Dylan

[LewysGot2]

Again he played just a bit part in a game for Aberdeen, coming on to play for the dying minutes of the match. Goodwin apparently told the media most of the players on yesterday’s bench have been told to go. Chances are this includes Dylan.

Clearly there were issues towards the end of his time with us - be that not getting on with Lennon and/or not getting a contract offer that matched the one from Sunderland and ultimately Pittodrie…or a bit of both. However, it’s sad to see a player with more ability and influence than any of our starting midfield yesterday, on the bench as a squad player. His injury issues are always going to be a pain but it was a sad sight and I wonder if he ever wishes he hadn’t left?

Seen him a few times in Edinburgh with his family over the last year. He clearly still feels at home here.

He was our metronome in midfield- the one who would dictate the change of gears and could slow things down or up as required. He was brilliant in possession and was rarely dispossessed. Him being fit after a long lay off for the final was crucial to the outcome that day. Stubbs made the big call and right call in playing him ahead of others.

Wonder what he does next…

[Since90+2]

McGeough was absolutely brilliant for us, for me he was at the same level of McGinn for a season or two. As a footballer he's as good as anyone we've had but I just don't think his body can physically stand up to the pressures of high level football.

His move to Sunderland would have gave him wages he simply wouldn't have got up here, I'm sure he is comfortable enough with the decision knowing it likely helped set him and his family up for life.

[J-C]

Again he played just a bit part in a game for Aberdeen, coming on to play for the dying minutes of the match. Goodwin apparently told the media most of the players on yesterday’s bench have been told to go. Chances are this includes Dylan.

Clearly there were issues towards the end of his time with us - be that not getting on with Lennon and/or not getting a contract offer that matched the one from Pittodrie…or a bit of both. However, it’s sad to see a player with more ability and influence than any of our starting midfield yesterday, on the bench as a squad player. His injury issues are always going to be a pain but it was a sad sight and I wonder if he ever wishes he hadn’t left?

Seen him a few times in Edinburgh with his family over the last year. He clearly still feels at home here.

He was our metronome in midfield- the one who would dictate the change of gears and could slow things down or up as required. He was brilliant in possession and was rarely dispossessed. Him being fit after a long lay off for the final was crucial to the outcome that day. Stubbs made the big call and right call in playing him ahead of others.

Wonder what he does next…


Our offer was acceptable but he didn't get on with Lennon and it was Sunderland he went to after us not Aberdeen, I don't think Ross fancied him when he went to Aberdeen, I don't think we approached him.

[hibee-boys]

We need to move on, he’s not getting a game for a team that’s below us in the league.

[LewysGot2]

Our offer was acceptable but he didn't get on with Lennon and it was Sunderland he went to after us not Aberdeen, I don't think Ross fancied him when he went to Aberdeen, I don't think we approached him.

Sorry, a daft typo :agree:

[jacomo]

He was a good player for us but that ship has sailed.

We desperately need someone in midfield who can put their foot on the ball and dictate play though. Even if Magennis ever comes good for us, he is more of a box-to-box type player.

I don’t know where we will find such a player though.

[LewysGot2]

He was a good player for us but that ship has sailed.

We desperately need someone in midfield who can put their foot on the ball and dictate play though. Even if Magennis ever comes good for us, he is more of a box-to-box type player.

I don’t know where we will find such a player though.

I didn’t start the thread because I think he should come back, more a compare and contrast regards to where we are now compared to the not so distant past.

Also from a point of view of Dylan ending up - a bit like Scott Allan - where career in terms of game time and decisions made may have filled their pockets a bit but the game time didn’t ever fully reflect the quality of player. Health being the commonality there, too.


Dylan will end up at a smaller club than any he has previously served next season. The plastic pitches in some of the more predictable places might be a barrier for someone so prone to injury.

Wherever he goes, I wish him well

[chippy]

He was a good player for us but that ship has sailed.

We desperately need someone in midfield who can put their foot on the ball and dictate play though. Even if Magennis ever comes good for us, he is more of a box-to-box type player.

I don’t know where we will find such a player though.

But we need at least 3 quality midfielders , Dylan could be one , the problem is acquiring another 2 of similar quality

[Vault Boy]

I think he's better than anyone we currently have in that position. Can't say I've got a clue about his current state of fitness, though.

[blackpoolhibs]

Every time i have seen him since he returned to Scotland, he's looked nothing like the player who left us.

