The financial task facing a new manager

[ozwoody]

Off the back of a few " who gets binned" posts, it got me thinking of the battle any new manager coming in may face.

I broke it down to a few things:
Cost of new wages
Back up salaries
Paying off players
Other expenses.

Bear with me as these are all speculation costs.
So a new manager comes in and says " I need 5 new players " ( I know, I know) " but they have to be better than what we have so we have to pay £3,000 a week" .

We get them in and that costs £780,000 a year.

He then says " I want 5 quality backups for squad, we need to pay £2000 per week so we have strong squad "

We get them in and that costs £520,000 per year.

We need to get rid of 5 wage earners on contract, at ,say £2,000 a week. Now they may not want to move, so that's another £520,000 we need to budget for.

That's £1.8 million we need , just for 5 players plus decent squad back ups.

This is obviously not factoring bonuses or manager wage.

Plus, I am reliably informed, that the corporate boxes are being refurbished at a cost of £2 million and corporate season tickets have been raised 48% to £1875 per season (good luck getting that)

This totals £3.8 million before next season based on these conservative, figures alone.

Can we really expect Ron Gordon to part with upwards of £4 million before August?

This goes to show that how much not opening purse strings last year has cost us dearly this, and possibly next , year

[Jones28]

Theres the change of the money from MB's sale banked, less the costs from January. So can probably say Ron needs to front £2m to fund the proposals.

[ozwoody]

Theres the change of the money from MB's sale banked, less the costs from January. So can probably say Ron needs to front £2m to fund the proposals.

I did think bout that, but as some players have been given extended contracts, probably with enhanced terms, I thought I would leave that sale out, plus with Muelers wage being significantly higher than Boyle's, plus paying transfer for for Melkerson and others in January

[Blaster]

Free up money by getting rid of Rocky, Jasper, Scott, Wright, Allan, Mcginn, McGregor, Macey . Look to loan out Campbell. That’s 9 off the books at least.

With Marshall signing, that would leave 8 outfield players needed to replace them

Also Tait and Mackay back out on loan

[Coco Bryce]

Free up money by getting rid of Rocky, Jasper, Scott, Wright, Allan, Mcginn, McGregor, Macey . Look to loan out Campbell. That’s 9 off the books at least.

With Marshall signing, that would leave 8 outfield players needed to replace them

Also Tait and Mackay back out on loan

Campbell and JDH should be punted at any cost.

[Blaster]

Campbell and JDH should be punted at any cost.

Easier said than done mate. No chance they will get as good a deal elsewhere. We still need backups as we’ll not be bringing in 12-15 players in one go.

[ozwoody]

Free up money by getting rid of Rocky, Jasper, Scott, Wright, Allan, Mcginn, McGregor, Macey . Look to loan out Campbell. That’s 9 off the books at least.

With Marshall signing, that would leave 8 outfield players needed to replace them

Also Tait and Mackay back out on loan


How many of these are under contract next season, or we have agreed to buy? Plus , even if we loaned Campbell out, we would still need paying % of his wage

[Coco Bryce]

Easier said than done mate. No chance they will get as good a deal elsewhere. We still need backups as we’ll not be bringing in 12-15 players in one go.

Campbell isn't on that good a deal. Wasn't a 1st team regular when he signed it. Only thrusted in the 1st team because of injuries.

Wont cost much to get rid of him.

[ozwoody]

Campbell isn't on that good a deal. Wasn't a 1st team regular when he signed it. Only thrusted in the 1st team because of injuries.

Wont cost much to get rid of him.

Depends on add ons: appearances, assists etc, plus he's on long term contract that would have to be negotiated for him to leave, assuming he has got a club to go to. Otherwise he could sit tight and collect a wage for next few years

[Coco Bryce]

Depends on add ons: appearances, assists etc, plus he's on long term contract that would have to be negotiated for him to leave, assuming he has got a club to go to. Otherwise he could sit tight and collect a wage for next few years

Yeah there is that. Appearance bonuses will be topping up his wage. Just as well as he'll not have many win bonuses :greengrin

[ozwoody]

Yeah there is that. Appearance bonuses will be topping up his wage. Just as well as he'll not have many win bonuses :greengrin

Will probably owe them money if that was the case 😁

[Col2]

I agree with the OP sentiment / thrust if not the figures.

