Whats going on at Hibs that we dont know?

[Gordy M]

Ive noticed over the past few months that a number of posters, a lot of whom were previously supportive of most things Hibs, and generally post reasonable and well thought out posts, have posted a few anti board comments? Ive absolutely no inside knowledge of what goes on at Easter Road, and to me it just seems like its been a relatively poor season and we've been through a few of them over the years.....but is there stuff going on that certain folk are party to, or have heard from inside the club that should concern us? The stuff being posted seems to be way more critical than just a bad season??

[Pretty Boy]

I know a few people who are usually hugely defensive about the club and who will try to see the best in everything we do who are deeply concerned. They aren't likely to engage in some of the hyperbole that is part and parcel of the modern online football community, I have no such reservations evidently, but they are concerned nonetheless.

I said on another thread only a short while ago that people who work or have worked for Hibs talk, same as any other workplace and I'm certain that's where a lot of the stuff is coming from.

For me I watched the Zoom calls Ron Gordon hosted last week and he said at least 2 things that were wholly untrue. I'm not going to go into the ins and outs of it but I know they weren't true. That makes me question whether I should trust anything else he says.

[Gordy M]

I know a few people who are usually hugely defensive about the club and who will try to see the best in everything we do who are deeply concerned. They aren't likely to engage in some of the hyperbole that is part and parcel of the modern online football community, I have no such reservations evidently, but they are concerned nonetheless.

I said on another thread only a short while ago that people who work or have worked for Hibs talk, same as any other workplace and I'm certain that's where a lot of the stuff is coming from.

For me I watched the Zoom calls Ron Gordon hosted last week and he said at least 2 things that were wholly untrue. I'm not going to go into the ins and outs of it but I know they weren't true. That makes me question whether I should trust anything else he says.

Thank you for your reply, you were one of the posters i was referring to. Do you doubt that RG has the best interests of Hibs at heart? Or is it the way he is running the club that concerns you and others?

[sunshinejim]

Ive noticed over the past few months that a number of posters, a lot of whom were previously supportive of most things Hibs, and generally post reasonable and well thought out posts, have posted a few anti board comments? Ive absolutely no inside knowledge of what goes on at Easter Road, and to me it just seems like its been a relatively poor season and we've been through a few of them over the years.....but is there stuff going on that certain folk are party to, or have heard from inside the club that should concern us? The stuff being posted seems to be way more critical than just a bad season??

Being beaten twice in very important matches by the corrupt weirdo edinburgh establishment club was very damaging indeed for a lot of our supporters. There's bound to be a backlash and to see such a spineless second half performance against Livi on Saturday there was brutal. Lots of us just want the season to finish and move on. The good thing is that Maloney has been removed and very very hopefully we will appoint a competent strong minded manager who can take us forward. Lots to look forward to.

[IberianHibernian]

Ive noticed over the past few months that a number of posters, a lot of whom were previously supportive of most things Hibs, and generally post reasonable and well thought out posts, have posted a few anti board comments? Ive absolutely no inside knowledge of what goes on at Easter Road, and to me it just seems like its been a relatively poor season and we've been through a few of them over the years.....but is there stuff going on that certain folk are party to, or have heard from inside the club that should concern us? The stuff being posted seems to be way more critical than just a bad season??As always when results don`t go as well as we`d hope for there is an air of negativity or worse and lots of criticism of those running Hibs . Can`t say I`ve noticed people criticising who were previously supportive , only 4 or 5 who have criticised Maloney as manager even before he was confirmed as our manager but will be quick to oppose 80% of his possible successors . Likewise players , loads talking of clearouts but not suggesting new signings within our budget . Over the years Tom Farmer got loads of criticism here in many years we made no cup semis let alone finals and missed out on top 6 as being a non football man . Ron Gordon now getting the same as working from a distance . There will always be the odd supporter here who has personal contact with a player / coach / director and also can`t forget those posting here who are not supporters of Hibernian . All of us want us to win trophies and play attractive football . Most of us are realistic about how that can be achieved and how often . Ironically , Ron Gordon could maybe be criticised for thinking that success can be achieved overnight hence decision to change last manager so soon .

[Pretty Boy]

Thank you for your reply, you were one of the posters i was referring to. Do you doubt that RG has the best interests of Hibs at heart? Or is it the way he is running the club that concerns you and others?

I can only speak for myself and say I don't think he has any nefarious intentions. I daresay Hearts fans looking in would love to believe there is money laundering, plans to build flats at ER or some other wicked scheme afoot.

Personally I just don't think he fully understood Scottish football before he took over and I'm not sure he understands it now.

[May21/05/216]

We've had a bad season and some fans are enjoying being trolls

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[Hibbyradge]

I can only speak for myself and say I don't think he has any nefarious intentions. I daresay Hearts fans looking in would love to believe there is money laundering, plans to build flats at ER or some other wicked scheme afoot.

Personally I just don't think he fully understood Scottish football before he took over and I'm not sure he understands it now.

I think if you're going to say that he tells lies, the knockers will fill their boots

[Gordy M]

I can only speak for myself and say I don't think he has any nefarious intentions. I daresay Hearts fans looking in would love to believe there is money laundering, plans to build flats at ER or some other wicked scheme afoot.

Personally I just don't think he fully understood Scottish football before he took over and I'm not sure he understands it now.

Yeh i didnt think you meant anything like money laundering etc. Im sure he didnt understand Scottish football when he bought us but would like to think he is learning as we go. I do like the fact he seems to know when he has made a mistake and sought to rectify that, heres hoping that we get the manager/player recruitment right in the summer .

[GreenPJ]

I can only speak for myself and say I don't think he has any nefarious intentions. I daresay Hearts fans looking in would love to believe there is money laundering, plans to build flats at ER or some other wicked scheme afoot.

Personally I just don't think he fully understood Scottish football before he took over and I'm not sure he understands it now.

I think he is trying to do things differently - if we follow the normal approach will we ever get to what he wants to achieve (consistently being top 4), probably not and that includes management appointments as well as recruitment pools. I would argue for too long we have spent a lot of our income on what are ultimately average/journeymen players. You either continue to pay overinflated wages to people who really won't move the dial or you try another approach and shop outside the usual pool (young, overseas talent as well as hope that some of the academy will make the transition).

The experiment hasn't worked so far, I think it will be interesting to see what route we go down with manager and recruitment going forward as he may take a step back and revert to the previous approach to get 'experienced players who know the Scottish game'. That would solidify us but would it ultimately progress us?

