Plant Medicine Ceremonies

[Dalianwanda]

Anyone tried them?

I had my first last week trying Hauchuma. Hard to explain what i experienced but it was amazing. Like nothing I’ve been through before. In the days after i’ve started to feel more at peace with everything and more connected to everything.

Not gonna do another for a while but signed up to do 10 days with 5 ceremonies in Peru. Not everyone’s cup of tea but for me certainly made me look at life from a totally different angle. Having the right guide is crucial too.

[CropleyWasGod]

My partner is a fan, and has done many. I am not yet convinced, but I may get there. In their words, I haven't yet been called.

Ayahuasca is their favourite, for many reasons. But your last sentence is crucial. There are a few charlatans out there, and trust is essential.

[AugustaHibs]

Sorry for my ignorance as I know nothing about the above.

Are these like psychedelics?

[Pretty Boy]

I have a friend who has used DMT, present in Ayahuasca I believe. His usage is much more recreational than spiritual but it sounds quite an amazing experience.

I'm intrigued by it but being totally honest I'm still far too nervy about it to actually try it. The complete disassociation, out of body and hallucinatory experience he describes sound like something that you either love or hate.

[SChibs]

My partner is a fan, and has done many. I am not yet convinced, but I may get there. In their words, I haven't yet been called.

Ayahuasca is their favourite, for many reasons. But your last sentence is crucial. There are a few charlatans out there, and trust is essential.

I'd love to have a guided ayahuasca session but I don't think I could deal with the spewing. Apparently it's pretty common for people to be sick during the experience.

[CropleyWasGod]

I'd love to have a guided ayahuasca session but I don't think I could deal with the spewing. Apparently it's pretty common for people to be sick during the experience.

It's very rare not to. The physical purging is part of the process.

[Dalianwanda]

My partner is a fan, and has done many. I am not yet convinced, but I may get there. In their words, I haven't yet been called.

Ayahuasca is their favourite, for many reasons. But your last sentence is crucial. There are a few charlatans out there, and trust is essential.

I’d agree with your partner. I had thought of it but never felt comfortable then everything dropped into place. Got recommendations and ended up with a guide doing them 20 years. As soon as i got there, knew it was the right choice.

Peru is 5 ayahuasca ceremonies with another plant the shaman decides in between..

[Dalianwanda]

Sorry for my ignorance as I know nothing about the above.

Are these like psychedelics?

Yeah but non synthetic ones, purely natural.

[Dalianwanda]

I'd love to have a guided ayahuasca session but I don't think I could deal with the spewing. Apparently it's pretty common for people to be sick during the experience.

I didn’t really have a sense of time but purged for a long while. Even that was weird. When doing it after too many beers it’s horrific. Doing it during the ceremony physically it was rough but mentally it wasn’t a bad thing, just the body getting rid of toxins.

[Dalianwanda]

I have a friend who has used DMT, present in Ayahuasca I believe. His usage is much more recreational than spiritual but it sounds quite an amazing experience.

I'm intrigued by it but being totally honest I'm still far too nervy about it to actually try it. The complete disassociation, out of body and hallucinatory experience he describes sound like something that you either love or hate.

But that’s the thing there wasn’t a complete disassociation. I could still walk about, wander the woods go back to the ceremony room. I was getting visions, messages etc but unlike say lsd things weren’t distorted everything was clear. What made me want to do it with a guide was a previous experience on dmt (which was totally different to hauchuma)..i wanted to have someone there to help me feel safe. Wasn’t there to get off my face but to use it to learn.

There were 15 of us from all backgrounds. Everyone was a bit nervous/excited which is natural as none of us knew what was coming (even the experienced ones)

The medicines still working so i’m told…I wouldn’t argue with that 😉

[Pretty Boy]

But that’s the thing there wasn’t a complete disassociation. I could still walk about, wander the woods go back to the ceremony room. I was getting visions, messages etc but unlike say lsd things weren’t distorted everything was clear. What made me want to do it with a guide was a previous experience on dmt (which was totally different to hauchuma)..i wanted to have someone there to help me feel safe. Wasn’t there to get off my face but to use it to learn.

There were 15 of us from all backgrounds. Everyone was a bit nervous/excited which is natural as none of us knew what was coming (even the experienced ones)

The medicines still working so i’m told…I wouldn’t argue with that 😉

That's interesting to know, thanks.

It seems to be an area that is criminally neglected when it comes to studies on the impact on mental well being.

[SChibs]

That's interesting to know, thanks.

It seems to be an area that is criminally neglected when it comes to studies on the impact on mental well being.

Theres no doubt there are alternative compounds at can be used to fight the mental health crisis. There are studies that shoe one treatment with psylocibin can treat certain conditions for weeks/months. There's no way big pharma is going to switch to that if they can sell daily dosages of SSRI's which are way less effective.

[CropleyWasGod]

Theres no doubt there are alternative compounds at can be used to fight the mental health crisis. There are studies that shoe one treatment with psylocibin can treat certain conditions for weeks/months. There's no way big pharma is going to switch to that if they can sell daily dosages of SSRI's which are way less effective.

I'm aware of GPs and other academics experimenting with the use of plant medicine and psychedelics for the treatment of mental health issues. Part of the research and education includes practitioners having the experience for themselves. That makes sense to me.

However, due to the legal and ethical barriers in their way, these things have to be done abroad under strict secrecy.

