amatuer hour !

[MrRobot]

What about the comedy moment in the second half when Dabrowski dived out of the way and Rocky played the ball towards our open goal that was later deemed to be offside

Did not bode well

Amatuer hour !

So is it one mistake and it undoes everything he does well?

Rocky doesn’t stand a chance, too many can’t wait to stick the boot in even when he is doing things right. The amount of pressure that is on him already is stupid.

[BILLYHIBS]

So is it one mistake and it undoes everything he does well?

Rocky doesn’t stand a chance, too many can’t wait to stick the boot in even when he is doing things right. The amount of pressure that is on him already is stupid.
Simply pointing out an obvious lack of communication between goalkeeper and defender

You never play the ball across an unguarded goal you would always boot it out the park or to safety

No agenda against Rocky at all just a response to a poster who thought he had a good game despite his almost cardinal catastrophic error

My own opinion is that neither Rocky or Dabrowski are good enough

So there we are

[MWHIBBIES]

Simply pointing out an obvious lack of communication between goalkeeper and defender

You never play the ball across an unguarded goal you would always boot it out the park or to safety

No agenda against Rocky at all just a response to a poster who thought he had a good game despite his almost cardinal catastrophic error

My own opinion is that neither Rocky or Dabrowski are good enough

So there we are

Yes, he did have a good game despite that.

[BILLYHIBS]

Yes, he did have a good game despite that.

Good second half driving forward when Falkirk surrendered acres of space to us still with the tendency to over hit or under hit the ball

Just pass the ball already

[brianmc]

Not good enough…get rid

The epitome of online message boards right there folks..

[MWHIBBIES]

Good second half driving forward when Falkirk surrendered acres of space to us still with the tendency to over hit or under hit the ball

Just pass the ball already

He passed it quickly when there was an actual option for hi

[BILLYHIBS]

He passed it quickly when there was an actual option for hi

Too fast too soft or out of play

Please note at no time have I used the word ‘ Bombscare’ :greengrin

Not a starter for me but we seem to be stuck with him and hopefully he can go on a run of good form kick on and push his way into the team

Not a hater of the guy by any means seems like a decent bloke

Looking back on Tuesday overall he wasn’t great - no one was

[Forza Fred]

The epitome of online message boards right there folks..

Yep.

When Macey was here he copped a lot and people were demanding Dabrowski be given the starting spot.

Well they got what they wished for.

[McGruber]

I disagree, whilst the young boy wasn’t great I thought Rocky was poor.

I want to like Dabrowski but he just isn’t good enough for us IMO.


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I think both centre backs and keeper had a few dodgy moments in the game. McLelland was at fault for the goal, ball watching.
Rocky was the more prominent of the 2 bringing us forward and picking passes wide second half.
Individually, the 3 of them have shown they have ability however playing them together for the first time was a poor decision from Johnson.
Also, the midfield was worse

[Stokesy's on fire]

Dabrowski can only improve if given more first team game time. A loan spell at a Championship club would he ideal for his development.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Dabrowski can only improve if given more first team game time. A loan spell at a Championship club would he ideal for his development.

Pretty much where I am.

I know others have said he’s been in the Championship before so it wont do him any good but neither will sitting on the bench.

There’s a lot more to gain from him going to the Championship and having a good season than just sitting on our bench surely.

[MWHIBBIES]

Too fast too soft or out of play

Please note at no time have I used the word ‘ Bombscare’ :greengrin

Not a starter for me but we seem to be stuck with him and hopefully he can go on a run of good form kick on and push his way into the team

Not a hater of the guy by any means seems like a decent bloke

Looking back on Tuesday overall he wasn’t great - no one was

Eh, the vast majority of his passes found a Hibs player no problem. With Hanlon our he is certainly a starter.

