Which manager with Hibs connections would you most like to see appointed?

[He's here!]

Personally I think SDG deserves a shot at the role.

[Alfiembra]

One not on the list John Doolan

[EastThomasSTboy]

Personally I think SDG deserves a shot at the role.


John Collins....way ahead of his time, trying to make/force the players into looking after themselves, on and off the Pitch.

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[andrew70]

John Collins....way ahead of his time, trying to make/force the players into looking after themselves, on and off the Pitch.

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Yes 100%. Backing the players over Collins is a big reason why we now accept mediocrity as one.

[Logie Green]

Paul Hartley. 😜

[JoeT]

John McGinn as player/manager

[Golden Bear]

John Collins for me as well.

[He's here!]

John Collins....way ahead of his time, trying to make/force the players into looking after themselves, on and off the Pitch.

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Right enough. Forgot about him. Not sure how to edit a poll though to add names.

[CockneyRebel]

Personally I think SDG deserves a shot at the role.


Why does he deserve a shot? As caretaker for two periods we haven't seen any difference in performance.

[Vault Boy]

Mogga

[Since452]

Roy Keane. Mentioned Hibs in his book. That counts.

[overdrive]

None. I want a winner. Not someone appointed for sentimental reasons.

[LewysGot2]

Roy Keane. Mentioned Hibs in his book. That counts.

I'm sure Craig Levein did, too 😉🤪

[ekhibee]

Definitely Michael O'Neill.

[He's here!]

Why does he deserve a shot? As caretaker for two periods we haven't seen any difference in performance.

The 'two periods' have comprised a handful of games. If we're judging him on that then Maloney's 19 games looks very generous.

Gray's a top pro, a winner who knows the club inside out. You can tell from his interviews he knows what's needed and personally I think he'd be a safer pair of hands than most. Inexperienced, sure, but he's learning fast.

[andrew70]

The 'two periods' have comprised a handful of games. If we're judging him on that then Maloney's 19 games looks very generous.

Gray's a top pro, a winner who knows the club inside out. You can tell from his interviews he knows what's needed and personally I think he'd be a safer pair of hands than most. Inexperienced, sure, but he's learning fast.

It’s sacrilege I know but Gray should be nowhere near the dug out. I feel for him. Certainly not learning any quicker than he should be. That’s not a slight more an understanding as to where he should be at the minute.

[Kato]

Yes 100%. Backing the players over Collins is a big reason why we now accept mediocrity as one.Who backed the players?

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[Brown Hibs]

One not on the list John Doolan

What is this about? Baffling

[heretoday]

Come back Heck!

[Sioux]

Why does he deserve a shot? As caretaker for two periods we haven't seen any difference in performance.

Did you really expect DG to wave some magic wand and improve performances to a different level?

[HoboHarry]

None. I want a winner. Not someone appointed for sentimental reasons.

I'm with you there.

[andrew70]

Who backed the players?

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The board for a start. Mind boggling. Collins was going to drag us kicking and screaming into success but the cry babies won the day.

[Kato]

The board for a start. Mind boggling. Collins was going to drag us kicking and screaming into success but the cry babies won the day.Not true at all. The board backed the manager.



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[leith lynx]

Definitely Michael O'Neill.

100%

[Paulie Walnuts]

Patrick Vieira.

[MKHIBEE]

None. I want a winner. Not someone appointed for sentimental reasons.


Im the same, the club needs an overhaul on the playing side, get a new face with new ideas and practices in

[andrew70]

Not true at all. The board backed the manager.



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In what way? The players should have been emptied. The club has been rotten to the core and only the latter stages of Stubbs and majority of Lennon’s reign has it had the correct attitude. A winner takes all attitude, a determination to be the best even against the Old Firm.

If the board backed Collins then they concealed that very well.

[The Modfather]

Not true at all. The board backed the manager.



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We’ll never know what really went on but I find it hard to separate the “revolt”and the fact Petrie, after that final, ended up having to publicly call out the culture at Hibs and that it had to change.

Collins had many faults I’m sure, man management probably being the biggest one, as well as the implementation of his ideas. However the raft of journeymen we had passing through Hibs with no real care or desire to improve beyond picking up a their wage in the subsequent years doesn’t suggest to me we backed the manager at the time. Or if we did it didn’t work.

[WillieP]

We’ll never know what really went on but I find it hard to separate the “revolt”and the fact Petrie, after that final, ended up having to publicly call out the culture at Hibs and that it had to change.

