How many season tickets sold

[Stairway 2 7]

Which one? It cant be the middle block ( 18 ) because it would prevent anybody sitting in the blocks either side seeing the side of the pitch the other side of the standing area area to them.

You could try one of the end blocks ( 16 or 20 ) but even then the top third of the block next to it would still almost certainly be prevented from seeing the corner of the pitch directly in front of the standing area.

As I said ... half assed. I am absolutely sure, especially if we have a better season than the last one, that if they made the whole thing a proper rail seated area ( the seats would be required if we are in Europe ) we would get at least a thousand fans wanting to go there from the off and I think nay saying that because of our recent efforts at a standing section would be comparing apples to oranges, because a proper dedicated self contained standing section would be a massive step up from those tepid offerings in the minds of many of our younger fans.

Sorry, I am aware this is a ST thread :greengrin

LA and a few other teams have middle sections standing behind the goals, fans in seating sections can see fine. Loads in Europe too
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Killie have one the back of one section, bet a few of their fans had a right huff
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Shrewsbury are having the back of every section
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[Capt Mainwaring]

Hearts chap at my work said he looked at the dots of ST's and it was nowhere near 10k sold

Bitter i dare say

There are genuinely sad Bams on Kickback that do dot counts as a means to support their small man syndrome! These Bams would tell you we haven’t sold 10k, but if we have, it’s because everyone is buying concessions when not entitled to!

10k is a fine landmark to reach in mid June and if we can pass 11/12k by time the season starts, that would be tremendous considering last season’s performance and the current financial climate

We’re a far more resilient support than a lot of commentators on here would lead you to believe 😉

[JohnM1875]

Hearts chap at my work said he looked at the dots of ST's and it was nowhere near 10k sold

Bitter i dare say

How sad a life must you lead if you're counting dots of a team you don't supports season ticket sales.

Saying that I'm not surprised cause I know a few hearts fans where it genuinely seems like an obsession to point out how big and great they are. Werdos.

[Pretty Boy]

How sad a life must you lead if you're counting dots of a team you don't supports season ticket sales.

Saying that I'm not surprised cause I know a few hearts fans where it genuinely seems like an obsession to point out how big and great they are. Werdos.

Hearts fanbase seems to be made up of the kind of guys that would stick a cucumber in their swimming shorts on holiday.

16 major honours in 148 years, none in the last 10 years, without a win in a trophy they dub the 'wee cup' for almost 60 years, have won both major trophies less recently than their biggest rivals and they call themselves the 'big team'.

Hibs record in the major competitions is dismal as well. We don't have any kind of delusions otherwise though.

[Alex Trager]

Hearts chap at my work said he looked at the dots of ST's and it was nowhere near 10k sold

Bitter i dare say

Rent free in their tiny minds

[Antifa Hibs]

Hearts fanbase seems to be made up of the kind of guys that would stick a cucumber in their swimming shorts on holiday.

16 major honours in 148 years, none in the last 10 years, without a win in a trophy they dub the 'wee cup' for almost 60 years, have won both major trophies less recently than their biggest rivals and they call themselves the 'big team'.

Hibs record in the major competitions is dismal as well. We don't have any kind of delusions otherwise though.

That's the difference. Our league records are pish. Our cup wins our pish. We know that, they somehow think they're the "third force" like being 3rd in anything actually means something.



Regarding 10k that's a good number considering how bad it was last season. Hopefully get over 11k by start of the season :flag:

[Squealing pig]

10k all things considered is a decent outcome , hopefully push on and increase in walk ups this upcoming season

[Ronniekirk]

10k all things considered is a decent outcome , hopefully push on and increase in walk ups this upcoming season

The Marque signings have still to be signed .12 thousand by start of Season

[HH81]

Season ticket sales will be kept higher as the gate prices are very high.

Guessing anyone attending 10+ homes games will just buy a season ticket now.

I'm still tempted to buy one.

[Keith_M]

Ten thousand at this stage is tremendous. After last season, I thought we might struggle to get that many by the time the season starts.


It's more than I thought we would have sold at this point.

[green day]

How sad a life must you lead if you're counting dots of a team you don't supports season ticket sales.

Saying that I'm not surprised cause I know a few hearts fans where it genuinely seems like an obsession to point out how big and great they are. Werdos.

Hearts fans are hilarious, they have no self awareness at all.

They are not a bad team at the moment, but lets not pretend they are world beaters.

In their last competitive match - their only chance of silverware this season - they had no (zero) shots on target in 120 minutes. A capitulation of monumental proportions.

They have reached the Scottish Cup final 3 of the last 4 years and bottled it in different ways each time. In between these campaigns they lost to Brora Rangers :thumbsup:

As mentioned by another poster, they have just entered a second decade with no trophy, and there is barely a Hearts fan alive who has seen them lift the League Cup.

They are a joke club, overspending and lack of end product is the Hearts way :agree:

[mjhibby]

Hearts fans are hilarious, they have no self awareness at all.

They are not a bad team at the moment, but lets not pretend they are world beaters.

In their last competitive match - their only chance of silverware this season - they had no (zero) shots on target in 120 minutes. A capitulation of monumental proportions.

They have reached the Scottish Cup final 3 of the last 4 years and bottled it in different ways each time. In between these campaigns they lost to Brora Rangers :thumbsup:

As mentioned by another poster, they have just entered a second decade with no trophy, and there is barely a Hearts fan alive who has seen them lift the League Cup.

They are a joke club, overspending and lack of end product is the Hearts way :agree:

When you consider anderson has put in around £15m allegedly thats a spectacular fail on all fronts. If we had wasted that amount and been as dismal as them this place would be going tonto. They will continue to overspend as they have done for decades and always believe someone will bail them out. I find it quite funny actually.

[Mrimbetween]

Laughing at Hearts, why not

Right now is pushing it after the recent ***** we have put a spin on

Just wait and see what pans out next season ,as for this season WTF do we have to celebrate l,ove an anderson here ,, be magic and a £145k a month coming in

Best wait till we can ram it up them, right now, naw

[Lago]

You would have to ask the club WTF the point of that is? The only way I could see it working would be if they made something like the top 10 rows standing, coz if you try it in sections inevitably you will block somebody's view who is sitting.

We have a 20,400 seat stadium, the FF lower only has a capacity of 2000 so why not do it right make the whole thing standing and stop being so half arsed about stuff?
Yip your right all or nothing.