[Hibernian Verse]

Too fast too soft or out of play

Please note at no time have I used the word ‘ Bombscare’ :greengrin

Not a starter for me but we seem to be stuck with him and hopefully he can go on a run of good form kick on and push his way into the team

Not a hater of the guy by any means seems like a decent bloke

Looking back on Tuesday overall he wasn’t great - no one was

Rocky's passing was very good out wide to Cadden and Stevenson when the option was on. He also drove forward with the ball when he could.

It's his positioning and rashness in pressure situations that cause the issues, but it's ok to realise that parts of his game are good.

Porteous' passing was worse.

[BILLYHIBS]

Rocky's passing was very good out wide to Cadden and Stevenson when the option was on. He also drove forward with the ball when he could.

It's his positioning and rashness in pressure situations that cause the issues, but it's ok to realise that parts of his game are good.

Porteous' passing was worse.

My main issue was his f#ck up with Kevin that was offside in any case

Yes he drove forward second half as the Bairns were happy to allow him the ball

Other posters have stated that his passing was erratic and I also remember one pass second half out to Cadden that went out for a throw in

He was not Beckenbauer by any stretch of the imagination

Happy to move on to Sunday if Rocky starts he will have my full support

Yes agree Porto was not great and was also culpable

No one was great

GGTTH

[FilipinoHibs]

Rocky's passing was very good out wide to Cadden and Stevenson when the option was on. He also drove forward with the ball when he could.

It's his positioning and rashness in pressure situations that cause the issues, but it's ok to realise that parts of his game are good.

Porteous' passing was worse.

Agree. Rocky one of our better players on the night. Porty too casual and starting to believe he
is the new Beckenbauer.

[SHODAN]

His first bad game since breaking into the first team and it wasn't against the Hertz. Calm yourselves.

[Hibbyradge]

My main issue was his f#ck up with Kevin that was offside in any case

Yes he drove forward second half as the Bairns were happy to allow him the ball

Other posters have stated that his passing was erratic and I also remember one pass second half out to Cadden that went out for a throw in

He was not Beckenbauer by any stretch of the imagination

Happy to move on to Sunday if Rocky starts he will have my full support

Yes agree Porto was not great and was also culpable

No one was great

GGTTH

You remember one misdirected pass yet he's had a bad game?

How many passes did all the others mess up?

I'm pretty sure Beckenbaur missed his target with passes too.

[BILLYHIBS]

You remember one misdirected pass yet he's had a bad game?

How many passes did all the others mess up?

I'm pretty sure Beckenbaur missed his target with passes too.

Remember a few dodgy passes in the first half as well

Just read Jonnyboy’s report “ touch of an elephant “

I have already said no one was great

Beckenbauer was immaculate as was our King Paddy

Was never my intention to turn this into a Rocky slagging match hope he kicks on

If you and others think he was brilliant fair enough

[cameronw-hfc]

Kev's reactions and technique when it comes to shot stopping is pretty immaculate for our level, just he's desperate for some game time at a decent standard to help the rest of his game.

His biggest issue is his communication. He's not confident enough on the pitch to demand a player gets out his way, or tell them to put it out, he does neither and half comes out for it and half waits for the defender to deal with it.

From what I seen vs Falkirk, Kev could still make it at Hibs, but a season on loan in the champ/SPL would do him the world of good.

He's a talented kid, just a lot of rough edges that need fixed.

[Hibbyradge]

Remember a few dodgy passes in the first half as well

Just read Jonnyboy’s report “ touch of an elephant “

I have already said no one was great

Beckenbauer was immaculate as was our King Paddy

Was never my intention to turn this into a Rocky slagging match hope he kicks on

If you and others think he was brilliant fair enough

I didn't think he was brilliant. I just don't think he deserves to be singled out but it does seem that people are looking for him to make a mistake rather than objectively view his performances. Negative confirmation bias, I think it's called.

For years Lewis Stevenson suffered from the fans' same mind set, and it took him a decade to be treated fairly by the majority, although some folk will never concede they were wrong.

Rocky may or may not be what we need going forward, but if all we do is seize on his every slip, he'll have no chance.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Kev's reactions and technique when it comes to shot stopping is pretty immaculate for our level, just he's desperate for some game time at a decent standard to help the rest of his game.

