Not good Enough

[dastardly8]

Not a good showing today again , new manager whoever it will be will have some rebuilding to do to get us back to looking something like a decent team

[Nakedmanoncrack]

We'll be alright once the 'big players' come back some deluded fools were saying not so long ago, meaning dross like Joe f***kin Newell! A crap team, with crap players, simple as that.

[Unseen work]

I’m just so deflated with us right now.

The manager that comes in has a massive job and I really hope he pushes the recruitment team and doesn’t accept a couple of youngsters.

[Tambo]

18 shots 0 on target

[inglisavhibs]

Not a good showing today again , new manager whoever it will be will have some rebuilding to do to get us back to looking something like a decent team
We never just found out that today. Our forward play has been abysmal all season. The forward signings have been pretty awful.

[dastardly8]

We never just found out that today. Our forward play has been abysmal all season. The forward signings have been pretty awful.
I honestly don’t think even having Nisbet and Doidge available would make a difference we are just very mediocre at best team seems very disjointed

[JohnM1875]

18 shots 0 on target

This is exactly it. Honestly thought we moved the ball about well enough today and created chances. If you don't have goal scorers in your team you're never going to score goals. Huge window coming up in the summer and we need at least two class strikers.

[Largshibby]

18 shots 0 on target

We dominated the game but at half time I said this has a one nil defeat written all over it. The predictability of it all is very depressing. Respect to everyone who paid to witness that.

[Scotty Leither]

I’m just so deflated with us right now.

The manager that comes in has a massive job and I really hope he pushes the recruitment team and doesn’t accept a couple of youngsters.

I'd be really intrigued to get our Head of Recruitment's take on what our recruitment "model" is?

[Allant1981]

Story of our season, have a fair bit of the ball but no end product, was ludicrous not bringing in a striker or 2 in january, more so with boyle going

[Crab apple]

Story of our season, have a fair bit of the ball but no end product, was ludicrous not bringing in a striker or 2 in january, more so with boyle going

Absolutely. We actually needed a new striker last summer window. Nothing short of neglience.

[Leith Green]

As someone mentioned in previous post 18 shots and none on target is pathetic, what worries me more is the amount of good balls into the box or across the goal with nobody attacking them.. was actually amazed today at how many good balls we wasted. If you need to create 20 odd chances to score a goal or not score as was the case and on the flip side , you concede from the one bit of good play that the opposition can muster then we really are in a bad way on the whole. We desperately need a complete clear out of this squad of players , 4 or 5 id really want to keep, the rest we need to improve on. Doig , porteous , clarke , cadden , Henderson i want us to keep , the others are either needing moved on , or haven’t seen enough of to decide. Doidge , nisbett, stevenson id keep as well ..

[Unseen work]

I'd be really intrigued to get our Head of Recruitment's take on what our recruitment "model" is?

I think they’ve very much got the ‘Brentford model’ in their minds.

Buy youngsters and sell them for a big profit.

The idea in itself is all well and fine but you also need 25+ year olds in their prime.

You look at Melkersen and Jasper today, two very good youngsters with potential but they need help. They’ll be inconsistent and we need to be able to take them out when that’s the case.

[davym7062]

was horrible to watch, our goalie even dived the wrong way at the goal

[NAE NOOKIE]

It cant be denied at this point that we need a major overhaul. As another poster said it's all well and good signing promising youngsters, but without very good seasoned pros signed along with them to provide a solid backbone they wont progress. If the idea is to make better players of these youngsters and sell them at a huge profit it's a non starter if you don't put them in a team that can actually do that.

No more promising youngsters or 10th choice loan players from the EFL what we need in the summer is 4 or 5 proven players at this level.

[wookie70]

Absolutely. We actually needed a new striker last summer window. Nothing short of neglience. I thought we needed another striker when Doidge and Nisbet were both fit and Boyle was still here. It was beyond belief we never went for one in the summer or winter windows. Not bringing one in during the last window should have been a sacking offence

[The Wireless]

I think they’ve very much got the ‘Brentford model’ in their minds.

