John McGinn

[JeMeSouviens]

Nah, but he moved to the championship to join Bournemouth. It was a clear step down.

Edouard to Palace is a step up in my opinion.

:agree:

If your ambition is to reach a top club then you have to step up from the OF to prove you can play in the Premiership first. I doubt Edouard will go higher than Palace but he's given himself a chance. Liverpool would never have signed Van Dijk from Celtc but he proved he could cut it in that league at Southampton.

It's interesting to speculate how Scott Brown would've done if he'd taken the chance.

[Mcbizz1998]

:agree:

If your ambition is to reach a top club then you have to step up from the OF to prove you can play in the Premiership first. I doubt Edouard will go higher than Palace but he's given himself a chance. Liverpool would never have signed Van Dijk from Celtc but he proved he could cut it in that league at Southampton.

It's interesting to speculate how Scott Brown would've done if he'd taken the chance.

Agreed. Scott Brown is one I always felt lacked the ambition to make a move but then again, maybe he didn’t have the options?

[danhibees1875]

Why would he go to the second tier?

It would lack ambition to go to Celtic instead of playing in the EPL, which is where he will stay even after he leaves Villa.

Sure he can come and be a big fish in a small pond, win some trophies and get pumped in the Champions League every year if that’s what he wants to do but I would regard that as lacking ambition considering where he is. As for being near his family, who? His parents?

What's the alternative? Don't win trophies and get pumped off league teams instead of champions league teams?

His great auntie Catherine lives nearby...
Honestly have no idea what his family situation is, it just felt like a reasonable thing to say at the time bus was entirely baseless. :greengrin Most people have family near to where they grow up though.

[cameronw-hfc]

Harsh on Bale comparing him to McGinn. He won another title the other day.


wasn't comparing ability, obviously John wins there 😏. Seriously though, was just meaning the scenario of Bale struggling at club level but doing well Internationally was similar to Mcginn currently.

[jacomo]

Agreed. Scott Brown is one I always felt lacked the ambition to make a move but then again, maybe he didn’t have the options?


For the thousandth time… Scott Brown stayed in Scotland for very valid personal reasons.

[zitelli62]

For the thousandth time… Scott Brown stayed in Scotland for very valid personal reasons.

Dodgy hips I heard probably a lot of rubbish though came fron a great source.

[HoboHarry]

For the thousandth time… Scott Brown stayed in Scotland for very valid personal reasons.
Wasting your time - been seeing that written on here for years. Absolute nonsense then and it still is now.

[jacomo]

Dodgy hips I heard probably a lot of rubbish though came fron a great source.


Dodgy hips that were ok for Celtc and Scotland but not an English club? You’ve not thought this through have you?

[jacomo]

Wasting your time - been seeing that written on here for years. Absolute nonsense then and it still is now.


You’re right but it just infuriates me. Hibs fans who seem desperate to talk down one of our own who went on to have a great career - I mean, wtf?

[Just_Jimmy]

You’re right but it just infuriates me. Hibs fans who seem desperate to talk down one of our own who went on to have a great career - I mean, wtf?He was an excellent player for Hibs and celtic but he was never "one of our own". He was a hun who became a celtic legend. He spent most of his career away from hibs. I've never understood the fawning over him past him being a very good cup winning player for us early in his career.

Certainly seems a decent bloke, I'll give him that.

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[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Interesting.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/john-mcginn-won-t-be-happy-as-aston-villa-rumour-emerges-opinion/ar-AA14iQL4?ocid=AMZN

[Tyler Durden]

Interesting.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/john-mcginn-won-t-be-happy-as-aston-villa-rumour-emerges-opinion/ar-AA14iQL4?ocid=AMZN

Don’t see any prospect of Kessie going to Villa and certainly not for £12m

[HibeeHibernia]

Interesting.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/john-mcginn-won-t-be-happy-as-aston-villa-rumour-emerges-opinion/ar-AA14iQL4?ocid=AMZN

I hope our recruitment team are keeping tabs on this

[NAE NOOKIE]

Interesting.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/john-mcginn-won-t-be-happy-as-aston-villa-rumour-emerges-opinion/ar-AA14iQL4?ocid=AMZN

If he is edged out he is still contracted to 2025 which means any club moving for him will still have to stump up in the region of 20 million quid. Not the payday Hibs might have hoped for in the past, but we would still get a reasonable payday out of it. You could see a relegated EPL club looking at him as just the sort of experience and drive required to get them out of the championship at the first time of asking.