[Dalianwanda]

Just as a bit of background. My initial reasoning for going was to do with the ulcerlative colitis I was hit with last year. Id went on Gabor Mates the 4 day online retreat to understand if a trauma was involved in the physical condition. Trauma doesnt have to be anything major could be something very innocent ive interpreted incorrectly as a nipper eg went for a hug as my dads gone to turn the page on his paper and missed me altogether. He talked about the value of plant medicine to help get to stuff 'under the bonnet'.

So for me it was initially to see if anything could be uncovered. Once I got more information I learnt that what I might be looking for may be completely different to what I get. That the plant gives you the lessons you need. So I went completely open to what ever.

Some of the group had been through mental struggles, some just wanted to learn more, others to let go of physical pain. So interesting.

[Dalianwanda]

Today started my dieta for a trip to Peru I decided to go on. 6 ayahuasca ceremonies in 12 days. Leave on 26th. Fly into Lima then internal flight to Pucallpa then not sure how i get to the shamans village🤔

The dieta is so i’m cleansed when i get there (basically so i don’t spend first couple of ceremonies being cleansed by the medicine)..no salt, pepper, spices, fermented food, caffiene, bevy, dairy, pork, sex from now till i leave.

Can’t say i’m not a little nervous but as the prep takes place and each day closer we get im looking forward to it more.

No fancy stuff just some huts compost toilets & ceremony room…If we connecting with nature may as well do it right (saying that i’ve booked into a 5 star place the day we leave the village 😅. Shamans an 82 year old great granny.

[CropleyWasGod]

Today started my dieta for a trip to Peru I decided to go on. 6 ayahuasca ceremonies in 12 days. Leave on 26th. Fly into Lima then internal flight to Pucallpa then not sure how i get to the shamans village🤔

The dieta is so i’m cleansed when i get there (basically so i don’t spend first couple of ceremonies being cleansed by the medicine)..no salt, pepper, spices, fermented food, caffiene, bevy, dairy, pork, sex from now till i leave.

Can’t say i’m not a little nervous but as the prep takes place and each day closer we get im looking forward to it more.

No fancy stuff just some huts compost toilets & ceremony room…If we connecting with nature may as well do it right (saying that i’ve booked into a 5 star place the day we leave the village 😅. Shamans an 82 year old great granny.

Was wondering recently if you'd been yet.

Looking forward to hearing your stories at the other end (no pun intended :greengrin)

[brianmc]

I'd quite like to try DMT.... But don't fancy the whole Ayahuasca experience.

Hopefully it all goes well for you though.

I look forward to your 'match report' once you get back though.

[Dalianwanda]

Was wondering recently if you'd been yet.

Looking forward to hearing your stories at the other end (no pun intended :greengrin)

😅 i’ll be keeping a journal so will report back with heavy editing 😅
I did get some helpful advice from an apprentice shaman…an ayahuasca fart is never just a fart…will be watching out for that 🫠😳😁

[Dalianwanda]

I'd quite like to try DMT.... But don't fancy the whole Ayahuasca experience.

Hopefully it all goes well for you though.

I look forward to your 'match report' once you get back to

I’ve tried it a handful of times but looking back i was probably trying it for a high. Going on the trip isn’t for the high but for healing. DMTs in aya but the leaves (from my understanding) slow things right down. I saw an mma fighter talking about the difference the other day with aya taking you a treck down a canyon….dmt is like a bungee in and out 😅 DMT effects were instant and the first time i wasn’t ready for it.

I want the ceremony and the security i’m doing it safely and with intent. DMT was amazing i far preferred hauchuma with a guide (not tried ayahuasca before)

match report mid december 👍😊

[Dalianwanda]

Match Report Part 1

So Im back a few days from Peru & the whole thing was way more in every way I could have hoped for or imagined. It was also way more challenging both physically & mentally. I feel great but still a bit fragile. This week Ive been taking stock of everything, reflecting on what I was shown and what it means for me.

I thought I do a bit of an update on my two weeks dieta (A master plant dieta, sometimes referred to as a shamanic dieta is a complex, strict and rigorous system through which a teacher plant transmit healing, protection, guidance and sacred knowledge to the participant). Just explaining a bit about how it all worked & then when Im ready I’ll talk a wee bit about my experience (obviously not going into too much detail as it was highly personal but I can give a general gist). Doing this is also kinda helps me get my own thoughts in order, there was so much on every level to take in.

My first stop was Lima for the night then the following morning flew to Pacullpa. First thing I noticed when I got off the plane what the change in temp. Lima was around 21 but getting off an hour and a half later the temperature was 36! HereI met the rest of the group and we stayed in a gorgeous eco hotel for 2 days till we were ready to travel to the Shepibo tribal village that was to be our home for the dieta (the dieta was basically the commitment we were making to the master plant recommend to us for the weeks of the ceremony and after that too. This included the food we ate, the way we interacted with others, the way we conducted ourselves in and out of the ceremonies).

I’d done some prep before turning up. I’d cut out or cut down on salt, spices, fermented foods, oils, caffeine, booze, synthetic drugs & sex for the previous 4 weeks. Little did I know I hadn’t been severe enough in my prep! We had a translator and we each took it in turns to go and meet the shaman (she was around 5 ft tall and somewhere between 75 & 80. I was told she had been learning since age 13! I was assigned Noya Rao as my master plant “The Flying Plant Spirit.” I would drink a small amount of this each evening for 3 nights.

So you diet Noya Rao as its linked with creating greater capacity for organised thought, mental clarity, activate one’s intuitive capacities and helping to bring to light unconscious assumptions one may have about the world; in turn leading the dietero (a) to develop the courage necessary*to abandon limiting beliefs and change their perceptions. Sounds good to me :-) Ayahuasca that we took at each of the ceremonies is the vehicle to help us connect & learn from the master plant.