[darwenhibby]

Not enough room in the treatment room
Good player but be like scott Allan

[Paulie Walnuts]

I actually thought he looked half injured coming into the pitch. Almost like he was just dragging his right leg along whilst he was jogging.

Wonderful player for Hibs. Would kill for guys like 2015-2017 McGeough in our midfield now.

[LunasBoots]

I'd rather have Stevie Mallan than a few players we currently have, clubs regressed spectacularly

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'd rather have Stevie Mallan than a few players we currently have, clubs regressed spectacularly

Mallan would have been very handy this season. :agree:

[LewysGot2]

I'd rather have Stevie Mallan than a few players we currently have, clubs regressed spectacularly

This. That’s the essence of it.

Our recruitment has been awful in the last 3 to 4 years.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'd rather have Stevie Mallan than a few players we currently have, clubs regressed spectacularly

It's regressed because we replace quality like Dylan and John with guff like Mallan.

[Pedantic_Hibee]

The McGinn, McGeough and Allan triumvirate was the stuff of dreams.

[OldEast]

Mallan would have been very handy this season. :agree:

At least we would have had some shots on goal.

[Steven79]

The McGinn, McGeough and Allan triumvirate was the stuff of dreams.

Best midfield in Scotland for that second half of the season.

I made nearly every home game despite living in Bradford back then and now that i'm back in Scotland and living an hour away I can't bring myself to attend matches as it's just so dull in every respect.

[Tambo]

It's regressed because we replace quality like Dylan and John with guff like Mallan.

Would take a player with Mallans stats for Hibs right now in the Midfield over Campbell, JDH and Newell.

[LeithMike]

It's regressed because we replace quality like Dylan and John with guff like Mallan.Dont agree with you on everything but think you are right on this. Mallan was never good or mobile enough for midfield.

McGeouch is a difficult one..i think he's struggled a bit since leaving Hibs as he's not been used right. He's a holding midfielder, adept at bringing the ball out of defence. Best Ive seen at Hibs doing this but it was only Lennon that seemd to use him like this (and that prob by chance).

That role isnt hugely physically demanding and I'm sure he could still do it. I'd certainly take him back and I'd bring in Omeonga too to play box to box alongside him.

My one question mark over McInnes is how he never got the best out of Dylan.

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[The Modfather]

He was a good player for us but that ship has sailed.

We desperately need someone in midfield who can put their foot on the ball and dictate play though. Even if Magennis ever comes good for us, he is more of a box-to-box type player.

I don’t know where we will find such a player though.

Is that not meant to be Newell? If not I don’t know what his role is as he’s not a defensive midfielder and certainly not creative.

I don’t disagree with the need for someone who can put their foot on the ball and dictate play. For me my starting point would be an energetic midfield who actually runs ahead of the ball and gets into the box though.

[The Modfather]

It's regressed because we replace quality like Dylan and John with guff like Mallan.

We then continued that trend by replacing the likes of Mallan with even more ineffective players like JDH, Campbell and Newell.

[JamesHFC]

Would take a player with Mallans stats for Hibs right now in the Midfield over Campbell, JDH and Newell.

Yep, don’t think we will ever see Campbell or JDH produce enough to be voted as fans and players player of the year at this club.

[MWHIBBIES]

We then continued that trend by replacing the likes of Mallan with even more ineffective players like JDH, Campbell and Newell.

Newell is significantly better than Mallan and showed that when they were both here.

[Since452]

Not for me. He's done nothing at Aberdeen to suggest he's good enough for Hibs anymore. Need to look forward not back.

[The Modfather]

Newell is significantly better than Mallan and showed that when they were both here.

Possibly so, however I’d not look to build my midfield around either.

[Tambo]

Newell is significantly better than Mallan and showed that when they were both here.

Mallan was a much better and effective player for Hibs before Hecky started playing him in a much deeper role to which he probably still had better stats than Joe Newell.

[MWHIBBIES]

Mallan was a much better and effective player for Hibs before Hecky started playing him in a much deeper role to which he probably still had better stats than Joe Newell.

Mallan looked great against part time sides and in the league cup. Rarely had a good game in the spl. Stats are not a good way to judge a central midfielder. Great shot and corner taker, little else.

Lennon played him deep too. Ross never played him. Wasn't heckys fault.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

McGeough was absolutely brilliant for us, for me he was at the same level of McGinn for a season or two. As a footballer he's as good as anyone we've had but I just don't think his body can physically stand up to the pressures of high level football.

