What are your expectations season to season? [Archive]

Sir David Gray

13-05-2022, 08:45 AM

Pretty Boy

13-05-2022, 08:46 AM

Top 6 is really the bare minimum a Hibs manager should be expected to achieve. Finishing outside that is a failure almost regardless of any mitigation put forward. Being in the mix for 3rd shouldn't be unrealistic but given the financial advantages Hearts have that looks an increasingly tough task.

I suppose I'd say I expect us to be there or thereabouts in the battle for Europe every season. Cups are harder to really set expectations for. We have been a bit spoiled with regards trips to Hampden in recent times, albeit converting semi finals and finals into actual silverware has still been largely problematic. The cups do come down to luck of the draw to an extent though. If you draw Celtic away in the League Cup and Rangers away in the Scottish in the earlier rounds then it's harder to achieve a target of a semi final than if you draw Annan and Cowdenbeath at home. A league season is arguably far more reflective of how a season has panned out and I'd be more willing to accept mitigation for poor cup performance. When all is said and done the league table usually doesn't lie, a cup run or lack thereof might.

I also want to feel reasonably entertained. Not necessarily silky peak Barcelonaesque football but a team that connects with the fans. That can be achieved in a whole host of ways.

Bobby's Cinema

13-05-2022, 08:46 AM

Qualifying for europe and getting to hampden.

easty

13-05-2022, 08:47 AM

Challenging for 3rd.

Brightside

13-05-2022, 08:51 AM

Top 4.

SlickShoes

13-05-2022, 08:52 AM

Hope for the best.

Putting a number on it is setting yourself up for disappointment. In my lifetime, we have been relegated twice and spent 4 years in the championship. While we have been in the top league we have finished 3rd 4 times in my 39 years on earth.

I want hibs to do as well as possible every season, week, game, but my expectations are pretty low based on how we have performed over the last 39 years.

bingo70

13-05-2022, 08:53 AM

My expectation is top 6, my hope is top 4.

I can understand that sometimes we might not meet our expectations in a season, it happens sometimes.

Smartie

13-05-2022, 08:59 AM

We need to end up at least level pegging in the derbies too.

Fair to say, this one has disappointed me a great deal over the years and certainly this year.

Top 4 is always an aim, top 6 can be accepted with mitigation, bottom 6 is always unacceptable.

To win the cup ties we'd expect to win and to do ourselves justice in those that we might not.

For the football to be enjoyable. That is an intangible and I can actually appreciate the aesthetics of a tight defence or a young team that is a work in progress rather than it being gung ho attacking. FWIW careless, indisciplined and needless attacking can annoy me as much as unnecessarily negative. There's a time to be positive and a time to be streetwise.

Paulie Walnuts

13-05-2022, 09:01 AM

Top 5 and playing attractive football.

WeeRussell

13-05-2022, 09:11 AM

1st should see statues put up of the players and management team, 2nd is an unbelievable season, 3rd is a very good season, 4th is a good season, 5th is an average season and 6th is a poor season.

Anything below 6th is totally unacceptable.

Probably about right. I’d add that I don’t really look ahead or back on derbies throughout a season to assess the league campaign overall - I know many disagree.

Derby results and form come and go - and they are brilliant or hurt on the day/week. But in terms of finishing positions for a particular campaign, they are worth the same number of points.

GreenCastle

13-05-2022, 09:23 AM

Can't see anyone else coming 1st or 2nd ever again - not defeatist but just reality with the other 2 resources.

3rd should be target every season.

Bottom 6 is a sackable offence.

The cups all depends on draw but obviously silverware in cups is all we can hope for if we really want to have something to show in the trophy cabinet.

Being consistent in the league would show progress though not just a few lucky cup draws and Hampden visits.

Derby culture needs to change too - we 100% need to improve this.

H18S NX

13-05-2022, 09:23 AM

What i want is top 4,what i expect is 6th 7th 8th,given the players we have on long contracts.

Steve20

13-05-2022, 09:25 AM

I realise we won't win a cup every year, but this just "getting to Hampden" as some sort of achievement needs to stop, if we lose the majority of the time. It's an underachieving mentality.

Challenge for Europe through the league and win a cup should be the aim.

Gordy M

13-05-2022, 09:27 AM

Tbh there is not much point in saying what you want/expect as its a fluid situation, and the expectation moves as the season goes on. Look at Ross last season, Hampden 3 times and 3rd place, so everyone was happy and thought it was a good season.......nope, calls for him to go etc. Its just the way it goes, the better you are, the more is expected.