This is why we WONT get a total squad transformation and WONT get a above average experienced manager eg entice Michael O’Neil from Stoke City.

Our best hope is we can secure a talented and fairly experienced manager and he gets more from this squad and adds a few diamonds and the team gel quickly. Even with some luck on injuries and results we cannot expect anything other than a transition season. But we might be back on the right path and that’s the best hope. Odds are (at best) it will take 2-3 years before we are challenging for 3rd again.

Tactically they need to get season ticket holders renewing so manager appt and 1-2 early signings crucial or they will many fans. Example would be get Porto signed up and Boyle back even on loan. I don’t see it though so it’s going to be a rough ride.

[Blaster]

How many of these are under contract next season, or we have agreed to buy? Plus , even if we loaned Campbell out, we would still need paying % of his wage

Only Macey I think. Don’t think we have an obligation to buy any of the loanees I mentioned. Campbell has a contract hence the loan out option. Still cost us some money but there’s no way we’ll be buying out lots of contracts this summer (as much as we’d all like to)

[HIBEETILLIDIE]

If the rumours about Mueller ‘s wages are true then him going would release funds for a couple of players wages at least!?

[Blaster]

If the rumours about Mueller ‘s wages are true then him going would release funds for a couple of players wages at least!?

Forgot about his wages too. Add his name to the list of outs I suggested

[easty]

If the rumours about Mueller ‘s wages are true then him going would release funds for a couple of players wages at least!?

I reckon in 10 years time I’ll still be laughing at posts on here saying “mind we were paying that American boy £10k a week?”.

Unless someone can prove it, I’m not believing that figures even half close.

[ozwoody]

If the rumours about Mueller ‘s wages are true then him going would release funds for a couple of players wages at least!?

3-4 championship players wages yep

[Coco Bryce]

I reckon in 10 years time I’ll still be laughing at posts on here saying “mind we were paying that American boy £10k a week?”.

Unless someone can prove it, I’m not believing that figures even half close.

Hibs were only paying half his wages. Ron was paying the rest as an investment venture was what I heard.

They actually believed he was going to be fantastic for us and we would sell him on for £millions

[Northernhibee]

Hibs were only paying half his wages. Ron was paying the rest as an investment venture was what I heard.

They actually believed he was going to be fantastic for us and we would sell him on for £millions

That’s really concerning.

[Broxburn Greens]

That’s really concerning.

Not really, he obviously looked the part in MLS where he was scouted but just couldn’t adapt to the style and level of play required for the SPFL top flight.

Always a risk with “investment” projects is they can go up and down in value. Sadly this particular project bombed.

[Northernhibee]

Not really, he obviously looked the part in MLS where he was scouted but just couldn’t adapt to the style and level of play required for the SPFL top flight.

Always a risk with “investment” projects is they can go up and down in value. Sadly this particular project bombed.

It doesn’t take much to see that he wasn’t suited to Scottish football. Lightweight, slow and predictable.

I’d take your point for some players but Mueller was always going to struggle here.

[GreenCastle]

Not really, he obviously looked the part in MLS where he was scouted but just couldn’t adapt to the style and level of play required for the SPFL top flight.

Always a risk with “investment” projects is they can go up and down in value. Sadly this particular project bombed.

He didn’t really look the part in MLS. He did ok most weeks but wasn’t exactly making an impact like Boyle with goals and assists.

He rarely played 90 mins and didn’t score or assist many goals.

[Broxburn Greens]

It doesn’t take much to see that he wasn’t suited to Scottish football. Lightweight, slow and predictable.

I’d take your point for some players but Mueller was always going to struggle here.