[JimBHibees]

Laughing at Hearts, why not

Right now is pushing it after the recent ***** we have put a spin on

Just wait and see what pans out next season ,as for this season WTF do we have to celebrate l,ove an anderson here ,, be magic and a £145k a month coming in

Best wait till we can ram it up them, right now, naw

It is a Hibs fans site we are allowed to laugh at Hearts

[Mrimbetween]

It is a Hibs fans site we are allowed to laugh at Hearts
Fair point just not that happy right now

[NAE NOOKIE]

LA and a few other teams have middle sections standing behind the goals, fans in seating sections can see fine. Loads in Europe too
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Killie have one the back of one section, bet a few of their fans had a right huff
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Shrewsbury are having the back of every section
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My original comment made reference to having the back rows standing mate, if we were going to take the half assed approach that would probably be the only sensible way to do it. LA FC's standing area takes up the whole of the stand behind the goal so of course it doesn't block anyone's view, I've seen enough of their games on You Tube to know what it looks like.

[GreenGray]

My original comment made reference to having the back rows standing mate, if we were going to take the half assed approach that would probably be the only sensible way to do it. LA FC's standing area takes up the whole of the stand behind the goal so of course it doesn't block anyone's view, I've seen enough of their games on You Tube to know what it looks like.

Would people standing in say the end block of the FF lower really be blocking anyones view? I suppose it’s hard to tell but I wouldn’t think so surely?


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[Glory Lurker]

What happens if it doesn't sell out every game?

[Ringothedog]

Laughing at Hearts, why not

Right now is pushing it after the recent ***** we have put a spin on

Just wait and see what pans out next season ,as for this season WTF do we have to celebrate l,ove an anderson here ,, be magic and a £145k a month coming in

Best wait till we can ram it up them, right now, naw

WTF, the minute I stop slagging that lot of I will be dead. They are a joke of a club with delusions of grandeur. **** them they are ****ty poppy thieves

[Ringothedog]

What happens if it doesn't sell out every game?

Surely the same as other parts of the ground…nothing

[NAE NOOKIE]

Would people standing in say the end block of the FF lower really be blocking anyones view? I suppose it’s hard to tell but I wouldn’t think so surely?


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If you had an end block filled with folk standing I would imagine it would almost certainly block the view of the corner of the pitch for anyone sitting in the top few rows of the block next to it ... the only way I could see this working would be say to have the top 6 rows or so of each FF block as standing sections.

If you ask me it's either do it properly and commit to it as a 2000 capacity proper standing area that the club pushes as an exciting new venture to enthuse especially our younger fans, or don't bother at all. I for one think going for it full on with the club fully behind it and pushing it could be a roaring success, take the tepid approach and it will just be yet another failed attempt at building an 'ultras' area that simply looks like yet more lip service from the club to something they for far too long have seemed to see as an inconvenience.

[Paul1642]

Laughing at Hearts, why not

Right now is pushing it after the recent ***** we have put a spin on

Just wait and see what pans out next season ,as for this season WTF do we have to celebrate l,ove an anderson here ,, be magic and a £145k a month coming in

Best wait till we can ram it up them, right now, naw

We have won both trophies more recently than they have and they have been relegated more recently than us. We came 3rd two seasons ago and they came 3rd one season ago. Last seasons Hibs is a perfect example of how little that means going into next season.

We have a promising new manager and all to play for. Maybe not much to laugh at but at the same time nothing at all to fear. They weren’t great last year, everyone else was just worse.

[Stairway 2 7]

My original comment made reference to having the back rows standing mate, if we were going to take the half assed approach that would probably be the only sensible way to do it. LA FC's standing area takes up the whole of the stand behind the goal so of course it doesn't block anyone's view, I've seen enough of their games on You Tube to know what it looks like.

No both la galaxy and la fc have a section to the left and right of it sitting, it's the middle sections standing

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[nickwhibs]

If you had an end block filled with folk standing I would imagine it would almost certainly block the view of the corner of the pitch for anyone sitting in the top few rows of the block next to it ... the only way I could see this working would be say to have the top 6 rows or so of each FF block as standing sections.

If you ask me it's either do it properly and commit to it as a 2000 capacity proper standing area that the club pushes as an exciting new venture to enthuse especially our younger fans, or don't bother at all. I for one think going for it full on with the club fully behind it and pushing it could be a roaring success, take the tepid approach and it will just be yet another failed attempt at building an 'ultras' area that simply looks like yet more lip service from the club to something they for far too long have seemed to see as an inconvenience.

Agree with this. Would love if the club did this and would make Easter Road more appealing for a lot of fans imo

[NAE NOOKIE]

No both la galaxy and la fc have a section to the left and right of it sitting, it's the middle sections standing

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The LA FC seating areas on either side of standing are further out than the end blocks in the FF lower and are also set at an angle, apples and oranges with that one so far as I can see mate. As for LA Galaxy, they do seem to have seats at either side of their standing section, but looking at the pictures I still can't see how the folk in the top rows of the end sections can see the far corner of the pitch at that end past the standing folk. I for one would be looking for a massive discount for a ticket in those sections.

[Stairway 2 7]

The LA FC seating areas on either side of standing are further out than the end blocks in the FF lower and are also set at an angle, apples and oranges with that one so far as I can see mate. As for LA Galaxy, they do seem to have seats at either side of their standing section, but looking at the pictures I still can't see how the folk in the top rows of the end sections can see the far corner of the pitch at that end past the standing folk. I for one would be looking for a massive discount for a ticket in those sections.

At la fc there is about 10 seats in the end block that is flat with the standing seats, check first pic particularly. You can obviously see fine thanks to the aisle.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

At la fc there is about 10 seats in the end block that is flat with the standing seats, check first pic particularly. You can obviously see fine thanks to the aisle.

Yeah. Much a do about nothing

[RIP]

When I worked with Fife Hyland in 2009 to set up the East Stand Singing Section he wanted to allocate a quarter of the new stand at the away end. I told him 1,500 was way too ambitious given that we only had @300-400 standing under the gantry.

A Standing Section of 2,000 at Sevco might be possible but never at Hibs.

[Mrimbetween]

We have won both trophies more recently than they have and they have been relegated more recently than us. We came 3rd two seasons ago and they came 3rd one season ago. Last seasons Hibs is a perfect example of how little that means going into next season.

