Allan Delferrière

[California-Hibs]

So, was just on Instagram and I saw Jasper shared a story of him and Allan Delferriere at training and I paused and thought wait, whos that? So a quick Google showed we signed him on deadline day and on a 2.5 year deal. No idea how but this completely escaped me.

Now, he's 20, but from February 27th he's been on our bench in every single game (and I can't believe I didn't even bother thinking whos that? 🙈). I think I've just thought he was just some 18 year old from our youth ranks or something. He's not played a single minute for us though.

Looking into the guy a bit further tonight and he seems like he's very versatile and can plan defensive midfield aswel as Centre Half, and is very comfortable with the ball at his feet (2 positions where it wouldn't hurt trying a new option!).
I see the guy has 5 first team appearances for Standard Liège and 19 appearances in the Dutch 1st division on loan.

Anyone else have an opinion on this guy? Time to turn all these sub appearances into some minutes on the pitch now that we can basically play out the rest of the season with freedom?...

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[offshorehibby]

https://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/article/talented-youngster-allan-delferri%C3%A8re-joins

He was one of the many youngsters pulled in to join the Development team for next season. I think he has made the bench so much because of all our defensive injuries and suspensions.

[OldEast]

I'd love to see him given the chance to show what he can do and the next 4 games would be the ideal opportunity. Much rather see him than Rocky.

[Dmas]

I'd love to see him given the chance to show what he can do and the next 4 games would be the ideal opportunity. Much rather see him than Rocky.

I have no means of judging the guys ability having never seen him play however he looks pretty small when I’ve saw him in warm ups, having seen the abuse Hanlon gets for being bullied I’d be worried for him at centre half

[MWHIBBIES]

Should be starting the last 4, along with dabrowski, melkersen, Hauge, Henderson, muller. Nothing to be learned by playing McGinn, Scott etc.

[cameronw-hfc]

Heard he's rapid

[Since452]

Should be starting the last 4, along with dabrowski, melkersen, Hauge, Henderson, muller. Nothing to be learned by playing McGinn, Scott etc.

Agree. Only when we're mathematically safe though.

[sauzeelegod]

Should be starting the last 4, along with dabrowski, melkersen, Hauge, Henderson, muller. Nothing to be learned by playing McGinn, Scott etc.

Agreed.
I’d like to see Hauge get more game time

[Dmas]

Should be starting the last 4, along with dabrowski, melkersen, Hauge, Henderson, muller. Nothing to be learned by playing McGinn, Scott etc.

Agree, I’d like to see Connor Young and Oscar Macintyre as well both have had good season with young team be a big boost to them getting a bit first team involvement as reward

[BILLYHIBS]

Would love to see all of these young guys get a chance during any dead rubbers but remember points mean prizes and we have two big screens to pay for

Onwards and upwards

[Ronniekirk]

Would love to see all of these young guys get a chance during any dead rubbers but remember points mean prizes and we have two big screens to pay for

Onwards and upwards

The young players are having to play five games in11 days They have a league to try and win , so there will be no
Opportunity to give any of them game time


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[easty]

I’d like to see some young players playing for the first team too, but if David Gray has any aspirations of getting the job full time, or if he’s even looking to get his name out there for a lower league gig, then he’ll be looking to put out his strongest team available. Wouldn’t he?

[marinello59]

The young players are having to play five games in11 days They have a league to try and win , so there will be no
Opportunity to give any of them game time


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Surely the main purpose of their league is to develop players, not to win titles. I’d rather see them given a chance in the first team.

[B.H.F.C]

I’d like to see some young players playing for the first team too, but if David Gray has any aspirations of getting the job full time, or if he’s even looking to get his name out there for a lower league gig, then he’ll be looking to put out his strongest team available. Wouldn’t he?

He will but as a paying supporter it’s going to be bloody boring. Can’t see many of the games being too different to last week. Think it’ll see us pick up a few points which I suppose is the name of the game but at this stage of the season it would be good to get a look at some of the young lads if they’re going to be part of the squad next season. Might just bring a bit of life to things.

[cameronw-hfc]

Surely the main purpose of their league is to develop players, not to win titles. I’d rather see them given a chance in the first team.

It is but at the same time they've put the work in for their own season, we're not desperate for them to play atm, so I think itd be fair to let them have a crack at winning a trophy.

