Scott Allan.

[blackpoolhibs]

Thought he deserved a thread of his own, the guy was a pleasure to watch at times, a genius when on top form.

Circumstances have interupted what i'd have loved to have been a longer period as a Hibs player.

Good luck to him, and more importantly good health too. :not worth:not worth:not worth

[BILLYHIBS]

Hear ! Hear!

Scott Allan was a class act

Welcome back at Easter Road anytime

[bigwheel]

Yes. Huge respect - plays football the way it should be - expect to see him get a regular game somewhere and still do many sublime things with the ball . Thanks for the great memories.

[Jonnyboy]

Thought he deserved a thread of his own, the guy was a pleasure to watch at times, a genius when on top form.

Circumstances have interupted what i'd have loved to have been a longer period as a Hibs player.

Good luck to him, and more importantly good health too. :not worth:not worth:not worth

Couldn’t agree more, G. I’ve no problem with all the others leaving and confess my disappointment over Scotty is totally emotional. Best of luck to him for the rest of his playing career

[LaMotta]

Absolutely.

Whilst it was clear his time was up at the end of the season, it's a disgrace he never got more game time during our dismal second half of the season when we struggled to create or score.

[marinello59]

Thought he deserved a thread of his own, the guy was a pleasure to watch at times, a genius when on top form.

Circumstances have interupted what i'd have loved to have been a longer period as a Hibs player.

Good luck to him, and more importantly good health too. :not worth:not worth:not worth

Well said.
He gave us some moments of pure magic. He always seemed to know where all of his team mates were before he received the ball and executed a precision pass to the right player in an instant. There are very few players in Scotland with that level of footballing vision, we were lucky to have him.

[WeeRussell]

Very good OP. Not a lot to add to that really 👍

[Smartie]

In spite of clearly being more limited physically than he has been in the past, he still managed to provide a very decent end product for the amount of time he spent on the pitch during the first half of the season.

One of my all time favourite players to wear the jersey, on form he was up there with the very best of them.

All the best for the future.

[Kato]

Players like him don't come along too often, they are also often flawed which just adds to romance.

I sometimes wish a mathematician would translate to paper the computations which occur in a players brain to complete those passes with just the perfect weight, at just the right time and at such precise angles. The equations are so elegant.

An absolute pleasure to have seen him in a Hibernian strip. All the best and good luck in the future. Should always be made welcome at our club.

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[jeffers]

Totally agree with blackpoolhibs on this. Really sad the way his time at Hibs ended. One of my favourite players of all time. His performance in the 4–0 game against the Huns is as good as I’ve seen. All the best for the future Scotty.

[JohnM1875]

100% deserving of his own thread. My favourite player to watch when he was fit and firing on all cylinders. With his post on Twitter you can see how much the club means to him as well. Love the guy and wish him all the best.

He'll find a club no problem of he wants to continue playing.

[GonzoReturns]

Totally agree with blackpoolhibs on this. Really sad the way his time at Hibs ended. One of my favourite players of all time. His performance in the 4–0 game against the Huns is as good as I’ve seen. All the best for the future Scotty.

👏👏👏 a game to always remember 👏👏👏👏

[J-C]

Thought he deserved a thread of his own, the guy was a pleasure to watch at times, a genius when on top form.

Circumstances have interupted what i'd have loved to have been a longer period as a Hibs player.

Good luck to him, and more importantly good health too. :not worth:not worth:not worth


Spot on G, the guy was class when fit and raring to go, unfortunately his well known health issues have hampered his career, wish him well wherever he plays next.

[Hibernia&Alba]

He was terrific in his first spell with us. I don't know how much his health issues have affected him, but it must be difficult. He look destined for big things when he joined Celtic, but things have gone backwards for him since. I hope he can resurrect his career somewhere.

[BSEJVT]

Thought he deserved a thread of his own, the guy was a pleasure to watch at times, a genius when on top form.

Circumstances have interrupted what I'd have loved to have been a longer period as a Hibs player.

Good luck to him, and more importantly good health too. :not worth:not worth:not worth

Says it all

Good luck Scott and thanks for some great memories

[BoltonHibernian]

Thought he deserved a thread of his own, the guy was a pleasure to watch at times, a genius when on top form.

Circumstances have interupted what i'd have loved to have been a longer period as a Hibs player.

Good luck to him, and more importantly good health too. :not worth:not worth:not worth

[emoji817]gutted but all the best for the future [emoji172]


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[Vault Boy]

I love Scott Allan

[Northernhibee]

Pretty much single handedly ended Ian Black’s hard man image within 25 minutes of the 4-0 game. Countless good memories.

Cheers Scotty 👍

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Totally agree with blackpoolhibs on this. Really sad the way his time at Hibs ended. One of my favourite players of all time. His performance in the 4–0 game against the Huns is as good as I’ve seen. All the best for the future Scotty.

I was going to post re that game but assumed it would already have been mentioned. 🖒

[Mick O'Rourke]

.My best wishes to Scott for his future

A very talented and intelligent footballer.
His determination we hope can be an inspiration to other young men and women.
His courage and bravery was evident and of course his trust in those who helped him along the way,medical and football professionals alike.
Thank you Scott for some great football memories in your time at Hibernian.
You were an outstanding player.

.

[makaveli1875]

Sad to see him go . On his day he was outstanding . Some of the passes he used to make were outrageous . All the best scotty

[HendoDelivered]

A joy to watch. One of my favourite ever players. The trio of Scotty, Dylan and SJM was sensational.

[Pretty Boy]

McGinn, McGeouch and Allan was everything a Hibs midfield should aspire to be. Both as individuals and particularly together they were a joy to watch. If we had been able to keep them together for one more season it's a real what might have been.

Anyway, good luck to Scott. His redemptive arc at Hibs was great to see. A joy to watch on his day and I hope he continues his career successfully elsewhere.

[Sir David Gray]

Based on Allan's tweet and his obvious admiration for Leeann Dempster I wouldn't be surprised to see him at Queen's Park next season.

I think that would be a cracking move for everyone concerned.

[ronaldo7]

He was one of my dream players. His footballing ability was outstanding. If only we could have put Scott Brown's engine in there. Then again, we wouldn't have been able to afford him.

Thanks for the memories Scotty.

[HibbyAndy]

Brilliant player eh , On his day the guy was unplayable , The through balls were breathtaking that other players just could not see was on

All the best Scotty Allan , One of my favourite players , He just oozed class

[B.H.F.C]

Will be interested to see where he goes and how he does. Still think he could have offered us something last season if he’d just had that bit more time on the pitch. The one wee spell he did have in the team he was playing well and contributing. In the end he just had that little game time he was never going to have any kind of sharpness.

Hope he goes on to play some football.