So now I had my master plant I was all set to start. I mentioned the food part of the dieta was very severe. Our meals were the same each day. On non ceremony days we had a breakfast of a boiled spud, porridge & a banana/plantine hot drink called chappo (this turned out to be a group favourite because it was the least bland thing we ate). Lunch would be steamed/boiled veg, yucca, plain rice & a fish each from the river. Dinner was a ‘broth’ which was basically water and veg. On ceremony days we had breakfast then broth for lunch and fasted for the rest of the day. No snacks were allowed & all we could drink was water (luckily the village had a spring 130m underground so the water was drinkable). Later on in the week I extended my fast to 48hrs.

On the first day at 6.30am before we started the diet all had to cleanse further. We met outside the kitchen hut & were given a plant medicine called yawapanga. We were told to down it then start drinking as much water as we could. Eventually projectile vomit happened then were told to keep drinking water, another projectile, more water, another one…Till we did 5! I was wrecked after that and that was only the start of it……Hadnt even had my first breakfast but yes my belly was certainly cleansed :greengrin

[camthebam]

Match Report Part 1



Fascinating stuff, looking forward to the rest. I appreciate a lot of it will be ineffable.

I’m booked into an Ayahuasca Retreat near Barcelona at the end of March. Did contemplate Peru but thought Barcelona might be a bit more inexpensive and less daunting for my 1st. It’s a 6 day retreat involving 4 Ayahuasca ceremonies and 1 Bufo Alvarius amongst other things.

Have you read, “How to Change Your Mnd” by Michael Pollan? There’s a documentary of the same name on Netflix, also by the author.

Anyway, glad you’ve survived. That’s the first tick for me, lol.

[CropleyWasGod]

Subscribed :greengrin

[Dalianwanda]

Fascinating stuff, looking forward to the rest. I appreciate a lot of it will be ineffable.

I’m booked into an Ayahuasca Retreat near Barcelona at the end of March. Did contemplate Peru but thought Barcelona might be a bit more inexpensive and less daunting for my 1st. It’s a 6 day retreat involving 4 Ayahuasca ceremonies and 1 Bufo Alvarius amongst other things.

Have you read, “How to Change Your Mnd” by Michael Pollan? There’s a documentary of the same name on Netflix, also by the author.

Anyway, glad you’ve survived. That’s the first tick for me, lol.

Nice one! Sure you’re gonna have an amazing time, it’s quite the teacher 😅 There’s was one guy in our group staying for 3months!

I’ll mention it in the next post but doing it in thick jungle with a shaman with direct knowledge lineage of thousands of years made connection to the plant sooo strong. I’d really recommend Peru & the pretty strict dieta we did compared to some i heard of.

I’d certainly recommend being strict with the diet at least a couple of weeks before, it really makes all the difference as i saw at our one.

Not read that but someone mentioned it to me, i certainly give the show a watch. I’ve his audiobook ‘This is your mind on plants’ still to get through. I’d highly recommended’Ayahuasca:soul medicine of the amazon jungle - javier reguiro’ especially the audiobook…gave me lots of great advice before i went.👍

[Dalianwanda]

Subscribed :greengrin

Nice one 😉 First one was easiest to write, things start getting a bit harder to put into words 😅

[camthebam]

Nice one! Sure you’re gonna have an amazing time, it’s quite the teacher 😅 There’s was one guy in our group staying for 3months!

I’ll mention it in the next post but doing it in thick jungle with a shaman with direct knowledge lineage of thousands of years made connection to the plant sooo strong. I’d really recommend Peru & the pretty strict dieta we did compared to some i heard of.

I’d certainly recommend being strict with the diet at least a couple of weeks before, it really makes all the difference as i saw at our one.

Not read that but someone mentioned it to me, i certainly give the show a watch. I’ve his audiobook ‘This is your mind on plants’ still to get through. I’d highly recommended’Ayahuasca:soul medicine of the amazon jungle - javier reguiro’ especially the audiobook…gave me lots of great advice before i went.👍

I think I’ll build myself up to the 3 month one, ha.

Yeah, definitely plan to do the de-tox diet thing at least 4 weeks before going. I have a Zoom call with the guide at the start of January so will probably learn more about that then but I think it’s similar to what you described above.

Book ordered, was looking for one anyway :thumbsup:

[WhileTheChief..]

This sounds absolutely terrifying to me.

Hope it goes well for you.

[CropleyWasGod]

Fascinating stuff, looking forward to the rest. I appreciate a lot of it will be ineffable.

I’m booked into an Ayahuasca Retreat near Barcelona at the end of March. Did contemplate Peru but thought Barcelona might be a bit more inexpensive and less daunting for my 1st. It’s a 6 day retreat involving 4 Ayahuasca ceremonies and 1 Bufo Alvarius amongst other things.

Have you read, “How to Change Your Mnd” by Michael Pollan? There’s a documentary of the same name on Netflix, also by the author.

Anyway, glad you’ve survived. That’s the first tick for me, lol.

That's a very interesting watch. I think I mentioned it on the Anxiety & Depression thread.

[camthebam]

That's a very interesting watch. I think I mentioned it on the Anxiety & Depression thread.

Very much so, easy watch too. I’d read the book a couple of years before the documentary series came out, it’s a very open minded look at the history of psychedelics, how they were always supposed to be mental health medicines until Timothy Leary antagonised Nixon, the subsequent battle to rid them of their “far out” stigma and where we are now.