[oneone73]

It is but at the same time they've put the work in for their own season, we're not desperate for them to play atm, so I think itd be fair to let them have a crack at winning a trophy.

They would also qualify for Europe, which would be great for their development.

[OldEast]

The young players are having to play five games in11 days They have a league to try and win , so there will be no
Opportunity to give any of them game time


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Isn't it the under 18's who can win their league? Is Delferriere/Hauge in that side?

[green day]

The young players are having to play five games in11 days They have a league to try and win , so there will be no
Opportunity to give any of them game time


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Is there not a chance that some of those matches will not be played?

IIRC Hibs have a big lead and if results go our way there could be a few dead rubbers.

Or have I got that wrong?

[Cat Stanton]

Agree. Only when we're mathematically safe though.

Arithmetically really...

(Sorry)

[nonshinyfinish]

Arithmetically really...

(Sorry)

Arithmetic is a branch of mathematics, so 'mathematically safe' is also correct. 'Arithmetically safe' is just more specific.

[Alfred E Newman]

Arithmetic is a branch of mathematics, so 'mathematically safe' is also correct. 'Arithmetically safe' is just more specific.

In football speak mathematically is correct.
At the end of the day it falls into the same bracket as early doors and potential banana skins.

[Stevie Reid]

We’ve had young teams win leagues and cups before - did the 2009 team not win the double? How many of them made it?

Nice for them to win medals but going up against experienced pros who have played the game for years - instead of playing within their own age group - is the only way they’ll truly develop.

Was it not an early injury in a bottom six game v Aberdeen that gave Scott Brown his shot at 17? No harm in giving these guys a shot.

[eastterrace]

Would love to see all of these young guys get a chance during any dead rubbers but remember points mean prizes and we have two big screens to pay for

Onwards and upwardssure big screens are paid for or do we have a direct debit with radio rentals for them.😂

[J-C]

Came with good credentials, already played at a very decent level, surprised he's not had game time already, maybe due to our predicament not really the time to throw him on.

[flash]

Would love to see all of these young guys get a chance during any dead rubbers but remember points mean prizes and we have two big screens to pay for

Onwards and upwards

The utter pointlessness of vacuous drivel like this.

[MWHIBBIES]

Agree. Only when we're mathematically safe though.

We're safe as houses. Play the kids.

[Pytheas]

The utter pointlessness of vacuous drivel like this.

Weirdly angry response?

He's right though, 300k difference in prize money between 7th and 8th. Thats a years wage for a top earner or a transfer fee for an important player.

Still something to play for this season.

[mixumatosis]

Surely the main purpose of their league is to develop players, not to win titles. I’d rather see them given a chance in the first team.

Learning how to win things is important. Bradley Wiggins talks about how winning Parish-Nice, Romandie and the Dauphiné in 2012 meant that by the time he turned up at the tour, he was conditioned to expect to win.

That's a guy with a drawer full of Olympic medals saying that. Imagine how much better prepared a young kid playing in his first cup final is going to feel if he's had the experience of winning a league decider the year before, as opposed to getting 45 mins away at Dundee in a dead rubber.

[superfurryhibby]

We’ve had young teams win leagues and cups before - did the 2009 team not win the double? How many of them made it?

Nice for them to win medals but going up against experienced pros who have played the game for years - instead of playing within their own age group - is the only way they’ll truly develop.

Was it not an early injury in a bottom six game v Aberdeen that gave Scott Brown his shot at 17? No harm in giving these guys a shot.

He's 20 and has played top flight football in leagues that are comparable or better than ours? I would say first team football for someone at his age is fairly crucial to his development.

[Pretty Boy]

We’ve had young teams win leagues and cups before - did the 2009 team not win the double? How many of them made it?

Nice for them to win medals but going up against experienced pros who have played the game for years - instead of playing within their own age group - is the only way they’ll truly develop.

Was it not an early injury in a bottom six game v Aberdeen that gave Scott Brown his shot at 17? No harm in giving these guys a shot.

My dad coaches a development side at Lowland League level who are competing for the league and cups. They play on Friday evenings and quite often they will be told to leave players out as they are required for the 1st team.