Collins had many faults I’m sure, man management probably being the biggest one, as well as the implementation of his ideas. However the raft of journeymen we had passing through Hibs with no real care or desire to improve beyond picking up a their wage in the subsequent years doesn’t suggest to me we backed the manager at the time. Or if we did it didn’t work.
He could only this bunch. Would look forward to going back with JC in charge.

[BigKev]

Revisionism by so many regarding JC. Bottled it when facing a tough run of games and walked away.

All this nonsense about his vision and philosophies being greater than the club is utter tripe.

His signings were atrocious. He lived off the remnants of Mowbray’s team then signed people who were athletes rather than football.

His tenure was probably as disappointing as Maloney’s. Both similar characters with the same principles. If JC was “too ambitious” for us then SM must have been as well.

Anyway back on topic I’d have Mowbray back in a minute.

[Glory Lurker]

Hugh Shaw or Jock Stein, please.

[He's here!]

Revisionism by so many regarding JC. Bottled it when facing a tough run of games and walked away.

All this nonsense about his vision and philosophies being greater than the club is utter tripe.

His signings were atrocious. He lived off the remnants of Mowbray’s team then signed people who were athletes rather than football.

His tenure was probably as disappointing as Maloney’s. Both similar characters with the same principles. If JC was “too ambitious” for us then SM must have been as well.

Anyway back on topic I’d have Mowbray back in a minute.

Collins was significantly more successful than Maloney surely? There was a League Cup final win along the way after all.

I actually thought he was going to lead us to some really dizzy heights judging by his early games. A 6-1 win at Fir Park sticks in the mind along with beating Hearts (1-0 but going on 7-0) in the League Cup. Also thumped the sheep 4-1 in a Scottish Cup replay. The semi-final loss to Dunfermline tho was massively disappointing and IIRC that was when the cracks came to the fore. We flattered to deceive the next season before hitting one of our freefalls and Collins departed pretty sharpish. In his defence I recall him looking for the Brown and Thomson cash to be re-invested in some expensive signings including Naismith from Killie but we went down the low budget route instead.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Michael O'Neill.

[WhileTheChief..]

None of them.

They largely weren't good enough the first time around and we're meant to be trying to get better.

Why does having a Hibs connection make them more qualified for the gig?

It doesn't. It shows a complete lack of imagination and playing to the fans.

[LaMotta]

Revisionism by so many regarding JC. Bottled it when facing a tough run of games and walked away.

All this nonsense about his vision and philosophies being greater than the club is utter tripe.

His signings were atrocious. He lived off the remnants of Mowbray’s team then signed people who were athletes rather than football.

His tenure was probably as disappointing as Maloney’s. Both similar characters with the same principles. If JC was “too ambitious” for us then SM must have been as well.

Anyway back on topic I’d have Mowbray back in a minute.

Claiming Collins' tenure was as disappointing as Maloney's is the height of revisionism.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Revisionism by so many regarding JC. Bottled it when facing a tough run of games and walked away.

All this nonsense about his vision and philosophies being greater than the club is utter tripe.

His signings were atrocious. He lived off the remnants of Mowbray’s team then signed people who were athletes rather than football.

His tenure was probably as disappointing as Maloney’s. Both similar characters with the same principles. If JC was “too ambitious” for us then SM must have been as well.

Anyway back on topic I’d have Mowbray back in a minute.

I don’t disagree with much in here other than his tenure being as disappointing as Maloneys. He won us a cup, for that alone he deserves immense credit.

[Alfiembra]

What is this about? Baffling

If you don’t know who John Doolan is and his connection to Hibs then I suggest you watch the Time for Heroes dvd particularly when the final whistle blew and the camera was on Stubbs.
He was Stubbsy’s assistant and has had 4 years in charge of Accrington Stanley as first team coach.
He loved his time here, him and Taff would be my first choice.

[Jones28]

Revisionism by so many regarding JC. Bottled it when facing a tough run of games and walked away.

All this nonsense about his vision and philosophies being greater than the club is utter tripe.

His signings were atrocious. He lived off the remnants of Mowbray’s team then signed people who were athletes rather than football.

His tenure was probably as disappointing as Maloney’s. Both similar characters with the same principles. If JC was “too ambitious” for us then SM must have been as well.

Anyway back on topic I’d have Mowbray back in a minute.

Utter nonsense. Suggesting a cup winning managers tenure was as disappointing as a failed experiment that lasted 18 games? Come on.

[He's here!]

None of them.

They largely weren't good enough the first time around and we're meant to be trying to get better.

