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brydekirk
22-04-2022, 09:38 PM
If, David wins the next 5 games, would you be willing to give a full time slot?
Just asking.

Northernhibee
22-04-2022, 09:40 PM
Yes, but only with an experienced assistant.

madhatter
22-04-2022, 09:41 PM
No. Would be a silly decision for both parties.

Paulie Walnuts
22-04-2022, 09:44 PM
Nope.

bingo70
22-04-2022, 09:45 PM
Yes, if he can show he can get the players playing for him then why not?

Every appointment is a risk, would seem less of a risk if we appoint someone who’s had a 5 game trial.

Plus, I love the guy.

Just_Jimmy
22-04-2022, 09:47 PM
I'd love him to win the Scottish Cup as manager, however I would hate to tarnish his legacy.

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MWHIBBIES
22-04-2022, 09:50 PM
If he's the best candidate, yes absolutely. I don't think he will be yet, though. Very much hope he stays around.

Sir David Gray
22-04-2022, 09:52 PM
I'd love to see David Gray being a success as Hibs manager but in reality it would mean his inevitable departure from the club at some point and I'm not sure I'll ever be ready for that day.

To answer the question though, if we win our next five matches he has to be in with a shout.

Onceinawhile
22-04-2022, 10:04 PM
Yes.

I don't think he will though.

JohnM1875
22-04-2022, 10:17 PM
Be stupid not to consider SDG if he did win four or five of the upcoming games.

If we don't consider it and he does well it'll only be a matter of time until a team gives him a chance to manage.

Stuart93
22-04-2022, 10:26 PM
I’m not sure what’s more unbelievable, SDG being our manager or this group of players winning 4 or 5 games in a row

The Harp
22-04-2022, 10:33 PM
I'd certainly consider SDG for the Easter Road hot seat, but only if we hired someone with a wealth of experience in football management - whoever that would be I have no idea.

OstKurve Hibs
22-04-2022, 10:55 PM
I'd love him to win the Scottish Cup as manager, however I would hate to tarnish his legacy.

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Nothing could tarnish his legacy.

AgentDaleCooper
23-04-2022, 01:30 AM
Nothing could tarnish his legacy.

Yup, same as Sauzee

bod
23-04-2022, 06:58 AM
He might not want it permanently

Callum_62
23-04-2022, 07:02 AM
Can see the argument from both sides but I'd prefer gray stays in the background and we get in a manager who has some experience behind him

Winning a few games in a row is fine but it can happen with a new manager bouce - didn't maloney win his first 2? [emoji44]

We have 5 games against the worst teams in the league - we shoukd be winning atleast 3 of them

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B.H.F.C
23-04-2022, 07:03 AM
No from me.

Big changes needed in the summer and I think we need a bit of experience to make sure we get it right.

bingo70
23-04-2022, 07:16 AM
No from me.

Big changes needed in the summer and I think we need a bit of experience to make sure we get it right.

I think we need to be careful we don’t put too much emphasis on experience.

So many of our *****st managers have been experienced. I think where we went wrong with Maloney is that he didn’t have enough experience of day to day involvement coaching at club level. Someone with Mowbrey or Stubbs type experience would be fine with me. IMO with that kind of appointment you can get an enthusiasm that should be infectious.

Any experienced manager we can get will likely only have experience of being an average manager or been a failure elsewhere or they’d be out of our reach.

Sir David Gray
23-04-2022, 07:34 AM
Can see the argument from both sides but I'd prefer gray stays in the background and we get in a manager who has some experience behind him

Winning a few games in a row is fine but it can happen with a new manager bouce - didn't maloney win his first 2? [emoji44]

We have 5 games against the worst teams in the league - we shouod be winning atlesst 3 of them

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Unfortunately our record in the bottom six suggests we won't win that many.

Since the split was introduced this will be our 8th appearance in the bottom six in the 18 seasons we have been in the top flight (excluding the 19/20 season) and we have managed an average of just under 2 wins per season.

01/02 - 2
02/03 - 4
03/04 - 2
10/11 - 0
11/12 - 2
12/13 - 3
13/14 - 0

The Modfather
23-04-2022, 07:40 AM
I wouldn’t automatically rule him out, but similarly not sure 5 bottom 6 games of which might include a few dead rubbers would prove he’d make a good manager or is the best candidate.