[hibsfan7]

His performance of the thrashing of rangers 4-0 in 2014 was WORLD CLASS

[hibee_girl]

Another one we were lucky to get the best out of. He was outstanding on his day.

Sad his time at Hibs has ended but hopefully he can go on to play somewhere else.

[supermcginn]

Fantastic player, very sad to see him go.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Although it was obvious for the last 6 months or so that his time with us was up, it was pretty gutting to see the post from Hibs today. One of my all time favourite Hibs players and I doubt we will see someone with his eye for a pass and ability to pull it off for a while.

[cameronw-hfc]

Not often I'll admit anyone from Hibs or this level had any world class attributes, Scotty did. He didn't have it all, he was flawed but he was our flawed genius. Feel honoured to have watched him play over 100 games for us

[Eaststand]

A joy to watch. One of my favourite ever players. The trio of Scotty, Dylan and SJM was sensational.

Word for word how I feel too.
Scott Allans displays were simply superb alongside those other great players.

All the best for your future Scott 👍

GGTTH

[snedzuk]

I love Scott Allan

Says it all

[Big_Franck]

One of my favourite Hibs players. When he was fit and on form that midfield of him, McGinn and McGeouch were unreal. The times around our 2-1 win at Ibrox (McGinn and McLaren scored) or our 4-0 home win over Rangers were two of the best periods of form of his career. He played his best football with us and it was a privilege to watch the lad. Good luck with whatever you go on to next.

[Jones28]

That goal against hearts was footballing heaven, always welcome at ER Scott

[Kato]

That goal against hearts was footballing heaven, always welcome at ER ScottHis looped cross at Tynie when he took a chance that Boyle would be in the centre - he has a little peek to see if it comes off then a chuckle when it does. I chuckled along with him.

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[Keith_M]

Thought he deserved a thread of his own, the guy was a pleasure to watch at times, a genius when on top form.

Circumstances have interupted what i'd have loved to have been a longer period as a Hibs player.

Good luck to him, and more importantly good health too. :not worth:not worth:not worth



:top marks

[Bostonhibby]

Cracking footballer when he was able to play.
There always had to be a place in a Hibs team for a boy this talented when he is fit.

Good memories but sadly not enough of them.

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[cameronw-hfc]

Scotty infamously said he's hated by everyone etc and gave a pretty funny explanation along the lines of

"Dundee fans hate me because I played for UTD, Utd fans hate me because I played for Dundee, Hibs fans hate me because I left, Celtic fans hate me because im a rangers fan and Rangers fans hate me because I played for Celtic"

Well, he's put a right to one of those wrongs and he can now say he's loved by one of those sets of fans. Everyone else might hate you Scotty, but you've always got a home at ER.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Really gifted footballer and some of the performances were a joy to watch. He will know that some of his best career performances were in a Hibs shirt.

[Cod Boy]

Pleasure to have watched you play Scott
Get yourself down to Fleetwood so I can still cheer you on.

[gbhibby]

https://twitter.com/ScottAllan_/status/1532356616586153985?t=TezULd6itRD9OLvE6TIM-A&s=19
Touch of class Scott just like the way you play the game


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[PeeJay]

Sorry to see an inspiring footballer, both on and off the field, leave us - on the field and on his day, he was a superb and skilful player while, off the field, his fight back to recovery from what he calls a dark place was also inspiring ... all the best to a fine player

[Frazerbob]

Had the pleasure of Scott’s company at the recent Sponsor’s night. Lovely guy and was genuinely appreciative of the support us fans have given him over the years. It was clear he has grown to love our club. He was very vocal about the contribution Leeane made to the club and said the place hadn’t been the same since she left. I too would not be shocked to see him turn our for Queens Park although he may be looking for s bigger club.

[weecounty hibby]

Great player when fit and on his game. Some of passing was superb. Was a huge part in one of my best nights at ER when he scored in the 2-0 win over the tarts. Was in hospitality and it was just brilliant. Sadly his illness seems to have caught up with him and I think maybe the championship is where he'll end up playing. All the best to him wherever he ends up

[JimBHibees]

Wish Scotty all the best. Fantastic talent and huge bravery to deal with the obstacles put in his way health wise. Wish him a great few years left of his career but more importantly a long healthy and happy life. :not worth

[MWHIBBIES]

Desperately wish he'd never left for celtic. That wasted 4 years of his career and definitely didn't help his fitness.

Great player, pleasure to watch him. Wish him all the best

[Percy Vere]

This lad can spot a pass that very few others would spot or even imagine. Truly a class act. One of my favourite all time Hibs players. I hope he finds another club who will appreciate his talents and he can maintain the good health to enjoy it. Good luck Scotty and thanks for being a Hibs player.

[CL0762]

Scott’s been dealt a very poor hand by the club in the last 18-24 months and I think it’s telling he thanks the previous CEO & only some of the prior management.

An absolute class act on the ball, seen things no one else did and definitely played like he wanted to make up for the huns scenario in 2015.

All the best Scott, always a place at ER for you.

[easty]

Scott’s been dealt a very poor hand by the club in the last 18-24 months and I think it’s telling he thanks the previous CEO & only some of the prior management.

An absolute class act on the ball, seen things no one else did and definitely played like he wanted to make up for the huns scenario in 2015.

All the best Scott, always a place at ER for you.

In what way has he been dealt a poor hand by the club?

[CL0762]

In what way has he been dealt a poor hand by the club?

The way he was treated contract wise during his illness, from what I’ve heard wasn’t very empathetic to his situation.

[JimBHibees]

The way he was treated contract wise during his illness, from what I’ve heard wasn’t very empathetic to his situation.

Sounded like Hibs did everything they could in terms of sending him to specialists.

[Since452]

It's a pitty he didn't stay at the start of the 2015/16 season. Instead of just being a player with exceptional ability, he could have been a legend as well. On his day he was a pleasure to watch. All the best to him.

[easty]

The way he was treated contract wise during his illness, from what I’ve heard wasn’t very empathetic to his situation.

What have you heard? If we treated him internally within the club differently from how it looked from the outside, I’d like to hear about it.

Looked like we supported him by getting him to specialists, and the club was very private about it all.

[worcesterhibby]

Great OP and subsequent posts, but amazed that no one has mentioned his hair. Scotty’s flowing locks catching the Easter Road sunshine as he pirouetted and caressed a reverse pass into the box leaving defenders flat footed was one of the most intrinsically beautiful sights to be seen at ER in the last 30 years.

[Eyrie]

Allan's ability to not just see but deliver a killer pass is a great example of why football is called the beautiful game.

It's a pity that his time here has been curtailed by injury and illness.

[The_Exile]

An absolutel priveldge to watch him play, when he was at his best he was absolutely unplayable. As a fellow type 1 diabetic I was in awe of him, as I know how difficult it is to balance everything behind the scenes to maintain fitness and performance, the dedication he must've shown Monday to Friday would've been immense. All the best to him whatever the next chapter is. :not worth

[CL0762]

Sounded like Hibs did everything they could in terms of sending him to specialists.