[MWHIBBIES]

Interesting.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/john-mcginn-won-t-be-happy-as-aston-villa-rumour-emerges-opinion/ar-AA14iQL4?ocid=AMZN

Kessie moving for 12 million to Villa :faf:

No chance of that happening.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Don’t see any prospect of Kessie going to Villa and certainly not for £12m

Seemed quite low to me too.

[CockneyRebel]

:agree:

If your ambition is to reach a top club then you have to step up from the OF to prove you can play in the Premiership first. I doubt Edouard will go higher than Palace but he's given himself a chance. Liverpool would never have signed Van Dijk from Celtc but he proved he could cut it in that league at Southampton.

It's interesting to speculate how Scott Brown would've done if he'd taken the chance.



There isn't anywhere higher than Palace. :greengrin:greengrin

[cameronw-hfc]

Kessie moving for 12 million to Villa :faf:

No chance of that happening.


Might be. It's because Barca want Luiz so offering us Kessie on a cut-price deal, given Luiz just signed a new deal assuming his transfer fee would be void and Villa would pay 12m for Kessie.

[MWHIBBIES]

Might be. It's because Barca want Luiz so offering us Kessie on a cut-price deal, given Luiz just signed a new deal assuming his transfer fee would be void and Villa would pay 12m for Kessie.

Kessie left AC Milan who were offering the same as Barcelona, after a brilliant season. He is not going to Villa after 6 months there. He would still get into most sides in the world. Villa are well below his level.

[cameronw-hfc]

Kessie left AC Milan who were offering the same as Barcelona, after a brilliant season. He is not going to Villa after 6 months there. He would still get into most sides in the world. Villa are well below his level.


I don't think its gonna happen, but its not as far off as you think. Money dictates a lot in football, and Villa are loaded. Folk said the same about Coutinho and Emery, convinced both of them easily.

[MWHIBBIES]

I don't think its gonna happen, but its not as far off as you think. Money dictates a lot in football, and Villa are loaded. Folk said the same about Coutinho and Emery, convinced both of them easily.

Who said those things about Emery and Coutinho? Very different situations. Coutinho especially had no other option. Kessie certainly will.

[cameronw-hfc]

Who said those things about Emery and Coutinho? Very different situations. Coutinho especially had no other option. Kessie certainly will.


Pretty much the whole of social media thought there was no chance of either. Villa are a massive club, with a lot of money. I don't think its likely, but you're definitely a bit too ott on it. It's a possibility, especially if Barca want rid. They'll want to get a decent fee that a lot of clubs might not pay in January, and Villa have the Luiz swap meaning he might only have one option. It would be a hell of a signing, but its not unrealistic to the point of it will never happen, especially given Villa want to be in Europe within a year or two tops.

If it was the Villa team of 2 years ago I'd agree, but its a different team now, and a pretty ambitious one at that.

[MWHIBBIES]

Pretty much the whole of social media thought there was no chance of either. Villa are a massive club, with a lot of money. I don't think its likely, but you're definitely a bit too ott on it. It's a possibility, especially if Barca want rid. They'll want to get a decent fee that a lot of clubs might not pay in January, and Villa have the Luiz swap meaning he might only have one option. It would be a hell of a signing, but its not unrealistic to the point of it will never happen, especially given Villa want to be in Europe within a year or two tops.

