Hibernian on Derek Diablo TV

[Edina Street]

Like it or loath it, Hibernian's CCS are a part of Hibernian's history, both current and past, and the books "Hibs boy" and "These colours don't run" have been available in the Hibs shop.

Now, an American video producer named Derek Diablo whom claims to be the leader of the "Inter Miami Firm", and is actively trying to kickstart the casual scene in the US, has done a video on almost every single firm in the UK, including the CCS.

You may think that Derek Diablo is a plonker, but his videos are at least partially satirical, and may contain some entertainment value. But seriously, the guy is is like a walking encyclopedia on football hooliganism. He must have spent at least half of his adult life reading books written by football hooligans. Sad?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOt9AzoxmP0&t=4s

[NAE NOOKIE]

The only positive thing you can say about the 'casuals' was that they tended to organise fights between themselves and kept the bother away from the stadiums, but that's it. Anybody who thinks bringing that ***** to MLS will be anything but disastrous and utterly negative for that league is a total moron.

[The_Exile]

Football casuals with open unrestricted access to automatic weapons? That sounds like fun :rolleyes:

[OldEast]

Pathetic!

[StarryPloughHSC]

Like it or loath it, Hibernian's CCS are a part of Hibernian's history, both current and past, and the books "Hibs boy" and "These colours don't run" have been available in the Hibs shop.

Now, an American video producer named Derek Diablo whom claims to be the leader of the "Inter Miami Firm", and is actively trying to kickstart the casual scene in the US, has done a video on almost every single firm in the UK, including the CCS.

You may think that Derek Diablo is a plonker, but his videos are at least partially satirical, and may contain some entertainment value. But seriously, the guy is is like a walking encyclopedia on football hooliganism. He must have spent at least half of his adult life reading books written by football hooligans. Sad?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOt9AzoxmP0&t=4s

still no sure if hes a parody or not its all very embarrassing all the same as is the casual culture in general

[AliboyFC]

That guys a nutcase 🤣.

[Since452]

To this day I don't get why folk would spend hundreds on clobber to go and scrap. Just seems weird to me.

[overdrive]

Is he a character comedian? His accent is all over the place. Even sounds English putting on an American accent at one point.

[Jones28]

An era that has, thankfully, been and gone. Fortunately the young men that follow Hibs at the minute seem committed to creating atmosphere than scrapping. Long may it continue.

[G15 Hibs]

This stuff is so tiresome. Leave it in the 1980s eh?

[One Day Soon]

What a twat

[Hibernian Verse]

That guys a nutcase 🤣.

Just noticed your display pic. Are you letting him join? :greengrin

[Hibernian Verse]

An era that has, thankfully, been and gone. Fortunately the young men that follow Hibs at the minute seem committed to creating atmosphere than scrapping. Long may it continue.

You've obviously not had the pleasure of being around them at Ibrox or Tynecastle.

[Lendo]

Is he a character comedian? His accent is all over the place. Even sounds English putting on an American accent at one point.

Hoping that it turns out to be Sasha Baron Cohen. Tragic if not.

[Greenbeard]

Is he a character comedian? His accent is all over the place. Even sounds English putting on an American accent at one point.
Agree. Shirley a faking faker.

[surreyhibbie]

Nutter ! :greengrin:greengrin:greengrin

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Don't really see a hooligan culture replicating the UKs of the 70/80s being a realistic prospect in America.
Away days in the states would involve a little bit more time and money compared to jumping on a train in say Leeds for a scrap at Derby or Sunderland.

They want to replicate the fashion and culture. Fuse Stone Island into the 'barra brava' of South America with the classic American tailgate scene.

Hooliganism anywhere imo is quite sad and pathetic.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Plonker?
Thats more Green Street language than Edina Street :greengrin
The eejit did these daft films a few years ago.
He once pledged to come to Scotland and wished to join the zombies casuals
Their forum had a similar reaction as here.
Told him no thanks ,we have enough home-grown bams.:greengrin
Miami?
Plenty competition down there if he wants a gang street fight !

[KeithTheHibby]

3 minutes of my life I’m not getting back. What a Rod Laver.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

It's like he's been studying Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage for years!!