We have a promising new manager and all to play for. Maybe not much to laugh at but at the same time nothing at all to fear. They weren’t great last year, everyone else was just worse.


Yeah pretty much with you and without gordon, i wonder

Though id love a Euro trip, canny beat them, hopefully soon

[Callum_62]

At this rate we wouldve have had to extend Easter Road if we appointed JDT!

[emoji102]

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[NAE NOOKIE]

When I worked with Fife Hyland in 2009 to set up the East Stand Singing Section he wanted to allocate a quarter of the new stand at the away end. I told him 1,500 was way too ambitious given that we only had @300-400 standing under the gantry.

A Standing Section of 2,000 at Sevco might be possible but never at Hibs.

Why not? ........ I just don't get this ultra negativity based on an apples v oranges take on the history of attempts to create a standing section since the stadium has become all seated. To date every single attempt at it has been against a background of the club practically being dragged kicking and screaming to agree to it and every version has been the same, a small section of a much bigger stand and every time out of the way .. either at the arse end of the 6000 plus capacity east or up in the gods in a corner of the FF.

None of these 'options' holds a candle to the prospect of a 2000 capacity FF lower with rail seats, which rather than being yet another square peg in a round hole which has been the approach up until now, would be a self contained area set aside for the sole purpose of bringing together our most vocal and boisterous supporters .... it would be their part of the stadium, not an inconvenient part of a larger area or out of the way, but an easily identifiable, and controllable, part of the stadium which would be front and centre in the stadiums atmosphere and which they could readily identify with.

If the club were fully behind this and made an effort to push occupation of it I'm absolutely convinced we could get up to 1,500 fans or more using it at most league games. I point you to the blizzard of posts doubting we would get anywhere near selling 10,000 STs for next season on the back of last years poor effort and yet the fans of this club have put that theory to bed way before the season has even started ... I simply do not believe that if given the chance many of our supporters would not jump at the chance to create and be part of a proper kop style standing area.

[Tyler Durden]

When I worked with Fife Hyland in 2009 to set up the East Stand Singing Section he wanted to allocate a quarter of the new stand at the away end. I told him 1,500 was way too ambitious given that we only had @300-400 standing under the gantry.

A Standing Section of 2,000 at Sevco might be possible but never at Hibs.

Oh well that closes the debate then…..

Even in the space of 13 years, things have changed a lot. 2,000 could be achievable. We likely wouldn’t want to go that high due to costs anyway but it’s not a crazy suggestion. I agree with some other posters that the option would attract young fans who otherwise may think twice about going.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Why not? ........ I just don't get this ultra negativity based on an apples v oranges take on the history of attempts to create a standing section since the stadium has become all seated. To date every single attempt at it has been against a background of the club practically being dragged kicking and screaming to agree to it and every version has been the same, a small section of a much bigger stand and every time out of the way .. either at the arse end of the 6000 plus capacity east or up in the gods in a corner of the FF.

None of these 'options' holds a candle to the prospect of a 2000 capacity FF lower with rail seats, which rather than being yet another square peg in a round hole which has been the approach up until now, would be a self contained area set aside for the sole purpose of bringing together our most vocal and boisterous supporters .... it would be their part of the stadium, not an inconvenient part of a larger area or out of the way, but an easily identifiable, and controllable, part of the stadium which would be front and centre in the stadiums atmosphere and which they could readily identify with.

If the club were fully behind this and made an effort to push occupation of it I'm absolutely convinced we could get up to 1,500 fans or more using it at most league games. I point you to the blizzard of posts doubting we would get anywhere near selling 10,000 STs for next season on the back of last years poor effort and yet the fans of this club have put that theory to bed way before the season has even started ... I simply do not believe that if given the chance many of our supporters would not jump at the chance to create and be part of a proper kop style standing area.

As someone who was heavily involved in Section 43 and then Since 1875 it was extremely challenging to get 100 people involved in that sort of culture, never mind 2k. Safe standing in FFL definitely would have helped, but the facts are 20% of our ST holders do not want to stand and sing for the majority of the match. That’s not a criticism, it’s their choice. Old Firm have the same problem. Yes their numbers are greater, but percentage wise it’s similar. There’s a different mentality in the UK compared to most other European leagues.

[GreenCastle]

It maybe wouldn’t be full every game but a full standing section for the derbies would be definitely happen.

The atmosphere would be immense.

Hibs have plenty of seats just now - give fans another option. It would take time but I’m certain a good section of noise and flags etc would grow with others who just want to stand also able to find space to do so.

[NAE NOOKIE]

As someone who was heavily involved in Section 43 and then Since 1875 it was extremely challenging to get 100 people involved in that sort of culture, never mind 2k. Safe standing in FFL definitely would have helped, but the facts are 20% of our ST holders do not want to stand and sing for the majority of the match. That’s not a criticism, it’s their choice. Old Firm have the same problem. Yes their numbers are greater, but percentage wise it’s similar. There’s a different mentality in the UK compared to most other European leagues.

Why would it have to be just ST holders?. I would imagine quite a few of our younger fans still exist as walk ups given the cost of a season ticket for anybody over the age of 16. I use the term 'ultras' quite a bit because its useful as shorthand, but I wouldn't think a fan wanting to be part of this would need to want to be part of 'ultras' culture, simply a person who thinks it might be more fun to join in with a singing section behind the goals.

Like I said, the club has never actively pushed a singing section and there has never been anything like the FF lower made available for such a project. IMO the reaction to such a move would be vastly different to previous efforts and I remain convinced it could work well and be far more popular than even guys like you involved in previous attempt think it would.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Why would it have to be just ST holders?. I would imagine quite a few of our younger fans still exist as walk ups given the cost of a season ticket for anybody over the age of 16. I use the term 'ultras' quite a bit because its useful as shorthand, but I wouldn't think a fan wanting to be part of this would need to want to be part of 'ultras' culture, simply a person who thinks it might be more fun to join in with a singing section behind the goals.

Like I said, the club has never actively pushed a singing section and there has never been anything like the FF lower made available for such a project. IMO the reaction to such a move would be vastly different to previous efforts and I remain convinced it could work well and be far more popular than even guys like you involved in previous attempt think it would.