Maybe the hope was they could build him up a bit like McGinn but your point about him being lightweight and staying that way I agree with totally.

[ian cruise]

Hibs were only paying half his wages. Ron was paying the rest as an investment venture was what I heard.

They actually believed he was going to be fantastic for us and we would sell him on for £millions

I didn't think you could do that in the SPFL, and the club had to pay the wage, or am I getting mixed up with dual contracts and EBTs?

[ancient hibee]

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I didn't think you could do that in the SPFL, and the club had to pay the wage, or am I getting mixed up with dual contracts and EBTs?

All payments have to be as contracted.

[Is It On....]

Campbell and JDH should be punted at any cost.

JDH was fine when Magennis was playing regularly. We need him fit / another player to do the similar role then maybe the likes the JDH and Campbell will be of value to us. I know it's stating the obvious, but we also desperately need to get another player to provide the assists, if not the goal threat, that Martin Boyle used to.

[Coco Bryce]

JDH was fine when Magennis was playing regularly. We need him fit / another player to do the similar role then maybe the likes the JDH and Campbell will be of value to us. I know it's stating the obvious, but we also desperately need to get another player to provide the assists, if not the goal threat, that Martin Boyle used to.

Josh Campbell will never be of any 'value' to us. A dreadful footballer.

[Tyler Durden]

That’s really concerning.

The only thing that's concerning is that people believe such nonsense

[CropleyWasGod]

I didn't think you could do that in the SPFL, and the club had to pay the wage, or am I getting mixed up with dual contracts and EBTs?

If RG was contributing "his share" to the club, there would be nothing wrong with it. As long as the overall payment matched the contract, and the proper payments were made to HMRC, that would be okay.

Whether it is actually happening is another question.....

[SaulGoodman]

It doesn’t take much to see that he wasn’t suited to Scottish football. Lightweight, slow and predictable.

I’d take your point for some players but Mueller was always going to struggle here.

Players can improve, it was maybe hoped that he could bulk up and learn the game here. He’s undoubtedly got talent. I thought he looked technically good, but, like you say, too slow and lightweight for Scottish football.

As it is, he couldn’t settle here so it was best for both parties. Maybe things would be different if he was playing in a better team and we could be more patient with him.

[Northernhibee]

Players can improve, it was maybe hoped that he could bulk up and learn the game here. He’s undoubtedly got talent. I thought he looked technically good, but, like you say, too slow and lightweight for Scottish football.

As it is, he couldn’t settle here so it was best for both parties. Maybe things would be different if he was playing in a better team and we could be more patient with him.

If he was Melkersen's age he'd have been a good signing IMO. Unfortunately he's 25 and past the stage of being a "work in progress" if we're to be absolutely brutal.

[SaulGoodman]

If he was Melkersen's age he'd have been a good signing IMO. Unfortunately he's 25 and past the stage of being a "work in progress" if we're to be absolutely brutal.

I don’t disagree, it was a punt, it didn’t work. We move on.

I think we all hoped for way better from him.

[Aim Here]

Easier said than done mate. No chance they will get as good a deal elsewhere. We still need backups as we’ll not be bringing in 12-15 players in one go.

Even if they're not pushed out the door, you can loan them to a lower-league English/Scottish club, so that you're only paying the excess of (whatever we're paying them now - whatever they're actually worth) in wages.

[Coco Bryce]

The only thing that's concerning is that people believe such nonsense

It's the new modern American way. Maybe due to the fact this backfired so badly, it may be the last time it's happens.


If RG was contributing "his share" to the club, there would be nothing wrong with it. As long as the overall payment matched the contract, and the proper payments were made to HMRC, that would be okay.

Whether it is actually happening is another question.....

:agree:

[sleeping giant]

Hibs were only paying half his wages. Ron was paying the rest as an investment venture was what I heard.

They actually believed he was going to be fantastic for us and we would sell him on for £millions

Did you believe that when you heard it?