Buy youngsters and sell them for a big profit.

The idea in itself is all well and fine but you also need 25+ year olds in their prime.

You look at Melkersen and Jasper today, two very good youngsters with potential but they need help. They’ll be inconsistent and we need to be able to take them out when that’s the case.

The Brentford model? Oh my sides.. I am off to my bed.. however before I go do you think Erickson might fancy a wee game for us.

[Is It On....]

I think they’ve very much got the ‘Brentford model’ in their minds.

Buy youngsters and sell them for a big profit.

The idea in itself is all well and fine but you also need 25+ year olds in their prime.

You look at Melkersen and Jasper today, two very good youngsters with potential but they need help. They’ll be inconsistent and we need to be able to take them out when that’s the case.

Brentford have consistently bought undervalued players that improved the team and then sold them at a much higher price before reinvesting the money in better players that improved the team again. This has enabled them to run at a profit since Matthew Benham took ownership of the club and rise through the leagues whilst other "bigger clubs" have floundered.

[Baader]

The Brentford model? Oh my sides.. I am off to my bed.. however before I go do you think Erickson might fancy a wee game for us.

Poster is talking about the 'moneyball' model Brentford adopted to get them into the Premier League though. Seems to have paid off for them. Is it applicable to Hibs under current ownership with our resources? Very doubtful. But I think that's probably what they are looking to do. Worrying on the evidence so far...

[Is It On....]

Poster is talking about the 'moneyball' model Brentford adopted to get them into the Premier League though. Seems to have paid off for them. Is it applicable to Hibs under current ownership with our resources? Very doubtful. But I think that's probably what they are looking to do. Worrying on the evidence so far...

Trying to replicate the "Brentford" model of player recruitment has my full support. However, I am pretty sure that Matthew Benham didn't appoint a relative with no experience to head up his Player Recruitment and Data Analysis department.

[CB Hibs 68]

Ron and his boy are entirely responsible for the shambles that are Hibs.Does anyone actually think that the next managerial appointment will take the club forward?.Having watched Hibs for over fifty years Apart from the Grey Duff debacle I have not been so worried about the direction or lack of at Easter Rd ever.Melodramatic no just the way I see it.

[Baader]

Trying to replicate the "Brentford" model of player recruitment has my full support. However, I am pretty sure that Matthew Benham didn't appoint a relative with no experience to head up his Player Recruitment and Data Analysis department.

100%. I'm not so sure about the model as it relies on spending to accumulate (something we are not exactly renowned for) but more importantly needs people who are experts in stats, analysis, scouting and recruiting potential. Ron's son, I'd wager, doesn't cut it. Increasingly getting concerned about the direction and running of our club.

[Maguire]

Brentford model? i'm confused, swear we were told we would be striving to be more like Atletico Madrid crossed with Sevilla? All sounds like fairytail football manager pish.

Get some real football people into the club and let the American businessman worry about sponsors, canteens and excel spreadsheets. Fed up. Would take martindale in a heartbeat. Look at what clubs like Livi and Ross County can achieve on what i can only assume a fraction of our budget...Depressing stuff, we really are a mess right now!

[Torto7]

Brentford model? i'm confused, swear we were told we would be striving to be more like Atletico Madrid crossed with Sevilla? All sounds like fairytail football manager pish.

Get some real football people into the club and let the American businessman worry about sponsors, canteens and excel spreadsheets. Fed up. Would take martindale in a heartbeat. Look at what clubs like Livi and Ross County can achieve on what i can only assume a fraction of our budget...Depressing stuff, we really are a mess right now!

Xenophobic and in favour of appointing a guy with a criminal record who plays honking football. Classy.

[Maguire]

Xenophobic and in favour of appointing a guy with a criminal record who plays honking football. Classy.