I don’t disagree re walk ups or popularity. 2k standing is not over ambitious, 2k standing and singing I felt was, personally opinion. It’s a real shame it didn’t happen in “our time” as we had a great structure in place and people involved and I’ve every confidence we’d have rocketed overnight in terms of interest and participation. However, LD was very clear with us during several face to face meetings between 2017-2020 that this wouldn’t happen and it wasn’t on the clubs radar. A change in guard has removed that blocker and I hope it happens.

[RIP]

Why not? ........ I just don't get this ultra negativity based on an apples v oranges take on the history of attempts to create a standing section since the stadium has become all seated.

To date every single attempt at it has been against a background of the club practically being dragged kicking and screaming to agree to it and every version has been the same, a small section of a much bigger stand and every time out of the way .. either at the arse end of the 6000 plus capacity east or up in the gods in a corner of the FF.

None of these 'options' holds a candle to the prospect of a 2000 capacity FF lower with rail seats.

If the club were fully behind this and made an effort to push occupation of it I'm absolutely convinced we could get up to 1,500 fans or more using it at most league games.

You have been a passionate and articulate advocate of this FF Safe Standing area for several years. I’ve stated in the past that if you were to pony up alongside other activist supporters to meet with club management, your enthusiasm would carry a lot of sway. But merely posting repeatedly on here will achieve little for all of your efforts.

Another flaw is your lack of knowledge of prior dialogue between management and supporters on this topic. I’m unclear whether the Gantry area at the South End of the Old East was ever the subject of discussion but I can absolutely reassure you that the discussions that I held with Fife Hyland to establish Section43 as the original standing and singing area were carried out with analysis, formal meetings and minutes. Later on, Hibs12thMan, Sect43, Since1875, and BlockSeven have all met with officials to agree measures to improve the matchday atmosphere.

Back in 2008-2010 we started with a hard core of 400 who would regularly stand and sing, with up to 500 more in sections 41-45 joining in. At big games we had the whole stadium rocking. The football product was mediocre but the singing was the loudest we’d had since the McLeish and Mowbray days.

I’m not saying that a Famous Five Standing Area wouldn’t work. But we do have to factor in the truth that most of our most passionate fans have in the last 40 odd years preferred a side on view of the match when buying a home season ticket. As one member of a family of such supporters I wouldn’t be keen to swap my great view in the East for a position where I’d struggle to tell what was happening in the far penalty area. I don’t believe I’m alone in that assessment.

Put yourself in Garry O’Hagan’s position. GH was stadium manager ten years ago when we were discussing flag cabinets in the East. You need to have a strong business case to convince him and Ben Kensall to allocate a whole 2,000 places in the Famous Five. The argument has to be a lot more robust than ‘Build it and they will come’.

[vuefrom1875]

Yeah. Much a do about nothing

Ado!

[Mick O'Rourke]

Why not? ........ I just don't get this ultra negativity based on an apples v oranges take on the history of attempts to create a standing section since the stadium has become all seated. To date every single attempt at it has been against a background of the club practically being dragged kicking and screaming to agree to it and every version has been the same, a small section of a much bigger stand and every time out of the way .. either at the arse end of the 6000 plus capacity east or up in the gods in a corner of the FF.

None of these 'options' holds a candle to the prospect of a 2000 capacity FF lower with rail seats, which rather than being yet another square peg in a round hole which has been the approach up until now, would be a self contained area set aside for the sole purpose of bringing together our most vocal and boisterous supporters .... it would be their part of the stadium, not an inconvenient part of a larger area or out of the way, but an easily identifiable, and controllable, part of the stadium which would be front and centre in the stadiums atmosphere and which they could readily identify with.

If the club were fully behind this and made an effort to push occupation of it I'm absolutely convinced we could get up to 1,500 fans or more using it at most league games. I point you to the blizzard of posts doubting we would get anywhere near selling 10,000 STs for next season on the back of last years poor effort and yet the fans of this club have put that theory to bed way before the season has even started ... I simply do not believe that if given the chance many of our supporters would not jump at the chance to create and be part of a proper kop style standing area.


FF lower would be a winner. 21st Century version of the old Cave:greengrin
I think young and old will queue up to get in there.. STs and walk ups.
"Back o the goals" has historically been where supporters choir/singers congregate in football grounds.

I know about the concerns/debate here .But that area is and has been underused for years.
Needs to change .

[Garymcl]

Just persuaded the other half to purchase extra 2 season tickets for our group in the family it will be first season ticket for both my grandaughters aged 7 and 10 as a proud grandad will be quite an emotional moment breaking the news to them later today canny wait to get to first game at the Leith San Siro with both of them remember the 5pm deadline today let’s snap up these season tickets and back the new manager :flag:

[04Sauzee]

Just persuaded the other half to purchase extra 2 season tickets for our group in the family it will be first season ticket for both my grandaughters aged 7 and 10 as a proud grandad will be quite an emotional moment breaking the news to them later today canny wait to get to first game at the Leith San Siro with both of them remember the 5pm deadline today let’s snap up these season tickets and back the new manager :flag:

Fantastic 👍

[Logie]

Genuinely excited for this season, numbers of season tickets sold is higher than I personally expected after a rotten season. Managed to convince the mrs it’s time to take my 3 year old daughter this year so moving from east to FF lower! Mon the Hibs!!!

[Scotty Leither]

Just persuaded the other half to purchase extra 2 season tickets for our group in the family it will be first season ticket for both my grandaughters aged 7 and 10 as a proud grandad will be quite an emotional moment breaking the news to them later today canny wait to get to first game at the Leith San Siro with both of them remember the 5pm deadline today let’s snap up these season tickets and back the new manager :flag:

Well done you, pal. I still carry my late father’s season card in my wallet…enjoy your moment telling your grandkids you’ve bought them their first season ticket too.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Ado!

Sorry, I'm a cultural desert

[Keith_M]

Genuinely excited for this season, numbers of season tickets sold is higher than I personally expected after a rotten season. Managed to convince the mrs it’s time to take my 3 year old daughter this year so moving from east to FF lower! Mon the Hibs!!!


The Safe Standing area?


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[Logie]

That would do 🤣

[e2los]

Would be so nice if we could buy a Saturday 3pm season ticket.

Currently I think it works out at about £62 a game (gets more expensive if you factor in holidays).

Other than random work related coincidences enabling the odd attendance, it's not a great value purchase.

Far too many home games seem to be mid week at 19:45 (for example), and I'm too old to get home later than 8pm midweek.