CapitalGreen
23-04-2022, 07:40 AM
Unfortunately our record in the bottom six suggests we won't win that many.

Since the split was introduced this will be our 8th appearance in the bottom six in the 18 seasons we have been in the top flight (excluding the 19/20 season) and we have managed an average of just under 2 wins per season.

01/02 - 2
02/03 - 4
03/04 - 2
10/11 - 0
11/12 - 2
12/13 - 3
13/14 - 0

Those stats don’t suggest anything because results that happened 10-20 years ago will have no bearing on our results in the next few weeks.

LeithMike
23-04-2022, 07:46 AM
Smacks of silly short-termism to me. We've seen at various other clubs that performances under an interim manager are usually vastly different to those when the appointment is made permanent.

If we're going to judge David Gray over 5 games, he's also likely to get the sack over a similar period. If he wants to be a manager David Gray is far better starting off somewhere where he can make mistakes without the fear of the sack and be given time to build something.

I still find it astounding when a manager with a proven track record like McInnes could be brought in that fans want to roll the dice on someone with no real management experience. We really need someone with proper experience of running a football club as a manager to guide those above him.

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Since452
23-04-2022, 07:56 AM
I don't think there's any chance. Ron wants experience.

Jones28
23-04-2022, 08:01 AM
Unfortunately our record in the bottom six suggests we won't win that many.

Since the split was introduced this will be our 8th appearance in the bottom six in the 18 seasons we have been in the top flight (excluding the 19/20 season) and we have managed an average of just under 2 wins per season.

01/02 - 2
02/03 - 4
03/04 - 2
10/11 - 0
11/12 - 2
12/13 - 3
13/14 - 0

That is a god awful record.

hibee-boys
23-04-2022, 08:05 AM
Appreciate that any appointment comes with its own risks but giving SDG the gig based on the outcome of 5 games against bottom 6 teams would be another stab in the dark. It’s a big no from me, would love him to manage Hibs one day after he’s gained experience, away from ER.

hibee-boys
23-04-2022, 08:09 AM
Unfortunately our record in the bottom six suggests we won't win that many.

Since the split was introduced this will be our 8th appearance in the bottom six in the 18 seasons we have been in the top flight (excluding the 19/20 season) and we have managed an average of just under 2 wins per season.

01/02 - 2
02/03 - 4
03/04 - 2
10/11 - 0
11/12 - 2
12/13 - 3
13/14 - 0

Interesting stats, doesn’t have much bearing on the next run of 5 games, but pretty grim reading.

Sioux
23-04-2022, 08:40 AM
I think we need to be careful we don’t put too much emphasis on experience.

So many of our *****st managers have been experienced. I think where we went wrong with Maloney is that he didn’t have enough experience of day to day involvement coaching at club level. Someone with Mowbrey or Stubbs type experience would be fine with me. IMO with that kind of appointment you can get an enthusiasm that should be infectious.

Any experienced manager we can get will likely only have experience of being an average manager or been a failure elsewhere or they’d be out of our reach.

If failure means sacked, then we will appoint a failed manager. Those managers will all be experienced managers, whilst 90% of them don't last the length of their contract. So, what are you actually looking for? A Sean Maloney type?

Sir David Gray
23-04-2022, 09:21 AM
Interesting stats, doesn’t have much bearing on the next run of 5 games, but pretty grim reading.

In the previous fixtures this season against the same opponents at the same venues we've also won 2 matches out of 7 so there is a bit of a pattern emerging. Also 4 draws and 1 defeat for anyone who was wondering.

I reckon we'll probably stick with our traditional average and win 2 of our last 5 games but if David Gray can get this team winning 5 from 5 he should definitely be in contention to get the job permanently.

madhatter
23-04-2022, 09:30 AM
When has a club giving a club legend the managers job so early in coaching career (no real manager experience) ever turned out as a success?

bingo70
23-04-2022, 09:30 AM
If failure means sacked, then we will appoint a failed manager. Those managers will all be experienced managers, whilst 90% of them don't last the length of their contract. So, what are you actually looking for? A Sean Maloney type?

You say A Sean Maloney type, I say a Tony Mowbray type.

All the best managers in the world have something in common, they all had to be given their first job at some point. Bigger clubs than Hibs appoint novice managers all the time.