It also chronicles Michael’s trepidations as he tries some of them. Michael’s a scientist in his 60s, it’s not like he’s some high-chasing Jim Morrison type, which gives both the series and book resonance.

[CropleyWasGod]

Posted this on the Anxiety and Depression thread, but I thought some on here might be interested:-

I know that some on here are interested in the use of psychedelics in dealing with mental health issues.

A friend of mine has arranged this event, to discuss exactly that, with a Parliamentary event immediately afterwards.

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/psychedelics-in-scotland-the-future-of-mental-health-tickets-512018159097

[Jack]

Posted this on the Anxiety and Depression thread, but I thought some on here might be interested:-

I know that some on here are interested in the use of psychedelics in dealing with mental health issues.

A friend of mine has arranged this event, to discuss exactly that, with a Parliamentary event immediately afterwards.

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/psych...s-512018159097

Whoops, the page or event you are looking for was not found.

[CropleyWasGod]

Whoops, the page or event you are looking for was not found.

Try this....

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/psychedelics-in-scotland-the-future-of-mental-health-tickets-512018159097

[Jack]

Try this....

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/psychedelics-in-scotland-the-future-of-mental-health-tickets-512018159097

That works, thanks.

[Dalianwanda]

Match Report Part 2

Last night I had an integration ceremony which was really useful. Nothing fancy just a chat about how I was with the rest of the group. It reminded me I hadn’t updated this!

So as I shared with the group at the moment Im feeling good. Bouncing between feeling spacious & connected & spacey & lost. Its all good though I was feeling a wee bit rudderless (as in what do I do with my life now kinda buzz) but things are starting to show up for me & Im getting a plan together bit by bit. As I say Ive felt pretty spacious, connected or at peace but at the same time Ive felt really isolated and that I can’t really share what Ive been through with many. So writing this out will help as Im not doing it for judgement or understanding just throwing out my experience which is what it is.

Ans thats one of the things that drew me to working with plant medicine. Its not about beliefs, or control, or lacking its about direct experience and learning and understanding from that.

So in the last update Id’ got to the start of us cleansing our body by purging before breakfast. The next part was beginning the food element. Every day was the same with little variations at lunch. Breakfast was a boiled spud, porridge & chappo (boiled mashed banana drink), lunch on non ceremony days (ceremony days are the days I was taking ayahuasca) was boiled yucca, white rice, broccoli, green beans & a fish from the river. Dinner was broth, which was basically water with loads of veggies in it. All we could drink was water & we weren’t allowed to snack outside lunchtime. On ceremony days the broth was moved down to lunching we fasted till breakfast the next day. We had the option if we wanted to fast during the dieta. I did 48hrs around half way through my time there and found to very beneficial. The lessons came stronger & clearer whether that was the fast or not Im not sure (I’lljust say it was since I went through it ;-)

When I got to the village as we had been told to bring things like hiking boots I naturally thought we would be doing jungle tricks on our off days. After the first ceremony I realised that there were no off days. We either had a ceremony at night or we basically spent the days in our tambos (huts) journaling, meditating, smoking mupacho (see below) or resting. It was too hot to do anything else and most of the time I waste tired.

So the ceremonies themselves started about 7pm (the first ceremony was also to bring out defences downspout was easier to let go of energiesAs it was also easier to pick up energies from others from here on there was no touching & no burdening others with what you were going through..for the next couple of weeks it was iscolation for the majority of the time)… The ceremony room was amazing and it was a place I’d spend time if the solitude of the Tambo got too boring :-) Ive attached a pic. Our mats were all around the outside of the room (we were told what our mat was for the week) and in the middle was a mat and a alter and set up for the shaman including the ayahuasca. There was no really talking in the ceremony room, it was to be treated with respect. I had beside on my mat pillows and blankets & beside me a bowl to purge into, a carved nova rao pipe (it was another connection to the master plant I was taking), a supply of mopacho both in roll up form & loose tobacco for pipe, a couple bottle of agua florida & some water. Oh yeah I also had a head torch as the whole ceremony is done in pitch darkness and sometimes I needed to crawl to the loo!

Mopacho is a south american tobacco & its another master plant. I don’t smoke but I used this regularly. I wouldn’t inhale but just take a draw & blow it over the chakras. Heres a link to its uses https://doubleblindmag.com/mapacho-nicotiana-rustica-sacred-tobacco/ . The agua florida was basically scented water that had such an amazing effect on the senses during the ceremonies. It snapped you present in a invigorating way and was just lovely (especially when things got a bit intense).

So I was all kitted out and ready. Eventually the Shaman/Maestro would come in with her number 2 shaman with her. This is where I really started to get why I had travelled all that way. To watch her prep & realise not only had she being doing this for decades but was also following a lineage of guides going back thousands of years. She only spoke shepibo and some Spanish so it was a quick “buenas noches” then she was oft work. First of all she would get us up one at a time. We would kneel in front of her and she would mumble words, and blow mupacho on us to cleanse us with ‘white light’ and keep away evil spirits. Then she would take the ayahuasca bottle and start to breath in it gently. Lightly singing and talking breath into the bottle for a few minutes. Once done it was time to dish it out.

We’d again go up one at a time and a measure the ayahuasca was poured. On night one it looked like a triple shot (this was upped for some of us as the ceremonies went by, we could also ask for more during the ceremonies (not that we would always get it), again mupacho was blown into it then we would take it back to our mat. We’d then breathe our own intention into the glass before necking it.