It's just one of those things. Ultimately leagues and cups mean nothing at that level, it's all about development (I suppose the clues in the name). Whilst it might be disappointing for the side as a whole I bet the individuals would much rather start a couple of 1st team games than win the U18 or whatever league.

[flash]

Weirdly angry response?

He's right though, 300k difference in prize money between 7th and 8th. Thats a years wage for a top earner or a transfer fee for an important player.

Still something to play for this season.

There is but that post was just a cheap shot at the owner.

[overdrive]

Isn't it the under 18's who can win their league? Is Delferriere/Hauge in that side?

No, they were signed for the Development Team (the one the club kept saying was not a B Team, but Maloney kept calling the B Team).

The reference to the U18 team came from a suggestion that in addition to these guys we should be playing players from the U18 in the first team.

Whilst I agree with the point made that it should be about players' development rather than winning trophies, and therefore get them in the first team, I think the days of playing young players to give them development time towards the end of the season are over.

You get more money every league place. The club won't want to slip to 8th/9th/10th so won't risk losing out on prize money by playing these young boys and potentially getting beat every game between now and the end of the season. Maybe the final game of the season if nobody can catch us in 7th. I fully realise there is a chance we might lose every game playing the senior squad of serial losers but the club won't see it that way.

[OldEast]

No, they were signed for the Development Team (the one the club kept saying was not a B Team, but Maloney kept calling the B Team).

The reference to the U18 team came from a suggestion that in addition to these guys we should be playing players from the U18 in the first team.

Whilst I agree with the point made that it should be about players' development rather than winning trophies, and therefore get them in the first team, I think the days of playing young players to give them development time towards the end of the season are over.

You get more money every league place. The club won't want to slip to 8th/9th/10th so won't risk losing out on prize money by playing these young boys and potentially getting beat every game between now and the end of the season. Maybe the final game of the season if nobody can catch us in 7th. I fully realise there is a chance we might lose every game playing the senior squad of serial losers but the club won't see it that way.

I suppose your last sentence sums it up perfectly.

[Stevie Reid]

He's 20 and has played top flight football in leagues that are comparable or better than ours? I would say first team football for someone at his age is fairly crucial to his development.

Probably could have made it clearer, but I was making a general point about giving development players game time, rather than the player that the thread started off about.

[Eyrie]

My dad coaches a development side at Lowland League level who are competing for the league and cups. They play on Friday evenings and quite often they will be told to leave players out as they are required for the 1st team.

It's just one of those things. Ultimately leagues and cups mean nothing at that level, it's all about development (I suppose the clues in the name). Whilst it might be disappointing for the side as a whole I bet the individuals would much rather start a couple of 1st team games than win the U18 or whatever league.

The counter point is how many of those kids will go on to win anything else in the game? For most, a development league title is surely a tangible achievement that is better than a few games for the first team when they look back on their career.

From the point of view of their clubs, I can understand the emphasis on bringing through the 2 or 3 players who will play regularly for the first team.

[Stevie Reid]

The counter point is how many of those kids will go on to win anything else in the game? For most, a development league title is surely a tangible achievement that is better than a few games for the first team when they look back on their career.

From the point of view of their clubs, I can understand the emphasis on bringing through the 2 or 3 players who will play regularly for the first team.

I obviously can’t speak for the players but first team football is the primary goal of their football career. It’s surely more important than anything else. Can imagine that these lads would have their fair share of medals from their youth careers in any case.

Experience of first team football and possibly a win bonus would go down very well I would imagine.

[The Modfather]

No, they were signed for the Development Team (the one the club kept saying was not a B Team, but Maloney kept calling the B Team).

The reference to the U18 team came from a suggestion that in addition to these guys we should be playing players from the U18 in the first team.

Whilst I agree with the point made that it should be about players' development rather than winning trophies, and therefore get them in the first team, I think the days of playing young players to give them development time towards the end of the season are over.

You get more money every league place. The club won't want to slip to 8th/9th/10th so won't risk losing out on prize money by playing these young boys and potentially getting beat every game between now and the end of the season. Maybe the final game of the season if nobody can catch us in 7th. I fully realise there is a chance we might lose every game playing the senior squad of serial losers but the club won't see it that way.