[ahibby]

I remember a part of the baby crew, five of them, attacking a couple just outside Lloyds One Bar, years back. Jumping up an down on the female who they had floored. Nothing big or funny about that. As has been said though they kept the trouble away from the stadium, but unfortunately that wasn't all that was needed to keep fans safe, as just the sight of a Hibs scarf was enough for some crews to attack the wearer, thinking of examples of Aberdeen's behaviour.

[StarryPloughHSC]

I remember a part of the baby crew, five of them, attacking a couple just outside Lloyds One Bar, years back. Jumping up an down on the female who they had floored. Nothing big or funny about that. As has been said though they kept the trouble away from the stadium, but unfortunately that wasn't all that was needed to keep fans safe, as just the sight of a Hibs scarf was enough for some crews to attack the wearer, thinking of examples of Aberdeen's behaviour.

they were all a bunch of cowards who brought nothing but shame on the clubs and real fans just a bunch of failed footballers trying to stay relevant lol

[OldEast]

There must be one or two ex CCS on here. Do you look back fondly at the violence or are you thoroughly ashamed?

[Jones28]

There must be one or two ex CCS on here. Do you look back fondly at the violence or are you thoroughly ashamed?

A relative of mine was CCS for a big chunk of its life, he looks back on it fondly. No shortage of stories either.

[ekhibee]

I used to sit next to one of the leaders, and you couldn't have met a more sociable guy. The casuals are a thing of the past, but it should be owed they were created as a response to the behaviour of fans from other teams. Not trying to make an e case for them, it's just there's a lot of youngsters on here who might not know what the casuals were really all about.

[Mick O'Rourke]

I was never in the CCS, but i would have been in my early 30s when they kinda started up.
Initially they were accepted by the fans.I guess that went on for many years.
Back before that, violence in and around grounds,and guys my age will recall it,could be real bad.
Buses getting attacked at ground car parks and surrounding streets.
Small groups getting ambushed,and suffering some bad doings.Hospital visits,too.

Following Hibs away before these casual groups appeared could be a rotten day out.
Kilmarnock,Dundee and Airdrie stick out as ones that could guarantee bother.
And of course Ibrox/Hampden
The 3 Scottish Cup final games of 1979 among the worst facing oldco.
Yes we defended our corner at away games,but when vastly outnumbered it wisnae easy.

On the CCS.
Slightly knew a few of the original guys back in the day,in pubs etc.
One had a son who played in same football team as my grandson.
Gave us a lift to games now and again.
He didnt glorify his involvement .Just a day out with his mates !!
More did very well in helping others.
So whatever views people have on them nowadays.
The CCS back then certainly lessened the chances of other fans getting ambushed/attacked.
Just my thoughts on all those years ago.

Street cameras everywhere now.... so CCS and CCTV dont go !

[Edina Street]

still no sure if hes a parody or not its all very embarrassing all the same as is the casual culture in general

There appears to be two sides to him. There appears to be Delboy D from Diablo TV, and then there appears to be Derek Alvarez, a quite dark and sinister character that has spent much of his younger years in and out of prison for fighting Neo-Nazis, punk rockers, and skinheads, for Antifa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu1KL-qpD5k&t=48s

[hibeerealist]

I was never in the CCS, but i would have been in my early 30s when they kinda started up.
Initially they were accepted by the fans.I guess that went on for many years.
Back before that, violence in and around grounds,and guys my age will recall it,could be real bad.
Buses getting attacked at ground car parks and surrounding streets.
Small groups getting ambushed,and suffering some bad doings.Hospital visits,too.

Following Hibs away before these casual groups appeared could be a rotten day out.
Kilmarnock,Dundee and Airdrie stick out as ones that could guarantee bother.
And of course Ibrox/Hampden
The 3 Scottish Cup final games of 1979 among the worst facing oldco.
Yes we defended our corner at away games,but when vastly outnumbered it wisnae easy.

On the CCS.
Slightly knew a few of the original guys back in the day,in pubs etc.
One had a son who played in same football team as my grandson.
Gave us a lift to games now and again.
He didnt glorify his involvement .Just a day out with his mates !!
More did very well in helping others.
So whatever views people have on them nowadays.
The CCS back then certainly lessened the chances of other fans getting ambushed/attacked.
Just my thoughts on all those years ago.

Street cameras everywhere now.... so CCS and CCTV dont go !

I know what you mean Mick, CCS kept a lot of s hit away from the "scarfs", us ordinary supporters. Especially der hun at and around Ipox/hampden, I wont be knocking these boys given some of the s hit we encountered before they established.