His move to Sunderland would have gave him wages he simply wouldn't have got up here, I'm sure he is comfortable enough with the decision knowing it likely helped set him and his family up for life.

Agree, he was as important a player as McGinn at one time, careers went in spectacularly different directions. I didn't even realise he had come on yesterday until recognising him going off at the end. Aberdeen & their hammer throwing, cheat at every opportunity style was always an unlikely destination for him to shine to be fair.

[Tambo]

Mallan looked great against part time sides and in the league cup. Rarely had a good game in the spl. Stats are not a good way to judge a central midfielder. Great shot and corner taker, little else.

Lennon played him deep too. Ross never played him. Wasn't heckys fault.

And Joe Newell has set the spl on fire. Good at keeping the ball moving 5 yards, can go past a man on occasion and gets dominated most weeks, little else.

If Kyle can somehow get fit and we get a season out of him like he started this season will be the key.

But anyway no to Dylan but we definitely need improvement I'm the midfield.

[MWHIBBIES]

And Joe Newell has set the spl on fire. Good at keeping the ball moving 5 yards, can go past a man on occasion and gets dominated most weeks, little else.

If Kyle can somehow get fit and we get a season out of him like he started this season will be the key.

But anyway no to Dylan but we definitely need improvement I'm the midfield.

See statements like that are just daft. Joe Newell played every week for us as we finished 3rd. That is more than Mallan has ever achieved so yes, he is better. He is a better passer, bigger, stronger, quicker, defensively much, much better. Mallan scores more goals yes, but thats it. He is all round a much poorer footballer.

Look forward to see Joe under the new gaffer with better players around him.

[Since90+2]

See statements like that are just daft. Joe Newell played every week for us as we finished 3rd. That is more than Mallan has ever achieved so yes, he is better. He is a better passer, bigger, stronger, quicker, defensively much, much better. Mallan scores more goals yes, but thats it. He is all round a much poorer footballer.

Look forward to see Joe under the new gaffer with better players around him.

Don't agree that Newell is a better passer of the ball than Mallan, I do agree however overall he is a better player.

[MWHIBBIES]

Don't agree that Newell is a better passer of the ball than Mallan, I do agree however overall he is a better player.

Stevie loved a hollywood pass that went out the pitch, or a crossfield one that stayed in the air so long the opposition could make 2 subs. One of his last starts was a 2-2 draw vs St Johnstone where he literally spent 60 minutes giving it away. Had to go after that showing.

[Since90+2]

Stevie loved a hollywood pass that went out the pitch, or a crossfield one that stayed in the air so long the opposition could make 2 subs. One of his last starts was a 2-2 draw vs St Johnstone where he literally spent 60 minutes giving it away. Had to go after that showing.


He did, but Newell very often plays the simple and easy pass. Those sort of balls Mallan could play with his eyes shut.

Newell is a better player though IMO.

[Halmyre Hibee]

Mallan scored 11 goals to Newell’s 1 in roughly the same amount of games and is a better all round player in my opinion.

[MWHIBBIES]

Mallan scored 11 goals to Newell’s 1 in roughly the same amount of games and is a better all round player in my opinion.

Mallan is no way a better all round player than Newell. He couldn't get near the side under the man who made him at St Mirren because of Newell.

[Inconsequential]

Newall doesn't do enough to merit the adulation from some posters imo. Doesn't dominate games to any extent, doesn't drive forward with the ball and hangs back most of the time giving away fouls and gets sent off. An attacker playing as a sitting midfielder who can't tackle. Should be played further up the park but then he can't shoot and doesn't score many goals as witnessed yesterday. Has an occasional good game but meh.

[Smartie]

None of these players are good or consistent enough if we want to finish top 3 again - Dylan, Mallan or Newell.

[Pretty Boy]

I loved Dyaln at Hibs. The kind of player I love watching playing, a proper football player. He was sensational in the 'natural order' derby. Ran the show from the centre circle and barely broke sweat doing it.

I thought he looked odd yesterday. Very slow and immobile. Could be he just needs games of course or maybe years of niggly injuries have caught up with him. A couple of years back I'd have been the loudest voice on here wanting him back, and I still won't hear a word said against just how good he was for us, but I'm not sure now.

[Smartie]

I loved Dyaln at Hibs. The kind of player I love watching playing, a proper football player. He was sensational in the 'natural order' derby. Ran the show from the centre circle and barely broke sweat doing it.