I think we will all agree that we need 2/3 experienced pro's with one of those being a vociferous captain - for me they don't have to have a knowledge of Scottish football but need to be seasoned enough to deal with the physicality of Scottish football.

[IberianHibernian]

Yeh i didnt think you meant anything like money laundering etc. Im sure he didnt understand Scottish football when he bought us but would like to think he is learning as we go. I do like the fact he seems to know when he has made a mistake and sought to rectify that, heres hoping that we get the manager/player recruitment right in the summer .What club owner or team manager ( if in charge of recruitment ) has not been criticised for bad recruitment of managers and players by some supporters at any club ?

[Radium]

Ron Gordon on one of the Podcasts he went on said that the advice he got from STF was ‘just win’. He hasn’t got the club to do that this season. On so many levels an almost season but not a winning one.

Maloney didn’t work in a really bad way because we should be fighting Motherwell and Dundee United for Europe. Hits the fans and finances. His tenure ended up sucking the life out of many fans.

Hearts beat us twice and will be in Europe till Christmas. Look at the protests from Hearts fans outside Tynecastle last year when we were going well and they were getting emptied by Brora to see how fans of both teams react.

A number of people have left/ been moved on by the owner which has left a sour note for some.

The owner has the temerity to have his son working at the club. STF at least had the grace to have a rugby loving account as his man on the inside (not my view of RP but not far off the meme)


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[Pretty Boy]

I think if you're going to say that he tells lies, the knockers will fill their boots

Frankly I don't care. He did lie.

If others are happy with what is going on at Hibs right now and truly believe the best about the people running the show then nothing I say will change their mind anyway.

[Zambernardi1875]

I know a few people who are usually hugely defensive about the club and who will try to see the best in everything we do who are deeply concerned. They aren't likely to engage in some of the hyperbole that is part and parcel of the modern online football community, I have no such reservations evidently, but they are concerned nonetheless.

I said on another thread only a short while ago that people who work or have worked for Hibs talk, same as any other workplace and I'm certain that's where a lot of the stuff is coming from.

For me I watched the Zoom calls Ron Gordon hosted last week and he said at least 2 things that were wholly untrue. I'm not going to go into the ins and outs of it but I know they weren't true. That makes me question whether I should trust anything else he says.

Unless you’re able to call out what he said was a lie you’re part of the problem where Hibs will never weed out this constant faction between fans and board

[badabing67]

Frankly I don't care. He did lie.

If others are happy with what is going on at Hibs right now and truly believe the best about the people running the show then nothing I say will change their mind anyway.

What did he lie about

[Gordy M]

What club owner or team manager ( if in charge of recruitment ) has not been criticised for bad recruitment of managers and players by some supporters at any club ?

No you are right, thats my point. I just feel that the critisism is way ott rather than us just having a bad season, i wondered if there was other stuff going on that i, and others, werent aware of.

[Baader]

I think he is trying to do things differently - if we follow the normal approach will we ever get to what he wants to achieve (consistently being top 4), probably not and that includes management appointments as well as recruitment pools. I would argue for too long we have spent a lot of our income on what are ultimately average/journeymen players. You either continue to pay overinflated wages to people who really won't move the dial or you try another approach and shop outside the usual pool (young, overseas talent as well as hope that some of the academy will make the transition).

The experiment hasn't worked so far, I think it will be interesting to see what route we go down with manager and recruitment going forward as he may take a step back and revert to the previous approach to get 'experienced players who know the Scottish game'. That would solidify us but would it ultimately progress us?

I think we will all agree that we need 2/3 experienced pro's with one of those being a vociferous captain - for me they don't have to have a knowledge of Scottish football but need to be seasoned enough to deal with the physicality of Scottish football.

Sorry, but Hibs shouldn't ever be "an experiment."

I am increasingly worried about the ownership and direction our football club is heading in.

[sunshinejim]

Frankly I don't care. He did lie.

If others are happy with what is going on at Hibs right now and truly believe the best about the people running the show then nothing I say will change their mind anyway.

Don't think any of us are happy with what is going on right now. But there are spies in the camp and it'll be posted on the weirdo edinburgh establishment club's website before you know it and then taken as gospel and widely reported by the BBC. I'd tell them FA.

[SlickShoes]

Amazing, just say he lies, say you know it for a fact and then leave it at that.

Let other folk fill in the blanks that they make up themselves then we end up with another “meuller gets paid 10k a week” nonsense doing the rounds.

This thread is basically by design “make something up and state it as facts” because no one can fact check any of it.

[HFC93]

I know a few people who are usually hugely defensive about the club and who will try to see the best in everything we do who are deeply concerned. They aren't likely to engage in some of the hyperbole that is part and parcel of the modern online football community, I have no such reservations evidently, but they are concerned nonetheless.

I said on another thread only a short while ago that people who work or have worked for Hibs talk, same as any other workplace and I'm certain that's where a lot of the stuff is coming from.

For me I watched the Zoom calls Ron Gordon hosted last week and he said at least 2 things that were wholly untrue. I'm not going to go into the ins and outs of it but I know they weren't true. That makes me question whether I should trust anything else he says.

What's the point in alluding to this on a public platform if you're not going to say what he was lying about? Back it up or don't bother. Attention seeking behaviour.

[Hibbyradge]

Frankly I don't care. He did lie.

If others are happy with what is going on at Hibs right now and truly believe the best about the people running the show then nothing I say will change their mind anyway.

That's fair enough, but if you don't identify the lies to which you refer, you're allowing people to speculate and imaginations are powerful.

It's not fair to make vague, unsubstantiated allegations, as I'm sure you'd agree.

[Vault Boy]

It might be worth considering that the points that PB doesn't want to mention in explicit terms may contain personal information regarding other individuals, issues that aren't for him to speak on. That's often the nature of these things. It doesn't mean he's not allowed to allude to them.

And attention seeking? Please.

[RIP]

One of the statements made by Ron was to cite the reasons why long-standing committed Hibs-supporting staff had left the club.

[CMac1988]

PB has always been a fair and measured poster. Seldom if ever gets caught up in any kind of hysteria on here and articulates his points well. Could be a number of reasons for not being able to say more.

Without going down the rabbit hole it wouldn't shock me if one of 'lies' is in reference to Ron's response on his son's roles/responsibilities at the club. I think our recruitment outside one or two players since Ron's arrival has been pitiful. Back to the scattergun approach with most signings more hopeful than anything.