Yeah, in terms of his illness he was given all the support he needed and seen the best people regarding his condition.

But what I’ve heard is they tried to force Scott into accepting a reduced/amended contract due to his condition, along the lines of a wage cut.

It’s one of the reasons he didn’t play towards the end of the season, even though stevie wonder could see we would’ve done better with him than without.

[dp00]

Yeah, in terms of his illness he was given all the support he needed and seen the best people regarding his condition.

But what I’ve heard is they tried to force Scott into accepting a reduced/amended contract due to his condition, along the lines of a wage cut.

It’s one of the reasons he didn’t play towards the end of the season, even though stevie wonder could see we would’ve done better with him than without.

Hope this is not true. I did think his statement was having a little dig at someone tho. A great player for us and im sure he will go play somewhere regularly and get back to enjoying his football


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[CapitalGreen]

Yeah, in terms of his illness he was given all the support he needed and seen the best people regarding his condition.

But what I’ve heard is they tried to force Scott into accepting a reduced/amended contract due to his condition, along the lines of a wage cut.

It’s one of the reasons he didn’t play towards the end of the season, even though stevie wonder could see we would’ve done better with him than without.

He wasn’t playing towards the end of the season because he wouldn’t accept a new reduced contract even though his existing contract was just about to expire?

[h185forever]

My type of footballer, my type of man..ahem !!….just oozes class in everything he did/does.

I’m just glad he had the opportunity to wear our green and for me he goes into a select group of Hibs players I’ve seen over the years whom I hold in high regard.

Thank you for the memories Scott and good luck in your next venture.

[hibee-boys]

I’ll struggle to get my daughters to games now that Scott is away😏

[WeeRussell]

Hope this is not true. I did think his statement was having a little dig at someone tho. A great player for us and im sure he will go play somewhere regularly and get back to enjoying his football


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You could be right but I didn’t read it as a dig - just an honest and heartfelt statement where he mentioned a few select people that he specifically wanted to highlight in his thanks.

[CL0762]

He wasn’t playing towards the end of the season because he wouldn’t accept a new reduced contract even though his existing contract was just about to expire?

His contract had an automatic extension if he played a certain amount of games.

The other part was a long time ago when his illness was affecting his ability to play.

[CapitalGreen]

His contract had an automatic extension if he played a certain amount of games.

The other part was a long time ago when his illness was affecting his ability to play.

You said it was one of the reasons he wasn’t playing towards the end of the season, now you are saying it was actually a long time ago.

If he really did have an extension trigger in his contract (which I doubt), it’s sensible that we avoided triggering it. We can’t afford to have one of our highest earners not contributing for another season. His freed up wage will hopefully allow LJ to bring in a new creative midfielder. In any case, if such a trigger did exist, would Allan really have taken it up when according to his statement he clearly believes he can get regular first team football elsewhere?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Scott’s been dealt a very poor hand by the club in the last 18-24 months and I think it’s telling he thanks the previous CEO & only some of the prior management.

An absolute class act on the ball, seen things no one else did and definitely played like he wanted to make up for the huns scenario in 2015.

All the best Scott, always a place at ER for you.

You mean the club that stood by him through the heath issues and supported him 100% and honoured a contract they could have walked away from?

[hibbyfraelibby]

Yeah, in terms of his illness he was given all the support he needed and seen the best people regarding his condition.

But what I’ve heard is they tried to force Scott into accepting a reduced/amended contract due to his condition, along the lines of a wage cut.

It’s one of the reasons he didn’t play towards the end of the season, even though stevie wonder could see we would’ve done better with him than without.

Heard from where? Scotty himself? No source no credibility.

[He's here!]

All the best to Scott. Hugely exciting player on his day and such a shame health issues have compromised his career. Being unable to call on his services hugely impacted on Hibs' style of play IMHO. That first spell under Stubbs and when he first came back under Lennon were magical.

[Bridge hibs]

Im gutted, seeing all those photos of him wearing our great colours and knowing we wont see them again 😔

[CL0762]

You mean the club that stood by him through the heath issues and supported him 100% and honoured a contract they could have walked away from?

Well no, they couldn’t have walked away from it. And like I’ve said, medically they supported him but in other aspects they attempted to shaft him.


Heard from where? Scotty himself? No source no credibility.

Aye no bother mate, I’ll just keep things to myself in future because hibbyfraelibby says there’s no credibility because as always in these scenarios, no one would ever name their source. Maybe if some folk at the club learned to keep their mouths shut, this sort of information wouldn’t be spoken of.

Did you miss Johnson talking to the podcast guys about inside information being known?

[keep the faith]

His contract had an automatic extension if he played a certain amount of games.

The other part was a long time ago when his illness was affecting his ability to play.

Definitely feels we have lost a bit of the soul of the club recently and Scotty, Kenny Miller, Sue Mclernon etc hint at this. We need Hibs DNA right through the club again.

Personally gutted Scotty is away and would actually be quite angry if he was kept on the bench during all these games this season where we had no attacking edge- to avoid triggering his new contract. That's cheap on the player and cheating the fans. Absolutely lost us points too.

Good luck Scott in your next move. My favourite player of recent times. Always a hibee and I have a feeling we will regret letting you go.

[Frazerbob]

Yeah, in terms of his illness he was given all the support he needed and seen the best people regarding his condition.

But what I’ve heard is they tried to force Scott into accepting a reduced/amended contract due to his condition, along the lines of a wage cut.

It’s one of the reasons he didn’t play towards the end of the season, even though stevie wonder could see we would’ve done better with him than without.

Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.

[keep the faith]

Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.

I always felt there was something bigger at play last season. Really poor this if true, as hibs were very happy to utilise Allan's poularity on social media posts while not playing him for fear or having to pay up. Not the way to treat someone who cares about the club.

[FRes Hibbie]

McGinn, McGeouch and Allan was everything a Hibs midfield should aspire to be. Both as individuals and particularly together they were a joy to watch. If we had been able to keep them together for one more season it's a real what might have been.

Anyway, good luck to Scott. His redemptive arc at Hibs was great to see. A joy to watch on his day and I hope he continues his career successfully elsewhere.

Second half of that season was superb. We knew McGinn and McGeouch were good but results and performances had been largely inconsistent in the first half of the season. As soon as Allan was added to midfield it felt like we controlled every game for the rest of the season. Those three dovetailed so well.

[Hibiza]

All the best , Scotty - diff class.

[MWHIBBIES]

Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.


This actually makes sense. I really didn't and still don't buy into the idea he is finished.

[Bostonhibby]

Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.There's a ring of truth to this, and if correct and he was fit and able to play it's a great shame as he's undoubtedly one of our most creative and attack minded players when everything's right.