Plays honking football but they've beaten us the last 3 times we'vev played them and sit above us in the league...But i guess we play sexy possesion football without winning or scoring goals so that's fine. And does the fact he's got a criminal record from about 15 years ago mean he shouldn't have the opportunity to work again? Can people not rehabilitate?

[The Captain....]

If you watched us and had never seen a football match before you'd have no clue that the object of the game is to score a goal. Our inability to create chances and hit the target is criminal.

This season has been one of the most frustrating and irritating I can remember. The scattergun approach to decision making and the frankly laughable recruitment is very worrying.

I dread watching us now..it really is a chore watching this untalented bunch go thru the motions every week.

I fear for us next season.




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[Onion]

If you watched us and had never seen a football match before you'd have no clue that the object of the game is to score a goal. Our inability to create chances and hit the target is criminal.

This season has been one of the most frustrating and irritating I can remember. The scattergun approach to decision making and the frankly laughable recruitment is very worrying.

I dread watching us now..it really is a chore watching this untalented bunch go thru the motions every week.

I fear for us next season.

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My worry is the same people who have cocked up this season (off field) are very same that will be trying to fix the problems. Not sure Ron Gordon or his team know what the hell they're doing.

[One Day]

We dominated the game but at half time I said this has a one nil defeat written all over it. The predictability of it all is very depressing. Respect to everyone who paid to witness that.

I said the same coming up to half time. it like a scripts been written

[J-C]

Couldn't replace Boyle in the window, an unfit Doidge nowhere near the level needed after his injury, a misfiring Nisbet now out injured and with absolute zero guile or craft coming from the midfield and the only player with those skills now deemed not good enough. Add in the fact we have a brutal midfield who seem to do very little between them and it's plain to see just how poor this squad is, whoever comes in has a big job on their hands, especially getting rid of any players with extended contracts.

[Bobby's Cinema]

When I listened I thought Ron had confirmed his son was a glorified admin worker/ facilitator and does not identify targets and make decisions solely or directly on players. Or were my ears lying to me.

We are where we are now, on a dreary sleepwalk to the end of the season seeing out time. But I can't be arsed bashing the club at every opportunity. Its to easy. Not going to get hung up on the bottom 6 results that are ultimately pointless.

Ready to get behind the new manager and the club again when that happens.

[LeithMike]

I think they’ve very much got the ‘Brentford model’ in their minds.

Buy youngsters and sell them for a big profit.

The idea in itself is all well and fine but you also need 25+ year olds in their prime.

You look at Melkersen and Jasper today, two very good youngsters with potential but they need help. They’ll be inconsistent and we need to be able to take them out when that’s the case.That's really worrying for me if true. It looks like we are back to the old days of bringing a mass of players in and hoping to strike it lucky and sell some on with the prinary objective of making money and growing the value of the club.

Players are viewed as commodities which engenders no real loyalty to the club which is evident when time gets tough and there is constant turnover in the playing staff.

For a while we looked to have it right when we were signing young Scottish players who fitted the club and growing their connection to it.

If this model goes wrong and money is wasted do we know where it is coming from? Is RG taking the hit or is he racking up debt on the part of the club? We all laughed at Hearts doing this but are we making sure we have enough information to hold our owners to account?

We also seem to have a bunch of jokers in charge so the propsects of succeeding look slim.


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[J-C]

When I listened I thought Ron had confirmed his son was a glorified admin worker/ facilitator and does not identify targets and make decisions solely or directly on players. Or were my ears lying to me.

We are where we are now, on a dreary sleepwalk to the end of the season seeing out time. But I can't be arsed bashing the club at every opportunity. Its to easy. Not going to get hung up on the bottom 6 results that are ultimately pointless.

Ready to get behind the new manager and the club again when that happens.


This is what I heard too, said Ian was a co-ordinator of around 6 people, these will be analysts/scouts who'll bring all the data to him, who then takes it to the manager and Kensell, who then decide who to try and bring in.