In fairness to Ron I sense he has a great deal of desire to get us where he wants us to be and don't doubt his passion but right now he's miles of it. He got a fairly easy ride when doing his post Maloney interviews. My biggest concern is that he thinks we have a good squad capable of competing in the top 6. I don't think Maloney was the right man for the job but I also don't think many managers at our level could get much more out the current squad regardless of injuries. It's filled to the brim with mediocrity. I wish one of the lies would be how good he thinks the squad is...

[FitbaFolkKen]

This strikes me as similar to when TheCat got emptied. His status on the forum meant everyone took it seriously when he talked about Leeann, rightly or wrongly. I think it is similar here, an Admin calling the owner a liar is going to gain traction.Particularly when framed as fact. Without any context it is just going to fuel wild speculation on the forum, we've got over 20 minutes of footage to pick out some lines and call them lies.

I fully expect this thread to be absolute carnage and produce some new hibs net "facts".

[MrSmith]

Maybe we need to investigate and scrutinise RG’s video response a bit further. PB has always been a fair and mindful poster (imo) therefore, I’ll look into his comments. I am though very worried about our club and the way it’s being run perhaps it is simply a naive owner rather than some tycoon with a nefarious business plan? I think so but doesn’t stop me from being concerned.

[OldEast]

I know absolutely nothing but from his press conference 3 things struck me as maybe a bit of bluff or less than true.
"You won't find anyone more passionate about Hibs than me" I doubt that is true, he hadn't heard of us just a few years ago.
"We had a good transfer window" Probably in his eyes it was good for future player sales.
And for me the biggie, I'll paraphrase here as can't remember the exact words " Sue McLernon wanted to leave"

[JammyDoidger]

Yeh i didnt think you meant anything like money laundering etc. Im sure he didnt understand Scottish football when he bought us but would like to think he is learning as we go. I do like the fact he seems to know when he has made a mistake and sought to rectify that, heres hoping that we get the manager/player recruitment right in the summer .

I'm not confident we will get it right..not unless we get a manager in with fantastic contacts and knowledge of the British game. I wouldn't let Kensall, Gordon or any of their wee crew recommend another player, let alone spend money on one. They need to just stay out of things and let a proper manager do his thing and get this club back where it should be.

[May21/05/216]

My opinion is that hibs have had a bad season
It happens
And now we have some fans panicking and posting a lot of nonsense


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[Dmas]

PB has always been a fair and measured poster. Seldom if ever gets caught up in any kind of hysteria on here and articulates his points well. Could be a number of reasons for not being able to say more.

Without going down the rabbit hole it wouldn't shock me if one of 'lies' is in reference to Ron's response on his son's roles/responsibilities at the club. I think our recruitment outside one or two players since Ron's arrival has been pitiful. Back to the scattergun approach with most signings more hopeful than anything.

In fairness to Ron I sense he has a great deal of desire to get us where he wants us to be and don't doubt his passion but right now he's miles of it. He got a fairly easy ride when doing his post Maloney interviews. My biggest concern is that he thinks we have a good squad capable of competing in the top 6. I don't think Maloney was the right man for the job but I also don't think many managers at our level could get much more out the current squad regardless of injuries. It's filled to the brim with mediocrity. I wish one of the lies would be how good he thinks the squad is...

I think the run of results under Maloney and the manner of a couple of them recently has fogged the brain, their was a difference of a point which meant we didn’t make top 6, one solitary point, all Ron said was he thinks that this squad is good enough to finish top 6 and he’s right, this squad have beaten Motherwell and Dundee Utd previously and with SM as manager, a lot of people on here will tell you we would have made top 6 with JR still in charge so again RG’s point is correct.

There’s enough absolute rubbish being trotted out on here and places like twitter that for me people who have heard first hand info but are unwilling to share the full thing should maybe think twice about sharing the snipets, it’s just adding fuel to hyperbolic fire.

If Rons a liar and someone knows for a fact that’s the case and doesn’t trust a word he says now because of it let’s all hear what he’s lied about, the fact the owners son is more hands on in transfer dealings? It’s his dads cash his dad lives in a different country transfers is the biggest outlay in this buisness do we think RG isn’t going to want a trusted person in position there? I don’t think the club is deaf to the mood and criticism of his son being involved is his alleged lie more of a political answer to weather storm.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I know absolutely nothing but from his press conference 3 things struck me as maybe a bit of bluff or less than true.
"You won't find anyone more passionate about Hibs than me" I doubt that is true, he hadn't heard of us just a few years ago.
"We had a good transfer window" Probably in his eyes it was good for future player sales.
And for me the biggie, I'll paraphrase here as can't remember the exact words " Sue McLernon wanted to leave"

The Sue Mclernon one was strange to me and was immediately what I thought of when PB said he lied.

By all accounts on here Sue was devastated and absolutely did not want to leave.

The only way what he’s saying could potentially be true is if she’s been told her hours were getting dramatically reduced or wages reduced etc and she’s left off her own back because of that, which would be slightly creative of Ron to suggest she wants to leave but potentially not a lie. Either way, that struck me as an odd comment he made.

[DaveF]

It might be worth considering that the points that PB doesn't want to mention in explicit terms may contain personal information regarding other individuals, issues that aren't for him to speak on. That's often the nature of these things. It doesn't mean he's not allowed to allude to them.

And attention seeking? Please.

He said the comments were made on the zoom call. Therefore, it's public and people can re watch the call and hear them for themselves, but for clarity's sake all PB has to do is name the 2 points and then folk can make their own mind up.

Until that happens, then it just leads to idle speculation.

[Since452]

Judging it how is see it (or hear it). Ron coming out and saying the January window was good was very concerning. His son as head of recruitment is very concerning. The appointment of Maloney was very concerning. Gordon Jnr and Kensell tasked with finding a new manager is concerning. The negatives or concerns are now starting to outweigh the positives. I'm really hoping we appointment a good manager and have a good summer window to ease those concerns.

[JimBHibees]

I know a few people who are usually hugely defensive about the club and who will try to see the best in everything we do who are deeply concerned. They aren't likely to engage in some of the hyperbole that is part and parcel of the modern online football community, I have no such reservations evidently, but they are concerned nonetheless.

I said on another thread only a short while ago that people who work or have worked for Hibs talk, same as any other workplace and I'm certain that's where a lot of the stuff is coming from.