I thought he looked odd yesterday. Very slow and immobile. Could be he just needs games of course or maybe years of niggly injuries have caught up with him. A couple of years back I'd have been the loudest voice on here wanting him back, and I still won't hear a word said against just how good he was for us, but I'm not sure now.

I think he’s bulked up for “show” rather than “go”.

That, plus the niggly injuries mean that he definitely looks to have lost part of the burst he had.

Like you I thought he was magnificent at Hibs previously and even though he’s highly regarded I still feel he’s a bit under appreciated. I didn’t think there was much between him and SJM (allowing for them being very different players) and it’s interesting to see what has happened to them both since leaving Hibs.

[JohnM1875]

I think he’s bulked up for “show” rather than “go”.

That, plus the niggly injuries mean that he definitely looks to have lost part of the burst he had.

Like you I thought he was magnificent at Hibs previously and even though he’s highly regarded I still feel he’s a bit under appreciated. I didn’t think there was much between him and SJM (allowing for them being very different players) and it’s interesting to see what has happened to them both since leaving Hibs.

I think he's a bit underappreciated as well. At least with the folk I go to the games with. They think he was "awright" and it blows my mind.

[JimBHibees]

Newall doesn't do enough to merit the adulation from some posters imo. Doesn't dominate games to any extent, doesn't drive forward with the ball and hangs back most of the time giving away fouls and gets sent off. An attacker playing as a sitting midfielder who can't tackle. Should be played further up the park but then he can't shoot and doesn't score many goals as witnessed yesterday. Has an occasional good game but meh.

Thought he was awful yesterday and personally would get rid. Absolute sitter and his dallying when gifted the ball and not getting a shot in was ridiculous.

[MWHIBBIES]

Thought he was awful yesterday and personally would get rid. Absolute sitter and his dallying when gifted the ball and not getting a shot in was ridiculous.

Thing is, he was still easily our best midfielder and for 10/15 minutes 2nd half was playing very well. Remember he was up there intercepting that ball. Poor not to get a shot away but he done well initially.

JDH is okay, and Campbell is awful. Those 2 would be going long before Joe.

[JimBHibees]

Thing is, he was still easily our best midfielder and for 10/15 minutes 2nd half was playing very well. Remember he was up there intercepting that ball. Poor not to get a shot away but he done well initially.

JDH is okay, and Campbell is awful. Those 2 would be going long before Joe.

Would replace them all I think.

[blackpoolhibs]

comparing Mallan and Newell when both are really quite poor players is sad, i wish we were comparing quality players like Pat McGinlay or wee Russell. :rolleyes:

[MWHIBBIES]

Would replace them all I think.

Newell is a good player, Hibs are not getting 2 or 3 midfield players better than him this summer, so I'd imagine at WORST he'll be backup. Mostly likely a key part of our new managers plans IMO.

[BILLYHIBS]

comparing Mallan and Newell when both are really quite poor players is sad, i wish we were comparing quality players like Pat McGinlay or wee Russell. :rolleyes:

How did it come to this ?

[WeeRussell]

Newell is a good player, Hibs are not getting 2 or 3 midfield players better than him this summer, so I'd imagine at WORST he'll be backup. Mostly likely a key part of our new managers plans IMO.

We absolutely f***** better be getting 2 midfielders better than him before the start of the new season.

[Inconsequential]

We absolutely f***** better be getting 2 midfielders better than him before the start of the new season. Please could you emphasise your point? Make it clear to all. Thanks very much.:wink:

[blackpoolhibs]

Newell is a good player, Hibs are not getting 2 or 3 midfield players better than him this summer, so I'd imagine at WORST he'll be backup. Mostly likely a key part of our new managers plans IMO.

Newell is a good player sometimes, more often than not he's a poor to average one who's impact on a game is negligable.

[MWHIBBIES]

We absolutely f***** better be getting 2 midfielders better than him before the start of the new season.

We probably wont. Guys a good player.

[JimBHibees]

Newell is a good player, Hibs are not getting 2 or 3 midfield players better than him this summer, so I'd imagine at WORST he'll be backup. Mostly likely a key part of our new managers plans IMO.

Not sure he is that good a player pretty average slow lacks physicality gives it away a lot. Inconsistent no goals. Would probably prefer him replaced and keep JDH given his age and potential to improve.

[Cat Stanton]

It's regressed because we replace quality like Dylan and John with guff like Mallan.

The times they are a changin'.

[Cat Stanton]

How did it come to this ?

The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind.