This is nothing to do with hibs; scheduling is broken for people that are working and too old to get home at stupid o'clock.

Just saying.

[Antifa Hibs]

As someone who was heavily involved in Section 43 and then Since 1875 it was extremely challenging to get 100 people involved in that sort of culture, never mind 2k. Safe standing in FFL definitely would have helped, but the facts are 20% of our ST holders do not want to stand and sing for the majority of the match. That’s not a criticism, it’s their choice. Old Firm have the same problem. Yes their numbers are greater, but percentage wise it’s similar. There’s a different mentality in the UK compared to most other European leagues.

You don't need 2000 people involved in that "culture". You goto any end in any european game and the ultras consist of a few hundred in the middle, the rest of the curva is generally made up of "normal" fans who want to stand, sing and don't mind the flags and pyro etc.

Regarding the old firm thats nonsense, Celtic have sold out their original standing section and are creating a new one for next season for the "BHOYS" to occupy so bang goes that argument. Rangers Broamloan lower stands pretty much every game (circa 4k). Aberdeen have created a standing section in the Merkland "The Red Shed" which was two thirds full this season (with them being pish, boring *******s and less fans than us). Then your "UK mentality" argument, watch any game on match of the day and most premier league grounds will have fans standing behind the goal, even City these days ffs.

Previous singing sections never worked cos they were a complete afterthought and often the worse parts of the ground. Its also ridiculous to say "only 200 stand now", that is the case but since the 2016/2017 successes new comers started moving in and insist on sitting, which will have a knock-on affect.

[Since90+2]

A standing singing section of 500 in FF lower would look and sound amazing. I don't think it's that crazy a suggestion that you could get those sort of numbers if the area was properly backed by the club.

[RIP]

I’m seeing repeated posts falsely suggesting that the site of the singing section at Easter Road has always been an afterthought.

Utter Nonsense!!

They have always been and will continue to be the result of formal discussions between activist supporters and stadium management. There is next to no point in post after post (regardless of how eloquent) claiming that 500/1,000/2,000 supporters will step forward and fill a Singing Section in the Famous Five Lower until a significant number of people actually commit to moving their season ticket.

Only then will club management be convinced of the demand.

[Bushwoof]

I'm not sure why it has to be ST holders though. Back in the days before numbered seats a substantial number of fans were walk ups, as you didn't need a ST to ensure your regular spot. I'd expect a large number of walk-ups to choose the standing area as their area of preference. Until there's one in place it's impossible to gauge its popularity. The club needs to have a bit of faith with this - other clubs experiences suggest it should work.

[Mrimbetween]

10.5k Season sales is fantastic news,especially after last season. Gid start and looking at great numbers at ER,sound

[sadtom]

Are we getting new ST cards this season?
If so, does anyone know when?

[Fuzzywuzzy]

New cards sent out next month

[JimBHibees]

Hopefully a couple of key signings can push the numbers up to where we would like them to be. Good to see the fans getting behind the club.

[Garymcl]

Supporters getting behind the club in purchasing season tickets wouldn’t expect anything else to be honest we’ve got an incredibly loyal support especially over the last few years I personally cannot wait for the new season fresh start with new management let’s snap up these season tickets and get behind the new manager and get Easter Road rocking :flag:

[04Sauzee]

On a other note do we know when the Clyde tickets are likely to go on sale?

[Garymcl]

Must have been reading my mind 04 sauzee was going to ask the same question a hibby neighbour asked me this yesterday as he wants to take his two kids to game details must be soon as game is only a couple of weeks away

[Ringothedog]

It would be good to know for all the group games home and away and in particular the pricing.

[McD]

It would be good to know for all the group games home and away and in particular the pricing.


yep, looking forward to it but the prices are needed so people can get organised

[Dashing Bob S]

10.5k Season sales is fantastic news,especially after last season. Gid start and looking at great numbers at ER,sound

More than decent considering. Some positive transfer market news will push it north.

[Montford]

Has to be the whole lower 2000 safe standing .
Would quickly fill up
Even only a 1/3rd full would bring more atmosphere than the rest of the stadium

[Stuart93]

See hearts have sold 14k ST’s so far.

Mental what a good season and guaranteed European football until Christmas can do.

Makes it even more annoying that we ****ed it

[blackpoolhibs]

See hearts have sold 14k ST’s so far.

Mental what a good season and guaranteed European football until Christmas can do.

Makes it even more annoying that we ****ed it

Did we, i havent seen anyone mention it before?

[Stuart93]

Did we, i havent seen anyone mention it before?

Did you not? You best get they eyes checked then

That way you’d have either seen it on here or seen it for yourself

[DIXIHIBS]

I'm not sure why it has to be ST holders though. Back in the days before numbered seats a substantial number of fans were walk ups, as you didn't need a ST to ensure your regular spot. I'd expect a large number of walk-ups to choose the standing area as their area of preference. Until there's one in place it's impossible to gauge its popularity. The club needs to have a bit of faith with this - other clubs experiences suggest it should work.
You're right. Had a season ticket for the east before it was seated and we stood at the same place every game and everyone did the same. Would love to go back to terracing again but sadly it wont happen.

[green day]

Has to be the whole lower 2000 safe standing .
Would quickly fill up
Even only a 1/3rd full would bring more atmosphere than the rest of the stadium

Just to manage your expectations.

It won't happen this summer. There is too much work already on the go elsewhere in the stadium.

[Mrimbetween]

Europe has helped big time they will be 15k soon

3rd has to be the aim as so much on offer now

[Keith_M]

Just to manage your expectations.

It won't happen this summer. There is too much work already on the go elsewhere in the stadium.


I had a chat with one of the Ticket Office staff a few months ago and their view was that the FF Lower was considered to be a 'safe space' for young kids and their families, hence the reason they don't (or at least didn't) want to have a mixture of young families and... how to put this... the more 'exuberant' among our support.

When we go to Hampden, there's no longer any separate Family Section, as there was years ago, and a lot of parents have complained about what their kids experienced while trying to watch the game, or even being unable to watch the game because everybody around them was standing. On my last two visits, I've actually seen kids in tears because of the behaviour of some fellow fans.

I realise those fans that have already made up their mind on this will ignore all that and expect the kids to 'just grow a pair', or whatever, but I can see why this was the club's point of view on this issue, up to now at least.


I hasten to add that this doesn't affect me in any way, but it's worth looking at it from all angles.