[StarryPloughHSC]

There appears to be two sides to him. There appears to be Delboy D from Diablo TV, and then there appears to be Derek Alvarez, a quite dark and sinister character that has spent much of his younger years in and out of prison for fighting Neo-Nazis, punk rockers, and skinheads, for Antifa.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu1KL-qpD5k&t=48s

aye hes certainly a massive roaster pal that there is no doubt

[StarryPloughHSC]

I was never in the CCS, but i would have been in my early 30s when they kinda started up.
Initially they were accepted by the fans.I guess that went on for many years.
Back before that, violence in and around grounds,and guys my age will recall it,could be real bad.
Buses getting attacked at ground car parks and surrounding streets.
Small groups getting ambushed,and suffering some bad doings.Hospital visits,too.

Following Hibs away before these casual groups appeared could be a rotten day out.
Kilmarnock,Dundee and Airdrie stick out as ones that could guarantee bother.
And of course Ibrox/Hampden
The 3 Scottish Cup final games of 1979 among the worst facing oldco.
Yes we defended our corner at away games,but when vastly outnumbered it wisnae easy.

On the CCS.
Slightly knew a few of the original guys back in the day,in pubs etc.
One had a son who played in same football team as my grandson.
Gave us a lift to games now and again.
He didnt glorify his involvement .Just a day out with his mates !!
More did very well in helping others.
So whatever views people have on them nowadays.
The CCS back then certainly lessened the chances of other fans getting ambushed/attacked.
Just my thoughts on all those years ago.

Street cameras everywhere now.... so CCS and CCTV dont go !

ma auld man told me about his experiences through in govan in the early 70s mick, yi hud to hide your colours from they smelly barstewards

[OstKurve Hibs]

If hooligans here had any baws theyde copy the eastern European model,
Equal numbers, fight oot in a field away fae civilisation.

[StarryPloughHSC]

If hooligans here had any baws theyde copy the eastern European model,
Equal numbers, fight oot in a field away fae civilisation.

spot on mate they wouldn't want to get their stone island jumper dirty though

[A Hi-Bee]

If hooligans here had any baws theyde copy the eastern European model,
Equal numbers, fight oot in a field away fae civilisation.

If anyone wants to go fighting just head down Ukraine way, they will accommodate no problem.
He has a good name for a "B" rated cowboy film.

[Mick O'Rourke]

ma auld man told me about his experiences through in govan in the early 70s mick, yi hud to hide your colours from they smelly barstewards

Back in the 60s i remember that Ibrox was an away day that youngsters were not allowed to attend on Hibs Supporters buses.
Good reasonfor that,as you mention.
The only other one would have been Aberdeen.
It was a fair day out back then,Aberdeen.
Buses leaving at breakfast time and getting back at dark o'clock.
Boozy day! .Pit Stops ! No Children allowed.

Ibrox mid/late sixties Ad be in ma late teens.
A well known Hibby ,for some reason i cannot mind ,went in through a turnstile that led him right in the bear pit.
He was on our bus,too!
Cops escorted him round the track to the Hibs section.
He was covered from head to toe in spittle,and red faced wae shock and anger.
Missiles were being thrown at him on his walk round the running track.
Animals then. Hated us with a passion,they did. Mutual here,of course

Oh,the well known Hibby ?
He was on top deck of the bus going down Leith Walk that great sunny Sunday afternoon, May 2016

So he got the last laugh on the hun !!:greengrin

[StarryPloughHSC]

Back in the 60s i remember that Ibrox was an away day that youngsters were not allowed to attend on Hibs Supporters buses.
Good reasonfor that,as you mention.
The only other one would have been Aberdeen.
It was a fair day out back then,Aberdeen.
Buses leaving at breakfast time and getting back at dark o'clock.
Boozy day! .Pit Stops ! No Children allowed.

Ibrox mid/late sixties Ad be in ma late teens.
A well known Hibby ,for some reason i cannot mind ,went in through a turnstile that led him right in the bear pit.
He was on our bus,too!
Cops escorted him round the track to the Hibs section.
He was covered from head to toe in spittle,and red faced wae shock and anger.
Missiles were being thrown at him on his walk round the running track.
Animals then. Hated us with a passion,they did. Mutual here,of course

Oh,the well known Hibby ?
He was on top deck of the bus going down Leith Walk that great sunny Sunday afternoon, May 2016

So he got the last laugh on the hun !!:greengrin

haha superb post mick hope you and the family are well HGSP GGTTH

[ekhibee]

I would recommend a book called Hibs Boy by Andy Blance, it's an excellent read if you want to find out more about the casuals and in particular CCS.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Plonker?
Thats more Green Street language than Edina Street :greengrin
The eejit did these daft films a few years ago.
He once pledged to come to Scotland and wished to join the zombies casuals
Their forum had a similar reaction as here.
Told him no thanks ,we have enough home-grown bams.:greengrin
Miami?
Plenty competition down there if he wants a gang street fight !


i was watching Del Boy and Wodney Trotter on holiday there just last night in only fools and horses, Del Boy's double(himself) was a pure Gangsta

[OldEast]

I would recommend a book called Hibs Boy by Andy Blance, it's an excellent read if you want to find out more about the casuals and in particular CCS.

I'll give it a miss. Never understood the British fascination with books and films on thugs and gang culture.

[WoreTheGreen]

back in the 60s i remember that ibrox was an away day that youngsters were not allowed to attend on hibs supporters buses.
Good reasonfor that,as you mention.
The only other one would have been aberdeen.
It was a fair day out back then,aberdeen.
Buses leaving at breakfast time and getting back at dark o'clock.
Boozy day! .pit stops ! No children allowed.

Ibrox mid/late sixties ad be in ma late teens.
A well known hibby ,for some reason i cannot mind ,went in through a turnstile that led him right in the bear pit.
He was on our bus,too!
Cops escorted him round the track to the hibs section.
He was covered from head to toe in spittle,and red faced wae shock and anger.
Missiles were being thrown at him on his walk round the running track.
Animals then. Hated us with a passion,they did. Mutual here,of course

oh,the well known hibby ?
He was on top deck of the bus going down leith walk that great sunny sunday afternoon, may 2016

so he got the last laugh on the hun !!:greengrin
fd ?

[StarryPloughHSC]

I would recommend a book called Hibs Boy by Andy Blance, it's an excellent read if you want to find out more about the casuals and in particular CCS.

these colours dont run by derek dykes is a decent read aswell pal

[Mick O'Rourke]

I'll give it a miss. Never understood the British fascination with books and films on thugs and gang culture.

Read a review of one of these yesterday.
It appeared to be more about of a criminal career path the author embarked on than him than being involved in football related fighting.
From scared and intimidated ....to scare and intimidate.

Finest book i ever read was written by Robert Tressell :agree:

More about casual labourers !!

[OldEast]

Read a review of one of these yesterday.
It appeared to be more about of a criminal career path the author embarked on than him than being involved in football related fighting.
From scared and intimidated ....to scare and intimidate.

Finest book i ever read was written by Robert Tressell :agree:

More about casual labourers !!

In their ragged trousers. I agree

[ekhibee]

these colours dont run by derek dykes is a decent read aswell pal

I've heard that's a good read too, will try and get it on Amazon.

[Carheenlea]

The only book about hooligans I’ve enjoyed reading was “Among The Thugs” by Bill Buford.

Different to the usual over exaggerated and self aggrandising personal accounts as Buford was an American journalist living in the UK who became fascinated by the hooligan culture of the late 80’s and met up with and travelled with groups to learn more of the movement. It’s a different take and well worth a read.

I’m 52 so old enough to have caught the rise of the casuals from 80’s onwards. Never had the fighting prowess, nerve, or money to buy the clothes, so not something I got involved with!
Like any other youth cult, when you look back and compare to now, there’s little resemblance.

While now there seems to be a regulation hooligan outfit of jeans, trainers, Stone Island, where back in the day different gangs had their own look, perhaps dictated by what was available in their own towns an cities to buy and folk were a bit more inclined to sport new fashions and styles.
A bit like The Mods where in the 60’s the idea was for individuality and to try and stand out from the crowd, but when the revival came around in the late 70’s/80’s it was a regulation uniform of desert boots and parkas.

Like most of these movements - best left to the kids and not for fat folk in their middle age..

[bigwheel]

The only book about hooligans I’ve enjoyed reading was “Among The Thugs” by Bill Buford.

Different to the usual over exaggerated and self aggrandising personal accounts as Buford was an American journalist living in the UK who became fascinated by the hooligan culture of the late 80’s and met up with and travelled with groups to learn more of the movement. It’s a different take and well worth a read.

I’m 52 so old enough to have caught the rise of the casuals from 80’s onwards. Never had the fighting prowess, nerve, or money to buy the clothes, so not something I got involved with!
Like any other youth cult, when you look back and compare to now, there’s little resemblance.

While now there seems to be a regulation hooligan outfit of jeans, trainers, Stone Island, where back in the day different gangs had their own look, perhaps dictated by what was available in their own towns an cities to buy and folk were a bit more inclined to sport new fashions and styles.
A bit like The Mods where in the 60’s the idea was for individuality and to try and stand out from the crowd, but when the revival came around in the late 70’s/80’s it was a regulation uniform of desert boots and parkas.

Like most of these movements - best left to the kids and not for fat folk in their middle age..

Thoughtful piece ..modernism was about breakthrough clothes, music and design ..never about parkas and targets ….I enjoy understanding youth culture through the ages…the casual movement (for example ) redefined fashion for many for decades ….

[The Modfather]

I met a few guys from Edinburgh in a bar in Faro for the Scotland Gibraltar game a few years ago. They seemed decent enough and chatted football and music etc. They seemed caught between two worlds. One said he was now a social worker but every now and then he slipped back into his old world and boasting about the reputation he used to have before checking himself.

On face value he seemed decent enough to briefly chat to, lo and behold I then read about him in one of the Hibs casual books and a story about him stabbing students in the meadows simply because he didn’t like students. Probably not black and white in terms of judging people on their past v now.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

I would recommend a book called Hibs Boy by Andy Blance, it's an excellent read if you want to find out more about the casuals and in particular CCS.

Is there a section about his ladder at cove?

[jacomo]

I mean, he’s right. CCS retired as reigning champions so can never be bettered. :wink:

Those days thankfully long gone.

[RIP]

We could do with recycling that fighting spirit in the stands these days.

When the opposition scores a goal instead of immediately bouncing back and willing on the team to fight, there’s a sudden emptying of bowels and bladder followed by a deathly silence. Hardly surprising that the reaction of the eleven on the park seems to be a mirror image.

At Hampden in May 2016, when Stubbs switched it up after Halliday’s goal, our strengthened midfield stepped forward and took the battle to the cream buns. Fans gave their backing and the rest, as they say, is history.

The place for showing we are tough guys is in the stadium on a match day.

[ekhibee]

There's obviously still a strong hooligan/casual element down south. I remember Hibs sending a strong crew down to Millwall and getting a tanking. mind you, I think most casuals will get a tanking if they go to Millwall.

[DC_Hibs]

There's obviously still a strong hooligan/casual element down south. I remember Hibs sending a strong crew down to Millwall and getting a tanking. mind you, I think most casuals will get a tanking if they go to Millwall.

You don’t “remember” very well then.

[ekhibee]

You don’t “remember” very well then.

In that case I stand corrected and apologize, was only going with what I was told by others.

[heid the baw]

I remember being at an away game a few years back, Inverness at the erse end of the summer. The older CCS boys were sat there and a particularly persistent wasp was bothering them. I can assure you these colours do in fact run.

[Since90+2]

You don’t “remember” very well then.

I know someone who was at the game with his wife at the time. He's not a casual so wasn't pavement dancing beforehand but said at the turnstiles Hibs fans were getting battered all over the place from Millwall hooligans as they tried to enter the ground.

After the game it was the same, hellish for fans as Millwall were attacking them all the way back to the station.

From the stories I've heard it seems like the Hibs mob took Millwall by surprise but when Millwall realised what was happening they handed out a few dooings

[Mick O'Rourke]

I know someone who was at the game with his wife at the time. He's not a casual so wasn't pavement dancing beforehand but said at the turnstiles Hibs fans were getting battered all over the place from Millwall hooligans as they tried to enter the ground.

After the game it was the same, hellish for fans as Millwall were attacking them all the way back to the station.

From the stories I've heard it seems like the Hibs mob took Millwall by surprise but when Millwall realised what was happening they handed out a few dooings



My younger brother Billy was working just north of London at that time and went to the game with a couple of workmates.
One i know also a Hibby. I cannot remember if the met the Hibs Boys.
Anyway,they became aware that the CCS did do a bit of damage,possibly the evening before and just before the game.
A pub attack i think,that alerted the locals something was afoot.
Once the "tom tom" drums sounded through the Isle of Dogs, that the reservation was under attack,the natives put on their war paint and assembled to meet the green invaders.
Once inside the camp i am told,there was not much of watching the game as watching your back,front and sides...and heads!

Billy and his pals managed to get a lift from a friendly local van driver out of the natives camp and back to the safety of the fort !

Now our Billy,God bless him,was no slouch and could handle himself,but he knew the odds were massive.
Seemed like the whole Isle of Dogs/Millwall tribe appeared from all sides. So time to ride out.
And not an easy part of London to escape from.
If you are unfamiliar,its like a cul-de-sac down that area.
Must have been scary for some to find their bearings with the mayhem going on.


I am told the older Millwall guys remember that day with fondness and a Hibs brass neck!!

My first cousin,now a London cabby who follows Fulham,says they were astonished when they heard the Hibs went into the Lions Den.
But him being half Scottish ,was not that surprised,having seen the Tartan Army in full flow in London/Wembley during the 70s.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

My younger brother Billy was working just north of London at that time and went to the game with a couple of workmates.
One i know also a Hibby. I cannot remember if the met the Hibs Boys.
Anyway,they became aware that the CCS did do a bit of damage,possibly the evening before and just before the game.
A pub attack i think,that alerted the locals something was afoot.
Once the "tom tom" drums sounded through the Isle of Dogs, that the reservation was under attack,the natives put on their war paint and assembled to meet the green invaders.
Once inside the camp i am told,there was not much of watching the game as watching your back,front and sides...and heads!

Billy and his pals managed to get a lift from a friendly local van driver out of the natives camp and back to the safety of the fort !

Now our Billy,God bless him,was no slouch and could handle himself,but he knew the odds were massive.
Seemed like the whole Isle of Dogs/Millwall tribe appeared from all sides. So time to ride out.
And not an easy part of London to escape from.
If you are unfamiliar,its like a cul-de-sac down that area.
Must have been scary for some to find their bearings with the mayhem going on.


I am told the older Millwall guys remember that day with fondness and a Hibs brass neck!!

My first cousin,now a London cabby who follows Fulham,says they were astonished when they heard the Hibs went into the Lions Den.
But him being half Scottish ,was not that surprised,having seen the Tartan Army in full flow in London/Wembley during the 70s.

IIRC we were given a police escort en masse to the train station and sent back into Central London for the police there to deal with us, I was more than grateful to be honest. 😀

[surreyhibbie]

My son worked behind the bar in a very posh golf club near here. Got chatting to a member who was well connected to Millwall and he was invited to a match.

Full hospitality, the works.

Then mentioned he was a Hibby...

Response was "Oh, no, no no !" offer withdrawn. obviously the old guy had less than fond memories of the last visit!

[Gmack7]

I went down with a couple of mates, I'm sure the game got moved at very short notice to the Friday night, my memory is about 50% of those who went down were casuals and I think our support was around 7/800, there was an interesting atmosphere before during and after the game

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I went down with a couple of mates, I'm sure the game got moved at very short notice to the Friday night, my memory is about 50% of those who went down were casuals and I think our support was around 7/800, there was an interesting atmosphere before during and after the game

It was my first time in the big smoke, it was certainly a bit of a character building weekend! 😲

[Crab apple]

IIRC we were given a police escort en masse to the train station and sent back into Central London for the police there to deal with us, I was more than grateful to be honest. 😀

That's pretty much how I remember it too. There were so many old bill out after the game closing off all the side streets that we got escorted into the centre with no bother. We got on the sleeper leaving Euston. Before the game was when everything happened.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

That's pretty much how I remember it too. There were so many old bill out after the game closing off all the side streets that we got escorted into the centre with no bother. We got on the sleeper leaving Euston. Before the game was when everything happened.

Apart from the day of the game I stayed in not much more than a squat in Reading, eye opening! 😲

[ekhibee]

Apart from the day of the game I stayed in not much more than a squat in Reading, eye opening! 😲

Believe it or not that's the height of luxury when you compare it to Slough - Chav City. That's from somebody I used to work beside who came from Reading lol