[Stuart93]

Wouldn’t mind if we brought in midfielders and newell became back up. Just far too inconsistent. Been part of a midfield that’s been a huge problem for us this season.

[Eyrie]

Newell has enough ability to be part of a good midfield, but not enough ability to make a midfield good.

If (and I know that's a big word) we can get Magennis fit and Henderson continues to improve in the 10 role, then we can play Newell as the deepest of the three in a game where we would expect to have plenty of possession but drop him for a genuine defensive midfielder in derbies and Ugly Sister games.

So this summer we need to bring in that genuine defensive midfielder and find an understudy for Magennis (Tait?) so we can leave Doyle-Hayes on the bench and let Campbell find his level.

[jacomo]

Newell has enough ability to be part of a good midfield, but not enough ability to make a midfield good.

If (and I know that's a big word) we can get Magennis fit and Henderson continues to improve in the 10 role, then we can play Newell as the deepest of the three in a game where we would expect to have plenty of possession but drop him for a genuine defensive midfielder in derbies and Ugly Sister games.

So this summer we need to bring in that genuine defensive midfielder and find an understudy for Magennis (Tait?) so we can leave Doyle-Hayes on the bench and let Campbell find his level.


:agree:

Will be interesting to see what Tait can bring.

We probably need to plan without Magennis and if he’s fit then it’s welcome competition for places.

[RIP]

Dylan McGeoch was player of the year in a team with John McGinn in it. The midfield of DM, JM, Hendo and Fraser drove us forward at 1-2 down to go on and win the Scottish Cup.

A club hero in my eyes.

[Bushwoof]

I thought he looked odd yesterday. Very slow and immobile.
Dylan was always pretty slow, that was his one weakness. Wouldn't have him back - still a club legend though.

[loanheadhibby]

See statements like that are just daft. Joe Newell played every week for us as we finished 3rd. That is more than Mallan has ever achieved so yes, he is better. He is a better passer, bigger, stronger, quicker, defensively much, much better. Mallan scores more goals yes, but thats it. He is all round a much poorer footballer.

Look forward to see Joe under the new gaffer with better players around him.
Not sure Joe is good enough, a bit of a softie and no goal threat.
Opinions eh!

[loanheadhibby]

Thing is, he was still easily our best midfielder and for 10/15 minutes 2nd half was playing very well. Remember he was up there intercepting that ball. Poor not to get a shot away but he done well initially.

JDH is okay, and Campbell is awful. Those 2 would be going long before Joe.
Totally agree he is the best of the three but the other two are really poor.
Joe contributes very little, we need better.

[MWHIBBIES]

Not sure Joe is good enough, a bit of a softie and no goal threat.
Opinions eh!

Folk used to say the same about Dylan. And xavi. Dumb thing to expect goals from that type of midfielder.

He's certainly good enough. He's proved it.

[Inconsequential]

Folk used to say the same about Dylan. And xavi. Dumb thing to expect goals from that type of midfielder.

He's certainly good enough. He's proved it. What type of midfielder is Joe Newall? He certainly ain't no holding midfielder as he can't tackle properly, gives away endless fouls and gets booked or sent off. He was an attacker but as far as I'm aware Jack Ross started playing him further back.
He ain't that good and has proved nothing in my and many other's books!

[MWHIBBIES]

What type of midfielder is Joe Newall? He certainly ain't no holding midfielder as he can't tackle properly, gives away endless fouls and gets booked or sent off. He was an attacker but as far as I'm aware Jack Ross started playing him further back.
He ain't that good and has proved nothing in my and many other's books!

Hes a central midfield player, does a bit of everything. Utter myth he cant tackle, stats prove that wrong. Contributes well going forward, again proven by stats (not just the ones wikipedia track)

He's proven he is good enough to play every week in a top 3 SPL side, that can compete to win cups. Thats not a subjective thing.

[B.H.F.C]

Folk used to say the same about Dylan. And xavi. Dumb thing to expect goals from that type of midfielder.

He's certainly good enough. He's proved it.

Nothing dumb about expecting a midfielder to chip in with goals every now and again. There’s a difference between expecting double figures and expecting them to contribute here and there (Xavi scored 85 goals for Barca).

Dylan ran games for us and was integral to a really good Hibs team so lack of goal threat was excused. Newell is integral to this Hibs team but they’re not very good and he’s a big part of that. Even he’s spoken about needing to add something in the final third, he’s just never done it.