My god if there’s a fowler tasting drink out there Im yet to try it. We had also been warned the brew was particularly strong so particularly minging. It was actually hard not to just puke it back up. Some controlled breathing & a slug of water usually helped keep it down (this didn’t get easier as the nights went on, it probably got harder)…..The shaman would then take her ayahuasca then in another few minutes blow out the candles so were sitting on our mats in complete darkness, with just the noise of the jungle animals around us waiting for whatever to happen…

Think that’s enough for now, the jury stuff follows in the last post I’ll get done this week.

[CropleyWasGod]

Anyone tried kambo?

[Dalianwanda]

Anyone tried kambo?

I’m booked in for a session next month. Not particularly looking forward to it.

[CropleyWasGod]

I’m booked in for a session next month. Not particularly looking forward to it.

Not?

Tell us why 😀

[Dalianwanda]

Well i’ve heard great things about the results…But also heard the actual process can be kinda hot and sweaty with lots of purging guaranteed. No pretty visuals to be take the edge off 😅 It doesn’t last too long so sure it’ll be grand.

[CropleyWasGod]

Well i’ve heard great things about the results…But also heard the actual process can be kinda hot and sweaty with lots of purging guaranteed. No pretty visuals to be take the edge off 😅 It doesn’t last too long so sure it’ll be grand.

Sounds to me as if it's Aya Lite 😀

My partner wants to do a couples ceremony. I'm not too sure.

Rory Lamont, who used to play rugby for Scotland, does them in Perthshire.

[Dalianwanda]

My friends went to a ceremony over here for kambo and really enjoyed it (he’d never done any plants in a guided way….i know a frogs not a plant but you know what i mean ;-))..

i’m just going to kickstart the immune system after being told my ulcerative colitis has gone into remission following Peru.

wow..just shows there’s all sorts embracing nature..on face value i’d never have linked him with it

[CropleyWasGod]

My friends went to a ceremony over here for kambo and really enjoyed it (he’d never done any plants in a guided way….i know a frogs not a plant but you know what i mean ;-))..

i’m just going to kickstart the immune system after being told my ulcerative colitis has gone into remission following Peru.

wow..just shows there’s all sorts embracing nature..on face value i’d never have linked him with it

Lamont's journey began when injury ended his rugby career. His mental health went into a downward spiral, and conventional medicine didn't work for him. So he turned to other medicine, went to South America, and has embraced the whole plant thing.

He's talking at an event at the University next month. Really looking forward to hearing him.

[Dalianwanda]

Lamont's journey began when injury ended his rugby career. His mental health went into a downward spiral, and conventional medicine didn't work for him. So he turned to other medicine, went to South America, and has embraced the whole plant thing.

He's talking at an event at the University next month. Really looking forward to hearing him.

Ah that would be cool to hear. I’m so glad my life’s taken this path, it’s so interesting and inspiring.

I don’t know if you have Gaia but if you do an episode of The Healing Powers focuses on kambo

[CropleyWasGod]

Try this....

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/psychedelics-in-scotland-the-future-of-mental-health-tickets-512018159097

Just bumping this event, which is on this coming Wednesday.

[Dalianwanda]

Just bumping this event, which is on this coming Wednesday.

How did it go? I had a look and see it was sold out :-)

[Dalianwanda]

Final Match Report

So I closed my eyes and gently focussed on my breath. All you could here was the noise of the jungle and the odd yawn coming from the others around me. After a while the maestro starts to sing her icaro which are specific songs sung by the shaman to bring forward the good-spirits and keep away the bad ones. She starts to sing when the ayahuasca she has taken starts to work for her.

Its really magical to hear. Over the space of around 6 hours she will start from her space in the middle of the ceremony room then in time sit across from each of the group. This was so powerful & way beyond what I had experienced in Ireland (normally there’s music playing or maybe a rhythmic drum or rattle). As well as trying to work with the spirit world its also a thread for me to hold on to when either I drift off into a dream state or become caught in a loop of bad experience.

As well as the main maestro there was a secondary one who when the first one had moved to the next person the secondary one would fill that space. To me & some of the others it felt like the first one was opening you up & allowing negative stuff to leave the body with the second shaman it was amore joyous experience feeling great love and positive energy (not all the time but certainly more often than not). OnI think the third ceremony we had a third shaman singing an icaro, this time a man. Having three of them was amazing but also disorientating as it felt like they were all around you even when they were actually at the other side of the room. The first maestro would also be purging a lot which again felt like she was literally suck they crap out of you then purging it up.

In my first ceremony I had no idea what to expect (although I probably had some expectations due to stuff Id read or watched prior to travelling). I sat waiting for what ever to kick on. I did start getting some powerful visuals which seemed to be that of many snakes filling my complete vision. I couldn’t see any heads or tails, just the bodies writhing about. That was really my only vision the rest of it was really physical with me going into spasm a lot (a kind of super extreme yawn) which wasn’t scary but it left me exhausted. Around 6 hours later I felt like I’d tried too hard and failed & just wanted to get out of the room once the ceremony was over. I was wrecked.

The day after the ceremony we had sharing circles where we shared out experience & everyone just listened. I found these really powerful & it shook me out of my disappointment & excited for the remaining ceremonies. In future circles by verbalising what I was experiencing helped me understand why it was showing me what it showed. Valuable integration back into my life.

I’ll mention a couple of experiences I had on the other ceremonies. Ive found it kind of difficult to put it into words. The feelings I experienced (especially love) were like nothing I’d felt before, way more intense. But putting it into words doesn’t do an of it justice. What also makes it harder to verbalise is that for a lot of the lessons brought up, I was experiencing as if I was there but also as if I was a witness to the experience lots of the time. Not like being mindful & noticing the present moment as such, more from experiencing from multiple positions all at once. I also didn’t want to go looking for ‘the visuals. This was one of my biggest learnings as I suppose I was looking for these rather than just allowing what showed up. The visuals are pretty amazing at times but in the big scheme of things not that important (I was there to learn).