[GRA]

See hearts have sold 14k ST’s so far.

Mental what a good season and guaranteed European football until Christmas can do.

Makes it even more annoying that we ****ed it

Who gives a s#it what they have sold. Also time to get over the abomination that was last season and focus on what LJ can do for us going forward.

[Allant1981]

Had someone from the club call today to ask if im going to renew, will be doing it after i go on holiday but thought its quite good they are reaching out to people

[Stuart93]

Who gives a s#it what they have sold. Also time to get over the abomination that was last season and focus on what LJ can do for us going forward.

Only reason I’m fussed about them is cause we’ll hopefully be their rivals for 3rd place. The more money the bring in the worse it is as they seem to be using it a bit better these days.

Agreed. Doesn’t make it any less annoying though as it’s having an impact on our ST sales for this season

[Stairway 2 7]

Should have family section in either the very right in the west if facing it, left of the east. Usually empty. Its getting embarrassing how empty the north lower is, especially as it features in most highlights.

[RyeSloan]

Should have family section in either the very right in the west if facing it, left of the east. Usually empty. Its getting embarrassing how empty the north lower is, especially as it features in most highlights.

Can be empty as it wants if the highlights are us tucking another team away.

Fact is we have plenty of spare seats in the home section v our season ticket numbers and that part of the ground has poor sight lines so it’s pretty inevitable that it will be the sparest populated.

Still I’m 100% sure Ron n co will not be so stubborn as Leanne as what to do about that and once they have managed to get the rest of the stadium back up to scratch (no small ask after it was left to rot) then I’m confident they will be open to ideas.

[Brooster]

Only reason I’m fussed about them is cause we’ll hopefully be their rivals for 3rd place. The more money the bring in the worse it is as they seem to be using it a bit better these days.

Agreed. Doesn’t make it any less annoying though as it’s having an impact on our ST sales for this season

You need to stop obsessing about them.

[hibee-boys]

Never thought we’d make 5 figures so pleasantly surprised to hear the report of around 10,500, hopefully get up to 11,000 by the time the league season starts.

[Stuart93]

You need to stop obsessing about them.

Hmm think obsessing is a bit strong. Do I care about what they do? Yep because that’s usually how rivalries work especially when they’ve finished this season in a position we hope to finish in next season.

If that means I’m obsessing about them then I hope hibs are doing the same thing. Can’t be a bad thing obsessing about 14k ST’s, group stage European football and beating our rivals in cup competitions surely?

[Brooster]

Hmm think obsessing is a bit strong. Do I care about what they do? Yep because that’s usually how rivalries work especially when they’ve finished this season in a position we hope to finish in next season.

If that means I’m obsessing about them then I hope hibs are doing the same thing. Can’t be a bad thing obsessing about 14k ST’s, group stage European football and beating our rivals in cup competitions surely?

Thanks for that, you've confirmed what I was thinking.

[Stuart93]

Thanks for that, you've confirmed what I was thinking.

Fantastic, you’re very welcome

[hibsitis]

Thanks for that, you've confirmed what I was thinking.
Don't think he gets his faux pas, Brooster!

[Lago]

I had a chat with one of the Ticket Office staff a few months ago and their view was that the FF Lower was considered to be a 'safe space' for young kids and their families, hence the reason they don't (or at least didn't) want to have a mixture of young families and... how to put this... the more 'exuberant' among our support.

When we go to Hampden, there's no longer any separate Family Section, as there was years ago, and a lot of parents have complained about what their kids experienced while trying to watch the game, or even being unable to watch the game because everybody around them was standing. On my last two visits, I've actually seen kids in tears because of the behaviour of some fellow fans.

I realise those fans that have already made up their mind on this will ignore all that and expect the kids to 'just grow a pair', or whatever, but I can see why this was the club's point of view on this issue, up to now at least.


I hasten to add that this doesn't affect me in any way, but it's worth looking at it from all angles.
I agree totally about the kids behind affected by adults mixing with them, but the fact remains the lower FF is routinely empty throughout the season and it's an awful look.

[Stairway 2 7]

Can be empty as it wants if the highlights are us tucking another team away.

Fact is we have plenty of spare seats in the home section v our season ticket numbers and that part of the ground has poor sight lines so it’s pretty inevitable that it will be the sparest populated.

Still I’m 100% sure Ron n co will not be so stubborn as Leanne as what to do about that and once they have managed to get the rest of the stadium back up to scratch (no small ask after it was left to rot) then I’m confident they will be open to ideas.

We have empty numbers comparing to tickets in all parts yes, but nothing close to the % of the ffl. It should be the part of the stadium pushing us on at corners ect.

[Brooster]

Don't think he gets his faux pas, Brooster!

He's one of many on the board at the moment mate.

[Stuart93]

He's one of many on the board at the moment mate.

Stay classy guys 👍🏼

I gave an explanation into why I was bothered about happenings over the other side of the city.

That’s obsessing about them in your opinion which is fair enough and I accept that despite not agreeing. But continuing to have a pop at me with another poster is a tad tasteless.

[Hibbyradge]

Hmm think obsessing is a bit strong. Do I care about what they do? Yep because that’s usually how rivalries work especially when they’ve finished this season in a position we hope to finish in next season.

If that means I’m obsessing about them then I hope hibs are doing the same thing. Can’t be a bad thing obsessing about 14k ST’s, group stage European football and beating our rivals in cup competitions surely?

Oopsy.

[green day]

On the FF lower, as I said before - rail seats cant go in this close season, there is far too much going on elsewhere, never mind the logistics of moving people who have STs.

If the club just said **** it, stick the singing section in the middle, the sightlines of those in in the side areas as you look at it are really badly impacted...........this is why the lesser greens have their area in the corner - so nobody sitting in a "normal" seat loses sight of the action.

So if / when it happens - initially anyway - it will be to one side of the stand not the middle.

[jingler1954]

Are we getting new ST cards this season?
If so, does anyone know when?
Mid July according to the ticket office today.

[oneone73]

Mid July according to the ticket office today.

So after the first game of the season?

[Blaster]

So after the first game of the season?

First season ticket game is 6 August

[oneone73]

First season ticket game is 6 August

True!

[Brooster]

Stay classy guys 👍🏼

I gave an explanation into why I was bothered about happenings over the other side of the city.