[The Modfather]

Hes a central midfield player, does a bit of everything. Utter myth he cant tackle, stats prove that wrong. Contributes well going forward, again proven by stats (not just the ones wikipedia track)

He's proven he is good enough to play every week in a top 3 SPL side, that can compete to win cups. Thats not a subjective thing.

Would you also say that of Gogic?

Last season we essentially sacrificed the midfield to make gains elsewhere. We played Gogic & Newell as well as Maggenis in a weird no man’s land out towards the left. Newell played his part in finishing 3rd last season along with everyone else. However I think we were closer to finishing 3rd despite the midfield rather than because of the midfield.

Another poster nailed it for me with Newell. He can be part of a good midfield but won’t make a midfield good.

[Inconsequential]

Hes a central midfield player, does a bit of everything. Utter myth he cant tackle, stats prove that wrong. Contributes well going forward, again proven by stats (not just the ones wikipedia track)

He's proven he is good enough to play every week in a top 3 SPL side, that can compete to win cups. Thats not a subjective thing. Lies, damned lies and statistics! :greengrin

[MWHIBBIES]

Nothing dumb about expecting a midfielder to chip in with goals every now and again. There’s a difference between expecting double figures and expecting them to contribute here and there (Xavi scored 85 goals for Barca).

Dylan ran games for us and was integral to a really good Hibs team so lack of goal threat was excused. Newell is integral to this Hibs team but they’re not very good and he’s a big part of that. Even he’s spoken about needing to add something in the final third, he’s just never done it.


I don't think Newell is on Dylans level, but hes a good player. Hes getting a kicking on here as he always has (remember the patter when he struggled at first, some have never got over it) but he is good and he'll continue to play.



Would you also say that of Gogic?

Last season we essentially sacrificed the midfield to make gains elsewhere. We played Gogic & Newell as well as Maggenis in a weird no man’s land out towards the left. Newell played his part in finishing 3rd last season along with everyone else. However I think we were closer to finishing 3rd despite the midfield rather than because of the midfield.

Another poster nailed it for me with Newell. He can be part of a good midfield but won’t make a midfield good.

I would say that of Gogic yes. Purely as a destroyer, he would do well. The problem is, we needed more and didn't play a very good formation for a pure destroyer this season.

I agree with that statement. Newell isn't going to carry the midfield. Really though, very few players can do that. Not even McGinn did. When McGeouch and Fyvie were out, he struggled with Marv beside him.

[BoomtownHibees]

Hes a central midfield player, does a bit of everything. Utter myth he cant tackle, stats prove that wrong. Contributes well going forward, again proven by stats (not just the ones wikipedia track)

He's proven he is good enough to play every week in a top 3 SPL side, that can compete to win cups. Thats not a subjective thing.

Did you no say on the first page of this thread that stats shouldn’t be used to judge a central midfielder?

[MWHIBBIES]

Did you no say on the first page of this thread that stats shouldn’t be used to judge a central midfielder?

Goals and assists, no. Not totally.

Things like tackles, interceptions, chances created, forward passes etc, yes, they absolutely should be and are. Thats why Newell plays every week.

[WeeRussell]

Goals and assists, no. Not totally.

Things like tackles, interceptions, chances created, forward passes etc, yes, they absolutely should be and are. Thats why Newell plays every week.

He doesn’t play every week because someone is looking at stats of his forward passes and interceptions. He plays every week because we’ve no got much better right now.

That absolutely has to change over the summer.

That’s not giving him a kicking. It’s just not going overboard about how good a footballer Joe Newell is for the sake of not backing down on an early opinion. He wouldn’t start in the midfield for either of the old firm or hearts right now, just to cover off the top 3 part.

[MWHIBBIES]

He doesn’t play every week because someone is looking at stats of his forward passes and interceptions. He plays every week because we’ve no got much better right now.

That absolutely has to change over the summer.

That’s not giving him a kicking. It’s just not going overboard about how good a footballer Joe Newell is for the sake of not backing down on an early opinion. He wouldn’t start in the midfield for either of the old firm or hearts right now, just to cover off the top 3 part.

Its not for the sake of not backing down. I thought he was pretty awful at first. Since hes moved to central midfield, hes been good. Far bigger problems than him.

[Since90+2]

He doesn’t play every week because someone is looking at stats of his forward passes and interceptions. He plays every week because we’ve no got much better right now.

That absolutely has to change over the summer.

That’s not giving him a kicking. It’s just not going overboard about how good a footballer Joe Newell is for the sake of not backing down on an early opinion. He wouldn’t start in the midfield for either of the old firm or hearts right now, just to cover off the top 3 part.