On the second night a decided to keep it simple, my intention was to just experience true self. After a while in the darkness a little white dot appeared in my vision (like the only one you use to get when you switch off the telly)..This then grew to again show lots of snake like scales writhing about in a few different colours..About 45mins in a massive white light appeared in the corner of my vision, it felt like I was staring at the sun. As had a go at opening met eyes (over the 2 weeks sometimes it was difficult to tell if my eyes were open or closed due to visuals showing up either way)..I could tell it was dark so shut them and again the light showed up. Unlike other dreams Ive had I could physically moved my head to get different views (just like with my eyes open)..I looked up at the light which was eventually peeled back like a cover over my head. When right back I could see about 15 different characters looking down on me (I was lying down they were all crowded around but a good few feet above so it seemed. There were relatives, beings I couldn’t describe and the odd animal. All looking down smiling, saying hello, giggling and telling me not to try too hard to come up and join them for a look about. I was a bit like a moth against a light trying but bouncing back. They just giggled and said it was cool & they would be there when I made it. Eventually I lay back, I wasn’t frustrated but was trying to work out what the learning was. Then for the first time (this happed around 10 times that night) I witnessed myself dying. It sounds very morbid but it didn’t feel that way at the time. I felt and witnessed myself lying down then experiencing my body decomposing. Skin muscles then bone dissolving until eventually I felt I was in the soil, then mixed with the soil, then particles of soil then patricles/atoms in space then just space. In space I felt a real peace and noticed although my body was gone I wasn’t, I was still aware. As I say this happened through the ceremony about 10 times. Similar to the first ceremony I was having yawny seizures so although I wasn’t in any pain it was physically exhausting. What I found really interesting was that when ever I was at my weakest the plant would do something to either make me laugh, lift my spirits or give me physical strength to keep going.

On this night after every vision of death I would experience the super bright green light. At times it came in the form of drops coming from a watering can which when I looked closer was being held over me by the beings I mentioned earlier. Other times it was like standing in a waterfall with the jungle all around me. This is where the feelings of love/bliss or whatever where at levels Id never experienced before & gave me strength to stay present and carry on. As I say it was beyond description….

On the third night the ‘boosters’ of lightness/love came more in a football theme. John Wark in his Scotland strip in a panini sticker album kept popping up when times were tough giving me the thumbs up & telling me to stick in there I was doing great. Before a particularly tough lesson which I won’t go into I was on the pitch with Hibs I remember us scoring a goal and being surrounded by players (not one stuck out but they all seemed like every player Id every knew played for us) which grew into my family then then Hibs family and all our ancestors..The feeling was like celebrating every goal we had ever scored all at once. Holding up a trophy which then tuned golden and everything else turned black and then the lesson that was really difficult was shown to me. It was done in such a lovely way I really believe the plant had my back.

In other ceremonies with my eyes open I felt I turned into a tiger for a while which again gave me massive strength when I felt really week. I went invisible for a while which really confused me as I could see silhouettes of the people beside me but couldn’t see my hands or arms…….Loads of other amazing things…haha

Theres so many other things that showed up but Ive probably said enough ;-) After the final ceremony the shaman put our protection back on again (I could see her in the darkness adorning me with what I later found out where visions of ceremonial robes) which meant for the first time in two weeks we could shake hands with each other and hug..This last ceremony was on my birthday & also on a full moon. Pretty emotional as the ceremony finished and we looked out over the jungle canopy illuminated by moonlight.

Im not going to say it was the trip of a lifetime because I do think I’ll go back again. It was a life changer though & Im so grateful I committed to it and stuck with it.

Also Im not saying any of the visions were real however I did experience it all & what is reality if its not experienced?

Hope some of this made sense haha

[CropleyWasGod]

Thanks for sharing that, DW.

Really interesting at first read, and I will be reading again :agree:

[Dalianwanda]

Thanks for sharing that, DW.

Really interesting at first read, and I will be reading again :agree:

Thanks! As soon as I posted I thought I never mentioned this, should have mentioned that etc...Could have been at it all day :greengrin

[Bristolhibby]

That’s amazing. There really is another level to life and we just need to know how to access it.

J

[Dalianwanda]

That’s amazing. There really is another level to life and we just need to know how to access it.

J

Yeah pretty eye opening to say the least. I went through an intro to shamanism last week. Even doing that joined a couple of dots up. As with plant medicine there were people from all backgrounds and ages. Wonderful to see people’s eyes being opened to a new paradigms.

[grunt]

Anyone tried kambo?


Kambo is usually used in a group setting, called a Kambo circle or Kambo ceremony. The effects on humans usually include tachycardia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tachycardia), nausea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausea), vomiting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vomiting), and diarrhea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarrhoea), however, a meta-review of 50 studies in which 11 cases of acute intoxication were examined[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kambo_(drug)#cite_note-Sacco_Zibetti_Bonetta_2022-1) found that extreme cases may include psychosis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis) (occasionally severe), SIADH (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIADH), kidney damage (including acute renal failure), pancreas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancreas) damage, liver damage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liver_disease) including toxic hepatitis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_hepatitis), dermatomyositis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dermatomyositis), esophageal rupture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esophageal_rupture), seizures, and death, although evidence for these is limited.

Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but why would anyone want to do this?