For me I watched the Zoom calls Ron Gordon hosted last week and he said at least 2 things that were wholly untrue. I'm not going to go into the ins and outs of it but I know they weren't true. That makes me question whether I should trust anything else he says.

Such as?

[Dmas]

Judging it how is see it (or hear it). Ron coming out and saying the January window was good was very concerning. His son as head of recruitment is very concerning. The appointment of Maloney was very concerning. Gordon Jnr and Kensell tasked with finding a new manager is concerning. The negatives or concerns are now starting to outweigh the positives. I'm really hoping we appointment a good manager and have a good summer window to ease those concerns.

What’s been awful about the January window, losing Boyle aside?

Why is concerning that Kensall leads the manager hunt? Off the top of my head I can remember 3 managers leaving of their own accord and the rest being sacked in my 40 years supporting hibs, kensalls had one roll of the dice and has made the same mistake as all the rest, what has caused this lack of trust in him doing a job?

What are the negatives that are based on facts actual facts and not the hibs.net facts? All I’m seeing is very angry fans being very angry about anything they can be, new sponsor again what’s that 713 people giving hibs money sack someone heads must roll…a dug at training ffs sack someone heads must roll…mueller awk he’s mince terrible signing sack someone…eh muellers leaving already on a free sack someone.

Genuinely only see the hibs support causing all this negativity aye rubbish season bottom 6 is rubbish but aren’t the club going about trying to fix that?

[Jones28]

I know a few people who are usually hugely defensive about the club and who will try to see the best in everything we do who are deeply concerned. They aren't likely to engage in some of the hyperbole that is part and parcel of the modern online football community, I have no such reservations evidently, but they are concerned nonetheless.

I said on another thread only a short while ago that people who work or have worked for Hibs talk, same as any other workplace and I'm certain that's where a lot of the stuff is coming from.

For me I watched the Zoom calls Ron Gordon hosted last week and he said at least 2 things that were wholly untrue. I'm not going to go into the ins and outs of it but I know they weren't true. That makes me question whether I should trust anything else he says.

Sorry PB but if you’re making these sorts of statements you’ve got to spell out what it is RG lied about before people get over excited.

[Unseen work]

I think some are massively overreacting, we’re nowhere near in as big a mess as some think.

The season has been poor, there’s no doubt about it but the club know that.

We’re not as bad as some think, the same way we’re never as good as some think when we’re doing well.

Some of the stuff I’m reading about the recruitment or Kensell/Gordon just seems mental and way OTT.

The club know they made a mistake with Ross/Maloney, cut their losses and now are going about their business to fix it.

[Jones28]

Ive noticed over the past few months that a number of posters, a lot of whom were previously supportive of most things Hibs, and generally post reasonable and well thought out posts, have posted a few anti board comments? Ive absolutely no inside knowledge of what goes on at Easter Road, and to me it just seems like its been a relatively poor season and we've been through a few of them over the years.....but is there stuff going on that certain folk are party to, or have heard from inside the club that should concern us? The stuff being posted seems to be way more critical than just a bad season??

It’s a stinker of a season. That’s it. There’s nothing dodgy happening, it’s been naivety on the part of those at the top. The perception of the owner giving his son a job that he isn’t qualified for has really stunk, and the optics on it are not good. But there’s the comparison to our chums across the city about what happened when they were taken over and the owner employed his son. That’s what’s putting the ****s up people imo.

[Barney McGrew]

Sorry PB but if you’re making these sorts of statements you’ve got to spell out what it is RG lied about before people get over excited.

I’d hazard a guess it’s the bits about Sue choosing to leave and the manager having the final say on all signings.

[Sudds_1]

.... the knockers will fill their boots

Are we talking anne widdicombe here? 😇

[Hiber-nation]

I think some are massively overreacting, we’re nowhere near in as big a mess as some think.

The season has been poor, there’s no doubt about it but the club know that.

We’re not as bad as some think, the same way we’re never as good as some think when we’re doing well.

Some of the stuff I’m reading about the recruitment or Kensell/Gordon just seems mental and way OTT.

The club know they made a mistake with Ross/Maloney, cut their losses and now are going about their business to fix it.

While I definitely have concerns I tend to agree, we've got to assume that Ron is learning from his mistakes and hopefully a good managerial appointment will get everyone back onside.

[Lee Marvin]

Well, this thread is definitely not going to be helpful for Hibs overall.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

If two people look at a coin from different perspective one said it has heads on it, the other said it has tails, who is lying and who is telling the truth?

Surely if someone is called out as a liar on this site, whether it be an admin or otherwise are we not skating on thin ice here? given that they and or the forum could be held to account from a legal perspective…

[BegbieHSC]

I’m generally a happy clapper tbh, but what worries me is the club seems to be getting more wrong than it’s getting right.

This next managerial appointment is huge. We’ve ****ed up a partnership, ****ed up recruitment and ****ed up a managerial appointment. To me, it’s becoming apparent that we may have ****ed up a CEO appointment. Players are wanting to leave. Is Mueller’s departure down to the vision of the club sold to him being different to reality? We’re a big club, who should be qualifying for Europe more often than not, and last weekend saw a defeat against a team with 1000 season ticket holders, but other results prevented a relegation, so we’re not even raging.

Get the next manager and summer recruitment right, and we can put it down to just a bad season. **** that up, and we’ve got serious problems.

[easty]

I think some are massively overreacting, we’re nowhere near in as big a mess as some think.

The season has been poor, there’s no doubt about it but the club know that.

We’re not as bad as some think, the same way we’re never as good as some think when we’re doing well.

Some of the stuff I’m reading about the recruitment or Kensell/Gordon just seems mental and way OTT.

The club know they made a mistake with Ross/Maloney, cut their losses and now are going about their business to fix it.

I agree with this.

I also think that when a site admin is calling out our owner as a liar, they have to back it up. It’s the sort of statement I can imagine admins deleting if it had to come from someone else.

He might well be a liar. He maybe did lie twice. I don’t know. If you’re going to make statements like that though you have to justify them, not just log off for the night.

[Pretty Boy]

My earlier post was never intended as a dump and run. Tbh I regretted posting what I did and took a bit time to think it over, not because I don't believe what I said to be true but because I quickly realised it would lead to comment about people who don't post on here.

I'm not sure it really should be the case but it appears that what an admin posts on here carries more weight than what someone else posts, for the record what I posted before was as an individual, not on behalf of hibs.net and certainly not as a collective view of the site as a whole. Regardless of what people believe there is no editorial policy on here and if an admin posts using their own account, then it's generally their own opinion being posted.

