Supporter Myths

[RIP]

How many can we come up with? I’ll start …….

Myth #1. We need a big clear-out in the summer to improve the first team

Reality #1. We’ve had major squad overhauls every year. When was the last time the first team significantly improved?

Myth #2. We need a new manager who will clear out the dead wood and bring in his own signings

Reality #2. Since 2014, the recruitment team at Hibs have scouted, identified and approached prospective signings. They’ve also scouted and interviewed Head Coaches. The job of the Head Coach is to manage the squad he is given. After a season he may earn the right to have an input into signings.

The old ‘Manager signs players’ model was discarded a decade ago.

Myth #3 anyone?

[marinello59]

How many can we come up with? I’ll start …….

Myth #1. We need a big clear-out in the summer to improve the first team

Reality #1. We’ve had major squad overhauls every year. When was the last time the first team significantly improved?

Myth #2. We need a new manager who will clear out the dead wood and bring in his own signings

Reality #2. Since 2014, the recruitment team at Hibs have scouted, identified and approached prospective signings. They’ve also scouted and interviewed Head Coaches. The job of the Head Coach is to manage the squad he is given. After a season he may earn the right to have an input into signings.

The old ‘Manager signs players’ model was discarded a decade ago.

Myth #3 anyone?

Are you defining myths as opinions that are different from yours?

[ehf]

Myth #3 - Melkerson’s sitter against Dundee Utd which would have put uth in the top thix.

[Hiber-nation]

What is the point of this thread?

[vercol36]

Myth #3 - Melkerson’s sitter against Dundee Utd which would have put uth in the top thix.

Thmart arth

[Stuart93]

Myth #3 - Melkerson’s sitter against Dundee Utd which would have put uth in the top thix.

Is that you iron mike

[Mcbizz1998]

Are you defining myths as opinions that are different from yours?

Sounds like it!

[B.H.F.C]

How many can we come up with? I’ll start …….

Myth #1. We need a big clear-out in the summer to improve the first team

Reality #1. We’ve had major squad overhauls every year. When was the last time the first team significantly improved?

Myth #2. We need a new manager who will clear out the dead wood and bring in his own signings

Reality #2. Since 2014, the recruitment team at Hibs have scouted, identified and approached prospective signings. They’ve also scouted and interviewed Head Coaches. The job of the Head Coach is to manage the squad he is given. After a season he may earn the right to have an input into signings.

The old ‘Manager signs players’ model was discarded a decade ago.

Myth #3 anyone?

A good manager will have plenty input on signings. Lennon, for example, didn’t have Ambrose, Marciano, Commons or Holt put forward to him by the recruitment team.

[chrisski33]

None of those are myths for a start. Its a myth you think any of those myths are myths in a first place

[Scouse Hibee]

Roy Keane is interested in becoming manager of Hibs.

[MWHIBBIES]

Only guys like Neil Lennon and Roy Keane can install passion and this mythical winning mentality. If they lose a match its the players fault.

If the soft spoken guy loses a match, he cannot inspire the team.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Myth #4 The best way to improve the club's flagging on field fortunes is to stop going to matches.

Truth ... no it isn't.

[Since452]

Handing back your season ticket if you don't get what you want is a good idea

[ancient hibee]

The best way to build a player’s confidence is to boo him onto the park.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The best way to build a player’s confidence is to boo him onto the park.

:agree:

[RIP]

Are you defining myths as opinions that are different from yours?

No

A Hibs myth is a persistent theory put forward by some supporters that is either factually incorrect or has little evidence on which to base the hypothesis.

Opinions commonly have some factual basis

[Alfred E Newman]

If we want success we need a manager who “gets Hibs”.

[greenlex]

Hibs fans accept mediocrity.

[ancient hibee]

We have to get back to playing with our Hibs flair.

[May21/05/216]

Myth 3
You are a hibs fan

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[RIP]

Myth 3
You are a hibs fan

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I’m not a Hibs fan. I’m a Hibs supporter whose first game at Easter Road was in 1961.

I’m also a grumpy old man who is fed up reading the same nonsense from the same posters about new players we don’t have being better than the ones we have now (when they so rarely are),

And that the new ‘manager’ will be signing a squad full of new players (We only recruit Head Coaches who have to deliver a good season before earning the right to identify new signings).

There has been a European system at Hibs since 2014. Unfortunately now the system is being run by non football men. A recipe for disaster in my opinion

[May21/05/216]

You posed the question about myth 3 ?
So I give my thoughts to your myth 3 that you're a hibs fan / supporter

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[loanheadhibby]

If we want success we need a manager who “gets Hibs”.
What does that mean, and I'm being serious.

[SMAXXA]

Myth 3 it’s all Jack Ross’s fault where we are followed by we are just a toy for Ron Gordon and his son.

Owe not to mention the crowds would come flocking back if we sacked JR and probably going to be the same with Maloney.

And one final one whilst I’m on a roll, fans who don’t knee jerk react and piss and moan after a loss are happy clappers where as those that do don’t accept mediocrity so it’s justified (yet follow hibs a club that’s been largely that for one reason or another for most of our lifetimes)

Well you did ask 😉, myths or moans make of it what you want

[FilipinoHibs]

When you loose a match no matter how narrowly or how much Hibs dominated it, then the club is rotten from top to bottom.