That’s obsessing about them in your opinion which is fair enough and I accept that despite not agreeing. But continuing to have a pop at me with another poster is a tad tasteless.

And being a yam troll on here is a tad tasteless too, you've revealed your hand. Goodbye.

[Stuart93]

And being a yam troll on here is a tad tasteless too, you've revealed your hand. Goodbye.

Yep, you’ve nailed it, I’m a yam troll.

Well done sir.

Daren’t have a differing opinion from you or you’re a yam troll.

[hibsitis]

Hmm think obsessing is a bit strong. Do I care about what they do? Yep because that’s usually how rivalries work especially when they’ve finished this season in a position we hope to finish in next season.

If that means I’m obsessing about them then I hope hibs are doing the same thing. Can’t be a bad thing obsessing about 14k ST’s, group stage European football and beating our rivals in cup competitions surely?

Just a quick clarification on who 'our rivals' are would probably clear everything up.

[Stairway 2 7]

Just a quick clarification on who 'our rivals' are would probably clear everything up.

He hopes hibs are obsessing about them doung well to emulate, is how I read it

[danhibees1875]

He hopes hibs are obsessing about them doung well to emulate, is how I read it

I'm confused as to how it could be read any other way?

From context it appears it can be read as he's a hearts fan - but I don't see how. :confused:

[matty_f]

I'm confused as to how it could be read any other way?

From context it appears it can be read as he's a hearts fan - but I don't see how. :confused:

:agree: that's exactly what he's saying.


FWIW, I agree with Stuart - look at the "what would be a successful season" thread and you'll see that beating Hearts features a lot, I asked the same question on Twitter and got similar responses.

We want to best them but give them a massive financial advantage (by that, I mean the team's under-performance last season meaning we missed or in Europe money that they'll hugely benefit from, and the support by being miles off the backing that Hearts fans give their team).

We want to beat them and we moan a lot about how they want it more, maybe it's the case that they do want it now and they put their money where their mouth is when push comes to shove?

[Scotty Leither]

:agree: that's exactly what he's saying.


FWIW, I agree with Stuart - look at the "what would be a successful season" thread and you'll see that beating Hearts features a lot, I asked the same question on Twitter and got similar responses.

We want to best them but give them a massive financial advantage (by that, I mean the team's under-performance last season meaning we missed or in Europe money that they'll hugely benefit from, and the support by being miles off the backing that Hearts fans give their team).

We want to beat them and we moan a lot about how they want it more, maybe it's the case that they do want it now and they put their money where their mouth is when push comes to shove?

It’s not the Hibs fans’ fault there’s a perceived air of indifference upstairs at the club to winning this particular fixture, Matty.

You were at the same working together meeting as me when Forsyth got the hump when we were questioning the decision to sack the stadium announcer for playing the song “tax man” in a gentle jibe at our chums across the road.

“We want nothing to do with Hearts” was Forsyth’s huffy riposte when asked about it.

[JimBHibees]

:agree: that's exactly what he's saying.


FWIW, I agree with Stuart - look at the "what would be a successful season" thread and you'll see that beating Hearts features a lot, I asked the same question on Twitter and got similar responses.

We want to best them but give them a massive financial advantage (by that, I mean the team's under-performance last season meaning we missed or in Europe money that they'll hugely benefit from, and the support by being miles off the backing that Hearts fans give their team).

We want to beat them and we moan a lot about how they want it more, maybe it's the case that they do want it now and they put their money where their mouth is when push comes to shove?

If we aren't aware of what Hearts are doing we bloody well should be.

[matty_f]

It’s not the Hibs fans’ fault there’s a perceived air of indifference upstairs at the club to winning this particular fixture, Matty.

You were at the same working together meeting as me when Forsyth got the hump when we were questioning the decision to sack the stadium announcer for playing the song “tax man” in a gentle jibe at our chums across the road.

“We want nothing to do with Hearts” was Forsyth’s huffy riposte when asked about it.

How many years ago was that, Scotty? It's completely irrelevant.

[matty_f]

If we aren't aware of what Hearts are doing we bloody well should be.

Yep. I want us to beat them every time we play them, go further than then in the cups and finish higher in the league than then every season.

That gets more and more challenging each season they plough millions more into their coffers than we do ours. At the very least we could get off the backs of the board for trying to generate as much of that cash from commercial activities as they possibly can.

[Scotty Leither]

How many years ago was that, Scotty? It's completely irrelevant.

A few, and it’s not “irrelevant” when discussing the Derby fixture and their perceived greater desire to win it which pervades their club.

They define themselves by winning this game; I wish we were the same.

[green day]

It’s not the Hibs fans’ fault there’s a perceived air of indifference upstairs at the club to winning this particular fixture, Matty.

You were at the same working together meeting as me when Forsyth got the hump when we were questioning the decision to sack the stadium announcer for playing the song “tax man” in a gentle jibe at our chums across the road.

“We want nothing to do with Hearts” was Forsyth’s huffy riposte when asked about it.

Come on, we cant on one hand moan that we have lost loads of people from the club and on the other attribute new faces with (somehow) having inherited the same attitudes toward the derby...............:rolleyes:

[matty_f]

A few, and it’s not “irrelevant” when discussing the Derby fixture and their perceived greater desire to win it which pervades their club.

They define themselves by winning this game; I wish we were the same.
It was more than a few, that was almost a decade ago (in the aftermath of that cup final in 2012) so it's entirely irrelevant.

We've changed owner, the strategic goals shared at the AGM included being the top club in Edinburgh iirc. By definition we measure ourselves against them now.

[green day]

A few, and it’s not “irrelevant” when discussing the Derby fixture and their perceived greater desire to win it which pervades their club.

They define themselves by winning this game; I wish we were the same.


Hearts just lost a Scottish Cup final with no shots on target
Hearts are into their second decade without any trophy
Hearts are into their 6th decade without winning the League Cup
If Scotland host major international football tournaments, Hearts cant host matches on account of their toytown pitch.
Hearts have a new stand where the media get soaked every time it rains


On the plus side


They have an excellent fan initiative (borne out of necessity) which gives them a financial edge, plus the Anderson cash - I wonder just how much they have spent to win nothing?
They will also get a whole load of Euros money merely by the luck of the draw in the year they got third.
They will have more ST sales than us off the back of their "most successful season for a decade" in which they still won nothing.


There are aspects of hearts business that is excellent - but there are many many areas where we trump them and will continue to do so.