Bearing the above in mind I'll follow up my earlier post by saying Ron Gordon was asked about a number of individuals who have left the club in recent times. He stated a couple of times they left of their own accord. I believe, with what I consider to be good reason, that he spun the truth somewhat with that answer. I also believe, again with what I think is good reason, that had the format of the interview been different he would have been challenged on his answer more thoroughly by those doing the questioning at the time.

[Purple & Green]

Ive noticed over the past few months that a number of posters, a lot of whom were previously supportive of most things Hibs, and generally post reasonable and well thought out posts, have posted a few anti board comments? Ive absolutely no inside knowledge of what goes on at Easter Road, and to me it just seems like its been a relatively poor season and we've been through a few of them over the years.....but is there stuff going on that certain folk are party to, or have heard from inside the club that should concern us? The stuff being posted seems to be way more critical than just a bad season??

We know what we know, and we don’t know what we don’t know.

Right up there with no news is no news.

I think right now the current owner and employees are probably regretting blaming past employees for issues at the club. Maybe even have an enhanced understanding of the good job done in the past.

[Purple & Green]

My earlier post was never intended as a dump and run. Tbh I regretted posting what I did and took a bit time to think it over, not because I don't believe what I said to be true but because I quickly realised it would lead to comment about people who don't post on here.

I'm not sure it really should be the case but it appears that what an admin posts on here carries more weight than what someone else posts, for the record what I posted before was as an individual, not on behalf of hibs.net and certainly not as a collective view of the site as a whole. Regardless of what people believe there is no editorial policy on here and if an admin posts using their own account, then it's generally their own opinion being posted.

Bearing the above in mind I'll follow up my earlier post by saying Ron Gordon was asked about a number of individuals who have left the club in recent times. He stated a couple of times they left of their own accord. I believe, with what I consider to be good reason, that he spun the truth somewhat with that answer. I also believe, again with what I think is good reason, that had the format of the interview been different he would have been challenged on his answer more thoroughly by those doing the questioning at the time.

You articulated that well, and fwiw I think you’re right.

I think it’s a sign of the times that the people present on that zoom were not going to press RG on what he said; it’s frustrating.

[Smartie]

We know what we know, and we don’t know what we don’t know.

Right up there with no news is no news.

I think right now the current owner and employees are probably regretting blaming past employees for issues at the club. Maybe even have an enhanced understanding of the good job done in the past.

:agree:

I think a few people at Hibs at the moment are realising just how difficult it can be to bring success to Hibs, and are starting to understand why it has been a challenge for everyone tasked with it previously.

[Vault Boy]

You articulated that well, and fwiw I think you’re right.

I think it’s a sign of the times that the people present on that zoom were not going to press RG on what he said; it’s frustrating.

There were a couple of things I'd have loved to push him on, but as was probably evidenced by the full video, the time restraints simply didn't allow it.

For balance, we weren't warned off any topics prior to the call, there was no briefing to speak of. So credit where it's due there. We just weren't given time to come back on any points.

[Smartie]

You articulated that well, and fwiw I think you’re right.

I think it’s a sign of the times that the people present on that zoom were not going to press RG on what he said; it’s frustrating.

It's a bit harsh to be criticising the folk on the zoom call imo.

We've all had a few weeks to mull over what maybe should and shouldn't have been asked or said. They didn't have that luxury and at the time I thought the call, Ron himself, and the questioners were well received.

Since then we've also had another pish performance, the Mueller situation and the Sportemon Go situation blow up.

It's always easy with hindsight.

[Is It On....]

I think some are massively overreacting, we’re nowhere near in as big a mess as some think.

The season has been poor, there’s no doubt about it but the club know that.

We’re not as bad as some think, the same way we’re never as good as some think when we’re doing well.

Some of the stuff I’m reading about the recruitment or Kensell/Gordon just seems mental and way OTT.

The club know they made a mistake with Ross/Maloney, cut their losses and now are going about their business to fix it.

As long as Ian Gordon is Head of the Recruitment Department then Kensell is a lame duck CEO. There maybe issues with the analysis the recruitment department is providing but sticking your son in charge and essentially giving him a seat at the top table is not the answer.

[Pretty Boy]

There were a couple of things I'd have loved to push him on, but as was probably evidenced by the full video, the time restraints simply didn't allow it.

For balance, we weren't warned off any topics prior to the call, there was no briefing to speak of. So credit where it's due there. We just weren't given time to come back on any points.

Yep. Obviously I wasn't on the call but, as you know, I was well aware of how and when it was organised.

Absolutely no criticism aimed at those doing the interviewing. It was always going to be tough to really push further given the number of people involved and the time constraints in place. Equally RG deserves credit for essentially allowing an open line of questioning and for it to then be posted on a public platform. A similar Q&A was organised on behalf of Rod Petrie several years ago but it was behind closed doors and with selected individuals only.

[Lago]

Yep. Obviously I wasn't on the call but, as you know, I was well aware of how and when it was organised.

Absolutely no criticism aimed at those doing the interviewing. It was always going to be tough to really push further given the number of people involved and the time constraints in place. Equally RG deserves credit for essentially allowing an open line of questioning and for it to then be posted on a public platform. A similar Q&A was organised on behalf of Rod Petrie several years ago but it was behind closed doors and with selected individuals only.
I'm sure that when a new manager is finally appointed Ron will be present in person along with his CEO, that surely will allow for more detailed questions to be asked.

[Lago]

I think some are massively overreacting, we’re nowhere near in as big a mess as some think.

The season has been poor, there’s no doubt about it but the club know that.

We’re not as bad as some think, the same way we’re never as good as some think when we’re doing well.

Some of the stuff I’m reading about the recruitment or Kensell/Gordon just seems mental and way OTT.

The club know they made a mistake with Ross/Maloney, cut their losses and now are going about their business to fix it.
A sensible and balanced post. 👍

[Scotty Leither]

Yep. Obviously I wasn't on the call but, as you know, I was well aware of how and when it was organised.

Absolutely no criticism aimed at those doing the interviewing. It was always going to be tough to really push further given the number of people involved and the time constraints in place. Equally RG deserves credit for essentially allowing an open line of questioning and for it to then be posted on a public platform. A similar Q&A was organised on behalf of Rod Petrie several years ago but it was behind closed doors and with selected individuals only.