All the best for the future, thanks for the memories.

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[J-C]

His contract had an automatic extension if he played a certain amount of games.

The other part was a long time ago when his illness was affecting his ability to play.


Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.


These snippets answer a good few questions I and others may have had regarding his severe lack of game time this season and if true is a bit of a concern about certain aspects of the running of the club.

[Pretty Boy]

A lot of questions re Allan will be answered as and when he starts playing football again next season.

I don't doubt he believed himself to be fit and healthy but when he did appear he definitely looked like he had lost something. There were a couple of games in which players were just walking past him. Obviously not getting a run of games played a part in that though.

I don't doubt his contract situation played a part, maybe the decision not to play him was easier than it would have been had he been performing at his best though. If he tears it up at somewhere like Motherwell next season then we have an answer, equally if he struggles and warms the bench elsewhere we also get an answer.

[B.H.F.C]

A lot of questions re Allan will be answered as and when he starts playing football again next season.

I don't doubt he believed himself to be fit and healthy but when he did appear he definitely looked like he had lost something. There were a couple of games in which players were just walking past him. Obviously not getting a run of games played a part in that though.

I don't doubt his contract situation played a part, maybe the decision not to play him was easier than it would have been had he been performing at his best though. If he tears it up at somewhere like Motherwell next season then we have an answer, equally if he struggles and warms the bench elsewhere we also get an answer.

Other than a wee bit sharpness I didn’t think he looked off it in the early part of the season. The one wee run he got he did well and was contributing.

By February til the end of the season he’d played that little that when he did got on the pitch he didn’t have it.

Will play somewhere and contribute next season, no doubt IMO.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.

That's quite a disappointing thing to read.

[Sir David Gray]

Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.

If that's correct (which I don't doubt at all) then it's really disappointing and just another thing to add to the alarm bells which are ringing for me.

Hope Scott Allan proves anyone wrong who wrote him off at Hibs.

[Jim44]

That's quite a disappointing thing to read.


If that's correct (which I don't doubt at all) then it's really disappointing and just another thing to add to the alarm bells which are ringing for me.

Hope Scott Allan proves anyone wrong who wrote him off at Hibs.

If true, worrying thing to read about our owner and his admin. team. More fuel to the smoking embers which don’t show up RG in a good light.

[JohnM1875]

Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.

Doesn't sound good at all. But at the end of the day surely it would be down to the manager to play Allan right? Maloney even started him in his first game I'm sure.

[CapitalGreen]

A lot of questions re Allan will be answered as and when he starts playing football again next season.

I don't doubt he believed himself to be fit and healthy but when he did appear he definitely looked like he had lost something. There were a couple of games in which players were just walking past him. Obviously not getting a run of games played a part in that though.

I don't doubt his contract situation played a part, maybe the decision not to play him was easier than it would have been had he been performing at his best though. If he tears it up at somewhere like Motherwell next season then we have an answer, equally if he struggles and warms the bench elsewhere we also get an answer.

There’s nothing I’d like more than to watch a fully fit and firing Scott Allan playing for us but people are kidding themselves if they think that still exists.

Maloney brought him off the bench 3 times in a fortnight and he got booked on all 3 occasions (v Celtic, St J’s & Motherwell). The bookings against Celtic and St Johnstone were situations like you describe PB where a player who had been on the pitch for 80-90 minutes ghosted past Allan who had not long been on and he hauled them down. Those games subsequently turned out to be his last for the club.

As for Jack Ross, it was also clear he no longer had much faith in Allan starting games. He subbed him off at half time in the 3-0 home defeat to Dun Utd and then he didn’t start another game while Ross was here, coming off the bench 6 times in JR’s remaining 8 games featuring for just 134 minutes of a possible 720.

[ancient hibee]

I've heard of plenty instances of a player not being picked so as to avoid paying him a bonus but I've never,ever heard of a player's existing contract being amended because he has missed games and would very much doubt that any player or his agent would accept a change in an existing contract to the detriment of the player.There is no way you can be forced to accept a poorer contract than the still valid better one that you have.

[Unseen work]

It’s a funny one for me, at the start of the season he was the first pick number 10 but picked up an injury and Magennis came in and done brilliant.

Since then his appearances have been rare, at times he comes on and looks miles past it but I can’t help but think what chance does he have. He won’t play at all for 3/4 games then he’s chucked on with 10 minutes to go when we’re losing expecting to get us back in the game? Of course he’s going to look off of it.

Some of his assists this season were outstanding and he’s still got alot considering his lack of games.

I’ve no doubt he’ll sign for a team and every now and again will produce the assist we all know he can and questions will be asked.

I was stunned at the lack of game time he was getting especially since we had no cutting edge whatsoever so the reports seem to have some substance at least.

[cameronw-hfc]

Doesn't sound good at all. But at the end of the day surely it would be down to the manager to play Allan right? Maloney even started him in his first game I'm sure.


Didn't maloney say he couldn't speak to Allans absence at the Q&A? Could be because of reasons said

[Frazerbob]

Didn't maloney say he couldn't speak to Allans absence at the Q&A? Could be because of reasons said

Everyone assumed it was confidentiality regarding his health. Perhaps not?

[JimBHibees]

Got to be said Scotty has looked well off it however certainly should have got more time

[MWHIBBIES]

Got to be said Scotty has looked well off it however certainly should have got more time

I'm really not seeing when he even got the chance to look well off it, he hardly played. If he looked sluggish it could be entirely put down to not being match fit. He looked pretty poor when he first joined us after months not playing back in 2014, took him a wee while to get going.

[BILLYHIBS]

Must have been difficult for Maloney

We have just sold our best player ( Boyle ) and you can’t play Scott Allan because it will cost us money

[Since452]

I thought he would have been brilliant at Celtic with them dominating possession and probing. His vision is second to none. Was convinced he'd be a star there.

[B.H.F.C]

It’s a funny one for me, at the start of the season he was the first pick number 10 but picked up an injury and Magennis came in and done brilliant.

Don’t think that’s accurate.

Started in the first European game and was subbed when Newell was sent off. Magennis did get in and do well but Allan was available. And Allan did do well in the same team as Magennis at times, in the early part of the season.

[cameronw-hfc]

Don’t think that’s accurate.

Started in the first European game and was subbed when Newell was sent off. Magennis did get in and do well but Allan was available. And Allan did do well in the same team as Magennis at times, in the early part of the season.

Allan is more of a creator as well, Kyle is more of a dynamic #10 that will pick up goals and get into the box, similar to Mcginn for Scotland. Think Magennis suited Ross' more direct style a lot more than Allan.

[Brightside]

Scott was amazing in bits a few years back. A pleasure to watch. But that player is long gone. He won’t feature in the prem anytime soon.