Despite all that, I’m open minded about who we bring in. The only thing I don’t want is some dull appointment of someone who just knows Scottish football. I think fresh ideas, a fresh approach and an enthusiasm for the job are important. I think experience of being involved in coaching on a day to day basis at a club environment is probably the only experience I would be looking for.

Nicho87
23-04-2022, 09:31 AM
Silly move on both parts

I think he’s more likely to leave mid season for a lower league team to cut his teeth and come back to us once experienced.

If Ron made him permanent it goes completely against what he said in recent pressers regarding required experience

SHODAN
23-04-2022, 09:45 AM
If we look **** hot then aye, maybe.

Unseen work
23-04-2022, 10:01 AM
Who was the last Hibs manager to win 5 games in a row?

I’m not for David Gray getting the job but if he gets 5 wins in a row then you’d have to say he deserves a chance surely?

Onion
23-04-2022, 10:07 AM
Really hope not. SDG is a Legend with the highest reputation. He should not risk tarnishing that by taking on the Hibs job.

oneone73
23-04-2022, 10:09 AM
When has a club giving a club legend the managers job so early in coaching career (no real manager experience) ever turned out as a success?

Kenny Dalglish?

Sir David Gray
23-04-2022, 10:18 AM
Who was the last Hibs manager to win 5 games in a row?

I’m not for David Gray getting the job but if he gets 5 wins in a row then you’d have to say he deserves a chance surely?

We last won five matches in a row in 17/18 under Neil Lennon
although three of them were League Cup matches v lower league opposition.

SHODAN
23-04-2022, 10:30 AM
Who was the last Hibs manager to win 5 games in a row?

I’m not for David Gray getting the job but if he gets 5 wins in a row then you’d have to say he deserves a chance surely?

Pretty sure Calderwood managed it last in the top flight.

easty
23-04-2022, 10:31 AM
If he wins all 5 then we’d be mad not to give him a chance.

We’ll not win all 5 though.

Sir David Gray
23-04-2022, 10:37 AM
Pretty sure Calderwood managed it last in the top flight.

Yes that's correct, I had to keep moving after posting about Lennon. We last won 5 top flight league games in a row in 10/11 under Colin Calderwood.

Hibs 2-0 St Mirren
Hibs 2-1 Kilmarnock
St Mirren 0-1 Hibs
Hibs 2-0 Inverness CT
Hamilton 1-2 Hibs

basehibby
23-04-2022, 10:46 AM
If Gray wins the next 5 games he'll be well in the running and he'll have earned it!

where'stheslope
23-04-2022, 02:03 PM
If we are after a new manager, he needs to come in now!
The last games of this season would give him an idea who to keep and who to move on.
New manager coming in next season means, he's left with another managers players and we end up with the same scenario as our last 3 managers!!!

lyonhibs
23-04-2022, 03:24 PM
If he wins 5 out of 5, obviously he's in with a shout although RGs apparent decision that experience is a key credential for the next manager would seem to be against DG

Hibiza
23-04-2022, 04:09 PM
No disrespect to SDG but get Mowbray in.

A Hi-Bee
23-04-2022, 04:17 PM
Nope, don't want to spoil the legend.
Every manager has the same inevitable ending so no to SDG.

GRA
23-04-2022, 06:37 PM
As much as I love SDG the Maloney appointment has shown that we need to go for a manager with years of experience.

Northernhibee
23-04-2022, 06:43 PM
As much as I love SDG the Maloney appointment has shown that we need to go for a manager with years of experience.

Some of our best managers have been inexperienced, and I do think there's a good chance to get rid of quite a lot of deadwood this summer.

If SDG picks up another three wins lets say then he's earned the right to be interviewed without a shadow of a doubt. We should be a meritocracy and this is his audition.

Greenwich_Hibby
23-04-2022, 07:08 PM
No. Heart ruling the head never works i.e. Franck.

shetlandhibee
23-04-2022, 08:10 PM
I think we need to be careful we don’t put too much emphasis on experience.

So many of our *****st managers have been experienced. I think where we went wrong with Maloney is that he didn’t have enough experience of day to day involvement coaching at club level. Someone with Mowbrey or Stubbs type experience would be fine with me. IMO with that kind of appointment you can get an enthusiasm that should be infectious.