Well said. I watched the Zoom call, and no harm to the guys that were putting the questions, but it was frustrating there was no comeback to Gordon, particularly the "good transfer window" comment, which, if he'd said that in a live face-to-face setting would not went unchallenged.

One of the perils of having an overseas owner I suppose, but you could say it highlights the need for a more vocal and visible CEO than the one we have at the moment.

[Purple & Green]

It's a bit harsh to be criticising the folk on the zoom call imo.

We've all had a few weeks to mull over what maybe should and shouldn't have been asked or said. They didn't have that luxury and at the time I thought the call, Ron himself, and the questioners were well received.

Since then we've also had another pish performance, the Mueller situation and the Sportemon Go situation blow up.

It's always easy with hindsight.

It wasn’t meant as a criticism of those on the call.

[loanheadhibby]

I think some are massively overreacting, we’re nowhere near in as big a mess as some think.

The season has been poor, there’s no doubt about it but the club know that.

We’re not as bad as some think, the same way we’re never as good as some think when we’re doing well.

Some of the stuff I’m reading about the recruitment or Kensell/Gordon just seems mental and way OTT.

The club know they made a mistake with Ross/Maloney, cut their losses and now are going about their business to fix it.

You may be correct in stating fans are overreacting however given our performance on and off the pitch, they are surely entitled to voice their concerns?

Whilst the club are acknowledging 2 mistakes on the managerial front, what confidence can we have that the same people who made the initial mistakes, are involved in the process of appointing the next manager? Do we just keep them in position if the next manager is not the correct appointment.

Cutting their losses is a another nonsense. It's not Ron/Ben's/Ian losses, it's our losses. Folk buying season tickets/cup final tickets/merchandise/Walk ups that are paying for these mistakes.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Too many former / alleged ITKs are no longer party to the internal gossip, or being fed titbits to share, and are taking the hump. Their " sources" have either been emptied or left over the past 2 years. RG and the team he has brought in don't have the same network so the disgruntled are having a pop as their ITK status is no longer credible. RG seems enthuesiastic about Hibs in a way Sir Tom never was.

[GreenCastle]

There are still a few people at the club with Hibs connections such as David Gray, McGregor, Hanlon, Stevenson and Gareth Evans for example who is a coach.

Not sure it’s all awful but there does feel like Ron needs to get people working below him doing better.

There also needs to be a manager brought in who can galvanise them club and fan base and get fans attending ER again enjoying their football.

Character - on field leadership - both characteristics the club is missing.

Biggest few months for Hibs coming up - will be interesting to see what happens.

[JohnMcM]

Maybe, just maybe, it’s worth remembering there are know knowns, known unknowns, unknown unknowns, guesswork and speculation and as history shows, the truth will always out.

A post was made in apparently good faith, people have chosen their side of the fence from which to view that post, which is fine for debate and general discussion. Each to their own I say and will trust until there is evidence my trust has been abused.

[leith lynx]

I would like to see an experienced "football guy" with a bit of savvy about him, somebody like Pat Nevin, to be brought in as a football director to hopefully appoint the right manager to take us forward and to assist in proper recruitment within the given budget from RG.

[WhileTheChief..]

I think some are massively overreacting, we’re nowhere near in as big a mess as some think.

I dunno.

If we agree that the club made a mess with Maloney, and it looks like Mueller too, then we've got to be concerned about who appointed / recruited them.

We've all, collectively, been concerned about the last few transfer windows too.

Our owner thinks we had a good window in January and that the squad is stronger than a year ago. I don't, and I get the feeling more fans would agree with me than RG on this point.

We still have the same people doing the recruitment now that we had in January and are basically hoping they have learnt from their mistakes.

I'm not meaning to sound critical or negative here, but where are the positives??!!

[easty]

My earlier post was never intended as a dump and run. Tbh I regretted posting what I did and took a bit time to think it over, not because I don't believe what I said to be true but because I quickly realised it would lead to comment about people who don't post on here.

I'm not sure it really should be the case but it appears that what an admin posts on here carries more weight than what someone else posts, for the record what I posted before was as an individual, not on behalf of hibs.net and certainly not as a collective view of the site as a whole. Regardless of what people believe there is no editorial policy on here and if an admin posts using their own account, then it's generally their own opinion being posted.

Bearing the above in mind I'll follow up my earlier post by saying Ron Gordon was asked about a number of individuals who have left the club in recent times. He stated a couple of times they left of their own accord. I believe, with what I consider to be good reason, that he spun the truth somewhat with that answer. I also believe, again with what I think is good reason, that had the format of the interview been different he would have been challenged on his answer more thoroughly by those doing the questioning at the time.

I’m glad this has been re-opened and you’ve clarified.

I don’t think admins posts hold any more weight than anyone else’s, but I’d expect any poster who straight out calls someone at the club a liar, should have to justify it.

Wasn’t so long ago we had threads shut down left right and centre if they dared to mention Scott Allan and the reasons he wasn’t playing…despite them not being a secret. I don’t see why any poster (not just admins) should be allowed to slur someone at the club without justifying it.

[JohnMcM]

I dunno.

If we agree that the club made a mess with Maloney, and it looks like Mueller too, then we've got to be concerned about who appointed / recruited them.

We've all, collectively, been concerned about the last few transfer windows too.

Our owner thinks we had a good window in January and that the squad is stronger than a year ago. I don't, and I get the feeling more fans would agree with me than RG on this point.

We still have the same people doing the recruitment now that we had in January and are basically hoping they have learnt from their mistakes.

I'm not meaning to sound critical or negative here, but where are the positives??!!

Well, I for one am positive there is some negativity in this thread…………….You’re welcome:greengrin

[Mainstandman]

I would like to see an experienced "football guy" with a bit of savvy about him, somebody like Pat Nevin, to be brought in as a football director to hopefully appoint the right manager to take us forward and to assist in proper recruitment within the given budget from RG.

Thing is who has an all good history, You say Pat Nevin but he was CEO when Motherwell spent all that cash then went into administration. Strachan at Dundee, they're not doing anything etc.

[Vault Boy]

I’m glad this has been re-opened and you’ve clarified.

I don’t think admins posts hold any more weight than anyone else’s, but I’d expect any poster who straight out calls someone at the club a liar, should have to justify it.

Wasn’t so long ago we had threads shut down left right and centre if they dared to mention Scott Allan and the reasons he wasn’t playing…despite them not being a secret. I don’t see why any poster (not just admins) should be allowed to slur someone at the club without justifying it.