Bostonhibby

13-05-2022, 09:28 AM

Purgatory, eternal damnation, getting beat at home by Ross County, Livingston, Kilmarnock etc, more big tellies and variations on the sausage roll/fried food/heated up pastry front, maybe big foam hands?

On the football front a solid 7th to reflect a world beating rise in commercial revenue and off field activity, hopefully our board of directors will continue to grow, bring it on.

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Key West

13-05-2022, 09:28 AM

Top 5 and playing attractive football.

That's where I would be given that Aberdeen and Hearts most of the time would have an influence on matters.

wookie70

13-05-2022, 09:33 AM

Wilson

13-05-2022, 09:34 AM

In with a realistic shout of finishing third until late in the season. Finishing top 5 most seasons. Regarding bottom six as a complete failure.

Key West

13-05-2022, 09:36 AM

Top 5 and to get as far in the cup as the draw allows ie if we draw a team below the Uglies, Hearts and Dons I expect to progress almost always at home and most times away from home. I have set myself up for disappointment if my Hibs supporting history is anything to go by

Unfortunately the draw in the cup and avoiding Celtic and The Rangers isn't the only obstruction!
We've managed to lose finals to wee teams like Livingston, Ross County, St Johnstone and Hearts.

jacomo

13-05-2022, 10:02 AM

Next time we finish top 4 I will bet my mortgage on us finishing bottom six the following season.

It is, apparently, the Hibs way.

wookie70

13-05-2022, 10:16 AM

Unfortunately the draw in the cup and avoiding Celtic and The Rangers isn't the only obstruction!
We've managed to lose finals to wee teams like Livingston, Ross County, St Johnstone and Hearts.
The games v Livingston, Ross C and St Johnstone I would view as failure. I'd expect to beat Hearts as much as they beat us. I didn't say Celtic and The Rangers were the only obstructions. My view is we should finish above teams with less resources than us and get through in the cup almost always against teams with less resources at ER and most times away from home. Hearts and the Dons have similar resources to us so I would expect win one lose one and any result against the Uglies is a bonus. Our cup form this year is actually above par despite the obvious disappointment. Our league form is terrible and really not acceptable. Hopefully a blip for this year but I can't say the recruitment team fill me with confidence

danhibees1875

13-05-2022, 10:30 AM

Next time we finish top 4 I will bet my mortgage on us finishing bottom six the following season.

It is, apparently, the Hibs way.

We've finished top 4 a whole 7 times in my lifetime.

They were followed by finishing: 5th, 10th, 4th, 6th, 10th, 5th, and whatever we get this season.

So 3 times out of 7 we end up below the top 6.

Paloschi

13-05-2022, 10:37 AM

I think we as a club struggle for consistency. Even managers that do well follow up with a poor season and get sacked or leave us in a worsening position or a downward spiral. It’s like the club don’t know how to sustain success. We sell our best players and don’t replace them with the same quality.

It’s happened for as long as I remember

Big Eck - had us flying and then signed some dross and left us to join Rangers
Collins - did well initially then we sold brown, thomson, whittaker etc and we replaced them with poor players
Hughes - got us to europe then signed daryl duffy and alan gow etc which then got us on our way to the calderwood/fenlon/butcher era
Lennon - had a great team playing great football. We replaced McGinn with mallan and McGeouch with erm nobody?
Ross - had us in 3rd and cup finals then despite ‘improving the squad’ made a dreadful ers of it the following season and couldn’t get anyone apart from Boyle to perform.

Why does this happen? Either good then bad or just bad. Only under Mowbray and arguably Stubbs have we bucked the trend but that is when we got the golden generation and in the championship

SHODAN

13-05-2022, 11:04 AM

Anything below 5th: failure.

Losing record against Hearts: failure.

Failing to make the QF of either cup: failure.

And yes, I'm well aware that means we've failed most seasons. Supporting Hibs is tough.

Stuart93

13-05-2022, 11:08 AM

Top 4 and win a cup are my optimistic expectations

My realis tic expectations top 4 and not win a cup

Northernhibee

13-05-2022, 11:24 AM

I’m prepared to adjust my expectations on circumstances. This year I’d have taken sixth given the injuries we had mid season, but not happy at all with bottom six given a lot of the issues we had were self inflicted - poor recruitment, playing key players out of position, hiring Maloney, silly suspensions.