[Scotty Leither]

Surely any manager coming in after assessing what he's got to work with then tells the Board who he wants and they then try and cut the deal?

We seem to have it upside down and back to front - the club don't appear to like the scrutiny that comes with the gig either.

[Jones28]

This is what I heard too, said Ian was a co-ordinator of around 6 people, these will be analysts/scouts who'll bring all the data to him, who then takes it to the manager and Kensell, who then decide who to try and bring in.

Yepp. He’s not directly involved in the identification of players is my understanding - though he may well be responsible for the change in direction re signings.

[Brightside]

Yepp. He’s not directly involved in the identification of players is my understanding - though he may well be responsible for the change in direction re signings.

They use an online database to scout players for positions. Then in some cases send out scouts to watch them and report (including 1st team players who are doing it as part of their badges) Ian is the head of that Department. It 100% should be run by a director or football. Not the owners son. It’s all very Romanov now.

I want a director of Football working with a head coach on our recruitment strategy.

[blackpoolhibs]

Once again our midfield created the square root of nowt as usual, and our star midfielder Joe Newell was again posted missing, but im sure people will be on in a minute to tell me just how good he is. Can anyone tell me when he's going to show us how good he actually is?

[superfurryhibby]

They use an online database to scout players for positions. Then in some cases send out scouts to watch them and report (including 1st team players who are doing it as part of their badges) Ian is the head of that Department. It 100% should be run by a director or football. Not the owners son. It’s all very Romanov now.

I want a director of Football working with a head coach on our recruitment strategy.

I assume Ian Gordon will be getting paid a hefty salary for his “ expertise”.

It’s rank rotten nepotism.

[erin go bragh]

Another game and another zero shots on target
Not one save made by their keeper 😩 Horrific to watch
Get some of the young strikers on that’s banging the goals in , they can’t do any worse

[GreenCastle]

Surely any manager coming in after assessing what he's got to work with then tells the Board who he wants and they then try and cut the deal?

We seem to have it upside down and back to front - the club don't appear to like the scrutiny that comes with the gig either.

I hope the interview process includes a question about how we have been this season and what changes are needed.

Not a few months to look at players in pre-season etc.

A good manager will have done his homework. The hard part is personalities but I’m sure again a good manager can seek advice before taking the job.

[dastardly8]

Another game and another zero shots on target
Not one save made by their keeper 😩 Horrific to watch
Get some of the young strikers on that’s banging the goals in , they can’t do any worse The sad factor is that was a rookie keeper for Livi hadn’t played before , we should have been playing on that fact and hassling him at corners , peppering shots at him etc but didn’t register one on target pathetic

[Fuzzywuzzy]

https://www.facebook.com/CoachFH/videos/3223530154570090/?app=fbl

I think this is what we were meant to have been doing!!😂

[Smartie]

I assume Ian Gordon will be getting paid a hefty salary for his “ expertise”.

It’s rank rotten nepotism.

In order to appear to be doing a good job, he might need daddy to loosen the purse strings for players. In which case we might see the nepotism prove handy for us.

Ian Gordon is in danger of becoming a scapegoat here. It’s unlikely he’s choosing who gets to join Hibs and his skillset might be ideally suited to his job. We just don’t know.

FWIW - I think we’re in the mess we’re in because of a simple strategic mistake last summer. We counted on getting decent money for one of Doig, Porteous or Nisbet. We had targets and a budget in place based on this. The transfer market last summer was a bit flat and no suitable offer materialised. We were left with these players and a reduced budget for reinforcements, meaning we were scrambling around at the last minute looking for cut price players and we struggled. Normally keeping your best players would be a good thing but in our case those 3 have been different shades of underwhelming and for different reasons this season.

That then led to further dodgy decision making as Mathie, then Ross, then Maloney were punted. We signed a few decent players in January but failed to do the business we really needed to and then got clobbered by injuries into the bargain.