We were very transparent about Scott's situation.

We weren't platforming sensitive information or speculation about his health (some of which ended up being false) because it was important that Scott was in control of that information. It was his choice how, when, and if he wanted that to be in the public. We communicated that at the time and I really don't think it's comparable.

[easty]

We were very transparent about Scott's situation.

We weren't platforming sensitive information or speculation about his health (some of which ended up being false) because it was important that Scott was in control of that information. It was his choice how, when, and if he wanted that to be in the public. We communicated that at the time and I really don't think it's comparable.

I think it is comparable. You’re (the admins) deciding what is and isn’t appropriate to be said on this forum. Is it appropriate for folk to call staff at the club liars, without backing it up, at all.

PB has backed it up now, and that makes it a different story.

[MelbourneHibees]

Next manager appointment is massive but I don't think things are a sbad as being made out.

[Scotty Leither]

I would like to see an experienced "football guy" with a bit of savvy about him, somebody like Pat Nevin, to be brought in as a football director to hopefully appoint the right manager to take us forward and to assist in proper recruitment within the given budget from RG.

That's a great shout. Won't happen though, it would be an admission of failure on the Board's behalf and would mean one or both of Gordon junior and Kensell moving aside, and I don't think the club's currently got that level of humility about them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I dunno.

If we agree that the club made a mess with Maloney, and it looks like Mueller too, then we've got to be concerned about who appointed / recruited them.

We've all, collectively, been concerned about the last few transfer windows too.

Our owner thinks we had a good window in January and that the squad is stronger than a year ago. I don't, and I get the feeling more fans would agree with me than RG on this point.

We still have the same people doing the recruitment now that we had in January and are basically hoping they have learnt from their mistakes.

I'm not meaning to sound critical or negative here, but where are the positives??!!

Agree.

Keep seeing a lot of posts saying the squads really not all that bad but I couldn’t disagree more.

This squad is the main reason we are where we are imo and there’s not a manager who we could realistically get that could get this lot playing well and challenging for 3rd. There’s simply nowhere near enough quality. Where we are in the league is probably an accurate reflection of the ability of these players.

[Hibbyradge]

That's a great shout. Won't happen though, it would be an admission of failure on the Board's behalf and would mean one or both of Gordon junior and Kensell moving aside, and I don't think the club's currently got that level of humility about them.

They admitted failure with Maloney and, presumably Chris Meuller (assuming it wasn't him that instigated the return to the USA).

Ron Gordon said that in hindsight sacking JR was a mistake so I doubt they'd have any qualms about changing things if they're not working.

You don't need humility to rectify mistakes. In fact, I imagine that RG didn't built his business by being stubborn.

[CL0762]

You articulated that well, and fwiw I think you’re right.

I think it’s a sign of the times that the people present on that zoom were not going to press RG on what he said; it’s frustrating.

I understand this point. However, we are just supporters of the club who don’t have any media training/journalistic experience to the extent that the broadcast/print media do.

I can only speak from my own experience but I did not have the confidence to challenge Ron on specific answers he gave to any of the questions that would’ve made the zoom call potentially awkward and might’ve closed the door to future opportunities for the podcasts to he invited on in the future.

[Scotty Leither]

I understand this point. However, we are just supporters of the club who don’t have any media training/journalistic experience to the extent that the broadcast/print media do.

I can only speak from my own experience but I did not have the confidence to challenge Ron on specific answers he gave to any of the questions that would’ve made the zoom call potentially awkward and might’ve closed the door to future opportunities for the podcasts to he invited on in the future.

I sympathise, but then the owner is only going to hear what he wants to hear if there's no pushback from the fans as to what he's saying.

The January window was brutal; we sold Boyle, signed nobody of any pedigree and then brought in a laddie from the EFL on loan on the last day of the window - same as what Mathie did in the summer and he got sacked.

He's probably had his card marked by certain people on the Board that we're a bunch of chippy so-and-so's at the best of times anyway, so surely being challenged on his "good transfer window" comment wouldn't have came as a surprise to him???

[CL0762]

I sympathise, but then the owner is only going to hear what he wants to hear if there's no pushback from the fans as to what he's saying.

The January window was brutal; we signed nobody of any pedigree and then brought in a laddie from the EFL on loan on the last day of the window - same as what Mathie did in the summer and he got sacked.

He's probably had his card marked by certain people on the Board that we're a bunch of chippy so-and-so's at the best of times anyway, so surely being challenged on his "good transfer window" comment wouldn't have came as a surprise to him???

Nah I completely get where you’re coming from - I came off the call going ‘I wish I had asked x or y’ but in that moment it’s quite difficult. I wouldn’t have felt comfortable challenging an answer on someone else’s question.

[hibee-boys]

I’m surprised a thread of ‘what’s going on that we don’t know about’ has so many contributions🤔

[Scotty Leither]

Nah I completely get where you’re coming from - I came off the call going ‘I wish I had asked x or y’ but in that moment it’s quite difficult. I wouldn’t have felt comfortable challenging an answer on someone else’s question.

Fair play to you pal, I'd have asked it, but then we're all different, and I'm not trying to act like a smart@rse in hindsight...When I watched the podcast, his comment about the transfer window immediately jarred with me.

I thought it was BS when I first heard him say it and I think it's BS now, and owner or not, he should have been challenged on it.

[CL0762]

Fair play to you pal, I'd have asked it, but then we're all different, and I'm not trying to act like a smart@rse in hindsight...When I watched the podcast, his comment about the transfer window immediately jarred with me.

I thought it was BS when I first heard him say it and I think it's BS now, and owner or not, he should have been challenged on it.

I get where you’re coming from.

Yeah, I messaged one of the other guys on the call straight after we finished because his facial expression when that answer was given was quite notable.

[chrisski33]

Frankly I don't care. He did lie.

If others are happy with what is going on at Hibs right now and truly believe the best about the people running the show then nothing I say will change their mind anyway.

so what are these lies? or are you lying? just asking for Ron

[leithsansiro]

I would like to see an experienced "football guy" with a bit of savvy about him, somebody like Pat Nevin, to be brought in as a football director to hopefully appoint the right manager to take us forward and to assist in proper recruitment within the given budget from RG.

We badly need "football minded" people with the right values in key positions at the club. As much as it pains me to say it, Hearts have got that one bang on. I'm not convinced that many, if any, of the people running our club actually get Scottish football, nevermind Hibs!