Any experienced manager we can get will likely only have experience of being an average manager or been a failure elsewhere or they’d be out of our reach.:top marks fwiw i think if he had been left as boss when JR went we would be in the top 6 just now:agree:

shetlandhibee
23-04-2022, 08:12 PM
SDG that is :not worth

Hermit Crab
23-04-2022, 08:13 PM
If, David wins the next 5 games, would you be willing to give a full time slot?
Just asking.


Absolutely not, this a perfect time to get a very experienced manager in and really push on next season after a good summer window. DG will not be able to do that.

Hibernia&Alba
23-04-2022, 08:27 PM
I would certainly give him a chance if he performs until the end of the season. I would agree that he would need an experienced assistant; we just tried the rookie option, but it didn't work.

IberianHibernian
23-04-2022, 11:51 PM
After today`s result , it looks like we`ve avoided the playoffs so should be able to plan next season as a top tier team . Tiny margins . LC finalists , SC semifinalists and anywhere from 7th to 10th in league but very close to an admittedly poor 4th place with previous manager . Whoever is new manager has a good base to start from - if target is top 4 we were almost there . Despite terrible injuries , we almost made top 4 before split . So good possibilities of relative success ( like this season in cups and top 4 in league almost like this season ) for new manager and for considerable success if given funds .

IberianHibernian
23-04-2022, 11:56 PM
I would certainly give him a chance if he performs until the end of the season. I would agree that he would need an experienced assistant; we just tried the rookie option, but it didn't work.New manager will benefit from work done in last few months ( signing of several talented young players , match experience gained by young players cause of injury crisis , ) plus pre season to work with players . A LC final and SC semi plus being within a goal of top 6 and almost certain European football suggests next manager won`t have that much to do .

JohnM1875
24-04-2022, 12:02 AM
After today`s result , it looks like we`ve avoided the playoffs so should be able to plan next season as a top tier team . Tiny margins . LC finalists , SC semifinalists and anywhere from 7th to 10th in league but very close to an admittedly poor 4th place with previous manager . Whoever is new manager has a good base to start from - if target is top 4 we were almost there . Despite terrible injuries , we almost made top 4 before split . So good possibilities of relative success ( like this season in cups and top 4 in league almost like this season ) for new manager and for considerable success if given funds .

Not the best base to build on though.

I'd me majorly surprised if Porto and Doig stay.

Lose them you're left with two good keepers at this level

Hanlon Stevenson, McGinn, Mitchell, Clarke (on loan and could leave) Rocky (don't think we'll take the option up) Cadden.
?
Newell, JDH (good enough?) , Campbell (Good enough?), Hendo, Mueller (Good enough?) (rest are out of contact I'm sure?)

Melkersen, Nisbet, Doidge (who've we've apparently told can leave)

We need a major, major rebuild this summer. Just can't see us spending that big in the summer to get the squad up to the levels needed

B.H.F.C
24-04-2022, 08:05 AM
New manager will benefit from work done in last few months ( signing of several talented young players , match experience gained by young players cause of injury crisis , ) plus pre season to work with players . A LC final and SC semi plus being within a goal of top 6 and almost certain European football suggests next manager won`t have that much to do .

The new manager has a huge job to do. We’ve fallen miles below where we were last season and been dreadful, in a dreadful league. People have lost interest and stopped watching this season, it’s going to take a big turnaround to get them back.

Northernhibee
24-04-2022, 08:27 AM
No. Heart ruling the head never works i.e. Franck.

He never had an audition like SDG has though.

Swedish hibee
24-04-2022, 05:30 PM
No. I don't want the same fans to turn on our legend.

The Wireless
24-04-2022, 06:07 PM
If, David wins the next 5 games, would you be willing to give a full time slot?
Just asking.
It’s a no from me. Love David Gray but feel it is too early for him to be No. I
I would not want David exposed to the sack if things went pear shaped which is a given at all clubs as we know too well over time. I see the benefit for him at Hibs working within the club in a coaching capacity/ interim manager/ director of football for the next 20 years where his legacy would grow and his position would emulate the great Pat Stanton as a Hibs ambassador. As a club employee he would create continuity through change and always be a respected and recognisable asset when working in any department for years where his advice, experience over time and identity with supporters would become invaluable.🇳🇬 🏆