None of our players in the entire squad would start for either of the old firm so not sure how relevant to that is

[WeeRussell]

None of our players in the entire squad would start for either of the old firm so not sure how relevant to that is

It’s only relevant as someone stated above, as fact, that he’s good enough to play in a top 3 side every week.

[LaMotta]

Newell is significantly better than Mallan and showed that when they were both here.

Mallan is nowhere near as bad as you state and Newell is nowhere near as good as you state. The truth is somewhere in between.

[sunshinejim]

Mallan is nowhere near as bad as you state and Newell is nowhere near as good as you state. The truth is somewhere in between.

Newell is a top player. There's no doubt about it. He's been our stand out midfield player for weeks and months. Unfortunate to be sent off for not very much in the sf against the corrupt maroon. Definitely been carrying the midfield for some time now.

[Stuart93]

Newell is a top player. There's no doubt about it. He's been our stand out midfield player for weeks and months. Unfortunate to be sent off for not very much in the sf against the corrupt maroon. Definitely been carrying the midfield for some time now.

He’s still far too inconsistent for me. Good game one week then missing the next. Unfortunately been part of a midfield that’s struggled all season

[LaMotta]

Newell is a top player. There's no doubt about it. He's been our stand out midfield player for weeks and months. Unfortunate to be sent off for not very much in the sf against the corrupt maroon. Definitely been carrying the midfield for some time now.

There is lots of doubt about him being a "top player" from plenty of people.

[loanheadhibby]

Newell is a top player. There's no doubt about it. He's been our stand out midfield player for weeks and months. Unfortunate to be sent off for not very much in the sf against the corrupt maroon. Definitely been carrying the midfield for some time now.
You have to be joking, he contributes very little every week.
If you think he was unlucky at Hampden you're kidding yourself.

[Since90+2]

Newell is a top player. There's no doubt about it. He's been our stand out midfield player for weeks and months. Unfortunate to be sent off for not very much in the sf against the corrupt maroon. Definitely been carrying the midfield for some time now.

Got himself sent off and potentially cost us the game

[Tambo]

Got himself sent off and potentially cost us the game

Averages 2 tackles per game but somehow managed an average of 2.3 fouls per game.

[J-C]

Newell is a show pony who performs around once every 5 games, need better if we want to be better, squad player at best.

[B.H.F.C]

Newell is a top player. There's no doubt about it. He's been our stand out midfield player for weeks and months. Unfortunate to be sent off for not very much in the sf against the corrupt maroon. Definitely been carrying the midfield for some time now.

He’s not been carrying anyone, the midfield has been terrible this year.

He’s the best of a bad bunch but that doesn’t make him a top player.

[superfurryhibby]

Newell is a top player. There's no doubt about it. He's been our stand out midfield player for weeks and months. Unfortunate to be sent off for not very much in the sf against the corrupt maroon. Definitely been carrying the midfield for some time now.

This has to be a wind-up and a pretty obvious one at that. It’s actually quite amusing.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Newell is a top player. There's no doubt about it. He's been our stand out midfield player for weeks and months. Unfortunate to be sent off for not very much in the sf against the corrupt maroon. Definitely been carrying the midfield for some time now.

Couldn’t disagree more with this.

[RIP]

The problem that Joe has is he is trying to carry a lightweight midfield and attack. We have so few physical players compared to opposition teams, he is trying to be both a creative midfield player and a hard-tackling midfielder who breaks up the play.

Recent Hibs coaches and recruitment teams don’t recognise the need for physical players it seems. Milligan, Bartley, Gogic and Hallberg were all shed from the squad and smaller, lighter, less physical players signed to replace them.

These people need to understand that we play in the SPL, not Serie A.

[The Modfather]

The problem that Joe has is he is trying to carry a lightweight midfield and attack. We have so few physical players compared to opposition teams, he is trying to be both a creative midfield player and a hard-tackling midfielder who breaks up the play.

Recent Hibs coaches and recruitment teams don’t recognise the need for physical players it seems. Milligan, Bartley, Gogic and Hallberg were all shed from the squad and smaller, lighter, less physical players signed to replace them.

These people need to understand that we play in the SPL, not Serie A.