Why does having a Hibs connection make them more qualified for the gig?

It doesn't. It shows a complete lack of imagination and playing to the fans.

What would you say makes a Hibs manager 'good enough'? Apart from the early years of our existence, the post-war years and the early 70s we've rarely strung two good seasons together. Any Hibs manager who wins us a cup therefore goes down as highly successful.

Stubbs ended a 114-year Scottish Cup hoodoo as well as bringing back a feelgood factor to Hibs. Lennon won us the Championship, had us challenging for second spot until almost the last day of the season and had a decent run in Europe (by the standards of any Scottish club outwith Celtic and Rangers). Mowbray took us to consecutive top-four finishes while playing an exciting, youthful brand of football, while Collins (who I forgot to list on the poll) maintained Mowbray's momentum for a while and won us the League Cup. Until we we went on the slide under Jack Ross his league and cup stats were excellent.

Each of those guys has done at least as well, and for the most part significantly better than the majority of Hibs managers. Sure, we aspire to a situation whereby Hibs consistently punch their weight in the top four and win cups more regularly but history shows it only rarely works that way. Without a game-changing amount of cash injected into the club it's hard to see that ever changing.

[TelaStella]

Not true at all. The board backed the manager.



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While that’s not commonly accepted about the Collin’s era, it could be argued you have a point, first time round at least. Michael Stewart going from being bombed to quickly effectively sacked is one example.

Eventually though I don’t think Collins was at all backed. After loosing a core of his inherited 5 star team he knew exactly who his replacements were to be, Naismith being quoted was one. Instead the board took that Hibs route and provided him with peanuts for clowns… clowns he still managed to have top of the league and *unbeaten until December IIRC?* He knew this would only go so far and upon learning about the prospect of a lack of further backing come that January window the rest was indeed history.

*CORRECTION- defo weren’t unbeaten by December*.
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[TelaStella]

Revisionism by so many regarding JC. Bottled it when facing a tough run of games and walked away.

All this nonsense about his vision and philosophies being greater than the club is utter tripe.

His signings were atrocious. He lived off the remnants of Mowbray’s team then signed people who were athletes rather than football.

His tenure was probably as disappointing as Maloney’s. Both similar characters with the same principles. If JC was “too ambitious” for us then SM must have been as well.

Anyway back on topic I’d have Mowbray back in a minute.

Bizarre take.

In our first run of fixtures that season we’d beaten the 3 of Celtic, Hearts and Rangers- the later two away from home. Such form had us top of the league, I don’t believe he’d of bottled the prospect of playing them all again afterwards. How could any of this plus a cup win be on par with Maloney’s time?


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[BigKev]

[QUOTE=TelaStella;6944866]Bizarre take.

In our first run of fixtures that season we’d beaten the 3 of Celtic, Hearts and Rangers- the later two away from home. Such form had us top of the league, I don’t believe he’d of bottled the prospect of playing them all again afterwards. How could any of this plus a cup win be on par with Maloney’s time?


It’s not really. In his first season he inherited Mowbray’s team and duly won the cup with that side.

The following season when he’d brought in his own players regardless of he wanted him or the board never backed him or whatever argument others make but the facts remain that he signed a pile of keek and we were on a run of one win in 11 league games when he walked. Yes, we’d started the season well but the performance levels in the latter part of his tenure were every bit as bad as we saw under Maloney.

It was JC’s signings that started the decline following the cup win but so many are blinkered because he won us a trophy.

[timewilltell]

Personally I think SDG deserves a shot at the role.

Deserves a "shot"? God, thank heaven you are not in charge of recruitment! 🙄

[Ollie Reed]

Hugh Shaw or Jock Stein, please.

Was reading about Neil Martin last night and an interview he did, mostly about Stein.

I know his time was all too brief, but his stats as Hibs manager excelled any other by a good distance.

If only he had stayed a wee bit longer.

[h1bs4life]

Mogga


Liked his style of play but can never forgive for giving Zibbi a 3 year deal just before moving down south

[leith lynx]

Michael O'Neill

[Brown Hibs]

If you don’t know who John Doolan is and his connection to Hibs then I suggest you watch the Time for Heroes dvd particularly when the final whistle blew and the camera was on Stubbs.
He was Stubbsy’s assistant and has had 4 years in charge of Accrington Stanley as first team coach.
He loved his time here, him and Taff would be my first choice.

I know fine we'll who he is. What exactly qualifies him to be Hibs manager though? Cos he celebrated a goal? You have no idea what him and "Taff" contributed. Embarrassing.