There’s never going to be a perfect time to promote youngsters if it’s not in dead rubbers in the bottom 6. It wasn’t the time to promote them in the championship as we had to get out of the league, it wasn’t the time when we were pushing for 3rd & 4th under Lennon and Ross and now it’s not the time in the bottom 6 as we’ve got the prize money for finishing 7th to aim for.

Fundamentally I think Hibs need to decide whether we want to promote within and give youth a chance as an ethos. Or we’re as well spending less on the youth academy and putting that money into the first team transfer budget.

I’d love Hibs to be brave and give youth their chance, like with this highly rated crop we have, without waiting for the perfect time to do so.

[Onceinawhile]

Is there not a chance that some of those matches will not be played?

IIRC Hibs have a big lead and if results go our way there could be a few dead rubbers.

Or have I got that wrong?

We're second by a point or so, but have about 6 games in hand.

[RyeSloan]

There’s never going to be a perfect time to promote youngsters if it’s not in dead rubbers in the bottom 6. It wasn’t the time to promote them in the championship as we had to get out of the league, it wasn’t the time when we were pushing for 3rd & 4th under Lennon and Ross and now it’s not the time in the bottom 6 as we’ve got the prize money for finishing 7th to aim for.

Fundamentally I think Hibs need to decide whether we want to promote within and give youth a chance as an ethos. Or we’re as well spending less on the youth academy and putting that money into the first team transfer budget.

I’d love Hibs to be brave and give youth their chance, like with this highly rated crop we have, without waiting for the perfect time to do so.

On the flip side the perfect time is when they are ready to be promoted.

Just firing in a few youngsters for 2-3 games at the end of the season for the sake of it will achieve the square root of zero.

The Dev Team has been set up to specifically address the lack of path into the first team from the U18’s…I assume when they have done so they have spent a lot of time thinking on how they will judge when a player is ready to go from Dev to 1st team.

There may well be an opportunity to test that measure in the next few games but wholesale throwing in 5-6 inexperienced players into the first team all at the same time doesn’t appear to be the right approach to me.

[overdrive]

There’s never going to be a perfect time to promote youngsters if it’s not in dead rubbers in the bottom 6. It wasn’t the time to promote them in the championship as we had to get out of the league, it wasn’t the time when we were pushing for 3rd & 4th under Lennon and Ross and now it’s not the time in the bottom 6 as we’ve got the prize money for finishing 7th to aim for.

Fundamentally I think Hibs need to decide whether we want to promote within and give youth a chance as an ethos. Or we’re as well spending less on the youth academy and putting that money into the first team transfer budget.

I’d love Hibs to be brave and give youth their chance, like with this highly rated crop we have, without waiting for the perfect time to do so.

Oh, I agree. I just can't see the club doing it. I honestly think the only pathways into the first team for these players will be due to mass injury/suspension or having a great pre-season (e.g. what happened with Doig)

[The Modfather]

On the flip side the perfect time is when they are ready to be promoted.

Just firing in a few youngsters for 2-3 games at the end of the season for the sake of it will achieve the square root of zero.

The Dev Team has been set up to specifically address the lack of path into the first team from the U18’s…I assume when they have done so they have spent a lot of time thinking on how they will judge when a player is ready to go from Dev to 1st team.

There may well be an opportunity to test that measure in the next few games but wholesale throwing in 5-6 inexperienced players into the first team all at the same time doesn’t appear to be the right approach to me.

I wouldn’t advocate throwing 5 or 6 in at the same time. However we’ve had an injury crisis all season, particularly up front. Is that not the time to promote within than either persist with square pegs in round holes or players who have no future.

Aberdeen, Celtc, St Mirren and Dundee Utd have all gave minutes to 16 and 17 year olds this season. Are our u18s simply not as good or ready as those players? Or do we have an issue as a club for not being brave enough to promote from within? The U18s look like the best team in the league, how much of that is down to the fact some of the better players at other teams are in the first team squads? I remember we had one of the worst U18 teams in the league under the golden generation, but the best crop of youngsters in the country playing in the first team.

[BILLYHIBS]

The utter pointlessness of vacuous drivel like this.

Your point is caller?

Duh!