I maybe have a more negative view of Newell, but he seems to get a free pass in terms of our lack of creativity rather than being part of the problem alongside his fellow midfielders. He’s our most experienced and talented midfielder yet he has no desire to get ahead of the ball or drive with the ball into the oppositions half. Despite the fact he’s effectively doing the same job as JDH. He’s not solely responsible but he is also part of the reason our strikers are always so isolated.

He’s not awful but I also think it’s difficult to make much of a case that he’s carrying anything this season. Two good players beside him that can mitigate his flaws and he’s fine in the short-medium term. However I’d say that’s also the case for JDH.

[snedzuk]

If he's that good, there will be loads of suitors shortly and as he's on a long deal, we can get some income for him.

[MWHIBBIES]

If he's that good, there will be loads of suitors shortly and as he's on a long deal, we can get some income for him.

Dreadful logic.

[BILLYHIBS]

McGeouch : It’s a no from me

Newell : Meh !

Seems to have reinvented himself from a midfielder on the periphery that performed 1:5 to a so called hard man player that goes crashing into opposition players for no apparent reason picking up needless bookings

Cost us a place in the final with his stupid tackle when there was no real danger

Played 100 scored 3 Booked 22 Sent Off 2

Needs to start using the heid

[loanheadhibby]

Dreadful logic.
Why?
If he's a quality midfielder as you often state surely we can expect a bit of interest from other clubs.

[Inconsequential]

Why?
If he's a quality midfielder as you often state surely we can expect a bit of interest from other clubs. Absolutely! Players that do well at Hibs always attract interest from other clubs. That's the way it's always been and probably always will be. '

[MWHIBBIES]

Why?
If he's a quality midfielder as you often state surely we can expect a bit of interest from other clubs.

We've had many many quality players who haven't attracted loads of interest or have left for nothing. Such a poor argument when discussing a players quality.

[Eyrie]

McGeouch : It’s a no from me

Newell : Meh !

Seems to have reinvented himself from a midfielder on the periphery that performed 1:5 to a so called hard man player that goes crashing into opposition players for no apparent reason picking up needless bookings

Cost us a place in the final with his stupid tackle when there was no real danger

Played 100 scored 3 Booked 22 Sent Off 2

Needs to start using the heid

One of those reds was in Europe and a ridiculous decision. I was in the East that evening and could see the ref had got it wrong.

[H113EE5]

Yip… just what we need. Another pedestrian midfielder who can knock the ball backwards and sideways. Made to look good with excellent players around him. Jeezz.. can’t even get a regular game for Aberdeen.

[BILLYHIBS]

One of those reds was in Europe and a ridiculous decision. I was in the East that evening and could see the ref had got it wrong.

Agree

But he has gone from a silky player to being the total opposite by trying to mix it and it’s no working it is not his game getting involved in personal vendettas and being posted missing from many appearances

22 Bookings and 3 goals is unacceptable from 100 appearances

Not fussed if he stays or goes blows hot and cold mostly cold

He did score a good goal at Dundee United once upon a time

God knows when the next one will come along

Booked again tonight won’t even ask how he played

[Keyser Sauzee]

One of those reds was in Europe and a ridiculous decision. I was in the East that evening and could see the ref had got it wrong.

I remember the challenge and the ref may well have got it wrong but it was one of the silliest challenges I’ve seen. 15 mins into the game in their box where they had no where to go but punt it abs lunged in like a lunatic. He’s got talent but he really can’t tackle and it’s shown him up several times this season.

[Eyrie]

Agree

But he has gone from a silky player to being the total opposite by trying to mix it and it’s no working it is not his game getting involved in personal vendettas and being posted missing from many appearances

22 Bookings and 3 goals is unacceptable from 100 appearances

Not fussed if he stays or goes blows hot and cold mostly cold

He did score a good goal at Dundee United once upon a time

God knows when the next one will come along

Booked again tonight won’t even ask how he played

Newell didn't play tonight.

He was on the pitch for ninety minutes though. Stone cold minutes.

[MWHIBBIES]

Yip… just what we need. Another pedestrian midfielder who can knock the ball backwards and sideways. Made to look good with excellent players around him. Jeezz.. can’t even get a regular game for Aberdeen.

Dylan was excellent. Nothing to do with players around him. 8f anything he made others look better than they were, especially our fullbacks.

[JimBHibees]

Newell is a top player. There's no doubt about it. He's been our stand out midfield player for weeks and months. Unfortunate to be sent off for not very much in the sf against the corrupt maroon. Definitely been carrying the midfield for some time now.

Absolutely isn't a top player and would immediately get rid. Deservedly sent off in semi final.