[TelaStella]

[QUOTE=TelaStella;6944866]Bizarre take.

In our first run of fixtures that season we’d beaten the 3 of Celtic, Hearts and Rangers- the later two away from home. Such form had us top of the league, I don’t believe he’d of bottled the prospect of playing them all again afterwards. How could any of this plus a cup win be on par with Maloney’s time?


It’s not really. In his first season he inherited Mowbray’s team and duly won the cup with that side.

The following season when he’d brought in his own players regardless of he wanted him or the board never backed him or whatever argument others make but the facts remain that he signed a pile of keek and we were on a run of one win in 11 league games when he walked. Yes, we’d started the season well but the performance levels in the latter part of his tenure were every bit as bad as we saw under Maloney.

It was JC’s signings that started the decline following the cup win but so many are blinkered because he won us a trophy.

So you’d be willing to accept Collin’s had little control over the calibre of player brought in that summer and very well may have done the best he could with said squad? He won 4 of his last 11 league games btw, 2 of which against the old firm. The notion that our decline started with that season is one that has been mentioned a bit before and it’s hard to disagree with you on that but I don’t think the fault of such falls directly with John Collins, neither do I think the later years decline is solely due to that season’s recruitment alone. Actually think Yogi done worse but let’s deal with one mess at a time :D.


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[BigKev]

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So you’d be willing to accept Collin’s had little control over the calibre of player brought in that summer and very well may have done the best he could with said squad? He won 4 of his last 11 league games btw, 2 of which against the old firm. The notion that our decline started with that season is one that has been mentioned a bit before and it’s hard to disagree with you on that but I don’t think the fault of such falls directly with John Collins, neither do I think the later years decline is solely due to that season’s recruitment alone. Actually think Yogi done worse but let’s deal with one mess at a time :D.

He won one out his last 11 league games. We went into free fall after winning at Ibrox. The solitary victory was against Gretna. Welcome for you to double check this.

JC was solely in charge of recruitment. We paid money for O’Brien and Maka. He knew the budget. Asking for £2m to sign Naismith was a pipedream. It’s all very well having ambition but it’s got to be realistic. JC was a huge failure when building, not inheriting, a squad.

My question would be: Were there a better calibre of player available for the money spent than he brought in. I’d say unquestionably so.


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[at last 61]

How many great players for a club have went on to be a great manager at the same club

[Mick O'Rourke]

How many great players for a club have went on to be a great manager at the same club


Jock Stein was a Celtic captain in the 1950s, and of course became their legendary manager.

Also Billy McNeill...... Same club !!!

[Mcbizz1998]

How many great players for a club have went on to be a great manager at the same club

Pep played 263 times for Barcelona. He did ok as manager if I recall correctly.

[CLASS OF 72 -73]

One not on the list John Doolan

Agree.
I also think Stubbs big mistake was he grabbed the first opportunity in the English championship by accepting the Rotherham job ,the one with the poorest budget and bad record in that league. He had no chance .At St Mirren thought he was badly treated.
Many will say never go back but plenty of the suggestions on here are ex Hibs managers.
For me both Stubbs and Doolan get Hibs and have unfinished business.

[Alfiembra]

I know fine we'll who he is. What exactly qualifies him to be Hibs manager though? Cos he celebrated a goal? You have no idea what him and "Taff" contributed. Embarrassing.

Glad to hear you know who John Doolan is. As to your opinion of my post being “embarrassing” was that really necessary? I haven’t had a dig at you and my reply was that your first response suggested it wasn’t a name that was familiar to you.

[jacomo]

[QUOTE=TelaStella;6944866]
It’s not really. In his first season he inherited Mowbray’s team and duly won the cup with that side.

The following season when he’d brought in his own players regardless of he wanted him or the board never backed him or whatever argument others make but the facts remain that he signed a pile of keek and we were on a run of one win in 11 league games when he walked. Yes, we’d started the season well but the performance levels in the latter part of his tenure were every bit as bad as we saw under Maloney.

It was JC’s signings that started the decline following the cup win but so many are blinkered because he won us a trophy.


It seems that if any manager has a bad run, the chorus of ‘gtf’ gets too loud to ignore.

Wanting a manager to see their way through a bad run and get back on track gets you labelled as ‘blinkered’.

I’m depressed by this, and now think Hibs will never have a sustained run of success again. Any manager who wins a trophy with us would be mad not to accept the first good offer that comes their way, because there’s no chance to build something really sustained at this club.

EDIT: the quoted text should be attributed to Big Kev lol