Go figure Pythagaros

The last time I looked we were a business not a charity

Finishing seventh is going to be £100000’s better than finishing 10th 11th or 12th

The higher the better

I expect the big screens to pay for themselves through advertising

Thank god you are not running our great club Mr Scattercash

[marinello59]

sure big screens are paid for or do we have a direct debit with radio rentals for them.😂

Telebank. :agree:
You can't find a spare 50 pence piece in Edinburgh these days, Ron has the lot.

[marinello59]

It is but at the same time they've put the work in for their own season, we're not desperate for them to play atm, so I think itd be fair to let them have a crack at winning a trophy.

I can sympathise with that view point but I'd still rather see them in the first team.

[JimBHibees]

I’d like to see some young players playing for the first team too, but if David Gray has any aspirations of getting the job full time, or if he’s even looking to get his name out there for a lower league gig, then he’ll be looking to put out his strongest team available. Wouldn’t he?

Makes sense that he would and probably rightly so from his perspective

[brog]

Oh, I agree. I just can't see the club doing it. I honestly think the only pathways into the first team for these players will be due to mass injury/suspension or having a great pre-season (e.g. what happened with Doig)

There's also physical maturity and experience to be taken into consideration. Josh had been out on loan at Queens Park and he developed into quite the strapping lad he is now. Brydon, who is on loan just now may possibly follow in Josh's footsteps. Hopefully some of the U18s may also follow on but its a huge step up from playing against other youngsters.

[RyeSloan]

I wouldn’t advocate throwing 5 or 6 in at the same time. However we’ve had an injury crisis all season, particularly up front. Is that not the time to promote within than either persist with square pegs in round holes or players who have no future.

Aberdeen, Celtc, St Mirren and Dundee Utd have all gave minutes to 16 and 17 year olds this season. Are our u18s simply not as good or ready as those players? Or do we have an issue as a club for not being brave enough to promote from within? The U18s look like the best team in the league, how much of that is down to the fact some of the better players at other teams are in the first team squads? I remember we had one of the worst U18 teams in the league under the golden generation, but the best crop of youngsters in the country playing in the first team.

Changing the manager won’t have helped here…nor our rotten run of results.

But as I said the club have been quite clear they know we have had a problem developing the promising youngsters into fully fledged first team players. It’s not as if they are saying they haven’t identified that as an issue or that they don’t want to address it. Indeed Keene and Ron have went on about it at some length and have highlighted the money and effort they are putting into resolving the issue. The name of this thread is just one example of that ‘building for the future’ at work.

Does that mean we will see some of the young guns for a couple of end of season matches…maybe, maybe not but either way I don’t think that will tell us anything about our development approach going forward.

[JamesHFC]

Agree. Only when we're mathematically safe though.

Higher chance of Mercer rising from the dead than Hibs getting relegated this season.

[Oscar T Grouch]

Update from Steve Kean on the U18 CAS side the the future Development side. Possibility of the reserve league starting up again next season too. Decent update and worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bqdWS15DOc

[JimboHibs]

I’d like to see some young players playing for the first team too, but if David Gray has any aspirations of getting the job full time, or if he’s even looking to get his name out there for a lower league gig, then he’ll be looking to put out his strongest team available. Wouldn’t he?

Our strongest team is gash as results have proved , so if David Gray has aspirations of becoming manager hopefully he'll give him a chance , can't be worse than the guff we've been watching.

[Brightside]

Laidlaw the only Hibs player in the Scot 17s squad.

[easty]

Our strongest team is gash as results have proved , so if David Gray has aspirations of becoming manager hopefully he'll give him a chance , can't be worse than the guff we've been watching.

The seasons been *****. Nae arguments from me there. Still had the third highest number of clean sheets in the league, so maybe throwing a youngster into the back four, with little experience of Scottish football wouldn't improve us all that much. Things could easily be worse than the guff we're watching.

[Brightside]

The seasons been *****. Nae arguments from me there. Still had the third highest number of clean sheets in the league, so maybe throwing a youngster into the back four, with little experience of Scottish football wouldn't improve us all that much. Things could easily be worse than the guff we're watching.

We also have young Blaney who has been around the squad a fair bit this season. I think all these players will be part of the Dev team so don’t expect to see them in the first team much moving forward.

[HIBS NUTS]

So, was just on Instagram and I saw Jasper shared a story of him and Allan Delferriere at training and I paused and thought wait, whos that? So a quick Google showed we signed him on deadline day and on a 2.5 year deal. No idea how but this completely escaped me.