[May21/05/16]

Scott was amazing in bits a few years back. A pleasure to watch. But that player is long gone. He won’t feature in the prem anytime soon.100 % agree with this post its unfortunate but scott has had a wonderful career

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[southern hibby]

Not sure why but I have it in the back of my mind we did the same with John O’Neil. Was playing pretty good for us and if he got to play so many games he got a years extension and coming up to those number of games, we dropped him rather than triggering a new contract.

Or am I just imagining this ( how my memory remembers so much and yet so little as I get older )?

GGTTH

[Unseen work]

Don’t think that’s accurate.

Started in the first European game and was subbed when Newell was sent off. Magennis did get in and do well but Allan was available. And Allan did do well in the same team as Magennis at times, in the early part of the season.

You’re right about the red and him getting subbed actually but he definitely picked up a knock/had some form of issue which kept him out the following games.

[MWHIBBIES]

100 % agree with this post its unfortunate but scott has had a wonderful career

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Purely for the talent he has, I'd say he's had a pretty awful career. Health and that move to Celtic screwed him.

[McD]

Not sure why but I have it in the back of my mind we did the same with John O’Neil. Was playing pretty good for us and if he got to play so many games he got a years extension and coming up to those number of games, we dropped him rather than triggering a new contract.

Or am I just imagining this ( how my memory remembers so much and yet so little as I get older )?

GGTTH


i thought the situation with O’Neill was that his contract stipulated a £3k appearance fee, so Williamson was instructed not to select him as we had some severe financial issues at that time, the excess of McLeish’s time coming to bear

[Allant1981]

You cant just adjust the terms of someones contract, a lawyer would have a field day with that, football is always different when it come to things but cant see a club just deciding to change his contract without him agreeing to it, not saying something hasnt happened but cant see that being true

[Zambernardi1875]

Purely for the talent he has, I'd say he's had a pretty awful career. Health and that move to Celtic screwed him.

Peter Houston ruined him, forced him to leave Utd for a terrible move to West Brom, out of all the top kids to have great careers at that time at Utd he was the best

[Since90+2]

Purely for the talent he has, I'd say he's had a pretty awful career. Health and that move to Celtic screwed him.

I'd say considering he's a type 1 diabetic he's had a pretty good career. You can't seperate the talent and health issues, they are instrinsically linked.

[MWHIBBIES]

Peter Houston ruined him, forced him to leave Utd for a terrible move to West Brom, out of all the top kids to have great careers at that time at Utd he was the best

Na, he was 23/24 at Hibs the first time, could've done whatever he wanted. World at his feet really. Playing brilliantly. He chose to go to Celtic and sit on the bench offering nothing for 4 years, and didn't exactly force a move away from them.

He played around 50 games in 4 years, probably plenty of them as a sub as well for Rotherham, Hibs and Dundee on loans with long periods doing nothing in between. Considering he is already hindered by a health condition, that was a stupid thing to do for his career. He should've renewed, stayed at Hibs and followed the path of many others who have stayed here, learned their trade and went down south or even to the OF when they were ready. He made an arse of it that summer and it really hurt his career.

I think he'd be the first to admit his best times were at Hibs and he made a mistake leaving in 2015.


I'd say considering he's a type 1 diabetic he's had a pretty good career. You can't seperate the talent and health issues, they are instrinsically linked.

That is true. I do not know how badly it has effected him and how much it has held him back, so I cant really comment.

[BILLYHIBS]

Would have loved it if Scotty had stayed with us and no had his heid turned by the Uglies and had won the Scottish Cup with us

Quality player in his prime

[JimBHibees]

Peter Houston ruined him, forced him to leave Utd for a terrible move to West Brom, out of all the top kids to have great careers at that time at Utd he was the best

Don't think that is right it was Scott and his agent who were pushing for the move. Houston was adamant he was too young and inexperienced to move as he had only played a handful of games.

[Eyrie]

Don't think that is right it was Scott and his agent who were pushing for the move. Houston was adamant he was too young and inexperienced to move as he had only played a handful of games.

The Dundee United fans always gave him a hostile reception for that reason.

[JimBHibees]

The Dundee United fans always gave him a hostile reception for that reason.

:agree:

[Pretty Boy]

Not sure why but I have it in the back of my mind we did the same with John O’Neil. Was playing pretty good for us and if he got to play so many games he got a years extension and coming up to those number of games, we dropped him rather than triggering a new contract.

Or am I just imagining this ( how my memory remembers so much and yet so little as I get older )?

GGTTH

Something similar happened with Paul Fenwick. There was a contractual issue that meant he was available but couldn't play.

Iirc he came on here at one point and directly challenged someone who referred to him as a 'wage thief' or similar.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Didn't maloney say he couldn't speak to Allans absence at the Q&A? Could be because of reasons said

...or just an employer maintaining confidentially about an employee's health and exercising their duty of care?

[Billy Whizz]

Something similar happened with Paul Fenwick. There was a contractual issue that meant he was available but couldn't play.

Iirc he came on here at one point and directly challenged someone who referred to him as a 'wage thief' or similar.

And Tam McManus

[southern hibby]

i thought the situation with O’Neill was that his contract stipulated a £3k appearance fee, so Williamson was instructed not to select him as we had some severe financial issues at that time, the excess of McLeish’s time coming to bear

McD,

You could well be correct. Either way it suggests Hibs have previous for stopping players going on the pitch to save money.

GGTTH

[Billy Whizz]

McD,

You could well be correct. Either way it suggests Hibs have previous for stopping players going on the pitch to save money.

GGTTH

I think when Setanta collapsed, Hibs tried to reduce their wage bill. Players with heavy appearance monies in their contract, like O’Neill and McManus, just weren’t selected
Not exactly sure if this is the same situation with Allan?

[CL0762]

I think when Setanta collapsed, Hibs tried to reduce their wage bill. Players with heavy appearance monies in their contract, like O’Neill and McManus, just weren’t selected
Not exactly sure if this is the same situation with Allan?

Setanta was long after the likes of O’Neill etc being at the club, wasn’t it?

[Zambernardi1875]

Don't think that is right it was Scott and his agent who were pushing for the move. Houston was adamant he was too young and inexperienced to move as he had only played a handful of games.

Nah he was wanting to stay and Houston made it public

[Zambernardi1875]

Na, he was 23/24 at Hibs the first time, could've done whatever he wanted. World at his feet really. Playing brilliantly. He chose to go to Celtic and sit on the bench offering nothing for 4 years, and didn't exactly force a move away from them.

He played around 50 games in 4 years, probably plenty of them as a sub as well for Rotherham, Hibs and Dundee on loans with long periods doing nothing in between. Considering he is already hindered by a health condition, that was a stupid thing to do for his career. He should've renewed, stayed at Hibs and followed the path of many others who have stayed here, learned their trade and went down south or even to the OF when they were ready. He made an arse of it that summer and it really hurt his career.