If it was the Villa team of 2 years ago I'd agree, but its a different team now, and a pretty ambitious one at that.

This is more like when Villa tried for Smith Rowe. Villa fans actually thought it was happening and everyone else was laughing . Ambition is great, but reality is quite different.

[villahibs]

This is more like when Villa tried for Smith Rowe. Villa fans actually thought it was happening and everyone else was laughing . Ambition is great, but reality is quite different.

Villa and arsenal were both trying to sign Buendia. How did that end up?

[MWHIBBIES]

Villa and arsenal were both trying to sign Buendia. How did that end up?

They got their first choice, the vastly superior Martin Odegaard instead, who has captained then to a 5 point lead?

[HibeeHibernia]

john mcginn needs to play at a football club where he is appreciated and adored, Ian gordon are you watching.

[Keith_M]

john mcginn needs to play at football where he is appreciated and adored,....



St Mirren?

[HibeeHibernia]

St Mirren?

That's exactly who i was thinking about keith mate

[cameronw-hfc]

This is more like when Villa tried for Smith Rowe. Villa fans actually thought it was happening and everyone else was laughing . Ambition is great, but reality is quite different.

No villa fan thought it would happen. They were winding the arsenal fans up because they went into meltdown when Buendia came here instead, nobody really thought it would happen though.

[MWHIBBIES]

No villa fan thought it would happen. They were winding the arsenal fans up because they went into meltdown when Buendia came here instead, nobody really thought it would happen though.

Social media did, yes. It was a good laugh.

Villa fans actually believed they were more attractive and he'd go there.

[cameronw-hfc]

Social media did, yes. It was a good laugh.

Villa fans actually believed they were more attractive and he'd go there.

I don't know a single Villa fan that truly believed it. It was a bold try from the club that the fans ran with to wind up the arsenal fans.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a club trying to punch above their weight, showing ambition is something clubs don't do enough in football now. Even though I'm a Villa guy, I'm happy to see any fallen giant trying to get back to their former glory, and Villa have everything there to push in. 18k fans on the waiting list for a season ticket, loaded owners, a decent yet imbalanced team, a European quality manager, a stadium upgrade on the way, an MLS feeder club being set up. Villa might not be there yet but they're perfectly capable. If Newcastle can be linked with some of the mad signings they've been linked with I dont think Villa should be laughed at for trying either.

I'd actually like to see the likes of Forrest, Leeds and Everton start acting like the big clubs they're supposed to be as well, at least Villa are trying. I dont think Kessie will happen, but I also don't think it's as outrageous an attempt as you do, he's not exactly top 4/5 in the world in his position, an upgrade on Villa currently? Yeah, but you can only grow as a club by showing ambition. There's been a lot more outrageous signings happened than Kessie joining Villa.

[hibees 7062]

john mcginn needs to play at a football club where he is appreciated and adored, Ian gordon are you watching.

Yep , let’s bring him home

[Keith_M]

That's exactly who i was thinking about keith mate


:greengrin

[HibeeHibernia]

Yep , let’s bring him home

it's time jim mate

[cabbageandribs1875]

SJM's favourite football memory...

Football Focus: Aston Villa's John McGinn discusses his most memorable career moments - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/64907692)

[Broken Gnome]

SJM's favourite football memory...

Football Focus: Aston Villa's John McGinn discusses his most memorable career moments - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/64907692)

Did the BBC not do the same interview with him a few years ago?

[HoboHarry]

Disagree. I see him weekly as a Villa fan, and as a Hibby also I would say I'm bias towards John, although there's no defending him atm for Villa. He's been used in a 6,8 and 10 for Villa and hasn't looked close to the player we know he can be for about a year now.