Now, he's 20, but from February 27th he's been on our bench in every single game (and I can't believe I didn't even bother thinking whos that? 🙈). I think I've just thought he was just some 18 year old from our youth ranks or something. He's not played a single minute for us though.

Looking into the guy a bit further tonight and he seems like he's very versatile and can plan defensive midfield aswel as Centre Half, and is very comfortable with the ball at his feet (2 positions where it wouldn't hurt trying a new option!).
I see the guy has 5 first team appearances for Standard Liège and 19 appearances in the Dutch 1st division on loan.

Anyone else have an opinion on this guy? Time to turn all these sub appearances into some minutes on the pitch now that we can basically play out the rest of the season with freedom?...

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i have a friend in holland,allan played for his team in div 2, he said allan was very very good.

[superfurryhibby]

We also have young Blaney who has been around the squad a fair bit this season. I think all these players will be part of the Dev team so don’t expect to see them in the first team much moving forward.

If they are good enough to play first team football, then they will play first team football.

[brog]

i have a friend in holland,allan played for his team in div 2, he said allan was very very good.

Allan D doesn't appear anywhere on our website despite his regular bench appearances. Mind you neither does Dan Mackay, Jack Brydon, Stephen Bradley or Jayden Fairley though Dylan Tait is shown as on loan. A bit sloppy.

[LaMotta]

Weirdly angry response?

He's right though, 300k difference in prize money between 7th and 8th. Thats a years wage for a top earner or a transfer fee for an important player.

Still something to play for this season.

It's nearer £60k difference between 7th and 8th.

[Bridge hibs]

Used to love going to reserve games and hoping to see good youngsters coming through. I remember the highly rated centre half Liam O’Sullivan was due to make his return after a long spell out with injury but sadly he passed away before making his return

[Since452]

Used to love going to reserve games and hoping to see good youngsters coming through. I remember the highly rated centre half Liam O’Sullivan was due to make his return after a long spell out with injury but sadly he passed away before making his return

Same. Vague recollection of a very young Gary O'Connor scoring 3 or 4 goals up at Dens.

[CapitalGreen]

Laidlaw the only Hibs player in the Scot 17s squad.

I wouldn’t read too much in to him being the only player in the squad. Youth Scotland Squad’s are rarely representative of who will be the best players from that age group when when it comes to adult football.

Below is the Under 17 squad for their tie v Denmark just over 10 years ago. The only player who would be good enough for Hibs is possibly Stuart Findlay. Of the others, Stephen Hendrie & Cammy Smith at Partick are playing at the highest level, 2 are playing non-league and 2 are not attached to any club at all.

Ryan Crump
Stuart Findlay, Stuart Urquhart, Stephen Hendrie, Kyle Turnbull, Lewis Kidd
Darren Petrie, Charlie Telfer, Fraser Aird
Cammy Smith, Islam Feruz

[Ronniekirk]

Is there not a chance that some of those matches will not be played?

IIRC Hibs have a big lead and if results go our way there could be a few dead rubbers.

Or have I got that wrong?

We lost our last game though so as things stand we are not top of the league yet so if that is allowed to happen we need to win the next couple


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[Ronniekirk]

Isn't it the under 18's who can win their league? Is Delferriere/Hauge in that side?

Yes under 18s The two players you mention aren’t in the under 18 teams d could play for the first team if the Manager chose to pick them


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[Ronniekirk]

Surely the main purpose of their league is to develop players, not to win titles. I’d rather see them given a chance in the first team.

Your point is correct ,but I just think at present they will want to give that group the chance to finish the job
The guy Kean watches them when they play So assume he will know which players he thinks could gravitate to the Development or B Team for next season That’s going to be the pathway to get into the first team is it not
If someone was showing outstanding ability and itvwas thought they were ready for a run out in the first team you have to assume that would happen


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[007]

Arithmetic is a branch of mathematics, so 'mathematically safe' is also correct. 'Arithmetically safe' is just more specific.

Probability and Statistics is also a branch of Mathematics. We are 10 points and 18 goals ahead of 11th with 4 matches left so it highly probable we won't be relegated, therefore arguably we are already mathematically safe (depending on which branch of Mathematics you go by). 😜