I think he'd be the first to admit his best times were at Hibs and he made a mistake leaving in 2015.



That is true. I do not know how badly it has effected him and how much it has held him back, so I cant really comment.

If he didn’t have health conditions I’d agree but a 4 year contract at Celtic probably set him up well compared to anything Hibs offered. With him thinking his career could be over anytime. At that time he shoulda been getting more games at Celtic,

[Smartie]

Setanta was long after the likes of O’Neill etc being at the club, wasn’t it?

No, I think the 2 were indirectly linked.

The Setanta business put a lot of clubs into trouble. They were giving Scottish football a fair chunk of cash and the clubs were throwing it around accordingly.

When Setanta went pop the clubs had to rein it in big time. Hibs were one of the first to cotton on but it meant pretty poor treatment for decent players like O’Neil and Fenwick.

[marinello59]

Purely for the talent he has, I'd say he's had a pretty awful career. Health and that move to Celtic screwed him.

Or you could say despite his health issues he has had a more than decent career.
He has played a lot of games for a club he was genuinely happy to be at and has made memories for the fans that will live on for decades. The way he has dealt with his illness and still managed to play at a high level has been truly inspirational. By those measures he should be fairly satisfied with what he has achieved.

[CapitalGreen]

Nah he was wanting to stay and Houston made it public

Yeah he claimed he didn’t want to leave while asking for wages he knew Dun Utd would never be able to give him.

Loved him as a player for us, but his time as a whole is reflective of a number of bad career decisions.

[MWHIBBIES]

Or you could say despite his health issues he has had a more than decent career.
He has played a lot of games for a club he was genuinely happy to be at and has made memories for the fans that will live on for decades. The way he has dealt with his illness and still managed to play at a high level has been truly inspirational. By those measures he should be fairly satisfied with what he has achieved.
Yes, I said purely for the talent he has, and also mentioned that his health condition held him back.

PURELY based on his ability and nothing else, he absolutely underachieved. When you consider his health conditions, its a different matter.



If he didn’t have health conditions I’d agree but a 4 year contract at Celtic probably set him up well compared to anything Hibs offered. With him thinking his career could be over anytime. At that time he shoulda been getting more games at Celtic,

A 4 year deal as a Celtic reserve wont have set him up much better than a career at Hibs would've. Diabetes wasn't going to end his career. Even the heart condition hasn't ended his career. He was never a better player than Rogic so he wasn't ever likely to be getting more time at Celtic.

[Mcbizz1998]

The right decision to move him on but a real sense of sadness at this news, and the thought of what might have been. He undoubtedly gave us some fantastic moments in a Hjbs shirt, his goal against Hearts the standout for me but if it weren’t for a multitude of factors, I tend to think he could have ended up being one of our greatest ever players.

Never the less, thank you Scotty!

[Since90+2]

Yes, I said purely for the talent he has, and also mentioned that his health condition held him back.

PURELY based on his ability and nothing else, he absolutely underachieved. When you consider his health conditions, its a different matter.




A 4 year deal as a Celtic reserve wont have set him up much better than a career at Hibs would've. Diabetes wasn't going to end his career. Even the heart condition hasn't ended his career. He was never a better player than Rogic so he wasn't ever likely to be getting more time at Celtic.

His deal at Celtic would absolutely have set him up far better than anything Hibs could have offered. It wouldn't even have been close, if we are talking purely financial that is.

[MWHIBBIES]

His deal at Celtic would absolutely have set him up far better than anything Hibs could have offered. It wouldn't even have been close, if we are talking purely financial that is.

Would it? I don't really know but I don't think Celtic would've been paying him say, 10k. I think he'd have been on 5/6k, which is more than we would offer, but not more than he would've got had he had another 2/3 good years at Hibs.

It was a dreadful career move. A decent financial one short term maybe, but not the type of money that he can live off forever. Boyle and McGinn showed what happens when you get the head down, work hard and earn it.

[cameronw-hfc]

Yeah he claimed he didn’t want to leave while asking for wages he knew Dun Utd would never be able to give him.

Loved him as a player for us, but his time as a whole is reflective of a number of bad career decisions.


There's been a few stories since then from Utd fans that Scotty asked for a normal wage and Houston treated him like crap because he was a kid. Nothing to do with asking for unreasonable wages. By all accounts, every version of the UTD saga seems to point at Houston treated a young Allan shockingly rather than Allan being a pain.

[CapitalGreen]

There's been a few stories since then from Utd fans that Scotty asked for a normal wage and Houston treated him like crap because he was a kid. Nothing to do with asking for unreasonable wages. By all accounts, every version of the UTD saga seems to point at Houston treated a young Allan shockingly rather than Allan being a pain.

What denotes a “normal wage” for a player with only 9 senior appearances is probably quite subjective.

[WeeRussell]

I don’t think Allan can really be criticised for deciding to take the offer to move to the champions of Scotland for a lot more money than we were paying him to play in the second tier at the time. His wanting to move to Rangers at the time and the way he handled it is perhaps another matter.

How many players have we had that turned down offers from the old firm to stay at Hibs in any circumstances?

The fact he’s since struggled with severely hampering health issues, and Peter Houston being a dick when he was young doesn’t equate to him making awful career decisions for me.

[cameronw-hfc]

What denotes a “normal wage” for a player with only 9 senior appearances is probably quite subjective.

It is, but I think the claims that he wanted more than UTD could pay is a bit ott. More that he asked for a normal wage of a first teamer and instead of dealing with it in-house Houston went public and forced him out.

Whether he deserved the wage is another story, but there's a big difference between asking for a similar wage to your team mates to asking for a wage the club can't afford

[CapitalGreen]

It is, but I think the claims that he wanted more than UTD could pay is a bit ott. More that he asked for a normal wage of a first teamer and instead of dealing with it in-house Houston went public and forced him out.

Whether he deserved the wage is another story, but there's a big difference between asking for a similar wage to your team mates to asking for a wage the club can't afford

It’s not as simple as that though, if United had sanctioned a top first team wage for a teenager with just 3 first team appearances they would have had every other player knocking at the chairman’s door asking for a wage rise.

[J-C]

It’s not as simple as that though, if United had sanctioned a top first team wage for a teenager with just 3 first team appearances they would have had every other player knocking at the chairman’s door asking for a wage rise.


Did we not recently give Doig a pay rise due to him now being a 1st team regular?

[CapitalGreen]

Did we not recently give Doig a pay rise due to him now being a 1st team regular?

Maybe I’m missing the point you’re trying to make but I’m not sure of the relevance of Josh Doig being given a new contract having played nearly 80 senior games to a discussion about Scott Allan asking to be made a top earner at Dundee United after just 3 games?