His biggest issue is his communication. He's not confident enough on the pitch to demand a player gets out his way, or tell them to put it out, he does neither and half comes out for it and half waits for the defender to deal with it.

From what I seen vs Falkirk, Kev could still make it at Hibs, but a season on loan in the champ/SPL would do him the world of good.

He's a talented kid, just a lot of rough edges that need fixed.

See, I’m the opposite with Dabrowski. I don’t feel like his technique is all that and keeping in mind he’s had limited minutes, I feel like I’ve found myself quite a few times thinking ‘at least he’s kept it out’ whilst thinking the way he went about it was really unorthodox. That’s fine whilst he’s keeping them out but im not sure how long that’ll go on for whilst being quite unorthodox.

Im sure others will look at him though and think his technique is very good, just my opinion though. There’s something about him which I just look at when he plays and don’t feel comfortable with at all.

[cameronw-hfc]

See, I’m the opposite with Dabrowski. I don’t feel like his technique is all that and keeping in mind he’s had limited minutes, I feel like I’ve found myself quite a few times thinking ‘at least he’s kept it out’ whilst thinking the way he went about it was really unorthodox. That’s fine whilst he’s keeping them out but im not sure how long that’ll go on for whilst being quite unorthodox.

Im sure others will look at him though and think his technique is very good, just my opinion though. There’s something about him which I just look at when he plays and don’t feel comfortable with at all.


I look at Kev from a coaches POV, and id love working with him. As a goalie coach I just feel like he's got all the attributes to be a seriously good keeper, it's just refining them and fixing his rough edges.

Doesn't mean I know any better than anyone else though, just my 2 cents, I do see where the doubts come from, I just think there's everything there to be a seriously good keeper at our level if we get him some decent game time soon.

[bigwheel]

I look at Kev from a coaches POV, and id love working with him. As a goalie coach I just feel like he's got all the attributes to be a seriously good keeper, it's just refining them and fixing his rough edges.

Doesn't mean I know any better than anyone else though, just my 2 cents, I do see where the doubts come from, I just think there's everything there to be a seriously good keeper at our level if we get him some decent game time soon.

He seems to have very little comfort with the ball at his feet ..he can save all the shots , but without that , won’t he struggle in the modern game ?

[BILLYHIBS]

I didn't think he was brilliant. I just don't think he deserves to be singled out but it does seem that people are looking for him to make a mistake rather than objectively view his performances. Negative confirmation bias, I think it's called.

For years Lewis Stevenson suffered from the fans' same mind set, and it took him a decade to be treated fairly by the majority, although some folk will never concede they were wrong.

Rocky may or may not be what we need going forward, but if all we do is seize on his every slip, he'll have no chance.

TBF I only singled him out for passing the ball towards an unguarded goal which might have resulted in a catastrophic error if allowed to stand

At the time I thought WTF is he doing ?

I am getting used to his fifty pence feet and fair to say on the night he performed better than others

Didn’t even notice Lewis was playing until he got MoM in 2007 😂

[Paulie Walnuts]

I look at Kev from a coaches POV, and id love working with him. As a goalie coach I just feel like he's got all the attributes to be a seriously good keeper, it's just refining them and fixing his rough edges.

Doesn't mean I know any better than anyone else though, just my 2 cents, I do see where the doubts come from, I just think there's everything there to be a seriously good keeper at our level if we get him some decent game time soon.

Are you a goalie coach?

If you are then you’ll obviously know better than me. I ****ing hated playing in goals and am more than happy to admit I don’t know all that much about playing the position :greengrin

[cameronw-hfc]

Are you a goalie coach?

If you are then you’ll obviously know better than me. I ****ing hated playing in goals and am more than happy to admit I don’t know all that much about playing the position :greengrin


I am yeah, although that doesn't necessarily mean I know more than anyone else, we've all got our own opinions on how set positions should be played!