[leithsansiro]

Actually, the more I think about it, the more this entire sorry episode with Hibs feels like a Football Manager save game that's gone badly wrong.

The annoying thing is, I remember being so pleased and excited when it was announced that Ron Gordon was taking over. It seemed genuinely exciting and gave us a lot of realistic optimism for what might be. Sadly, we've now seemingly turned into everything that we used to slag Hearts off for...uuuurgh!

[Mrimbetween]

I know a few people who are usually hugely defensive about the club and who will try to see the best in everything we do who are deeply concerned. They aren't likely to engage in some of the hyperbole that is part and parcel of the modern online football community, I have no such reservations evidently, but they are concerned nonetheless.

I said on another thread only a short while ago that people who work or have worked for Hibs talk, same as any other workplace and I'm certain that's where a lot of the stuff is coming from.

For me I watched the Zoom calls Ron Gordon hosted last week and he said at least 2 things that were wholly untrue. I'm not going to go into the ins and outs of it but I know they weren't true. That makes me question whether I should trust anything else he says.


Why bother posting that then if you aint gonny say what the lies were or it sounds like its you who is slavering

Put up or shut up

[Turkish Green]

We badly need "football minded" people with the right values in key positions at the club. As much as it pains me to say it, Hearts have got that one bang on. I'm not convinced that many, if any, of the people running our club actually get Scottish football, nevermind Hibs!

I was sceptical from the beginning and I still do not understand what Gordon gets from his investment in Hibs. If ancestral bent, then Aberdeen would be more plausible for the Gordon clan. Although, I am of the same clan and was brought up in Stockeree.

I so want RG to succeed but can't help noticing the coincidences with the Romanov's across the city.

[Percy Vere]

I am consistently fighting with the boo boys in here. Support your team. Support Maloney and RG. Regardless of the reasons the sackings of SM and JR have bothered me. Ultimately that’s led to me considering what RG his son and Kensell are all about.
Looking at player stats for the season the goals and assists columns are seriously disappointing. If I was in this squad I’d be asking everyone to take a look in the mirror. It’s been bad and the team have underachieved.
The next appointment is absolutely vital as is the support the manager and his team get. Get this wrong and I fear a spiral into mediocrity and fans walking away.

[Pretty Boy]

Why bother posting that then if you aint gonny say what the lies were or it sounds like its you who is slavering

Put up or shut up

Probably a lesson here about reading the whole thread.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Probably a lesson here about reading the whole thread.

What was the second lie? If the first was about the people leaving the club? Apologies if I've missed it.

[WestStandWillie]

Was always gonna be a tough ask following up on 3rd place and a terrific cup run. Board made a meal of Jack Ross, substandard recruitment (RG’s statement all but confirmed that) followed on Maloney and we’ve been twatted by one helluva injury list.

So much to get right otherwise fans will turn

[dp00]

Frankly I don't care. He did lie.

If others are happy with what is going on at Hibs right now and truly believe the best about the people running the show then nothing I say will change their mind anyway.

Did he not say something like it was the choice of the staff who have left to leave , we know that not to be true for all of them


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[Paulie Walnuts]

Did he not say something like it was the choice of the staff who have left to leave , we know that not to be true for all of them


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Suppose it depends on how you twist the truth.

As far as I’m aware, Sue didn’t want to go. If she’d been told that her hours were being cut and so was her pay though then maybe she had to go and made the decision to leave herself. If you want to be economical with the truth, you could say it was Sue’s decision to leave.

I don’t have any knowledge that this is what happened btw but I’d fancy Ron won’t be out right lying as it would be fairly easy to disprove. I’m not so sure he wouldn’t be twisting the truth though and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an element of forcing Sue’s hand. If she didn’t want to go as people on here have suggested then there must have been some sort of background issue surely?

I’ve got to say, alarm bells are starting to ring for me. I don’t necessarily think there’s anything malicious in Ron’s intentions, but I’m concerned he’s trying to turn us into something that a Scottish football team will never be.

[eastmainsmsh]

Have we been duped ? Time will tell

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I think we’ve already spiralled into mediocrity and the fans are walking away. Ron Gordon wants us to be like Atletico Madrid when we can’t even be like Ross (fen) county. He seems clueless.

More like Atletico Alloa!

[degenerated]

Was always gonna be a tough ask following up on 3rd place and a terrific cup run. Board made a meal of Jack Ross, substandard recruitment (RG’s statement all but confirmed that) followed on Maloney and we’ve been twatted by one helluva injury list.

So much to get right otherwise fans will turnWill turn?

[Frazerbob]

Probably a lesson here about reading the whole thread.

I’ve read the whole and I’m none the wiser about the 2 alleged lies.

[sleeping giant]

Have we been duped ? Time will tell

Duped?
For what purpose?

[LewysGot2]

Did he not say something like it was the choice of the staff who have left to leave , we know that not to be true for all of them


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He didn’t. He said it was the choice of some of them to leave.

[Rob]

Suppose it depends on how you twist the truth.

As far as I’m aware, Sue didn’t want to go. If she’d been told that her hours were being cut and so was her pay though then maybe she had to go and made the decision to leave herself. If you want to be economical with the truth, you could say it was Sue’s decision to leave.

I don’t have any knowledge that this is what happened btw but I’d fancy Ron won’t be out right lying as it would be fairly easy to disprove. I’m not so sure he wouldn’t be twisting the truth though and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an element of forcing Sue’s hand. If she didn’t want to go as people on here have suggested then there must have been some sort of background issue surely?

I’ve got to say, alarm bells are starting to ring for me. I don’t necessarily think there’s anything malicious in Ron’s intentions, but I’m concerned he’s trying to turn us into something that a Scottish football team will never be.

I was thinking more along lines of a voluntary redundancy package, where if you accept the deal you'll get a good bit more than the statutory minimum redundancy payment. Accept the package and we can say that technically you made the decision to leave. Don't accept it and you'll get a much smaller pay-off.

[greenlex]

………………… the knockers will fill their boots


Are we talking anne widdicombe here? ��
I feel sudds’ post has largely been ignored or missed. Either way it deserves better. :faf::faf::faf:

[Not In The Know]

Hibs have underperformed for decades. Ron has said as much. He's trying to change things up and to get it right he'll need time. I all for giving him a very fair crack at it.

[eastmainsmsh]

Duped?
For what purpose?

Time will tell where we are heading I just think it’s concerning way things have panned out lately