[CropleyWasGod]

Sorry to be Debbie Downer, but why would anyone want to do this?

https://www.planetkambo.com/post/kambo-benefits

[grunt]

https://www.planetkambo.com/post/kambo-benefitsThanks. Rather you than me.

[Alex Trager]

Interesting to stumble across this at this hour. Can’t believe I’ve not seen this thread before.

I have lots to say on the subject, but I am knackered. So for the time being, I am surprised noone has mentioned the following:

From shock to awe - ayahuasca film about US veterans.
Magic medicine - psilocybin film in the UK with David Nutt about depression.

https://open.spotify.com/show/2hLSRIS777SKphWxv4HyDK?si=0FXHHIyRROW5mdz8iFPVhQ&app_destination=copy-link
- podcast with the marvellous and inspiring David Nutt, you probably recognise his name, he’ll be talked about a bit by me. He is the gateway to this knowledge for me.
Masses of guests all with different stories and different approaches to healing, or facilitating healing: psilo - aya - lsd - mdma - ketamine - mescaline - others which I can’t remember.

Chasing the scream - book - johan Hari - about the ‘war’ on drugs and it’s ridiculousness.

Drugs without the hot air - book - Pro David Nutt.

Both people can be found on YouTube on ted talks as well as other places.

Looking forward to further discussions and re reading the posts above!

[Dalianwanda]

Interesting to stumble across this at this hour. Can’t believe I’ve not seen this thread before.

I have lots to say on the subject, but I am knackered. So for the time being, I am surprised noone has mentioned the following:

From shock to awe - ayahuasca film about US veterans.
Magic medicine - psilocybin film in the UK with David Nutt about depression.

https://open.spotify.com/show/2hLSRIS777SKphWxv4HyDK?si=0FXHHIyRROW5mdz8iFPVhQ&app_destination=copy-link
- podcast with the marvellous and inspiring David Nutt, you probably recognise his name, he’ll be talked about a bit by me. He is the gateway to this knowledge for me.
Masses of guests all with different stories and different approaches to healing, or facilitating healing: psilo - aya - lsd - mdma - ketamine - mescaline - others which I can’t remember.

Chasing the scream - book - johan Hari - about the ‘war’ on drugs and it’s ridiculousness.

Drugs without the hot air - book - Pro David Nutt.

Both people can be found on YouTube on ted talks as well as other places.

Looking forward to further discussions and re reading the posts above!

Thanks for this i’ll check them out (over time)..I signed up with Gaia when there’s loads of great docs on the subject.

I’m away next week on a huachuma men’s retreat….alternative paddy’s day weekend 😉

[Dalianwanda]

Thought this was a really nice article on Huachuma which my Irish 'guide/teacher/shaman!?' penned

https://saoro.org/2023/03/07/meeting-huachuma/

[Stairway 2 7]

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/mar/20/psychedelic-brew-ayahuasca-profound-impact-brain-scans-dmt

Psychedelic brew ayahuasca’s profound impact revealed in brain scans
Study gives most advanced picture yet of DMT compound’s effect on advanced functions such as imagination

[Dalianwanda]

https://www.planetkambo.com/post/kambo-benefits

I was actually on a Hauchuma ceremony at the weekend with the practitioner who i was going to work with Kambo with. He told me as I’ve gone into remission for colitis following my peru trip Kambo wasn’t needed (i thought it could kick start the immune system) as it could potentially cause a flair up.

In other news i tried jungle tobacco which was made into a liquid which you inhaled 5 or 6 times…Ive never purged so much and almost passed out..had to just lie down beside my teacher feeling fine mentally but unable to move physically..the tears that then pored out were very raw but what was left after an hour or so was pure peace . not for faint hearted but some feeling if you push through and allow it all.

[CropleyWasGod]

Interesting article.

I have an issue about some of the judgemental language, but a good read nonetheless.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65211722

[Edina Street]

I have a friend who has used DMT, present in Ayahuasca I believe. His usage is much more recreational than spiritual but it sounds quite an amazing experience.

I'm intrigued by it but being totally honest I'm still far too nervy about it to actually try it. The complete disassociation, out of body and hallucinatory experience he describes sound like something that you either love or hate.

An ex BBC presenter went to Peru in 1990 and tripped on Ayahuasca. He came back to Britain believing the universe to be a matrix controlled by the Illuminati and reptilian shape-shifters.

He gave up his career with the BBC and became a mainstream conspiracy theorist.

That Ayahuasca must have some potency

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca#/media/File:Ayahuasca_prep.JPG
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[camthebam]

Thanks. Rather you than me.

i did it a couple of weeks ago. And 4 ayahuasca ceremonies and also did Bufo Alvarius which was the most profoundly beautiful thing I have experienced in my life.

Kambo was tough to experience but I felt incredible after it.

I’ll maybe write a bit on here later about it all, hadn’t noticed this thread resurfacing. My journal of it is 11,000 words long though so it’ll have to be an abridged version, lol.

[Dalianwanda]

i did it a couple of weeks ago. And 4 ayahuasca ceremonies and also did Bufo Alvarius which was the most profoundly beautiful thing I have experienced in my life.

Kambo was tough to experience but I felt incredible after it.

I’ll maybe write a bit on here later about it all, hadn’t noticed this thread resurfacing. My journal of it is 11,000 words long though so it’ll have to be an abridged version, lol.

Would love to hear the abridged version but no rush…know it takes time 😉 Hope it was all you hoped for (sounds like it was)

i’ve 3 more weekend retreats then i’m done again for the year. One ayahuasca and 2 hauchuma (with tobacco)..