[Zambernardi1875]

Maybe I’m missing the point you’re trying to make but I’m not sure of the relevance of Josh Doig being given a new contract having played nearly 80 senior games to a discussion about Scott Allan asking to be made a top earner at Dundee United after just 3 games?

Did he ask to be a top earner at Utd?

[jacomo]

Scotty was a joy in a Hibs shirt. He brought that maverick quality to our play that we all want to see.

I wish him the very best in his future career.

[LaMotta]

Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.

This makes complete sense to anyone with eyes who was amazed at his lack of game time in the second half of the season. People on here and Twitter were perpetuating absolute myths to claim he wasn't capable of playing football anymore at Hibs level despite CLEAR evidence between August and December that he could.


This actually makes sense. I really didn't and still don't buy into the idea he is finished.

:agree:


There's a ring of truth to this, and if correct and he was fit and able to play it's a great shame as he's undoubtedly one of our most creative and attack minded players when everything's right.

All the best for the future, thanks for the memories.

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:agree:


These snippets answer a good few questions I and others may have had regarding his severe lack of game time this season and if true is a bit of a concern about certain aspects of the running of the club.

:agree:


There’s nothing I’d like more than to watch a fully fit and firing Scott Allan playing for us but people are kidding themselves if they think that still exists.

Maloney brought him off the bench 3 times in a fortnight and he got booked on all 3 occasions (v Celtic, St J’s & Motherwell). The bookings against Celtic and St Johnstone were situations like you describe PB where a player who had been on the pitch for 80-90 minutes ghosted past Allan who had not long been on and he hauled them down. Those games subsequently turned out to be his last for the club.

As for Jack Ross, it was also clear he no longer had much faith in Allan starting games. He subbed him off at half time in the 3-0 home defeat to Dun Utd and then he didn’t start another game while Ross was here, coming off the bench 6 times in JR’s remaining 8 games featuring for just 134 minutes of a possible 720.

Why are you posting a whole host of negative stats that don't even come close to telling the truth? Who cares about his bookings? Players get booked all the time - just ask Jake Doyle Hayes or Josh Campbell. Completely ignoring positives such as 5 assists and a goal before Christmas; his last start for us was in December V Aberdeen, which helped us beat Aberdeen for the only time last season; ignoring the fact that the most creative player left at the club in the second half of the season left rotting on the bench whilst a host of inferior players put in absolutely turgid performances during a spell where we failed to score in 7 out of 9 games?

We were only a couple of goals and points potentially away from European football this season - there is no doubt in my mind that playing Scott Allan more would have at the very least had us in the top six, and in with a huge shout of European football. The financial loss of Hibs finishing in the bottom six has been huge, and I cant see any reasonable scenario whereby it made more financial sense to deny Scott Allan additional bonus payments and let us plummet down the league through an inability to score. It was roughly £60k difference per league position in the middle of the table...how much did we save by not playing Allan I wonder?

[J-C]

Maybe I’m missing the point you’re trying to make but I’m not sure of the relevance of Josh Doig being given a new contract having played nearly 80 senior games to a discussion about Scott Allan asking to be made a top earner at Dundee United after just 3 games?


I don't think the amount of games means anything, Allan had been promoted to the 1st team squad and wanted some parity with the rest of that squad, Doig although now a regular 1st team squad player didn't ask for the pay rise but was given it to keep him happy, especially when his proposed move fell through in the summer (I'd assume he was on a pretty low wage compared to other squad members). Do we know that Allan asked to be top earner at United?

[CapitalGreen]

Why are you posting a whole host of negative stats that don't even come close to telling the truth? Who cares about his bookings? Players get booked all the time - just ask Jake Doyle Hayes or Josh Campbell. Completely ignoring positives such as 5 assists and a goal before Christmas; his last start for us was in December V Aberdeen, which helped us beat Aberdeen for the only time last season; ignoring the fact that the most creative player left at the club in the second half of the season left rotting on the bench whilst a host of inferior players put in absolutely turgid performances during a spell where we failed to score in 7 out of 9 games?

We were only a couple of goals and points potentially away from European football this season - there is no doubt in my mind that playing Scott Allan more would have at the very least had us in the top six, and in with a huge shout of European football. The financial loss of Hibs finishing in the bottom six has been huge, and I cant see any reasonable scenario whereby it made more financial sense to deny Scott Allan additional bonus payments and let us plummet down the league through an inability to score. It was roughly £60k difference per league position in the middle of the table...how much did we save by not playing Allan I wonder?

Not sure what the big rant was about, my post was clearly about how I believe both Ross and Maloney had lost faith in his ability to start games. If they hadn’t, they would have started him more instead of giving him a handful of minutes off the bench here and there.

[snedzuk]

Doesn't sound good at all. But at the end of the day surely it would be down to the manager to play Allan right? Maloney even started him in his first game I'm sure.

Played 60 mins against Aberdeen

[LaMotta]

Not sure what the big rant was about, my post was clearly about how I believe both Ross and Maloney had lost faith in his ability to start games. If they hadn’t, they would have started him more instead of giving him a handful of minutes off the bench here and there.

Did you completely miss the key talking point from this thread which is that the main reason Allan wasn't getting more starts was because the hierarchy at Hibs didn't want to give him a bonus payment? You are making out he justifiably want playing because he was no longer good enough - which wasn't true.

[jacomo]

Did you completely miss the key talking point from this thread which is that the main reason Allan wasn't getting more starts was because the hierarchy at Hibs didn't want to give him a bonus payment? You are making out he justifiably want playing because he was no longer good enough - which wasn't true.


To be fair, this is opinion not fact.

It’s quite a big claim to say Hibs didn’t play him only because they wanted to avoid triggering bonus payments in his contract.

[CapitalGreen]

Did you completely miss the key talking point from this thread which is that the main reason Allan wasn't getting more starts was because the hierarchy at Hibs didn't want to give him a bonus payment? You are making out he justifiably want playing because he was no longer good enough - which wasn't true.

Maybe I’m not as clued up as you on contracts but for the purposes of contract clauses and bonuses, appearances would include substitute appearances, no? Eg, a player coming off the bench will still receive an appearance fee.

As for your last sentence, I’m not justifying anything, I’m just stating my belief that both Ross and Maloney didn’t fancy him for a starting position and this was reflected in his gradually reduced game time under both managers. If Maloney and Ross both wanted him playing but there was a limit to how many games he could play, why didn’t they max out his game time before hitting that limit instead of giving him a few minutes of the bench?

[J-C]

Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.


Maybe I’m not as clued up as you on contracts but for the purposes of contract clauses and bonuses, appearances would include substitute appearances, no? Eg, a player coming off the bench will still receive an appearance fee.

As for your last sentence, I’m not justifying anything, I’m just stating my belief that both Ross and Maloney didn’t fancy him for a starting position and this was reflected in his gradually reduced game time under both managers. If Maloney and Ross both wanted him playing but there was a limit to how many games he could play, why didn’t they max out his game time before hitting that limit instead of giving him a few minutes of the bench?