Wish we were the same? Get a grip

[Mcbizz1998]

He hopes hibs are obsessing about them doung well to emulate, is how I read it

Yeah, same. Not sure what the problem is here?

[K-Zazu]

Hearts just lost a Scottish Cup final with no shots on target
Hearts are into their second decade without any trophy
Hearts are into their 60th decade without winning the League Cup
If Scotland host major international football tournaments, Hearts cant host matches on account of their toytown pitch.
Hearts have a new stand where the media get soaked every time it rains


On the plus side


They have an excellent fan initiative (borne out of necessity) which gives them a financial edge, plus the Anderson cash - I wonder just how much they have spent to win nothing?
They will also get a whole load of Euros money merely by the luck of the draw in the year they got third.
They will have more ST sales than us off the back of their "most successful season for a decade" in which they still won nothing.


There are aspects of hearts business that is excellent - but there are many many areas where we trump them and will continue to do so.

Wish we were the same? Get a grip

Well said old boy!

[scoopyboy]

Hearts just lost a Scottish Cup final with no shots on target
Hearts are into their second decade without any trophy
Hearts are into their 60th decade without winning the League Cup
If Scotland host major international football tournaments, Hearts cant host matches on account of their toytown pitch.
Hearts have a new stand where the media get soaked every time it rains


On the plus side


They have an excellent fan initiative (borne out of necessity) which gives them a financial edge, plus the Anderson cash - I wonder just how much they have spent to win nothing?
They will also get a whole load of Euros money merely by the luck of the draw in the year they got third.
They will have more ST sales than us off the back of their "most successful season for a decade" in which they still won nothing.


There are aspects of hearts business that is excellent - but there are many many areas where we trump them and will continue to do so.

Wish we were the same? Get a grip

Not sure about that one mate:greengrin

[green day]

Not sure about that one mate:greengrin

Thanks :thumbsup:

Got overexcited, corrected now (tbf it could be their 7th decade, there are almost no Hearts fans alive who witnessed it, thats for sure !!)

[MelbourneHibees]

Let's not detract from the fact that over 10k Hibs STs sold at this stage (Still over a month before Season starts) is brilliant considering where we were at the end of last season (both on and off pitch).
I can see us at 11.5k come 6th August once we sign 1 or 2 fan pleasers.

[King Cosell]

Let's not detract from the fact that over 10k Hibs STs sold at this stage (Still over a month before Season starts) is brilliant considering where we were at the end of last season (both on and off pitch).
I can see us at 11.5k come 6th August once we sign 1 or 2 fan pleasers.

And if we're up there challenging and the football's entertaining, we could sell another 1,500 half STs at new year.

[matty_f]

Let's not detract from the fact that over 10k Hibs STs sold at this stage (Still over a month before Season starts) is brilliant considering where we were at the end of last season (both on and off pitch).
I can see us at 11.5k come 6th August once we sign 1 or 2 fan pleasers.

There's no denying it's a great effort from those who have committed.

[JimBHibees]

Yep. I want us to beat them every time we play them, go further than then in the cups and finish higher in the league than then every season.

That gets more and more challenging each season they plough millions more into their coffers than we do ours. At the very least we could get off the backs of the board for trying to generate as much of that cash from commercial activities as they possibly can.

Agree entirely

[Since90+2]

And if we're up there challenging and the football's entertaining, we could sell another 1,500 half STs at new year.

I'd be amazed if we sold that many half season tickets. Don't think we normally sell more than a few hundred.

[Mrimbetween]

Certainly nearing 11k which isny to shabby considering last season

[Rob]

I'd be amazed if we sold that many half season tickets. Don't think we normally sell more than a few hundred.
I agree, but given there is clearly a drop off compared to last season, then maybe a lot more who chose not to renew this season will return to the fold if the season is going well. Maybe not 1500, but possibly a lot more than normal.

[Onion]

Certainly nearing 11k which isny to shabby considering last season

It's an astonishing effort after last season. Ron Gordon, his management team and many of the players should be incredibly grateful.

[hibee]

The launch of the new interest free payment plan with the first payment in August might give the sales a bit of a boost.

[HibbyAndy]

When we expecting the new ST cards to be sent oot ? And am i right in saying we get into the Norwich game for nowt ?

[CL0762]

When we expecting the new ST cards to be sent oot ? And am i right in saying we get into the Norwich game for nowt ?

Norwich game you have to go online and book a ticket I believe.

Cards should arrive before the Hearts game.

[Hermit Crab]

When we expecting the new ST cards to be sent oot ? And am i right in saying we get into the Norwich game for nowt ?


New ST cards will arrive before the first game of the season but they're slightly delayed.

You only get a free Norwich ticket if you renewed before the early bird deadline, if you didn't then its £10. These tickets are print at home or mobile tickets, there may be a paper ticket option but I cant remember.

[Vexhim Hibee]

New ST cards will arrive before the first game of the season but they're slightly delayed.

You only get a free Norwich ticket if you renewed before the early bird deadline, if you didn't then its £10. These tickets are print at home or mobile tickets, there may be a paper ticket option but I cant remember.
I went to the ticket office on Wednesday bought my Morton ticket and picked up my free Norwich ticket both old style paper tickets.

[HibbyAndy]

Norwich game you have to go online and book a ticket I believe.

Cards should arrive before the Hearts game.


New ST cards will arrive before the first game of the season but they're slightly delayed.

You only get a free Norwich ticket if you renewed before the early bird deadline, if you didn't then its £10. These tickets are print at home or mobile tickets, there may be a paper ticket option but I cant remember.

Thanks guys :aok:

[hibsfan7]

I was over on thursday picking my ticket for the norwich game and as i left a guy was delivering boxes of seson cards

[HibbyAndy]

I take it its only the west and East open for the Norwich game ?

[Steven79]

I take it its only the west and East open for the Norwich game ?As things stand they should only open the West for it...

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[HibbyAndy]

As things stand they should only open the West for it...

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Only ask as i couldnt get my 2 seats in the ff upper

[whiskyhibby]

Are season tickets also going to be available as electronic versions for Apple wallet does anyone know

[Allant1981]

Are season tickets also going to be available as electronic versions for Apple wallet does anyone know

Havent seen anything yet but would imagine they are, i used my google pay wallet last season

[Iain G]

400,000 down on last year it seems 🤣