[camthebam]

Would love to hear the abridged version but no rush…know it takes time 😉 Hope it was all you hoped for (sounds like it was)

i’ve 3 more weekend retreats then i’m done again for the year. One ayahuasca and 2 hauchuma (with tobacco)..

I’m actually not sure I have the motivation to abridge a version for a football forum I have no idea who’s reading. I’d be willing to email you the full one if you want though, just PM me your address if you would. And feel free to reach out then to discuss anything as it’s not something that can be talked about with a lot of people and re-integration has challenges. I’d also be fascinated to hear more about your experiences as I’m sure they were somewhat different to mine.

If anyone else wants I can send them my report too, I’m just a little wary of sharing on a public forum. If anyone does I would respectfully ask you don’t forward it on though, it’s got a lot of intimate stuff in it and I’ve used real people’s names and photos in it.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Is this stuff legal? :confused:

[Dalianwanda]

Is this stuff legal? :confused:

Depends on the country your in…I’d rather focus on the benefits it has to humanity though 😉

[Dalianwanda]

I’m actually not sure I have the motivation to abridge a version for a football forum I have no idea who’s reading. I’d be willing to email you the full one if you want though, just PM me your address if you would. And feel free to reach out then to discuss anything as it’s not something that can be talked about with a lot of people and re-integration has challenges. I’d also be fascinated to hear more about your experiences as I’m sure they were somewhat different to mine.

If anyone else wants I can send them my report too, I’m just a little wary of sharing on a public forum. If anyone does I would respectfully ask you don’t forward it on though, it’s got a lot of intimate stuff in it and I’ve used real people’s names and photos in it.

Ah sure i hear ya…I’ll not bother with full version as it’s only gonna be relavent to you. I’d be up for chatting at some point though..i’ll drop you a pm

[camthebam]

Ah sure i hear ya…I’ll not bother with full version as it’s only gonna be relavent to you. I’d be up for chatting at some point though..i’ll drop you a pm

No worries. Only got round to reading your 3rd part today, not having time yesterday. John Wark, eh? :rotflmao:

I didn’t get anyone/thing “speaking” to me as such. Each ceremony I got like an hour of extreme visuals then it turned into something else where I was more present be it bliss, terror, rumination, realisation or near communal religious fervour in the last ceremony. It’s quite something, it really is.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Depends on the country your in…I’d rather focus on the benefits it has to humanity though 😉

:greengrin

Was just curious. It’s not of any interest to me and if I’m honest, I’ve never heard of half the stuff. Thanks :aok:

[CropleyWasGod]

Anyone worked with sananga?

[Dalianwanda]

Anyone worked with sananga?

I’ve had it applied a couple of times during ceremonies. Stings like **** for 30secs or so then a nice feeling of peace. I had i to help snap out of a loop i was stuck in. Hav a bottle in the fridge i bought in peru but not summoned the courage to self administer ☺️

[CropleyWasGod]

I’ve had it applied a couple of times during ceremonies. Stings like **** for 30secs or so then a nice feeling of peace. I had i to help snap out of a loop i was stuck in. Hav a bottle in the fridge i bought in peru but not summoned the courage to self administer ☺️

Ta.

That seems to be the general experience.

Without giving anything away, were you using it for any specific reason?

[Dalianwanda]

Ta.

That seems to be the general experience.

Without giving anything away, were you using it for any specific reason?

The only reason was to help me come out of a looping pattern that had me purging for ages during a ceremony, and it worked :-)

I was speaking to a kambo practitioner the other week and he was telling me how effective it is for migraines.

[speedy_gonzales]

Anyone watching Tribe with Bruce Parry on BBC2 tonight?

Really interesting watch, spends a month with the Waimaha people (Columbia?) and goes through the process for the Ayahuasca ceremonies.
Obviously read what was posted here but wasn't prepared for the visuals when they went through the purging process.

[lapsedhibee]

Anyone watching Tribe with Bruce Parry on BBC2 tonight?

Really interesting watch, spends a month with the Waimaha people (Columbia?) and goes through the process for the Ayahuasca ceremonies.
Obviously read what was posted here but wasn't prepared for the visuals when they went through the purging process.

Just blatant river pollution, that. Have reported to SEPA.

[speedy_gonzales]

Just blatant river pollution, that. Have reported to SEPA.

It wasn't pleasant viewing. At one point, I thought the liquid being expelled from Mr P was pinkish in colour, blood? That can't be good.

My poor wife has a weak constitution and will often gag when folk are sick, she had to leave the room 🤣

[Dalianwanda]

It wasn't pleasant viewing. At one point, I thought the liquid being expelled from Mr P was pinkish in colour, blood? That can't be good.

My poor wife has a weak constitution and will often gag when folk are sick, she had to leave the room 🤣

It’s not really a spectator sport 😉 Comes out in a variety of weird colours…..it’s all good though.

[Stairway 2 7]

Anyone watching Tribe with Bruce Parry on BBC2 tonight?

Really interesting watch, spends a month with the Waimaha people (Columbia?) and goes through the process for the Ayahuasca ceremonies.
Obviously read what was posted here but wasn't prepared for the visuals when they went through the purging process.
Enjoyed it but preferred the old ones, only to find out they are all on iplayer 👌

[Hibrandenburg]

Anyone watching Tribe with Bruce Parry on BBC2 tonight?

Really interesting watch, spends a month with the Waimaha people (Columbia?) and goes through the process for the Ayahuasca ceremonies.
Obviously read what was posted here but wasn't prepared for the visuals when they went through the purging process.

Just watched the first 2 episodes and it really puts into perspective how vile we Europeans are at treating guests.