He's 150% lost form, he's easily in the worst form of his whole career right now, he just doesn't show it for Scotland. Similar to Bale in recent years I guess, but Mcginn has defo been shocking in the 10 as well as deeper for Villa.
Thought you said yesterday you hadn't seen him play this season? You need to make up your mind.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Did the BBC not do the same interview with him a few years ago?


no idea :greengrin that was only put up on the beeb site three hours ago, maybe they were hoping he would say something different this time around ;)

[Hibbyradge]

Thought you said yesterday you hadn't seen him play this season? You need to make up your mind.

:hilarious

[cameronw-hfc]

Thought you said yesterday you hadn't seen him play this season? You need to make up your mind.

Want to find that where I said that? I actually said I've not been to a game, but due to PL games being easier to stream I tend to catch them all in contrary to hibs as I can't make ER often anymore due to finances.

This is the second thread you've gone out of your way to try have a go. If you've taken issue with anything I've said I apologise but its seeming a bit childish now.

Since you obviously either don't want to read what I've said or just want an excuse to have a pop, here's a copy paste of me saying "I've not seen him this season"
You were miles off.


Never been to a Villa game this season, not sure where the digs come from. I support Hibs because im from Edinburgh and have done all my life. I had a brummie uncle who lived next door who always had Villa on when I was round, so naturally adopted them as my second team, given I can't make many Hibs games this season, and EP games are easier to stream I tend to catch most.

Sorry if me piping in about McGinn when he's mentioned to try give the perspective of someone that sees him more often than not has angered you for whatever reason.

[JohnM1875]

Did the BBC not do the same interview with him a few years ago?

They did and his answer is still the same. I don't think any Hibs player involved in that cup win will ever top that experience.

They made history.

[JimBHibees]

no idea :greengrin that was only put up on the beeb site three hours ago, maybe they were hoping he would say something different this time around ;)

They did a similar one a few years back with much more about Hibs

[Greenbeard]

SJM's favourite football memory...

Football Focus: Aston Villa's John McGinn discusses his most memorable career moments - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/64907692)
Angling for a move to Spurs? :wink:

[HendoDelivered]

Kovacic names SJM as hardest opponent faced in the prem 👌🏼

[JeMeSouviens]

They did and his answer is still the same. I don't think any Hibs player involved in that cup win will ever top that experience.

They made history.

Interviewer reveals agenda by ignoring answer and immediately asking about becoming a Premier League player. Obvs expected the play off game, probably scunnered they had to go and dig out clips of Hibs. :rolleyes:

[Hibee Mac]

Kovacic names SJM as hardest opponent faced in the prem [emoji1362]I don't blame him, the widest arse in football

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[HoboHarry]

I don't blame him, the widest arse in football

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I'd have said Morelos had that....

[Wilson]

I'd have said Morelos had that....

You might be right but it's the way SJM weilds his.

[007]

They did a similar one a few years back with much more about Hibs

He probably spoke about us just as much this time, you can tell they've edited it where he was just starting to say some more.

[Bridge hibs]

You might be right but it's the way SJM weilds his.Arse cheeks like a pair of swinging boulders, I wonder how many opponents he has injured with them 😀

[Mick O'Rourke]

SJM's favourite football memory...

Football Focus: Aston Villa's John McGinn discusses his most memorable career moments - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/64907692)


John is on Football Focus today at 12.00 BBC 1
Trailer on Radio Scotland earlier suggests more chat than shown in above link from BBC website...which is also good !

[He's here!]

BBC's man of the match v West Ham today.

[04Sauzee]

BBC's man of the match v West Ham today.

And on the poll on their match day thread on the villa forums

[Shrekko]

Seems to be well back in favour with Villa's fans.

[cameronw-hfc]

Seems to be well back in favour with Villa's fans.

New system, break from the team, was at #6 today as a well and was brilliant. Not sure the reason for the turnaround in form but long may it last.

[HoboHarry]

Seems to be well back in favour with Villa's fans.

He said in his midweek interview that he had a changed role under the new manager and was enjoying it. Huh, players being asked to do what they are good at instead of being shoehorned into different positions? Probably never catch on.....