Normally, top five and at least one Hampden trip for me.

Bobo

13-05-2022, 11:44 AM

The minimum expectation should be raising and maintaining a higher and more consistent level of on-field performance, both individual and collective player contribution are way below an acceptable level.

Once we get the basics right our on-field aspirations should be:

1. Minimum of 4th place in the league
2. Regular European qualification
3. Latter stages of cup competitions, leading to better success rate in semis/finals
4. Making a massive improvement to our pathetic Derby record.

SChibs

13-05-2022, 12:08 PM

I expect us to be top 5 but our goal will be making 3rd ours. The reason I say top 5 is there's not much between Hibs, Hearts and Aberdeen so any of the 3 teams could and should be finishing 3rd-5th. We should be finishing higher than the rest every year although in football that's not how it works

ozwoody

13-05-2022, 12:11 PM

Top 6 and 1/4 finals in cups is best I can see unless there is a huge squad overhaul which, let's be honest, won't be happening.

Ringothedog

13-05-2022, 12:28 PM

Top 5 at a minimum and the latter stages of cup competitions and winning a trophy every 5 years.

hibee-boys

13-05-2022, 01:00 PM

Qualifying for Europe and a minimum of 1 Hampden visit a year, that should be the minimum requirement of a Hibs manager.

Since452

13-05-2022, 01:11 PM

What i want and what i expect are two different things.

The least i expect are top six finishes and semi finals if we avoid the old firm.

I want more than that.

DH1875

13-05-2022, 01:37 PM

3rd/4th place and cup semis/finals. Same as it should be every year. 5th I can deal with if its close run and only a few points between 3rd and 5th. Cup also means avoiding rangers and celtic in early rounds.

where'stheslope

13-05-2022, 03:52 PM

Qualifying for Europe and a minimum of 1 Hampden visit a year, that should be the minimum requirement of a Hibs manager.
I hope your talking about away days and holidays?
What we need is a manager who gets time to gel a team, and that could take 3-4 years!
The way the club is going over the last 10 years, we'll be lacky to have a manager for 18 months!!!
New manager should get allowance of 7th in first year, and progressing up the league in subsequent years!
If we get to 3-4 quicker, its a bonus, and cups will always be a lottery, so just keep trying!!!

blackpoolhibs

13-05-2022, 03:58 PM

I hope your talking about away days and holidays?
What we need is a manager who gets time to gel a team, and that could take 3-4 years!
The way the club is going over the last 10 years, we'll be lacky to have a manager for 18 months!!!
New manager should get allowance of 7th in first year, and progressing up the league in subsequent years!
If we get to 3-4 quicker, its a bonus, and cups will always be a lottery, so just keep trying!!!

Managers will never get 3 to 4 years with this support we have, any manager now has to either win something or have us playing like Brazil to get time. And thats still to be put to the test, as we could play well but lose lots.

hibee-boys

13-05-2022, 05:34 PM

I hope your talking about away days and holidays?
What we need is a manager who gets time to gel a team, and that could take 3-4 years!
The way the club is going over the last 10 years, we'll be lacky to have a manager for 18 months!!!
New manager should get allowance of 7th in first year, and progressing up the league in subsequent years!

If we get to 3-4 quicker, its a bonus, and cups will always be a lottery, so just keep trying!!!

With the current coefficient most teams that finish 5th in the league should end up in conference qualifiers. At least 1 semi final in the year? If Hibs expectations aren’t at least finishing 5th and getting to a cup semi each year our ambitions have seriously dropped. No danger will Ron put up with anything less than those returns, irrespective of at what stage of development the club or management team are.

James70

13-05-2022, 05:53 PM

Entertaining football with plenty of goals.
A top six finish every year with European football most seasons.
Two or three wins against our neighbours every season.

Tommy75

13-05-2022, 06:12 PM

We'll never reach any level of consistency if we get rid of capable managers during their first poor run of form.

All this 'top 5 and trips to Hampden' is slightly hypocritical from a few posters as during last season we still had fans moan at the 'style of football'.

Eyrie

13-05-2022, 07:09 PM

My ambition each season is third and/or a cup win.

My reasonable expectation is top five and semi final of both cups, assuming we avoid the Ugly Sisters in the earlier rounds, with the chance to go further.

Disappointment is bottom six unless we have catastrophic injuries sidelining half a dozen key starters. This season was only three (Magennis, Doidge, Nisbet), so it was a disappointment.