[Since452]

Smoke bombs are really bad and do nothing for the atmosphere.

[Pretty Boy]

Myth - Shaun Maloney was a Head Coach.

Fact - Shaun Maloney was announced, quite notably imo, as the 1st team Manager. A clear change in title from that of his recent predecessors.

[Wakeyhibee]

Thinking its good when Hibs get a large fee for one of our best players.

There will be one but I can't think of one offhand where the money received has got us a better player

[Pretty Boy]

Thinking its good when Hibs get a large fee for one of our best players.

There will be one but I can't think of one offhand where the money received has got us a better player

I don't really have an issue with that in itself.

I think most people know you aren't going to replace like for like. If you sell John Mcginn for £2.5M then you can't sign a £2.5M rated player to replace him because said player wants the wages a player of that value can command. You also have to consider that neither Mcginn or Boyle were £2.5-3M players when we signed them, we developed them, they flourished and moved on.

The alternative in the era of Bosman is letting these guys run down their contracts and walk away for nothing at all. It's wishful thinking to think guys who can command £20K+ a week elsewhere are going to stay here for a fraction of that. If it's difficult replacing them with £3M, how hard will it be with £0.

I'm not sure I'd say it's good when we get big fees for our best players. It's just a necessity really. I'd rather that than have a situation like Hearts have with Souttar with him moving to Glasgow for **** all.

[Wakeyhibee]

I don't really have an issue with that in itself.

I think most people know you aren't going to replace like for like. If you sell John Mcginn for £2.5M then you can't sign a £2.5M rated player to replace him because said player wants the wages a player of that value can command. You also have to consider that neither Mcginn or Boyle were £2.5-3M players when we signed them, we developed them, they flourished and moved on.

The alternative in the era of Bosman is letting these guys run down their contracts and walk away for nothing at all. It's wishful thinking to think guys who can command £20K+ a week elsewhere are going to stay here for a fraction of that. If it's difficult replacing them with £3M, how hard will it be with £0.

I'm not sure I'd say it's good when we get big fees for our best players. It's just a necessity really. I'd rather that than have a situation like Hearts have with Souttar with him moving to Glasgow for **** all.

That unfortunately is where Scottish football is. I think if teams (outside the OF who do better) in Scotland got fair value then I could be persuaded it's a good thing.

[RIP]

Myth - Shaun Maloney was a Head Coach.

Fact - Shaun Maloney was announced, quite notably imo, as the 1st team Manager. A clear change in title from that of his recent predecessors.

With apparently the same responsibilities as all previous incumbents of the Head Coach role since Alan Stubbs? And unlike Lennon and Ross, insufficient time in that role to have an input into recruitment?

Was Gary Caldwell ever an Assistant Manager?

Maybe these job titles were requested or negotiated by Shaun, who knows? Maybe as it was his first big step up?

But given the role taken on by Ian Gordon, it doesn’t appear that the club have moved away from the coaching model just yet.

[Keith_M]

My Mythes is a Hibs Supporters, if that helps.

[worcesterhibby]

I don't really have an issue with that in itself.

I think most people know you aren't going to replace like for like. If you sell John Mcginn for £2.5M then you can't sign a £2.5M rated player to replace him because said player wants the wages a player of that value can command. You also have to consider that neither Mcginn or Boyle were £2.5-3M players when we signed them, we developed them, they flourished and moved on.

The alternative in the era of Bosman is letting these guys run down their contracts and walk away for nothing at all. It's wishful thinking to think guys who can command £20K+ a week elsewhere are going to stay here for a fraction of that. If it's difficult replacing them with £3M, how hard will it be with £0.

I'm not sure I'd say it's good when we get big fees for our best players. It's just a necessity really. I'd rather that than have a situation like Hearts have with Souttar with him moving to Glasgow for **** all.

Just spent about 30 minutes on Hibs net for the first time in a week. This is the first, articulate, reasoned, intelligent post I have read. Thank you for restoring my faith in the power of reason Pretty Boy !

[NAE NOOKIE]

I don't really have an issue with that in itself.

I think most people know you aren't going to replace like for like. If you sell John Mcginn for £2.5M then you can't sign a £2.5M rated player to replace him because said player wants the wages a player of that value can command. You also have to consider that neither Mcginn or Boyle were £2.5-3M players when we signed them, we developed them, they flourished and moved on.

The alternative in the era of Bosman is letting these guys run down their contracts and walk away for nothing at all. It's wishful thinking to think guys who can command £20K+ a week elsewhere are going to stay here for a fraction of that. If it's difficult replacing them with £3M, how hard will it be with £0.

I'm not sure I'd say it's good when we get big fees for our best players. It's just a necessity really. I'd rather that than have a situation like Hearts have with Souttar with him moving to Glasgow for **** all.

The world we and 90% of the worlds football clubs live in and it's a wee bit strange that any football fan should need it pointed out to them as you have done so succinctly here.

£1,000,000 players want 5K a week minimum .... £2,000,000 players want £10K a week .... etc, etc, etc. In other words, there's no point spending 2 million of the Martin Boyle money on a replacement we couldn't afford to pay and lets face it, even that kind of money guarantees nothing, at one point someone was allegedly willing to pay a million quid for James Scott.