[MWHIBBIES]

He said in his midweek interview that he had a changed role under the new manager and was enjoying it. Huh, players being asked to do what they are good at instead of being shoehorned into different positions? Probably never catch on.....

Mcginn was playing badly in his natural position under Gerrard. It was nothing to do with being out of position. Emery has done that more than Gerrard did.

The difference is, Emery is a real manager, Gerrard isnt. And mcginn has found form again.

[Rumble de Thump]

Mcginn was playing badly in his natural position under Gerrard. It was nothing to do with being out of position. Emery has done that more than Gerrard did.

The difference is, Emery is a real manager, Gerrard isnt. And mcginn has found form again.

Gerrard definitely tended to play him out of position. He's a great player so can play in a variety of positions but Steve Clarke, for example, gets the best out of him because he plays him in his best position.

[HoboHarry]

Mcginn was playing badly in his natural position under Gerrard. It was nothing to do with being out of position. Emery has done that more than Gerrard did.

The difference is, Emery is a real manager, Gerrard isnt. And mcginn has found form again.
He discusses his change of role from 3:28 onwards. It was based on a discussion between him and Emery about how he he could be used more effectively.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=214211704513242

[HoboHarry]

Gerrard definitely tended to play him out of position. He's a great player so can play in a variety of positions but Steve Clarke, for example, gets the best out of him because he plays him in his best position.
:agree:

[cameronw-hfc]

Gerrard definitely tended to play him out of position. He's a great player so can play in a variety of positions but Steve Clarke, for example, gets the best out of him because he plays him in his best position.

Doesn't explain his poor run of form starting under Dean Smith though. Someone who got the best out of John for a few years. I love him, but there's too many excuses from hibs fans about him. Can't we just accept he had a dip in form and there doesn't always need to be someone to blame? The team went through a dip and John wasn't any different.

He's back on form now though and seems to be hungrier than ever. It's also probably his first and only poor run of form in his career. Seems to have worked on his passing recently as it's hugely improved.

So far for Emery he's played left wing for about 20 mins, Right wing for a few games and was back at #6/pivot today due to Kamara being injured, it's not a positional thing as JM has had tons of good games for Villa at #6, a position he can play pretty well as cover.

I've said before but I genuinely believe he just needed a rest. He played almost every game when fit for Hibs, Villa and Scotland for years now, I don't buy the positional stuff because I've seen him play brilliant in those roles, he just burned himself out a bit. Needed a few weeks out. I will say having Gerrard as a coach and the way the he had the team playing definitely won't have helped, but people forget the poor run of form started under Smith, playing as an 8.

Edit- should say im not having a go at anyone in the replies or even John when mentioning excuses. Just my opinion. I do think it's natural when you love a player so much to say "aye but this is why he struggled" rather than just admit he had a poor run, but unfortunately that's what has happened with SJM. A bad run doesn't make him a poor player though, or even close to it, he's just not perfect.

[Smartie]

Gerrard definitely tended to play him out of position. He's a great player so can play in a variety of positions but Steve Clarke, for example, gets the best out of him because he plays him in his best position.

I’m not convinced Steve Clarke does play him in his best position, but given he’s an excellent and versatile player, and that we have decent strength in depth in his best position, he still manages to do a great job for Scotland.


I’m happy with the explanation that he was a bit jaded tbh. He’d played a lot of football under pressure, with few breaks, over a long time. That’s going to take its toll and come to a head at some point. He’s played in European games for Hibs, international games for Scotland and in the playoffs for Villa at daft early / late points in the season. A player who plays with energy is going to suffer with that sort of schedule every year for a number of years.

[MagicSwirlingShip]

The big move is back on boys! Get the bubbly on ice

[Greenbeard]

Not sure if posted already but this is worth a look, although there is more St Mirren content than Hibs. Also disappointing that minimal mention of May 2016 and no match footage, especially when previously SJM has said it was the best moment of his career.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xufR0RELRxQ