See added post, maybe you missed it.

[CapitalGreen]

See added post, maybe you missed it.

I saw it. I’m not suggesting he didn’t have a clause which kept him out of games at the end of the season. I’m saying I don’t believe the clause was what stopped Ross and Maloney starting him earlier in the season when he was regularly coming of the bench (making an appearance). As somebody else said, it makes no logical sense if they had faith in him not to play him as the extra prize money would have likely covered any bonus payment due.

[Since452]

Pretty much what Scotty told me and a couple of others at the sponsors do. He discussed his situation in great detail, he didn't hold back. Suffice to say, he does not hold the Gordons in high esteem. According to him, due to playing too few games the season before last, they amended the terms of his contract and he was more or less forced to accept a new contract on reduced terms for last season. He accepted it as it had a clause that he would get a hefty bonus if he played a certain number of games last season, which would almost (but not entirely) make up the shortfall on the new terms. Scotty believes this is why he didn't get many games last season as he was fit and (contrary to popular opinion) able to play 90 minutes. His move to ICT was at his request as he wanted to prove his fitness. I believe he played every game during his loan spell there and picked up several MOTM awards. He was extremely critical of Ian Gordon and blames him for his lack of game time last season.

Did he play any full 90 minutes up there? Always seemed to be subbed off.

[Diclonius]

Bettered only by McGinn in midfield for me. Thanks for the memories mate.

[Sergio sledge]

We were only a couple of goals and points potentially away from European football this season - there is no doubt in my mind that playing Scott Allan more would have at the very least had us in the top six, and in with a huge shout of European football. The financial loss of Hibs finishing in the bottom six has been huge, and I cant see any reasonable scenario whereby it made more financial sense to deny Scott Allan additional bonus payments and let us plummet down the league through an inability to score. It was roughly £60k difference per league position in the middle of the table...how much did we save by not playing Allan I wonder?

Which is exactly why I don't believe that the Hibs hierarchy were ordering the manager not to play him, financially it makes no sense at all. Every man and his dog could see we were struggling for goals and creativity, a single goal could have been the difference between where we finished and finishing in the top 6 as a minimum with the extra prize money, gate and TV income that brings.

I don't doubt that Scott Allan maybe feels this played a part in his lack of game time, and I can understand him feeling this way and especially if he is feeling like he could still start games for us, but I don't think it is the case.

I think it is more likely that the managers just didn't see him fitting into the way they wanted to play. Maloney in particular wanted a possession based game, Scott gives the ball away too much for that style of play because he's always trying to create something which naturally leads to riskier lower percentage passes which don't always come off.

[LaMotta]

Which is exactly why I don't believe that the Hibs hierarchy we're ordering the manager not to play him, financially it makes no sense at all. Every man and his dog could see we were struggling for goals and creativity, a single goal could have been the difference between where we finished and finishing in the top 6 as a minimum with the extra prize money, gate and TV income that brings.

I don't doubt that Scott Allan maybe feels this played a part in his lack of game time, and I can understand him feeling this way and especially if he is feeling like he could still start games for us, but I don't think it is the case.

I think it is more likely that the managers just didn't see him fitting into the way they wanted to play. Maloney in particular wanted a possession based game, Scott gives the ball away too much for that style of play because he's always trying to create something which naturally leads to riskier lower percentage passes which don't always come off.

Could be right - that theory points to stubborness and incompetence from Maloney. Which is highly believable based on his time at Hibs.

[Greenio]

I always thought that JR ever played SA that much because, for a long time before our form dropped prior to xmas, we were winning a lot of games and the subs were about securing that lead, not trying to get level, which is when you would being someone like Scott on.

Anyway, all this chat is maybe taking away from an incredible contribution to the team and someone that clearly understands what it means to be hibs.

Good luck to him, he's got a lot left to offer the game yet I feel

[KWJ]

Played 60 mins against Aberdeen

And the best thing he did was just as he was subbed, think it was either a direct assist, secondary or a big chance created.

It felt like JR and SM were looking for reasons not to play him.

[JohnM1875]

Allan just posted a story of him and McGeough out training together. Crazy seeing two players who were so good for us both out of contract at 30 and 29 years old.

[A Hi-Bee]

Scott Allan, is the kind of player I will always wish to see play for Hibs, just a very, very good football player.
Good luck to him in the future in or out of the game.

[heretoday]

He was a trifle lightweight and disappointing for me. Hard not to like the guy.

[The Harp Awakes]

Allan just posted a story of him and McGeough out training together. Crazy seeing two players who were so good for us both out of contract at 30 and 29 years old.

It's quite incredible to consider both player's career together. 2 undoubted Scottish talents, who should have each played a shed load of games for the Scottish national team.

Why they didn't is due in part to injuries, but I do wonder why these players have not featured more at International level.

[Pretty Boy]

It's quite incredible to consider both player's career together. 2 undoubted Scottish talents, who should have each played a shed load of games for the Scottish national team.

Why they didn't is due in part to injuries, but I do wonder why these players have not featured more at International level.

McGeouch made an awful career decsion when he went to Sunderland. He was never going to be able to play the volume of games required in that league and the style of football was never going to play to his strengths either.

He got his 1st Scotland call up not long before that move and he was absolutely sublime to watch in the 2nd half of that season. The move to Sunderland was undoubtedly good for his bank balance, and I accept the importance of that, but it was terrible for his career.

A couple of years back I'd have given anything to have him back at ER. I'd still argue a prime McGeouch is a player we could do with but I'm just not sure that player exists now.

[CapitalGreen]

Allan just posted a story of him and McGeough out training together. Crazy seeing two players who were so good for us both out of contract at 30 and 29 years old.

Two players who’s careers could have been so much more if not for poor career choices.

[shamo9]

McGeouch made an awful career decsion when he went to Sunderland. He was never going to be able to play the volume of games required in that league and the style of football was never going to play to his strengths either.

He got his 1st Scotland call up not long before that move and he was absolutely sublime to watch in the 2nd half of that season. The move to Sunderland was undoubtedly good for his bank balance, and I accept the importance of that, but it was terrible for his career.

A couple of years back I'd have given anything to have him back at ER. I'd still argue a prime McGeouch is a player we could do with but I'm just not sure that player exists now.

Yeah, in hindsight you are correct. Some posters have implied that he didn't like Lennon so there was possibly more to it than money. He'd also been at Hibs for 4 years by then, a good chunk of his career. Out of all the midfielders from that era McGeouch had the equal longest tenure along with Bartley. I can understand the desire for a new challenge. The glass ceiling at Sunderland is also higher than it is at Hibs (if it had worked).

At the end of the day, the memory of 21.05.16 will live on long after his career is over and done with. Wish him all the best :flag: