Latest school shootings in America

[cabbageandribs1875]

Texas, a teacher and 14 pupils murdered by an 18 year old

Texas shooting latest: Teacher and 14 students killed in Texas school shooting - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-61573831)

May's string of mass shootings in the US


The shooting in Uvalde is one of several mass shootings to have taken place across the US in May.



The suspect was an 18-year-old male called Salvador Ramos, Texas Governor Greg Abbott says
The suspect is dead, and was believed to be killed by officers

[alhibby]

Sadly, this is the equivalent of our primary schools so the poor victims will be young, yet another bloody gun massacre in the US

[He's here!]

This is the equivalent of a primary school with kids as young as 5 there.

Utterly unspeakable. Immediately brings Dunblane to mind.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m almost at the stage where if Americans don’t care about their kids, why should I? Then you read the stories and you find you still do.


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[He's here!]

The 14 children killed were aged between 7 and 10. What an unbearable act.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Last week it was a mass shooting near the Canadian border; this week a mass shooting near the Mexican border. Both the shooters were just eighteen. Absolutely tragic, but, even if there is a mass shooting everyday, serious gun control will not happen, sadly. The gun lobby is too powerful and millions of Americans are incredibly protective of the Second Amendment. It's a cultural thing which seems bizarre to most other societies. The result will be a continuation of massacres, as it seems public opinion is willing to accept these events in return for the right to bear arms.

[ElginHibbie]

The Onion summed it up best in 2014 and have sadly had to continue to sum it up 20 times since: "'No Way To Prevent This,' Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens"

This will no doubt be number 21

[Mantis Toboggan]

Last week it was a mass shooting near the Canadian border; this week a mass shooting near the Mexican border. Both the shooters were just eighteen. Absolutely tragic, but, even if there is a mass shooting everyday, serious gun control will not happen, sadly. The gun lobby is too powerful and millions of Americans are incredibly protective of the Second Amendment. It's a cultural thing which seems bizarre to most other societies. The result will be a continuation of massacres, as it seems public opinion is willing to accept these events in return for the right to bear arms.

Seems like it. If events like this were going to change anything rather than elicit a mass shrug then it would already have happened, given the frequency.

[Hibrandenburg]

I’m almost at the stage where if Americans don’t care about their kids, why should I? Then you read the stories and you find you still do.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkI've been like that for a while but seeing this happen to young kids still gets under my skin.

Let's face it, the Americans as a nation love their guns more than their kids.

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[Pretty Boy]

The gun lobby in the US care more about their guns than they do their own and other peoples children.

The UK govt acted swiftly after Dunblane and we have never had anything comparable again, likewise Australia and Port Arthur. Yet in the US the solution put forward is often that there should be more guns with armed guards and teachers in schools.

I'm sure polling suggests a majority of Americans support tougher gun laws but as always the richest and most powerful lobbyists call the tune.

Meanwhile another group of children pay the ultimate price, it's beyond tragic.

[Colr]

Has Ted Cruz questioned why the teacher didn’t shoot back yet?

[Pretty Boy]

I do think part of the problem is that gun ownership is totally out of control in the US. Centuries of devotion to a revolutionary era amendment to the constitution (which really should have no relevance today) means ownership of handguns and semi automatic weapons is widespread in a way it never was in somewhere like the UK where it was always a bit niche.

Whilst a number of people may give up their guns willingly I'd wager a decent number would resist doing so. Many through legal channels so the process would take years, a small number would be willing to engage in an armed struggle.

It's a mess and the NRA et al know the President is impotent when it comes to taking action.

[Sergio sledge]

Has Ted Cruz questioned why the teacher didn’t shoot back yet?

"Texas Senator Ted Cruz described the Uvalde shooting as "truly horrific", but said gun reforms were not the way to prevent such crimes.

Speaking to reporters, he said that restricting the rights of "law-abiding citizens... doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime."

He said "going after felons" is what prevents such crimes and he criticised other politicians for trying to "advance their own political agenda" by calling for gun control.

He added that from past experience, armed law enforcement on campus is the most effective way of keeping children safe.

"We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said."

[grunt]

The UK govt acted swiftly after Dunblane and we have never had anything comparable again, likewise Australia and Port Arthur.

And yet Johnson was against the ban. Makes me wonder what would have happened if Johnson and his wrecking crew had been in government when Dunblane happened.

[I'm_cabbaged]

This is a couple of posts a couple of days ago on an FB page for E-Niro’s which swiftly went from payment for reg plates in the USA to the 2nd amendment:

Phillip Ziegler I'm sure Ukraine would have something to say about being able to personally own firearms.

When stated that wouldn’t help against tanks the reply was:

Phillip Ziegler you blow the tanks up or disable them, just like the military does. Its not hard to make DIY explosives. In fact a lot of us do that as kids to blow up washing machines in junk yards for fun and ****. Flame throwers are legal as well. you can build traps and barriers. When every home you try to enter, you get shot at and you have random rounds coming from every direction at all times because the entire town is armed along with all the surrounding towns...its going to be hard to get any rest and it would become a very scary place to be. Likely what we would do here is set up anhydrous ammonia tanks hidden and pop them as the tanks come through suffocating everyone or at the very least blinding them and frying their lungs enough for them to slowly die after the wind blows it all away... wouldn't even have to touch the fertilizer stockpiles to make explosives. This is all **** kids could do...

Says it all really

[hibsbollah]

I do think part of the problem is that gun ownership is totally out of control in the US. Centuries of devotion to a revolutionary era amendment to the constitution (which really should have no relevance today) means ownership of handguns and semi automatic weapons is widespread in a way it never was in somewhere like the UK where it was always a bit niche.

Whilst a number of people may give up their guns willingly I'd wager a decent number would resist doing so. Many through legal channels so the process would take years, a small number would be willing to engage in an armed struggle.

It's a mess and the NRA et al know the President is impotent when it comes to taking action.

I was about to pull you up on this because I was sure that there were other countries with a higher rate of ownership with not such a high rate of mass shootings but you’re spot on, the US is double per capita the next highest (the Falklands). I remember Michael Moores documentary made the case that cultural reasons played a big part as well.

Good to see Steve Kerr (NBA coach) speaking out so strongly about gun control last night. No doubt will now be in the alt right crosshairs

[He's here!]

27 school shootings in the US this year alone. I find it impossible to understand the mindset of the US gun lobby in maintaining the mantra that gun control is not the answer.

I spent a fair bit of time in America when I was a lot younger and thought it was an amazing country. But would I want to raise a family there now? No chance.

[Onceinawhile]

I've been like that for a while but seeing this happen to young kids still gets under my skin.

Let's face it, the Americans as a nation love their guns more than their kids.

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Unless that child hasn't been born yet.

In the words of George Carlin "if you're pre born, you're fine, if you're pre school - you're F***ed"

[Onceinawhile]

"Texas Senator Ted Cruz described the Uvalde shooting as "truly horrific", but said gun reforms were not the way to prevent such crimes.

Speaking to reporters, he said that restricting the rights of "law-abiding citizens... doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime."

He said "going after felons" is what prevents such crimes and he criticised other politicians for trying to "advance their own political agenda" by calling for gun control.

He added that from past experience, armed law enforcement on campus is the most effective way of keeping children safe.

"We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said."

Shameless, naked hypocrisy, that no one ever seems to pull these people up for.

[Hibernia&Alba]

27 school shootings in the US this year alone. I find it impossible to understand the mindset of the US gun lobby in maintaining the mantra that gun control is not the answer.

I spent a fair bit of time in America when I was a lot younger and thought it was an amazing country. But would I want to raise a family there now? No chance.

Quite incredible, it's only May, yet more will happen. There are children alive today somewhere in America who will be murdered in their classroom before the end of the year. The gun laws still won't change.

[Paulie Walnuts]

27 school shootings in the US this year alone. I find it impossible to understand the mindset of the US gun lobby in maintaining the mantra that gun control is not the answer.

I spent a fair bit of time in America when I was a lot younger and thought it was an amazing country. But would I want to raise a family there now? No chance.

I’m the same. I’ve spent a hell of a lot of time in America throughout my life. I absolute love the place and is potentially my favourite country in the world to visit but it’s about the last I would want to live with my family in the western world.

[LustForLeith]

I know nothing about the American gun law. But this guy seems to talk a lot of sense

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-61576574

[Just_Jimmy]

I'm numb to it. It's horrendous but it'll never change.

They don't care, and we have enough problems in this country, so why should we?

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/nikkimcr/status/1529231148689285120?s=21&t=A9vMd_fSTealgr3K2HTIKA

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[Paulie Walnuts]

I know nothing about the American gun law. But this guy seems to talk a lot of sense

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-61576574

He does.

Yet loads of Americans will absolutely slaughter him for it no doubt and tell us that they need more guns.. in a country where on average each adult owns about 1.5 guns.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://twitter.com/nikkimcr/status/1529231148689285120?s=21&t=A9vMd_fSTealgr3K2HTIKA

[emoji35]


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Absolutely staggering.

[Sergio sledge]

I’m the same. I’ve spent a hell of a lot of time in America throughout my life. I absolute love the place and is potentially my favourite country in the world to visit but it’s about the last I would want to live with my family in the western world.

I'm actually really angry today and to my shame I've not felt like that when I've heard about mass shootings in the USA for a while.

Like you, I have been to the USA a lot of times for a holiday and have a lot of good friends across there.

I just can't fathom why a significant proportion of the population continue to allow this to happen and feel no shame about it. And the absolute hypocrites who'll stand up and say they are pro-life when it comes to abortion and yet will do absolutely nothing about the epidemic of gun violence and massacres happening across their country just so they can own an implement designed solely to kill.

It is so deeply ingrained in their psyche that it is never going to change and that makes me so angry. I just can't understand how they can wake up each morning and see events like this and not want it to change.

Ted Cruz and the like are absolute ****bags. I hope he enjoys his blood money for speaking at an NRA event next week.

Edit: This is the Texas Governer.... https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/659427797853536256?s=20&t=imFRSX-8c7cZHYi-jxM7aQ

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/status/1529202610649108480?s=20&t=imFRSX-8c7cZHYi-jxM7aQ

Come on Texans, buy more guns, and just so you do buy more guns, you won't need a license or training to carry a gun in public.

And what a surprise, he's speaking at an NRA convention soon too. I'm sure he sleeps well at night with the money he gets from the NRA.

Horrible, horrible man.

And here's another fine human being.... https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/texas-congressman-old-tweets-uvalde-school-shooting_n_628d8699e4b05cfc2692c24a

[stuart-farquhar]

The gun obsession runs deep. My American family and friends all have them. It's so strange to go out with a relative who has a legally concealed handgun. And yet they regard it as normal and a right.

This adds nothing to the debate but as I live in the USA and the Uk I experience first hand the differences in attitudes to firearms. Can't see any changes anytime soon.

[He's here!]

The gun obsession runs deep. My American family and friends all have them. It's so strange to go out with a relative who has a legally concealed handgun. And yet they regard it as normal and a right.

This adds nothing to the debate but as I live in the USA and the Uk I experience first hand the differences in attitudes to firearms. Can't see any changes anytime soon.

Why do you think it runs so deep? As a kid I watched countless Westerns and in hindsight gun culture played an integral role in those films, some delivering an anti-gun message. However, those pioneering/protecting your homestead days are long gone so what is it about their constitutional 'right to bear arms' that sees so many Americans remain fixated on it to this day? We're obviously not completely free of gun (ie gang) violence in the UK but incidents like Dunblane are horrifying rarities rather than the norm and appropriate legislation was swiftly enacted in its wake. What does it take to see that the refusing to stem the regular mindless slaughter of schoolchildren and staff (not to mention the other countless daily firearms incidents in the US) is utterly insane?

I wonder what the numbers of home-schooled kids in the US are? If you could afford it, it strikes me as a better option than sending them to place they may not return alive from.

[stuart-farquhar]

Why do you think it runs so deep? As a kid I watched countless Westerns and in hindsight gun culture played an integral role in those films, some delivering an anti-gun message. However, those pioneering/protecting your homestead days are long gone so what is it about their constitutional 'right to bear arms' that sees so many Americans remain fixated on it to this day? We're obviously not completely free of gun (ie gang) violence in the UK but incidents like Dunblane are horrifying rarities rather than the norm and appropriate legislation was swiftly enacted in its wake. What does it take to see that the refusing to stem the regular mindless slaughter of schoolchildren and staff (not to mention the other countless daily firearms incidents in the US) is utterly insane?

I wonder what the numbers of home-schooled kids in the US are? If you could afford it, it strikes me as a better option than sending them to place they may not return alive from.

There is definitely a fair proportion of children that are home-schooled. Both my stepsons were in fact for several years.

I can only offer my take on things as I've encountered it. Guns seem to be viewed as non negotiable by many. They seem to all have moderate to Trump and beyond views and my politics for example, despite being middle rightist in the UK are seen as Socialist used in the pejorative way. I advocate free schooling, NHS and housing for all as examples.

Protection is usually given as the reason. And when almost everyone is armed in your neighbourhood crazy as it sounds it almost makes sense until yet another tragedy happens. Then the bull**** of guns don't kill only people do is uttered. FWIW some of my American family despair at what happens on a daily basis in the USA. We only hear of the worst and most appalling incidents.

It seems to be getting worse too. Some people who previously wouldn't have a firearm in the house have succumbed to the fears that they will be attacked and unable to fight back. It's that bad in places.

[hibsbollah]

There is definitely a fair proportion of children that are home-schooled. Both my stepsons were in fact for several years.

I can only offer my take on things as I've encountered it. Guns seem to be viewed as non negotiable by many. They seem to all have moderate to Trump and beyond views and my politics for example, despite being middle rightist in the UK are seen as Socialist used in the pejorative way. I advocate free schooling, NHS and housing for all as examples.

Protection is usually given as the reason. And when almost everyone is armed in your neighbourhood crazy as it sounds it almost makes sense until yet another tragedy happens. Then the bull**** of guns don't kill only people do is uttered. FWIW some of my American family despair at what happens on a daily basis in the USA. We only hear of the worst and most appalling incidents.

It seems to be getting worse too. Some people who previously wouldn't have a firearm in the house have succumbed to the fears that they will be attacked and unable to fight back. It's that bad in places.

Also depends where you are. I have stayed with friends and relatives in Washington DC, Miami and Northern California and they are as baffled and angry about gun culture as most of us are over here. None of them have ever seen or owned or gun (but have heard them go off in urban areas late at night.) The poll i saw is 57% of Americans want gun control, but the NRA have bought their way disproportionately into political representatives.

[Bristolhibby]

27 school shootings in the US this year alone. I find it impossible to understand the mindset of the US gun lobby in maintaining the mantra that gun control is not the answer.

I spent a fair bit of time in America when I was a lot younger and thought it was an amazing country. But would I want to raise a family there now? No chance.

Every single teacher in the United States should go on strike for a month. See the gun lobby get smashed then.

No ifs, no buts, no scabs. Full walk out. The guns would be banned in a week.

J

[makaveli1875]

Mental . Can’t quite fathom what makes anyone want to turn a gun on a child and shoot them . Frightening.
How do they stop it though ? Even if they ban guns tomorrow there’s hundreds of millions of them already in circulation .
An absolute mess .

[cabbageandribs1875]

And yet Johnson was against the ban. Makes me wonder what would have happened if Johnson and his wrecking crew had been in government when Dunblane happened.

and just to confirm that.....


https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/281686281_4937037633061650_4040418617638385037_n.j pg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=XVSHyZNFCWEAX9pBYDm&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT93yoi3EBsRz7-8mY3yAWQunZLyObV6zGpGE3Ow98gcHQ&oe=629276B2

[AltheHibby]

Of course, most of the gun nuts will describe themselves as Christian and pro-lifers.

Sorry, but if you are pro gun you are in fact a pre-deather. And a complete moron.

[cabbageandribs1875]

at least nineteen children and two teachers, all the victims were in the same classroom


worst school massacre since Sandy Hook in 2012

Texas shooting: Salvador Ramos ‘barricaded class’ before killing 19 children and 2 teachers | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/texas-school-shooting-uvalde-victims-latest-b2087300.html)



didn't realise Trumps former white house press secretary is running for Governor of Arkansas... surely to god she won't win that race

“Every single life has value and the most vulnerable among us are the ones we should be fighting for and protecting the most,” she added.

“I can assure you that in my administration, that’s exactly what we will do. We will make sure that when a kid is in the womb, they’re as safe as they are in the classroom, the workplace, the nursing home, because every stage of life has value.”

Ms Sanders has been vocal against gun control measures in the past.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Mental . Can’t quite fathom what makes anyone want to turn a gun on a child and shoot them . Frightening.
How do they stop it though ? Even if they ban guns tomorrow there’s hundreds of millions of them already in circulation .
An absolute mess .

And the shooter was only eighteen. Little more than a kid himself.

[He's here!]

And the shooter was only eighteen. Little more than a kid himself.

This is what does my head in about those who don't think reducing the access young people have to guns would make a difference. Even those of us with relatively stable backgrounds will recall the often irrational rage which can overcome you as a teenager and the sometimes daft reactions that can provoke. Having relatively unrestricted access to deadly weaponry is the last thing a teenager with a grudge should be afforded.

Guns don't kill, people do seems to be the lame mantra trotted out. It just doesn't wash. Take away easy access to a gun and you reduce massively the chances of teenagers going on murderous sprees.

[Bristolhibby]

A hard hitting anti gun advert.

https://youtu.be/LORVfnFtcH0

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

It's like it has taken the toll of the slain to be greater than the victims from Sandy Hook for this to become a newsworthy story. From the outside it almost looks like these events are a price worth paying rather than surrendering or compromising a constitutional right

[Sergio sledge]

This is what does my head in about those who don't think reducing the access young people have to guns would make a difference. Even those of us with relatively stable backgrounds will recall the often irrational rage which can overcome you as a teenager and the sometimes daft reactions that can provoke. Having relatively unrestricted access to deadly weaponry is the last thing a teenager with a grudge should be afforded.

Guns don't kill, people do seems to be the lame mantra trotted out. It just doesn't wash. Take away easy access to a gun and you reduce massively the chances of teenagers going on murderous sprees.

Ted Cruz says that gun control won't stop crime and that the only thing that will stop crime is targeting criminals.

Seems like he doesn't realise that crimes like this one was perpetrated by an 18 year old kid who had no criminal history and no known history of mental health problems. How are you meant to stop someone who you don't know is a criminal.

It's utterly dumbfounding that they don't realise that if you stop access to guns then people like this won't be able to go and murder kids in a school.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ted Cruz says that gun control won't stop crime and that the only thing that will stop crime is targeting criminals.

Seems like he doesn't realise that crimes like this one was perpetrated by an 18 year old kid who had no criminal history and no known history of mental health problems. How are you meant to stop someone who you don't know is a criminal.

It's utterly dumbfounding that they don't realise that if you stop access to guns then people like this won't be able to go and murder kids in a school.

Yeah but if you ban guns then the bad guys will still have guns and the good guys won’t so they won’t be able to save the day. So quite clearly, the answer is actually more guns.

I think that’s how it goes anyway..

[Sylar]

I find it hard to muster emotion for these events anymore. If Sandy Hook wasn't going to change anything, nothing will.

I have a very close friend in Indiana who's started home-schooling her daughter after one of her friends showed her a knife at school because bullying and extreme violence in inner-city schools is getting worse, and in some instances, teachers aren't intervening in fear of being killed or sued.

People ask me if I'd move permanently to the US (as I spend a lot of time working out there), and the gun culture is a major reason I wouldn't even consider it. I couldn't imagine sending my kids to an institution where education is traded off against duck and cover drills.

[HaltomHibs]

I moved from Edinburgh to Texas (Dallas/Fort Worth) in 2000.

The political climate has changed from actual discourse to entrenched rage. Gun ownership is viewed almost as an obligation rather than a right. Whilst I consider myself a pacifist and have never held a gun never mind fired one, I have recently been thinking of buying one. Mainly because of a spate of armed home invasions in my locale.

I discovered first hand how easy it is to purchase one. No checks of any kind that I was aware of. A salesman who suggested it was unamerican not to own one and actually asking if, rather than a handgun, something with more firepower would be better. I didn't buy anything

I used to like living here. If I could, I'd move. The intolerance is rampant and, with a few brave exceptions, the intelligent political hopefuls are either keeping their heads down or have accepted the futility of running. The last time a Democrat won a state-wide election in Texas was 1994 (Lieutenant Governor).

And come November, the really bad guys will be back in full control. Nationwide.

[hibsbollah]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/beto-orourke-texas-shooting-press-conference-b2087426.html?amp

They’re doubling down, O Rourke huckled out of event for criticising mayor and governor .

[Pretty Boy]

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[Pretty Boy]

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[Pretty Boy]

A list of shootings in educational settings in the US with at least one fatality.

A list so long it doesn't fit in a single pot on here.

And still nothing will change.

[Paul1642]

A list of shootings in educational settings in the US with at least one fatality.

A list so long it doesn't fit in a single pot on here.

And still nothing will change.

Americans just seem have a mindset that I cannot even start to conceive. Unlike Britain at the time of Dunblane guns are just so widespread and ingrained in their way of life that it would a a crazy challenge and nearly politically imposable to try and ban them.

Something clearly needs done about it and soon! I think the logical step would be a ban on new sales and a nationwide amnesty with some sort of financial incentive attached. It would take generations for guns to be mostly gone but it’s probably about as good as it’s going to get. If they had just implemented something limited this after Sandy Hook then they might have been well on their way to change.

[grunt]

If Trump gets back it will just get worse.

[hibsbollah]

A list of shootings in educational settings in the US with at least one fatality.

A list so long it doesn't fit in a single pot on here.

And still nothing will change.

Very poignant list.

My friend lives on the North side of Chicago, very nice leafy part of town, think Stockbridge or Marchmont or Trinity. Her kids at school have mass shooter drills where her poor kids have to act out which cupboards they’re going to barricade themselves in and which doors to lock and doors to escape from. It’s hard to comprehend. Even on impacts on kids’ mental health.

[Paul1642]

If Trump gets back it will just get worse.

If Trump gets back in then i really would give up any hope for the country. Not just because trump would pick up where he left of in terms of making a catastrophic mess, but more so because if a majority of Americans would still vote for him after all that’s happened since 2016 then they truly are screwed.

[Dmas]

If Trump gets back it will just get worse.


Trump is speaking at an NRA meeting sometime soon, guns are banned from it.

[Smartie]

If Trump gets back in then i really would give up any hope for the country. Not just because trump would pick up where he left of in terms of making a catastrophic mess, but more so because if a majority of Americans would still vote for him after all that’s happened since 2016 then they truly are screwed.

Trump getting back in is my number one fear for the future regarding the Russian situation.

[Lendo]

Trump getting back in is my number one fear for the future regarding the Russian situation.

Its ridiculous how close the US was from pulling all of its troops out of Germany and UK under Trump. Whether it would have actually got that far is debatable but he certainly wanted that. If it was to happen the Baltic states would be up for grabs by Russia.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Americans just seem have a mindset that I cannot even start to conceive. Unlike Britain at the time of Dunblane guns are just so widespread and ingrained in their way of life that it would a a crazy challenge and nearly politically imposable to try and ban them.

Something clearly needs done about it and soon! I think the logical step would be a ban on new sales and a nationwide amnesty with some sort of financial incentive attached. It would take generations for guns to be mostly gone but it’s probably about as good as it’s going to get. If they had just implemented something limited this after Sandy Hook then they might have been well on their way to change.

It’ll never happen as they’ll see giving up their guns as making them vulnerable.

They really are just ****ed and I don’t think there’ll be any way to fix it.

[Smartie]

Americans just seem have a mindset that I cannot even start to conceive. Unlike Britain at the time of Dunblane guns are just so widespread and ingrained in their way of life that it would a a crazy challenge and nearly politically imposable to try and ban them.

Something clearly needs done about it and soon! I think the logical step would be a ban on new sales and a nationwide amnesty with some sort of financial incentive attached. It would take generations for guns to be mostly gone but it’s probably about as good as it’s going to get. If they had just implemented something limited this after Sandy Hook then they might have been well on their way to change.

I always find it a bit funny when we get a generalisation about "Americans", even if it is fair or accurate.

We're talking about an incredibly diverse country of 330 million odd people. I expect there will be tens if not hundreds of millions of people who are aghast at this most recent incident and America's attitude to guns as a whole, yet they have to accept being grouped in with everyone else.

A bit like when we get the images of thick Americans, turning a blind eye to the brilliantly creative and intelligent people that the country continues to produce, albeit they have to call Donald Trump "Mr President".

Or getting my own head around the fact that my opinions will probably be grouped in with Ian Durrant's when it suits certain narratives.

[Mon Dieu4]

I always find it a bit funny when we get a generalisation about "Americans", even if it is fair or accurate.

We're talking about an incredibly diverse country of 330 million odd people. I expect there will be tens if not hundreds of millions of people who are aghast at this most recent incident and America's attitude to guns as a whole, yet they have to accept being grouped in with everyone else.

A bit like when we get the images of thick Americans, turning a blind eye to the brilliantly creative and intelligent people that the country continues to produce, albeit they have to call Donald Trump "Mr President".

Or getting my own head around the fact that my opinions will probably be grouped in with Ian Durrant's when it suits certain narratives.

53% of Americans including Republicans actually want gun controls to be tightened but when the likes of the NRA are funding certain candidates etc then it's never happening, the system is ****ed

[Just Alf]

Trump is speaking at an NRA meeting sometime soon, guns are banned from it.So the NRA are now in favour of gun control!

Talk about contradictory thought processes

[grunt]

I always find it a bit funny when we get a generalisation about "Americans", even if it is fair or accurate.

We're talking about an incredibly diverse country of 330 million odd people. I expect there will be tens if not hundreds of millions of people who are aghast at this most recent incident and America's attitude to guns as a whole, yet they have to accept being grouped in with everyone else.

A bit like when we get the images of thick Americans, turning a blind eye to the brilliantly creative and intelligent people that the country continues to produce, albeit they have to call Donald Trump "Mr President".

Or getting my own head around the fact that my opinions will probably be grouped in with Ian Durrant's when it suits certain narratives.
True, but I don't think that when people talk of Americans they mean individuals Americans. I certainly don't. Perhaps it would be better if we depersonalised the discussion, and said "America has a problem with guns"? The fact of the matter is that whatever individual Americans may say or do, the country still has a massive problem.

[Ozyhibby]

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[AltheHibby]

It's being reported on Twitter that yhe husband of one of the teachers has suffered a fatal heart attack. 4 children left without parents if true.😢

[Jones28]

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Wow, just wow.

bUT GUns ArE iN tHe 2Nd aMenDmeNt.

[Jones28]

It's being reported on Twitter that yhe husband of one of the teachers has suffered a fatal heart attack. 4 children left without parents if true.😢

Confirmed on channel 4 news, absolutely heart breaking.

[Jones28]

A teacher of the pupils who were shot was on channel 4 news and reluctantly said she would carry a weapon if it was to defend her students. How the hell is this happening?

[WhileTheChief..]

Make it illegal to manufacture or sell bullets.

There's nothing in the constitution about that.

[Hibby70]

I wonder if even raising the legal age to buy/own a gun or ammo would make some difference. I would imagine most school shootings are done by 17-19 year olds.

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61600914

Alarming to read about the apparent lack of security at the school and the reportedly haphazard police response. Given the frequency of gun-related incidents in US schools you'd have thought staff, pupils and police would be well drilled in how to respond.

Easy to be critical when you're not the one facing an unhinged gunman, but it's worrying to think more lives could have been saved.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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If you take America out the numbers are actually a hell of a lot higher than I’d have expected them to be. 45 school shootings world wide this year so far is outrageous.

And then you see America.. :rolleyes:

[Mantis Toboggan]

If you take America out the numbers are actually a hell of a lot higher than I’d have expected them to be. 45 school shootings world wide this year so far is outrageous.

And then you see America.. :rolleyes:

The figures are actually from 2009 -2018 inclusive. Still shows how out of sync the US figures are.

[hibsbollah]

The figures are actually from 2009 -2018 inclusive. Still shows how out of sync the US figures are.

...and the UK figure shows what happens when you use the law. As we did post-Dunblane.

[grunt]

...and the UK figure shows what happens when you use the law. As we did post-Dunblane.I'm going to say this again. The introduction of the ban on handguns would not have happened under the current UK Government. I think that's worth considering.

[He's here!]

I'm going to say this again. The introduction of the ban on handguns would not have happened under the current UK Government. I think that's worth considering.

What are you basing that claim on? That Boris Johnson allegedly wrote something in a newspaper column nearly 30 years ago, many years before he was even a politician? That's quite a leap - and smacks of trying (again) to shoehorn your loathing of the PM into any thread possible rather than genuinely flagging up something 'worth considering'..

FWIW the legislation was introduced under a Tory givernment in 1997.

[Smartie]

What are you basing that claim on? That Boris Johnson allegedly wrote something in a newspaper column nearly 30 years ago, many years before he was even a politician? That's quite a leap - and smacks of trying (again) to shoehorn your loathing of the PM into any thread possible rather than genuinely flagging up something 'worth considering'..

FWIW the legislation was introduced under a Tory givernment in 1997.

I don't think it's that unreasonable a suggestion to make based on the assumed morals and ethics of the present government and the way they've handled the various crises faced by them so far (covid etc).

The Tory government of 1997 would have had a very different set of moral standards to the one of today. A better set of moral standards (although I guess that depends on one's opinion on the pumping of Edwina Currie) and that is said by someone who wouldn't have voted for them then or now.

[Paulie Walnuts]

The figures are actually from 2009 -2018 inclusive. Still shows how out of sync the US figures are.

Ah ok. It says 2022 at the top, I did think that seemed a huge amount in that time given some of the countries listed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don't think it's that unreasonable a suggestion to make based on the assumed morals and ethics of the present government and the way they've handled the various crises faced by them so far (covid etc).

The Tory government of 1997 would have had a very different set of moral standards to the one of today. A better set of moral standards, and that is said by someone who wouldn't have voted for them then or now.

:agree:

I also agree with Grunt that if Dunblane had happened now we wouldn’t have seen the changes we seen all those years ago.

[grunt]

I also agree with Grunt that if Dunblane had happened now we wouldn’t have seen the changes we seen all those years ago.


I don't think it's that unreasonable a suggestion to make based on the assumed morals and ethics of the present government ...
Thank you both.

[Hibrandenburg]

:agree:

I also agree with Grunt that if Dunblane had happened now we wouldn’t have seen the changes we seen all those years ago.I'm not so sure, this government jumps on any popular movement and and if the outrage was the same as it was back then, then they'd be tripping over themselves to be seen to be doing something.

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[Stairway 2 7]

:agree:

I also agree with Grunt that if Dunblane had happened now we wouldn’t have seen the changes we seen all those years ago.

Ridiculous to shoehorn this righly inept brutal government into this tragedy and Dunblane. Who knows what would have happened but don't use this vile tragedy.

FWIW I've been in the US during this and its obviously all over the news. Fox stuck not knowing what to say and CNN rightfully on the attack. One thing that stunned me was every I talked to was shocked Iwe couldn't get guns in Scotland. Although I've been in the South when it happened so a different attitude.

On a more positive note unrelated before when I've been many years ago people all thought Scotland was a part of uk or England. I'm not sure if it's Sturgeon being visual or what but everyone knows Scotland as a separate country it seems. A few taxi drivers said is Scotland near the UK, they all know its cold ha.

[grunt]

Ridiculous to shoehorn this righly inept brutal government into this tragedy and Dunblane. Who knows what would have happened but don't use this vile tragedy.
Oh I'm sorry, did I contravene the rules of this discussion forum? Did I introduce a comment about UK gun control into a discussion on a school shooting in the US? It's perfectly valid to comment on the similarities between Johnson and the US right wing as espoused by Trump and his acolytes. "Britain Trump", remember? We are but a whisker away here in the UK from the sort of right wing lunacy that (most people agree) has resulted in the gun culture in the US; of course I don't mean gun liberalisation here, but in other areas we are following the US GOP lead.

[Pretty Boy]

It's a largely redundant point about what the current government would or wouldn't have done in 1996 and 1997.

The incumbent governments of the day changed the law then further tightened it. First Tory and then Labour. Thankfully the crass and insensitive musings of Johnson in the press in the past haven't manifested themselves into any serious political desire to loosen our gun control laws. As long as that continues to be the case then I'm quite happy.

[Ozyhibby]

It's a largely redundant point about what the current government would or wouldn't have done in 1996 and 1997.

The incumbent governments of the day changed the law then further tightened it. First Tory and then Labour. Thankfully the crass and insensitive musings of Johnson in the press in the past haven't manifested themselves into any serious political desire to loosen our gun control laws. As long as that continues to be the case then I'm quite happy.

Besides, I think this government would have reacted in the exact same way because it’s a populist government which will do whatever it can to stay in power. Johnson has no real beliefs that he won’t ditch at the drop of a hat for a couple of days good headlines.



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[Stairway 2 7]

Oh I'm sorry, did I contravene the rules of this discussion forum? Did I introduce a comment about UK gun control into a discussion on a school shooting in the US? It's perfectly valid to comment on the similarities between Johnson and the US right wing as espoused by Trump and his acolytes. "Britain Trump", remember? We are but a whisker away here in the UK from the sort of right wing lunacy that (most people agree) has resulted in the gun culture in the US; of course I don't mean gun liberalisation here, but in other areas we are following the US GOP lead.

It's completely pointless and impossible to say what they would do, I'd say they would probably ban them too. This government are more right than previous but its more populism than anything. They aren't as far as the republicans, traditionally tories are very similar on the left right to the democrats.

I saw a good thread on twitter where the person linked dozens of other people's tweets, where they were all showing Ukraine proves their previous opinions. Brexit for and against, Scottish independence, toxic masculinity, green causes, fracking pro and against, vegetarianism, covid vaccines ect ect

[Stairway 2 7]

Besides, I think this government would have reacted in the exact same way because it’s a populist government which will do whatever it can to stay in power. Johnson has no real beliefs that he won’t ditch at the drop of a hat for a couple of days good headlines.



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I agree Johnson is similar to trump in that way it's totally populism. Trump would have went with the Democrats if he could win. Unfortunately they are a bit glaikit so they have nutters pushing them one way or the other.
Many tories are frothing on twitter saying Rishi is a communist with his bailout and the government are left wing financially. But again its just down to public pressure, with a bit of partygate thrown in

[grunt]

This government are more right than previous but its more populism than anything. They aren't as far as the republicans, traditionally tories are very similar on the left right to the democrats.

This is my point; this Tory Government are not traditional Tories, in fact they got rid of many traditional Tories back in 2019.

Look I'll stop now, because I'm taking the focus away from the topic of the thread, and as PB says, it is a bit pointless to go on about what they may or may not have done. I apologise if I took this thread off topic, I've had a bad few days and the Tories have got under my skin. You may have noticed.

[Stairway 2 7]

This is my point; this Tory Government are not traditional Tories, in fact they got rid of many traditional Tories back in 2019.

Look I'll stop now, because I'm taking the focus away from the topic of the thread, and as PB says, it is a bit pointless to go on about what they may or may not have done. I apologise if I took this thread off topic, I've had a bad few days and the Tories have got under my skin. You may have noticed.

You'd be a sick puppy if the tories haven't made you utterly disgusted in the last fortnight. I don't want to see a voting intention poll, because it will be to disheartening to see how many would still vote for them

[Stairway 2 7]

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside.

Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t. One parent urged bystanders:

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.

[Stairway 2 7]

Nathan Ruser
@Nrg8000
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So... a mother in Uvalde was able to drive 40 miles, plead with police, get hand-cuffed, get uncuffed, jump the school fence, run inside and rescue her children while police sat around waiting for backup and listening to children get murdered.
There's no fixing that. twitter.com/meganmmenchaca…

[Ozyhibby]

Nathan Ruser
@Nrg8000
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So... a mother in Uvalde was able to drive 40 miles, plead with police, get hand-cuffed, get uncuffed, jump the school fence, run inside and rescue her children while police sat around waiting for backup and listening to children get murdered.
There's no fixing that. twitter.com/meganmmenchaca…

Kind of undermines the NRA saying all that’s needed is for every school to have an armed police officer. The fact is, I can see why the police might be a bit reluctant to go up against a guy with a AR-15 when they only have a hand gun. Besides, who really wants to get into any kind of a gun fight?
This is like the abortion thing. America needs to decide what it wants. It then needs to make it happen. Until then, it’s hard to take them seriously.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Kind of undermines the NRA saying all that’s needed is for every school to have an armed police officer. The fact is, I can see why the police might be a bit reluctant to go up against a guy with a AR-15 when they only have a hand gun. Besides, who really wants to get into any kind of a gun fight?
This is like the abortion thing. America needs to decide what it wants. It then needs to make it happen. Until then, it’s hard to take them seriously.


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Yep I agree with that. Think the police are getting a bit of unfair stick. The problem is the weapon he had. These machine guns being on sale is beyond ridiculous. If the nutters demand guns , surely hand guns and hunting riffles only and all single fire

[Paul1642]

The police are going to get a kicking by the press which will divert away from the real issue here. Entering that school with handguns against a guy (who may have been very well trained for all they knew) with an assault rifle has a high chance in being a suicide mission, and that’s before you factor in potential hostages or the possibility that there are multiple gunmen. A horrible situation for a beat Bobby to find themselves in and one that should not be allowed to hide the fact that Americas gun laws are the entire cause of this.

It’s easy to slate them with all we know in hindsight. Realistically the cops probably had very little idea what was actually going on and had to make an unimaginable tough decision with what they had. Also need to factor in that according to Wikipedia Uvalde has a population smaller than Musselburgh. These were small town cops and probably not a swat unit for miles around if the sh** was to hit the fan big time.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Republican Senator Mitt Romney has received over $13m in contributions from the NRA

quite astonishing

Boombear Bill on Twitter: "@QasimRashid @MittRomney I made a table to better illustrate the $ received by some Senators (of the 50 getting NRA $) and annual gun deaths in their home states. https://t.co/QtZhnm1qHj (https://twitter.com/Boombearjr/status/1529287104068345856) https://t.co/65khCwpfqL" / Twitter

[Paul1642]

Republican Senator Mitt Romney has received over $13m in contributions from the NRA

quite astonishing

Boombear Bill on Twitter: "@QasimRashid @MittRomney I made a table to better illustrate the $ received by some Senators (of the 50 getting NRA $) and annual gun deaths in their home states. https://t.co/QtZhnm1qHj (https://twitter.com/Boombearjr/status/1529287104068345856) https://t.co/65khCwpfqL" / Twitter

Amazing how that can be glossed over as being anything other than rampant corruption. Serving politicians should not be able to receive “contributions” from anyone.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Many Americans, including many politicians (particularly in the Republican Party) are still not prepared to have an honest debate about gun deaths. Lot's of banal nonsense being blamed as usual: it's the fault of anything but easy access to guns; for example, mental health problems, violent video games, rap music, bad parenting etc. This time COVID has been offered as the excuse. People have been going stir crazy, due to lockdowns and then going berserk. The obvious reply, of course, is that every country has access to violent video games; every country has mental health problems; every country went through COVID, but only America experiences thousands of gun deaths and hundreds of massacres each year.

The gun advocates don't have the courage to state their true position: they believe those deaths are a price worth paying in exchange for the Second Amendment. If they didn't believe that, the gun laws would have already have been tightened after a consensus agreed. The attempts to blame anything but guns are both disingenuous and cowardly.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Amazing how that can be glossed over as being anything other than rampant corruption. Serving politicians should not be able to receive “contributions” from anyone.

The right wing Supreme Court gave its 'Citizens United' decision a few years ago, after lobbying and law suits brought by big donors. It declared campaign contributions are free speech, not corruption. Donation limits were removed, meaning those with the deepest pockets control the political system.

[Paul1642]

Many Americans, including many politicians (particularly in the Republican Party) are still not prepared to have an honest debate about gun deaths. Lot's of banal nonsense being blamed as usual: it's the fault of anything but easy access to guns; for example, mental health problems, violent video games, rap music, bad parenting etc. This time COVID has been offered as the excuse. People have been going stir crazy, due to lockdowns and then going berserk. The obvious reply, of course, is that every country has access to violent video games; every country has mental health problems; every country went through COVID, but only America experiences thousands of gun deaths and hundreds of massacres each year.

The gun advocates don't have the courage to state their true position: they believe those deaths are a price worth paying in exchange for the Second Amendment. If they didn't believe that, the gun laws would have already have been tightened after a consensus agreed. The attempts to blame anything but guns are both disingenuous and cowardly.

What is it going to take though! Maybe mental health issues and other factors are in part responsible, but these factors will always exist and they aren’t going away. Easy access to a semi auto machine gun changes a lunatic for a risk to themselves and a small number of unfortunate people around them like we see in most civilised countries, into a lethal person capable of killing dozens.

I just can’t begin to comprehend why your average American, who in the grand scheme of things presumably isn’t much different from you and I, aren’t going berserk right now and demanding change. If kids being killed by a school shooter (yet again) doesn’t change mindsets then I really don’t see what can.

When it comes to almost any political debate I can look at the other side and see where they are coming form, even though I don’t agree with it. In this case i simply cannot understand why a non mental human being thinks that access to guns for the general pubic is anything other than madness.

[Hibernia&Alba]

What is it going to take though! Maybe mental health issues and other factors are in part responsible, but these factors will always exist and they aren’t going away. Easy access to a semi auto machine gun changes a lunatic for a risk to themselves and a small number of unfortunate people around them like we see in most civilised countries, into a lethal person capable of killing dozens.

I just can’t begin to comprehend why your average American, who in the grand scheme of things presumably isn’t much different from you and I, aren’t going berserk right now and demanding change. If kids being killed by a school shooter (yet again) doesn’t change mindsets then I really don’t see what can.

I don't think anything can change it in the short term. The gun lobby will remain powerful and weapons easily available. There are currently around 300 million guns in circulation in America, which is more or less one per person. Guns are an integral part of the American story. It will need to be a long term campaign, which, even if successful, means many thousands will die in the meantime.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Exactly as I said, blame anything but guns for America's incredible number of gun deaths. Exhibit A, and you can even predict they types of excuses:


https://youtu.be/__pNmEwUtj8

[Keith_M]

Amazing how that can be glossed over as being anything other than rampant corruption. Serving politicians should not be able to receive “contributions” from anyone.


It's pure bribery and corruption.

It's the 'American Way'*


* But being copied nicely elsewhere, especially in the UK.

[grunt]

A good woman with a gun ...

It's becoming like the Wild West out there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61615236


Armed female bystander kills man firing at party in West Virginia

[Hibrandenburg]

https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-44a7cfb990feaa6ffe482483df6e4683

Onlookers urged police to charge into Texas school

Cops stood outside the school while the killer rampaged inside.

Onlookers yelled at them to go in. They didn’t. One parent urged bystanders:

“Let’s just rush in because the cops aren’t doing anything like they are supposed to.

What's the point of having armed police who apparently refused to go and shoot an armed mass murderer because they're scared or do go and shoot unarmed black men because they're scared?

Watching Donald Trump read out the names of the murdered kids and criticising Democrats for playing politics with this tragedy at an NRA conference, I just can't help think they're taking the piss.

[He's here!]

A good woman with a gun ...

It's becoming like the Wild West out there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61615236

Remarkable story. Good on her I guess, tho unfortunately it probably provides succour to the 'guns are necessary' lobby.

[Hibernia&Alba]

A good woman with a gun ...

It's becoming like the Wild West out there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61615236

I don't know whether West Virginia is one, but there are the open carry states, in which people walk down the street and around the supermarket with a gun on their hip, for the world to see. They never leave home without it. It's just bizarre. "Wallet, keys, gun; aye, I'm all set."

[speedy_gonzales]

A good woman with a gun ...

It's becoming like the Wild West out there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61615236

Remarkable story. Good on her I guess, tho unfortunately it probably provides succour to the 'guns are necessary' lobby.

Call me cynical, but that's the first thing I thought of when I read it this morning.
It's basically the gun lobbys argument played out in real life.

[Mantis Toboggan]

The fact that the latest incident is considered in some way to support everyone having guns shows how bad the situation is. Who wants to live in a society where citizens dole out instant 'justice' in the form of a bullet and get praised for it?

[Hibernia&Alba]

The fact that the latest incident is considered in some way to support everyone having guns shows how bad the situation is. Who wants to live in a society where citizens dole out instant 'justice' in the form of a bullet and get praised for it?

Or a society that thinks the way to deal with such massacres is to arm teachers and/or send children to school in bullet proof vests? That has to be evidence of a deeply sick society.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't know whether West Virginia is one, but there are the open carry states, in which people walk down the street and around the supermarket with a gun on their hip, for the world to see. They never leave home without it. It's just bizarre. "Wallet, keys, gun; aye, I'm all set."

I subscribe to Runners World, both a hard copy of the magazine and the website.

With the Web subscription you get access to the US site as well as the UK. Every year around about Mothers Day, Valentines Day, Thanksgiving etc there are adverts for guns aimed at men to buy as gifts for their runner wives. 'Show her how much you care, buy her a Glock 43 so she's safe on the run'. Or the 'the new Ruger LCP 2. 15oz lighter and more rounds than the next best in it's class. Perfect for your running significant other.'

It's ****ing mental. I get my wife a bunch of flowers and a card. Some guy in Texas is buying his wife a gun to take running with her because safety.....

[He's here!]

The fact that the latest incident is considered in some way to support everyone having guns shows how bad the situation is. Who wants to live in a society where citizens dole out instant 'justice' in the form of a bullet and get praised for it?

Without knowing the full details, from what I've read this particular woman does deserve praise for her actions. One assumes the police would have done exactly the same if in the vicinity of a nutter opening fire on a party. Not only does she appear to have kept a cool head, she's clearly someone well trained in how to use her gun.

However, as you say this is all set within the context of a society where carrying guns is seen as the norm by many and were they not so readily available it's probable this incident would never have occurred.

[Haymaker]

I don't know whether West Virginia is one, but there are the open carry states, in which people walk down the street and around the supermarket with a gun on their hip, for the world to see. They never leave home without it. It's just bizarre. "Wallet, keys, gun; aye, I'm all set."

Yes, WV is a permitless open carry state. For concealed carry you must be over 21 and have a permit issued by a county sheriff.

[Jones28]

The police are going to get a kicking by the press which will divert away from the real issue here. Entering that school with handguns against a guy (who may have been very well trained for all they knew) with an assault rifle has a high chance in being a suicide mission, and that’s before you factor in potential hostages or the possibility that there are multiple gunmen. A horrible situation for a beat Bobby to find themselves in and one that should not be allowed to hide the fact that Americas gun laws are the entire cause of this.

It’s easy to slate them with all we know in hindsight. Realistically the cops probably had very little idea what was actually going on and had to make an unimaginable tough decision with what they had. Also need to factor in that according to Wikipedia Uvalde has a population smaller than Musselburgh. These were small town cops and probably not a swat unit for miles around if the sh** was to hit the fan big time.

So the only things that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, unless the bad guys gun is significantly over powered than the guns carried by the POLICE for god sake.

I think it would take all out war to rid America of its guns. That or the children of a president being caught up in one of these horrifying events.

[Jones28]

A good woman with a gun ...

It's becoming like the Wild West out there.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61615236

The shooter who was killed by the woman was a felon with a long criminal history.

He had an AR 15 - I think that’s the same gun used at the recent shooting, Andy Hook and numerous other incidents.

You can buy weapons in America without background checks.

BUtHoW dID hE GeT hOlD of ThE GUn?!

[hibsbollah]

So the only things that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, unless the bad guys gun is significantly over powered than the guns carried by the POLICE for god sake.

I think it would take all out war to rid America of its guns. That or the children of a president being caught up in one of these horrifying events.

A dead presidents child wouldn’t make any difference, not when you have the NRA giving €13 million to one single congressman. They are bought and paid for. These people would still vote to overturn any executive order a President enacted.

https://elections.bradyunited.org/take-action/nra-donations-116th-congress-senators

[Ozyhibby]

A dead presidents child wouldn’t make any difference, not when you have the NRA giving €13 million to one single congressman. They are bought and paid for. These people would still vote to overturn any executive order a President enacted.

https://elections.bradyunited.org/take-action/nra-donations-116th-congress-senators

NRA are not that wealthy. What is needed is an organised anti gun lobby which raises lots of money and is willing to buy politicians.


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[Keith_M]

NRA are not that wealthy. What is needed is an organised anti gun lobby which raises lots of money and is willing to buy politicians.


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Billions of dollars are made selling guns to the American public. There's limitless money available to buy politicians.

[hibsbollah]

NRA are not that wealthy. What is needed is an organised anti gun lobby which raises lots of money and is willing to buy politicians.


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Sorry but i laughed out loud at that. We may as well give up on 'democracy' completely if we consider the solution to corruption is more corruption.

[WeeRussell]

We may as well give up on 'democracy'.

I know you’re saying it flippantly.. but the thought had crossed my find a few times in recent years.

[hibsbollah]

I know you’re saying it flippantly.. but the thought had crossed my find a few times in recent years.

That scepticism about democracys benefits is absolutely what they want to achieve.

[Paul1642]

Sorry but i laughed out loud at that. We may as well give up on 'democracy' completely if we consider the solution to corruption is more corruption.

The USA recently got to choose between Trump and Clinton. We got to choose between Johnston and Corbyn. Where do I sign up for giving up.

[Smartie]

The USA recently got to choose between Trump and Clinton. We got to choose between Johnston and Corbyn. Where do I sign up for giving up.

Whilst there’s a choice there’s a chance it will get better.

It is a fair point though that we seem to consistently end up being given choices between terrible candidates, and we need to be figuring out why.

[He's here!]

I know you’re saying it flippantly.. but the thought had crossed my find a few times in recent years.

Democracy. The worst form of government apart from all the others - or so I think Churchill's quote went.

[Callum_62]

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMLoKtnXF/?k=1

He's just solved school murders.

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[grunt]

Now this is an incredible thread, with some US folk showing off their rather amazing collections of guns.
Read, and be amazed.

https://twitter.com/Johnson__joey/status/1530499953944055814?s=20&t=C3pFg7cVt5kvzOYbJik5qA

Here's one to be going on with ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT1tmeWXoAIZBec?format=jpg&name=medium

[Torto7]

Now this is an incredible thread, with some US folk showing off their rather amazing collections of guns.
Read, and be amazed.

https://twitter.com/Johnson__joey/status/1530499953944055814?s=20&t=C3pFg7cVt5kvzOYbJik5qA

Here's one to be going on with ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT1tmeWXoAIZBec?format=jpg&name=medium


I mind watching Tremors when I was wee and thinking Burt was some hardcore oddball outlier. Now I realise there are plenty of Burts in the US. Murica, Another memory was going into Walmart over there and being shocked by the mental array of assault weapons, I'll have a pint of milk and a machine gun please hen. Like something out of GTA.

[Lendo]

Now this is an incredible thread, with some US folk showing off their rather amazing collections of guns.
Read, and be amazed.

https://twitter.com/Johnson__joey/status/1530499953944055814?s=20&t=C3pFg7cVt5kvzOYbJik5qA

Here's one to be going on with ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FT1tmeWXoAIZBec?format=jpg&name=medium

The ***** got a ****ing bazooka up the back at the patio doors!

[hibsbollah]

The ***** for a ****ing bazooka up the back at the patio doors!

Methinks the folk drafting the constitution about the right to bear arms were thinking about muskets and the like, not assault rifles bazookas and mini rocket launchers FFS. But of course the NRA types know that perfectly well. It’s a kind of porn I reckon.

[Lendo]

Methinks the folk drafting the constitution about the right to bear arms were thinking about muskets and the like, not assault rifles bazookas and mini rocket launchers FFS. But of course the NRA types know that perfectly well. It’s a kind of porn I reckon.

I went to a shooting range in the Czech Republic. It might have been my hangover that ruined my enjoyment but it was an awful place. So ****ing loud, even with ear plugs. Wouldn’t be rushing back, I just don’t get anything out of shooting a gun.

[Smartie]

I went to a shooting range in the Czech Republic. It might have been my hangover that ruined my enjoyment but it was an awful place. So ****ing loud, even with ear plugs. Wouldn’t be rushing back, I just don’t get anything out of shooting a gun.

Folk say it’s one of the things you must do when you go to the USA.

It’s one of the last things I’d want to do, there or anywhere else.

I’m just not into guns.

[Ozyhibby]

Sorry but i laughed out loud at that. We may as well give up on 'democracy' completely if we consider the solution to corruption is more corruption.

You have to play the game that’s there rather than the game you might wish was there.


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[DaveF]

Folk say it’s one of the things you must do when you go to the USA.

It’s one of the last things I’d want to do, there or anywhere else.

I’m just not into guns.

I've done a little bit of hunting when abroad (lamping at night) and once fired .303 bolt action rifle so I can understand the buzz younger folks would get. Thinking back now, I'm horrified I ever did it.

[WhileTheChief..]

Whilst there’s a choice there’s a chance it will get better.

It is a fair point though that we seem to consistently end up being given choices between terrible candidates, and we need to be figuring out why.

Less and less people wanting to get involved? Too much hassle?

Doesn't matter which party or what you stand for, you're going to get slaughtered every minute you're an MP.

Why put yourself or family through it.

The public and the press have turned the job into a nightmare. We're as much to blame and get what we deserve.

[WhileTheChief..]

Remarkable story. Good on her I guess, tho unfortunately it probably provides succour to the 'guns are necessary' lobby.

When there are so many guns around, maybe they are necessary in some areas?

If you live in an area where crime is rife, maybe you feel that you do need to have a gun to protect your family?

I get that we don't see things the same here, but for Americans, owning a gun is the same as owning a car. It's no big deal.

They are brought up with guns being all around them. I'll probably go my whole life and never hold a real gun, never mind fire one.

My friends in the states can't get their head around that. They are horrified at the prospect of not being able to own them.

It's just a completely different culture.

[Stairway 2 7]

When there are so many guns around, maybe they are necessary in some areas?

If you live in an area where crime is rife, maybe you feel that you do need to have a gun to protect your family?

I get that we don't see things the same here, but for Americans, owning a gun is the same as owning a car. It's no big deal.

They are brought up with guns being all around them. I'll probably go my whole life and never hold a real gun, never mind fire one.

My friends in the states can't get their head around that. They are horrified at the prospect of not being able to own them.

It's just a completely different culture.

Been there for a month and everyone is stunned that I've never seen a gun. They keep saying what would you do if you wake up and someone is in your house with a gun, I reply he can take what he is in for I suppose. Some nice people saying it I suppose and of every colour, not just rednecks as portrayed.


The massacre was on the news obviously but not as much as the price of gas or the weather, they seem more obsessed with it than us

[lapsedhibee]

They keep saying what would you do if you wake up and someone is in your house with a gun, I reply he can take what he is in for I suppose. Some nice people saying it I suppose and of every colour, not just rednecks as portrayed.

Recipe for chaos!

No, a bloodbath is the answer.

[Paul1642]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61641543

Canadian PM proposing for Canada the exact legalisation that the USA needs.

[hibsbollah]

America is steeped in violence. And the roots of that violence go deep | Moustafa Bayoumi | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/01/american-violence-guns-racism-genocide)

[WeeRussell]

Recipe for chaos!

No, a bloodbath is the answer.

Surely more chance of that if more people have more guns in that situation?

Or did I miss the irony in your post..

[lapsedhibee]

Surely more chance of that if more people have more guns in that situation?

Or did I miss the irony in your post..

I'm with Ted Cruz in that if parents would only make the effort to drive their children to and from schools in bulletproof cars, and make them wear bulletproof clothing and helmets all day, and schools made all the doors and walls in their buildings bulletproof, then there would be little or no need to go to all the trouble of amending gun laws.

[WeeRussell]

I'm with Ted Cruz in that if parents would only make the effort to drive their children to and from schools in bulletproof cars, and make them wear bulletproof clothing and helmets all day, and schools made all the doors and walls in their buildings bulletproof, then there would be little or no need to go to all the trouble of amending gun laws.

Ah, so no irony at all then 😁

And I agree, obviously.

[Hibernia&Alba]

A hospital today, Oklahoma.


https://youtu.be/iOXNnLEYFpc

[DaveF]

A hospital today, Oklahoma.


https://youtu.be/iOXNnLEYFpc

Is the answer "arm the doctors"

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/The1Christin/status/1532389864150269958

What the ar15 does to pork

There is a movement to say ar15 is totally different to army grade weapons and should be kept on sale.

The ex head of the infantry says this is nonsense
https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulDEaton52/status/1532492803271544833

[hibsbollah]

I follow an American team on social media. The team page is highlighting tomorrows End Gun Violence day and the coach is pictured wearing a branded t shirt in orange, the colour of the movements message. The thread is covered in abusive posts at the team from gun owners furious that their team is associated with this movement.

I just don’t understand why a message as unequivocally incontrovertible, End Gun Violence, is the target of such hate? It isn’t even specifically advocating gun control! Apparently ‘be less violent shooting actual humans’ is now a controversial, woke liberal position.

[WeeRussell]

I follow an American team on social media. The team page is highlighting tomorrows End Gun Violence day and the coach is pictured wearing a branded t shirt in orange, the colour of the movements message. The thread is covered in abusive posts at the team from gun owners furious that their team is associated with this movement.

I just don’t understand why a message as unequivocally incontrovertible, End Gun Violence, is the target of such hate? It isn’t even specifically advocating gun control! Apparently ‘be less violent shooting actual humans’ is now a controversial, woke liberal position.

It’s frightening mate. So many people with such stubborn and bizarre views. Seems now whenever any movement for good comes about, there’s a scarily large population that find reason to oppose it.

[Scorrie]

Was reading that since that school shooting earlier this week, there’s been another 3 mass killings. Doesn’t even make the news now.

[grunt]

Footage of a 12 year old kid in Michigan robbing a gas station at gun point.

https://twitter.com/BethuneTheory/status/1533095303926120449?s=20&t=xOJghehJO6nqIN-c-SNqXw

[Keith_M]

The latest year for which there are full figures for Gun Deaths in the US was 2020 and the actual number of shootings classed as Murder, is 19,374.

The occasional shootings that actually make the news is minute, just the tip of the iceberg.

Source: Pew Research Center (https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/)



Sadly, the number of suicides from guns was even higher, at 24,292

[Ozyhibby]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/08/us/orlando-10-year-old-girl-arrested-fatal-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2022-06-08T08%3A15%3A04&utm_medium=social

Not even that rare over there.


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[grunt]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/08/us/orlando-10-year-old-girl-arrested-fatal-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2022-06-08T08%3A15%3A04&utm_medium=social

Awful for everyone involved.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/08/us/orlando-10-year-old-girl-arrested-fatal-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2022-06-08T08%3A15%3A04&utm_medium=social

Not even that rare over there.


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The obvious way to stop such a tragic situation would have been a good guy with a gun being on scene. I can’t think of any other way you could have prevented that…

[Jones28]

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/08/us/orlando-10-year-old-girl-arrested-fatal-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2022-06-08T08%3A15%3A04&utm_medium=social

Not even that rare over there.


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Right, thats it. Everyone gets a gun.

[Jones28]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1534243013110554624?s=20&t=UCdUvnO8FWf1RFx6Wna1-A

Matthew McConoughey hitting the nail on the head.

There is genuinely a reply to the tweet with a picture of him holding guns in movies implying he is being a hypocrite.

I despair sometimes.

[makaveli1875]

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1534243013110554624?s=20&t=UCdUvnO8FWf1RFx6Wna1-A

Matthew McConoughey hitting the nail on the head.

There is genuinely a reply to the tweet with a picture of him holding guns in movies implying he is being a hypocrite.

I despair sometimes.

He’s a gun owner in real life , so i guess that does make him a hypocrite

[CapitalGreen]

He’s a gun owner in real life , so i guess that does make him a hypocrite

Not really, you can be a gun owner and still be in favour of stricter laws and controls on gun ownership.

[Keith_M]

I very briefly worked in Dunblane, shortly before the massacre of all those poor wee kids, and the shock of just knowing it was the Primary SchooI I drove past almost every day was horrific.

I honestly don't understand how the Guns Nuts can just ignore things like that and rabbit on about their right to be armed to the teeth, as if they were still living in the Wild West.

[Jones28]

He’s a gun owner in real life , so i guess that does make him a hypocrite

Not really.

[stokesmessiah]

That poor little girls testimony….so young and she will never fully recover from that.

[Ozyhibby]

That poor little girls testimony….so young and she will never fully recover from that.

She is likely to go into care I would think and be taken away from her family. It’s horrific.


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[stokesmessiah]

She is likely to go into care I would think and be taken away from her family. It’s horrific.


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Have I missed something? Why is she being taken away from her family?

[Ozyhibby]

Have I missed something? Why is she being taken away from her family?

Don’t children who commit murder usually get taken into care?


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[stokesmessiah]

Don’t children who commit murder usually get taken into care?


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I am so confused…no, she did not. She covered herself in blood to hide from the gunman!!

[Hibrandenburg]

I very briefly worked in Dunblane, shortly before the massacre of all those poor wee kids, and the shock of just knowing it was the Primary SchooI I drove past almost every day was horrific.

I honestly don't understand how the Guns Nuts can just ignore things like that and rabbit on about their right to be armed to the teeth, as if they were still living in the Wild West.

Simple, they're on the sociopath spectrum, they have no or little empathy with other human beings and care only for their own desires. You could show them photos of hundreds of dead kids and they still wouldn't give a ****. It's not just an American phenomenon but they have guns.

[Ozyhibby]

I am so confused…no, she did not. She covered herself in blood to hide from the gunman!!

I think we might be talking about different things? I was talking about this little girl?

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/08/us/orlando-10-year-old-girl-arrested-fatal-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2022-06-08T08%3A15%3A04&utm_medium=social


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[stokesmessiah]

I think we might be talking about different things? I was talking about this little girl?

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/06/08/us/orlando-10-year-old-girl-arrested-fatal-shooting/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2022-06-08T08%3A15%3A04&utm_medium=social


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Ah, apologies. I was talking about the young girls recorded testimony that was played today.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Schools, hospitals, and even churches, with an elderly gunman. America, baby :confused:


https://youtu.be/bgn7-NLz9ak

[davy67 +]

The USA must be the only country on the planet where a Drag Queen or saying the word Gay is seen as a bigger danger than a maniac with an automatic assault rifle

[hibsbollah]

Trump’s stacked Supreme Court overturns New York’s right to limit concealed handguns.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61915237

[Sergio sledge]

https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1541461648866680832?t=W6A5m1QGXWqHID7X-YkLTg&s=19

This is a member of the US House of representatives.......

[Hibernia&Alba]

Trump’s stacked Supreme Court overturns New York’s right to limit concealed handguns.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61915237

Individual states cannot make their own decisions about gun restrictions, but they can now stop women having access to abortion services. :confused:

[Sylar]

Another mass shooting in Chicago, this time at a July 4th parade.

The gun lobby must be absolutely delighted that someone's newly found freedom has resulted in so many losing their lives.

[Ozyhibby]

I’m sending thoughts and prayers.[emoji849]


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[Keith_M]

I’m sending thoughts and prayers.[emoji849]


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Yeah, I'm sick of hearing that as well.

[Haymaker]

Another mass shooting in Chicago, this time at a July 4th parade.

The gun lobby must be absolutely delighted that someone's newly found freedom has resulted in so many losing their lives.

I was at my local parade today and randomly thought... "whbe will someone start shooting at these events?"

[Hibernia&Alba]

Another mass shooting in Chicago, this time at a July 4th parade.

The gun lobby must be absolutely delighted that someone's newly found freedom has resulted in so many losing their lives.

Six dead is the latest. Another day another US massacre.

[cabbageandribs1875]

weedy little freak, pity Chicago abolished the death penalty in 2011


Highland Park shooting: Six dead in 4 July parade shooting near Chicago - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62042636)

[Scorrie]

According to some data, there’s been over 230 mass shootings in the US so far this year where at least 4 people died. Mental

[Paulie Walnuts]

weedy little freak, pity Chicago abolished the death penalty in 2011


Highland Park shooting: Six dead in 4 July parade shooting near Chicago - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62042636)

Not a pity at all imo. The death penalty is as ludicrous as americas gun laws.

[degenerated]

Theres another mass shooting just happened in Indiana. 10 shot, 3 dead at a party. It's crazy how frequent this is over there.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Theres another mass shooting just happened in Indiana. 10 shot, 3 dead at a party. It's crazy how frequent this is over there.

It is literally a daily occurrence. I just don't understand why guns are considered more important than human life over there.

[Ozyhibby]

Theres another mass shooting just happened in Indiana. 10 shot, 3 dead at a party. It's crazy how frequent this is over there.

Thoughts and pr……ah ****, it’s not even worth that.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Parkland shootings, 17 lives he took in 2018


fed and watered for the rest of his life in prison

Parkland shooting: Parents 'devastated' as Florida school gunman spared death - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-63205722)



A 12-member jury has voted not to give the death penalty to the gunman responsible for the Parkland shooting in which 17 people died in 2018
The jury recommended life imprisonment without a chance of parole
Families of victims have expressed shock and disappointment at the verdict
All jurors would have needed to vote unanimously in order for him to be put to death



The decision marks a blow for prosecutors, who had sought to prove that the crime was “cold, calculated and premeditated”
The formal sentencing will follow in November

[beensaidbefore]

Parkland shootings, 17 lives he took in 2018


fed and watered for the rest of his life in prison

Parkland shooting: Parents 'devastated' as Florida school gunman spared death - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-63205722)



A 12-member jury has voted not to give the death penalty to the gunman responsible for the Parkland shooting in which 17 people died in 2018
The jury recommended life imprisonment without a chance of parole
Families of victims have expressed shock and disappointment at the verdict
All jurors would have needed to vote unanimously in order for him to be put to death



The decision marks a blow for prosecutors, who had sought to prove that the crime was “cold, calculated and premeditated”
The formal sentencing will follow in November


Shame torture isn't an option for folk like him

[hibsbollah]

Parkland shootings, 17 lives he took in 2018


fed and watered for the rest of his life in prison

Parkland shooting: Parents 'devastated' as Florida school gunman spared death - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-63205722)



A 12-member jury has voted not to give the death penalty to the gunman responsible for the Parkland shooting in which 17 people died in 2018
The jury recommended life imprisonment without a chance of parole
Families of victims have expressed shock and disappointment at the verdict
All jurors would have needed to vote unanimously in order for him to be put to death



The decision marks a blow for prosecutors, who had sought to prove that the crime was “cold, calculated and premeditated”
The formal sentencing will follow in November


Killing people is A Bad Thing, so a State attempting to teach you this by killing killers has already devalued it’s own argument.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Shame torture isn't an option for folk like him

Imagine if in some other case you got the wrong guy, though.

[AgentDaleCooper]

Killing people is A Bad Thing, so a State attempting to teach you this by killing killers has already devalued it’s own argument.

Yeah, and also, odds are you are absolutely bound to execute someone innocent at some point, which fundamentally invalidates the whole thing even if you agree with it in principle.

[Jones28]

Killing people is A Bad Thing, so a State attempting to teach you this by killing killers has already devalued it’s own argument.

Is it worth pointing out that the three that voted against the death penalty only did so because they believed he was mentally ill?

[HH81]

Is it worth pointing out that the three that voted against the death penalty only did so because they believed he was mentally ill?

I watched his police interview on YouTube after he was arrested. Said he had voices in his head. Police seen through it.

[beensaidbefore]

Imagine if in some other case you got the wrong guy, though.

True, but at least he would still be alive. Death penalty would be irreversible.

[beensaidbefore]

Yeah, and also, odds are you are absolutely bound to execute someone innocent at some point, which fundamentally invalidates the whole thing even if you agree with it in principle.

Should have read this before replying to above. Difficult one.

[Moulin Yarns]

More than 34,000 people have died in shootings in the US in 2022, more than half of which were from suicide, according to the Gun Violence Archive website

[Pretty Boy]

It's one of those times when I find myself wrestling with my conscience.

I'm fundemenentally opposed to the death penalty on just about every level, you can't condemn killing, premeditated or otherwise, on one hand whilst then arguing that as long as the state is doing the killing then it is a form of restorative justice on the other. That's not to say I would shed any tears if certain individuals were excecuted but as a civilised society it's surely a requirement that we rise above that vengeful thought process (as essentially neutral observers of course, how the families feel is a different story).

Reading through the case it's clear the individual involved has been failed since before he was even born. If you wanted to create the perfect set of circumstances for someone to be capable of carrying out such an act then this boys life would be a pretty good blueprint. No one is going to feel any sympathy for him obviously and the vast majority of people with bad upbringings and mental illnesses don't go on to carry out atrocities. However those failures have impacted on countless other lives, ending some and changing others irrevocably.

The whole story is a tragedy but on balance I think life imprisonment is just about the right sentence, even considering the death penalty was on the table. If there is a real desire for restorative justice then starting a process of stripping the NRA of it's influence and power and removing guns from everyday life in the USA would be a step on that path. As it is we have a drive to end another life in the name of justice whilst failing to tackle the biggest issue which is ease of access to deadly weapons.

[neil7908]

It's one of those times when I find myself wrestling with my conscience.

I'm fundemenentally opposed to the death penalty on just about every level, you can't condemn killing, premeditated or otherwise, on one hand whilst then arguing that as long as the state is doing the killing then it is a form of restorative justice on the other. That's not to say I would shed any tears if certain individuals were excecuted but as a civilised society it's surely a requirement that we rise above that vengeful thought process (as essentially neutral observers of course, how the families feel is a different story).

Reading through the case it's clear the individual involved has been failed since before he was even born. If you wanted to create the perfect set of circumstances for someone to be capable of carrying out such an act then this boys life would be a pretty good blueprint. No one is going to feel any sympathy for him obviously and the vast majority of people with bad upbringings and mental illnesses don't go on to carry out atrocities. However those failures have impacted on countless other lives, ending some and changing others irrevocably.

The whole story is a tragedy but on balance I think life imprisonment is just about the right sentence, even considering the death penalty was on the table. If there is a real desire for restorative justice then starting a process of stripping the NRA of it's influence and power and removing guns from everyday life in the USA would be a step on that path. As it is we have a drive to end another life in the name of justice whilst failing to tackle the biggest issue which is ease of access to deadly weapons.

I'm with you here. I don't necessarily have a moral problem with the death penalty in very specific cases.

But unfortunately no justice system is anywhere near robust and fair enough to administer such a serious penalty in the correct manner. One only has to look at Death Row in the US to see what it looks like in practice - racism, dodgy convictions and politicians and judges playing politics with people's lives.

[hibsbollah]

I'm with you here. I don't necessarily have a moral problem with the death penalty in very specific cases.
.

That’s the problem. Which specific cases? Lots of people might say Bobby Sands, equally portrayed as a saint by others. Stalin? But that’s a clear case of psychotic mental illness in the form of paranoid schizophrenia/bipolarity, is he culpable in a real sense? Even if he is, do we send the message we intend to as a State when we take a killers life? Tobin, Manson. Putin? Or Churchill?

Better to say if it’s wrong as principle it’s always wrong as principle. Invest in the resources to keep them locked up and away from society.

[marinello59]

Killing people is A Bad Thing, so a State attempting to teach you this by killing killers has already devalued it’s own argument.

:agree:

[makaveli1875]

That’s the problem. Which specific cases? Lots of people might say Bobby Sands, equally portrayed as a saint by others. Stalin? But that’s a clear case of psychotic mental illness in the form of paranoid schizophrenia/bipolarity, is he culpable in a real sense? Even if he is, do we send the message we intend to as a State when we take a killers life? Tobin, Manson. Putin? Or Churchill?

Better to say if it’s wrong as principle it’s always wrong as principle. Invest in the resources to keep them locked up and away from society.

Honestly I’d have let Tobin Fry on the chair , same for Fred West

[Aldo]

Honestly I’d have let Tobin Fry on the chair , same for Fred West

Would agree and certain crimes, for me anyway, merit the death penalty.

I’d also say I’d add Huntly to that list!


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[Sir David Gray]

I'm very conflicted over the death penalty issue, my instinct says that one innocent person being put to death is one too many but I personally think there are crimes which are just so heinous and where the guilt of the convicted person is beyond all reasonable doubt that the death penalty is a suitable punishment to be carried out.

I believe Nikolas Cruz fits such a bill for being executed.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Would agree and certain crimes, for me anyway, merit the death penalty.

I’d also say I’d add Huntly to that list!


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I understand the feelings you have for the very worst offenders, but I can't support capital punishment on both moral and practical grounds. Morally, I don't think the state should be stooping to the level of the worst miscreants in society by deliberately taking life. It's non-negotiable for me. I don't believe even a Hitler, Stalin or Mao should have been executed, though I fully understand the impulse. On practical grounds, capital punishment will inevitably lead to miscarriages of justice, and the moment that happened we would have the same outcry about the barbarity of the system. It would become untenable once again. It wouldn't last.

[Smartie]

I'm very conflicted over the death penalty issue, my instinct says that one innocent person being put to death is one too many but I personally think there are crimes which are just so heinous and where the guilt of the convicted person is beyond all reasonable doubt that the death penalty is a suitable punishment to be carried out.

I believe Nikolas Cruz fits such a bill for being executed.

Yeah, I think that when you have people like Ian Brady or Peter Tobin, who are evil to the families of their victims beyond the initial act and show no signs of remorse then it’s right to think of what might be the most appropriate / severe punishment.

But I still think that life imprisonment, constantly looking over your shoulder, would be worse than a quick frazzle on an electric chair or a lethal injection which would have to be “humane”.

[Pretty Boy]

Yeah, I think that when you have people like Ian Brady or Peter Tobin, who are evil to the families of their victims beyond the initial act and show no signs of remorse then it’s right to think of what might be the most appropriate / severe punishment.

But I still think that life imprisonment, constantly looking over your shoulder, would be worse than a quick frazzle on an electric chair or a lethal injection which would have to be “humane”.

Lethal injection, the preferred method across the US, is fundementally inhumane. It's painful and increasingly experimental as several countries refuse to export the drugs required and the FDA refuses to approve their use. Some states have resorted to untried cocktails of drugs or sourcing the usual drugs through means that are bordering on illicit. There's something verging on irony in the fact that it could be big pharma that brings about an end to capital punishment in the US.

I understand the revenge impulse might provoke a response of 'who cares?' Again though if we as a society stoop to the level of killing people by painful or unreliable means as a form of punishment does it not invalidate our whole argument that killing is inherently wrong?

[Stairway 2 7]

I'm not one for conspiracies ect. But I believe the police can and have pushed people towards being guilty before. Guildford four and others at that time I believe some of the public would want them strung up. Whilst there's a chance the courts could be wrong I can't believe that someone would wrongfully be murdered

[stoneyburn hibs]

Life for a life.
If it was one of your own you'd want retribution.
Why should it be different because you're not emotionally attached?

[Callum_62]

Life for a life.
If it was one of your own you'd want retribution.
Why should it be different because you're not emotionally attached?In some cases ig would end up being the wrong life

Personally I don't see retribution as being murder - Infact I imagine life behind bars is probably worse

Also if they have have put the wrong person behind bars, there's a chance that mistake can be rectified

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[hibsbollah]

Life for a life.
?

You’d be killing more people than we’d know where to put them. Deaths caused by Corporate manslaughter or careless driving cases included in this ?

[marinello59]

Life for a life.
If it was one of your own you'd want retribution.
Why should it be different because you're not emotionally attached?

Life for a life?
Not for me, not under any circumstances.

[Bridge hibs]

Life for a life?
Not for me, not under any circumstances.
Always think about the film with Christopher Ecclestone called ‘Let him have it’

1953

Officers order Craig to put down his gun. Bentley, who by this time has already been arrested, shouts "Let him have it, Chris" – whether he means the phrase literally ("Let him have the gun") or figuratively ("Open fire!") is unclear. Craig fires, killing one officer and wounding another. Because he is a minor, Craig is given a prison sentence for the crime. Meanwhile, Bentley is sentenced to death

[Stairway 2 7]

1584 people executed in the US since 1973. 190 people have been exonerated and released from death row in the same time about 1 in 8.

Of the ones executed the US doesn't allow information to be gathered, the cases are closed. The innocence project say there is 20 cut and dried cases of wrongful death

There was a big push for the Birmingham 6 to be hanged here.

[Moulin Yarns]

Always think about the film with Christopher Ecclestone called ‘Let him have it’

1953

Officers order Craig to put down his gun. Bentley, who by this time has already been arrested, shouts "Let him have it, Chris" – whether he means the phrase literally ("Let him have the gun") or figuratively ("Open fire!") is unclear. Craig fires, killing one officer and wounding another. Because he is a minor, Craig is given a prison sentence for the crime. Meanwhile, Bentley is sentenced to death

Song by elvis costello as well.

[Aldo]

I understand the feelings you have for the very worst offenders, but I can't support capital punishment on both moral and practical grounds. Morally, I don't think the state should be stooping to the level of the worst miscreants in society by deliberately taking life. It's non-negotiable for me. I don't believe even a Hitler, Stalin or Mao should have been executed, though I fully understand the impulse. On practical grounds, capital punishment will inevitably lead to miscarriages of justice, and the moment that happened we would have the same outcry about the barbarity of the system. It would become untenable once again. It wouldn't last.

I totally understand where you’re coming from and respect and to an extent agree with what you’ve written. Contradicting myself, maybe, but I will say that the UK are pretty soft on individuals that commit atrocities and heinous crimes!
Without capital punishment, I believe that for certain crimes you must remain incarcerated until you die none of this, yeah they are not a threat to society so let’s let them out early.

What I will say is that in my previous employment I had first hand experience of persons being subjected to horrendous crimes with the offender getting very little time in prison with them pretty much laughing in their faces knowing they’ll get out whilst the victim has to suffer maybe for the rest of their lives!


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[Hibernia&Alba]

I totally understand where you’re coming from and respect and to an extent agree with what you’ve written. Contradicting myself, maybe, but I will say that the UK are pretty soft on individuals that commit atrocities and heinous crimes!
Without capital punishment, I believe that for certain crimes you must remain incarcerated until you die none of this, yeah they are not a threat to society so let’s let them out early.

What I will say is that in my previous employment I had first hand experience of persons being subjected to horrendous crimes with the offender getting very little time in prison with them pretty much laughing in their faces knowing they’ll get out whilst the victim has to suffer maybe for the rest of their lives!


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There are some offenders who have whole life tariffs, having been diagnosed as too dangerous to release. These are the most extreme cases: serial killers/serial sex offenders who are incorrigible and there is no hope of changing them. There is no cure for psychopathy, for example. A psychopath who is also a serial killer will promise he has changed and is a new man, only to immediately kill again if released. For those individuals life means life.

[Pretty Boy]

There are some offenders who have whole life tariffs, having been diagnosed as too dangerous to release. These are the most extreme cases: serial killers/serial sex offenders who are incorrigible and there is no hope of changing them. There is no cure for psychopathy, for example. A psychopath who is also a serial killer will promise he has changed and is a new man, only to immediately kill again if released. For those individuals life means life.

My cousin was married to a man who worked in Carstairs.

He told a story of a patient in there who used to eat breakfast in his room every day. There is actually a certain level of freedom from routine in there, particularly for those in long term. Anyway every day this guy has breakfast taken to him, every day he said thanks and the nurse left him. He said the patient was almost charm personified. There was a rule that you never turned your back on a patient so exited a room backwards. On one occasion a nurse turned his back for a split second, when he turned back round he was greeted with a cup of hot tea thrown in his face. Years of no incident with this patient then the second an opportunity presented itself he took advantage.

I wouldn't like to be one of the people tasked with deciding who can be rehabilitated, who should be eligible for parole or the like. A slight misjudgement could have catastrophic consequences.

[Hibernia&Alba]

My cousin was married to a man who worked in Carstairs.

He told a story of a patient in there who used to eat breakfast in his room every day. There is actually a certain level of freedom from routine in there, particularly for those in long term. Anyway every day this guy has breakfast taken to him, every day he said thanks and the nurse left him. He said the patient was almost charm personified. There was a rule that you never turned your back on a patient so exited a room backwards. On one occasion a nurse turned his back for a split second, when he turned back round he was greeted with a cup of hot tea thrown in his face. Years of no incident with this patient then the second an opportunity presented itself he took advantage.

I wouldn't like to be one of the people tasked with deciding who can be rehabilitated, who should be eligible for parole or the like. A slight misjudgement could have catastrophic consequences.

Aye, there are the criminally insane who spend the rest of their life in a maximum security mental facility (Broadmoor and the like) and those who aren't mad but very bad - the murderous psychopaths, who will be CAT A prisoners with no chance of parole. Not the kind of people whose path you would want to cross.

[Rumble de Thump]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63437208

[Pretty Boy]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65087221

Here we go again. No doubt a whole load more thoughts and prayers and promises of action before the NRA flex their muscles and everyone falls into line again.

[grunt]

THIS is last year's Christmas card from Tennessee Rep. Andy Ogles, a Republican who represents the district that Covenant School is in in Nashville.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsPocbRaMAAS8t3?format=jpg&name=large

[hibsbollah]

So there’s been thirteen mass school shootings in the US this year. Schools only, mind. And it’s still March. Thirteen. Let that sink in.

It’s a country I would no longer choose to live in.

[grunt]

Blimey.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsUivYBXgAE2b3S?format=jpg&name=medium

[Jones28]

I’m so so numbed to all of this.

The only thing that would really shock me with guns in America is if the ****ers in charge decided to actually make changes and do something about it.

[Paul1642]

Police body cam footage of the shooter being taken down has been released. Amazing work by all involved. Horrible viewing though.

https://twitter.com/theinsiderpaper/status/1640724213307699202?s=46&t=QfwAUDYQuecN_TDBpg3wPA

[Oscar T Grouch]

Blimey.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsUivYBXgAE2b3S?format=jpg&name=medium

In most normal countries the highest death toll of children and teens usually comes from RTC and being knocked down, usually in 2nd place is childhood cancers. In America since last year there are more kids killed by guns than RTCs and Childhood cancers. That is a shocking statistic for a few reasons, one, in most countries guns kill hardly any kids never mind as many as cars or cancer. Second, these deaths are preventable. I watched a Tennessee republican saying there is nothing he can or will do to prevent future deaths, he basically took the Hindu mantra of if it is gonna happen it is gonna happen smfh. When Clinton banned AR weapons and made them hard to get mass shootings went down massively, Bush changed that and here we are again talking about elementary school kids dying at school. Oh the lawmaker I mentioned above, he homeschools his kids :rolleyes:

[CropleyWasGod]

Not sure if this has been posted. I have only just seen it.

Controlling guns? Nope. Controlling drag acts? Hell, yeah.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/jon-stewart-gun-debate-video-dahm-1235340328/

[davy67 +]

Italian art experts astonished by David statue uproar in Florida https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65087218
Nothing surprises me anymore. There's been 131 mass shooting events already this year but
walking into a school with multiple weapons is ok , but if your kid sees a photo of statue then that's unthinkable and highly dangerous

[He's here!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

I don't know if the stats would bear it out - and it could be that there have just been some high profile cases lately - but gun crime in the UK seems to be more prevalent these days.

[Pretty Boy]

At such a difficult time it's good to see a spectacularly named US conservative do his bit to bring a smile to the situation:

https://twitter.com/Swank4America/status/1640409680500637696?t=n1HSDRZvd-A-kMerZ1_IvA&s=19

If this man hasn't considered changing his name how can you expect a whole country to change the 2nd amendment?

[Hibernian Verse]

I'll never understand why so many American's are bothered their arse about being able to own weapons.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

I don't know if the stats would bear it out - and it could be that there have just been some high profile cases lately - but gun crime in the UK seems to be more prevalent these days.

Don’t know the stats either but it’s been rising steadily since the Clinton ban on assault rifles ended.
To be honest, I don’t see anything changing the situation. Everyone knows it costs 50k lives a year and enough of America is cool with that to not see the law change anytime soon. And the part that aren’t cool with it won’t put in the money to buy the politicians they need. And it’s not a lot of money. About $20m a year would be enough to outspend the gun lobby and level the playing field.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

ex bank employee kills four https://news.sky.com/story/multiple-casualties-reported-in-louisville-shooting-12854405


five dead(inc shooter) one officer in hospital critical

[Just Alf]

And on it goes....

BBC News - Gunman kills five, including child, at Texas home
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65437185


Will they ever wake up?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

And on it goes....

BBC News - Gunman kills five, including child, at Texas home
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65437185


Will they ever wake up?

There's more chance of the poor people murdered over the years waking up than the gun happy idiots unfortunately.

[davy67 +]

Someone shoots a bunch of people and they shrug their shoulders and carry on as normal. A teacher shows her pupils a photo of the statue of The Boy David and has to resign after being accused of exposing the children to pornography . This is a country where they are quite happy to sell people assault rifles but Kinder Eggs are banned. It's a complete basket case of a country

[cabbageandribs1875]

another mass shooting in Serbia overnight for the second time this week Suspect arrested after second mass shooting in Serbia - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65490418)

8 dead last night and nine dead earlier in the week when a 13 year old started shooting a teacher/fellow schoolkids

[Sylar]

Yet another one, in a Texas mall in Allen, just north of Dallas.

7 dead (including gunman).

Like many above, I also feel numb to these headlines, and like 'bollah, it's not a country I'd ever consider living in anymore.

[He's here!]

Yet another one, in a Texas mall in Allen, just north of Dallas.

7 dead (including gunman).

Like many above, I also feel numb to these headlines, and like 'bollah, it's not a country I'd ever consider living in anymore.

Hard to comprehend how anyone in America can't accept that the gun laws need ripped up and rewritten. This endless slaughter is horrific.

[Keith_M]

Hard to comprehend how anyone in America can't accept that the gun laws need ripped up and rewritten. This endless slaughter is horrific.


:agree:


The ridiculous thing about it now is that it has become so commonplace that people seem to shrug their shoulders and move on to the next one.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Hard to comprehend how anyone in America can't accept that the gun laws need ripped up and rewritten. This endless slaughter is horrific.

I think they know this full well. It's more of a question of how they can do this in practice. Good luck to them trying to take guns off "proud gun owners", particularly in the red neck states.

[s.a.m]

I think they know this full well. It's more of a question of how they can do this in practice. Good luck to them trying to take guns off "proud gun owners", particularly in the red neck states.

This is the kind of thing they are dealing with:
The Texas Governor -

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FvfGD0MWwAE1N0W?format=jpg&name=small

This is Representative Keith Self, who represents Allen (the shooting location) in Congress:


https://twitter.com/i/status/1655187521779691521

Given the number and kind of guns in circulation, I'm struggling to feel anything other than despair at the hope of fixing this mess.

Edit: ... and you can add to that the b******ised reading of the second amendment which has in a fairly short period of time seized control of the narrative which is fed by the relentless lobbying of the NRA and their supporters and enablers.

[grunt]

https://twitter.com/mshavisham/status/1655093621115240449?s=20


Tonight, a mom joined the grieving parents FB group I belong to.

Her son was killed 22 mass shootings ago.

He was killed in a mass shooting last week.

[Victor]

I work with a lot of Americans and the majority of them are appalled at the lax gun laws in the US. However the overriding argument for them possessing a firearm is that there are so many in circulation that they would be at a disadvantage if they didn’t have one in their home. I am unsure how the US would go about taking firearms away from it’s citizens. The situation is further compounded by the views of the Republican Party who see any movement to restrict usage as an attack on their ‘rights’. It took the horror of Dunblane and the death of 16 to ban handguns in the UK, I think it would take an event that killed hundreds for a similar response in the USA.


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[McD]

https://twitter.com/mshavisham/status/1655093621115240449?s=20


took me a moment to understand this, but when I did, ****ing hell

[Hibrandenburg]

I work with a lot of Americans and the majority of them are appalled at the lax gun laws in the US. However the overriding argument for them possessing a firearm is that there are so many in circulation that they would be at a disadvantage if they didn’t have one in their home. I am unsure how the US would go about taking firearms away from it’s citizens. The situation is further compounded by the views of the Republican Party who see any movement to restrict usage as an attack on their ‘rights’. It took the horror of Dunblane and the death of 16 to ban handguns in the UK, I think it would take an event that killed hundreds for a similar response in the USA.


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That argumentation is flawed. I'm at a disadvantage because I don't go out the house tooled up with a knife, but if everybody started tooling up then it would only cause more knife crime not less. More guns can never be the solution.

[Victor]

That argumentation is flawed. I'm at a disadvantage because I don't go out the house tooled up with a knife, but if everybody started tooling up then it would only cause more knife crime not less. More guns can never be the solution.

Didn’t say that it was a solution, just giving an insight into the mindset of people who are not happy with the situation, but feel they require to be armed in a society were owning a gun is an almost default position. With regard to knife crime a lot of youngsters in inner cities do go out tooled up because almost everyone in their peer group is carrying a knife. It takes a lot to break the cycle.


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[AltheHibby]

took me a moment to understand this, but when I did, ****ing hell

Same here. As I said on the thread, I had to read it 3 times to get it.

[McD]

Same here. As I said on the thread, I had to read it 3 times to get it.


terrifying and heartbreaking isn’t it

[Oscar T Grouch]

https://twitter.com/mshavisham/status/1655093621115240449?s=20

One of the first replies to this tweet may have a solution that would maybe move America to apply some basic and sensible gun laws. While it would be further trauma for the families releasing photos of the dead would maybe help. They state in the tweet that Emmitt Til's mother did so to great effect in the age of segregation. I read a tweet from the 1st ambulance in attendance in Allen, they said the reached to feel a pulse and had to turn the body over which was face down in the dirt, as they did they noticed the woman no longer had a face. The descriptions from Uvalde were horrifying, the gunman literally blew the heads of some of these kids. I think America has become too numb to the announcements of mass shootings, they need to see the carnage these weapons cause. I wish there was a way of doing that without causing the victims families more trauma. I doubt that will ever happen, if i does I it would have to come from the victims families, like Til's mother did, rather than anyone else.

[grunt]

The first four months of U.S. gun violence in 2023, as of May 1st:


5,971 gun deaths
11,035 gun injuries
184 mass shootings
290 children shot
1,702 teenagers shot
359 incidents of defensive gun use
454 unintentional shootings
approx. 7,986 suicides [CDC estimate]

[Paulie Walnuts]

The first four months of U.S. gun violence in 2023, as of May 1st:


5,971 gun deaths
11,035 gun injuries
184 mass shootings
290 children shot
1,702 teenagers shot
359 incidents of defensive gun use
454 unintentional shootings
approx. 7,986 suicides [CDC estimate]


Miles more mass shootings than days in the year. Nearly 50 gun related deaths every day on average.

That is truly exceptional to read. In a bad way of course.

[AltheHibby]

terrifying and heartbreaking isn’t it

Yes.😪

I have seen the photo of that lovely family after that Nazi @#£%%^^ shot them. It is every bit as bad as you would expect.

[cabbageandribs1875]

several dead in Jacksonville, Florida

Jacksonville shooting: Several dead at Dollar General store in Florida - BBC News (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66630263)

A gunman killed several people in Jacksonville, Florida, before being shot dead by police, local media say.

The unidentified man opened fire and barricaded himself in a Dollar store, triggering a standoff with officers.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://news.stv.tv/world/at-least-16-dead-and-dozens-injured-in-maine-us-shootings


Not a school but all the warnings were there. Admitted to mental hospital with voices in his head telling him to kill people but still allowed guns!!!!

[Hibrandenburg]

https://news.stv.tv/world/at-least-16-dead-and-dozens-injured-in-maine-us-shootings


Not a school but all the warnings were there. Admitted to mental hospital with voices in his head telling him to kill people but still allowed guns!!!!

If only they'd had more guns. As long as Americans love their guns more than their children, this kind of incident will just leave me cold, I just can't get upset about it anymore.

[grunt]

Newly installed far right Christian fascist Republican leader of the House offers prayers in response to the Maine shooting. That'll work.