VAR coming in

[GloryGlory]

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11781/12593541/var-scottish-premiership-to-introduce-video-technology-after-crucial-vote

[IWasThere2016]

Dont get the mid-season .. wonder who the 1 was as vote was 41-1

[JeMeSouviens]

Ought to be a really good thing but ... Scottish referees making decisions semi-anonymously behind closed doors. What could possibly go wrong? :rolleyes:

[Steve88]

VAR is only as good as the people using it...

[weecounty hibby]

Dont get the mid-season .. wonder who the 1 was as vote was 41-1

Der hun. Worried that their penalty count will go down nd their red cards will go up

[JeMeSouviens]

Der hun. Worried that their penalty count will go down nd their red cards will go up

Seemingly a championship club. Would expect the Hun ref dividend will get even better for the new Rangers.

[weecounty hibby]

Seemingly a championship club. Would expect the Hun ref dividend will get even better for the new Rangers.

I had a hun at work tell me it would be a huge benefit to them as they get no decisions in their favour and some of the decisions against them were scandalous. Said with no irony at all!!

[A Hi-Bee]

Great, now even more weegie west coast refs can dip into the gravy getting paid for backing up the rest of the GFA.

[GordonHFC]

VAR is only as good as the people using it...

And we already know they are incompetent.

[SHODAN]

Fantastic, now we can see "PENALTY TO RANGERS" in real time on the big screens at ER!

[ancient hibee]

It is totally wrong to bring it in mid season.

[Steve88]

And we already know they are incompetent.

Here lies my concern, a 2nd half season full of VAR controversy is on the cards..

[ronaldo7]

Good decision imo.

We currently have the referees only getting one look at something. This gives us another chance to see things again. It can only improve the decision making. We'll inevitably get a few falling through the net, so to speak, but overall I think it'll improve the league.

[JeMeSouviens]

I had a hun at work tell me it would be a huge benefit to them as they get no decisions in their favour and some of the decisions against them were scandalous. Said with no irony at all!!

Their "poor wee us" routine despite Scottish football collectively agreeing to look the other way and allow them to jump into their new body has been quite unbelievable. Entitled ********s to a man. :rolleyes:

[Bristolhibby]

Here lies my concern, a 2nd half season full of VAR controversy is on the cards..

Would have loved it in the playoff v Falkirk for that double handball.

J

[Jones28]

Give the referees the help they clearly need - and holds them accountable in front of a big audience too.

[GreenCastle]

Why mid season ?

So a penalty earlier in season not given will be given in 2 part of season?

[THESHIP]

Much rather the money was being spent bringing goal line technology to the league.

Having watched VAR unfold in other leagues, they still aren’t getting the decisions right.

Can’t even begin to imagine how infuriating it’s going to be when the ugly sisters are still getting dodgy decisions after it being reviewed.

[LustForLeith]

…as a replacement for Maloney?

[Hibernian Verse]

Why mid season ?

So a penalty earlier in season not given will be given in 2 part of season?

Maybe we're buying it off the Qataris

[bigwheel]

Maybe we're buying it off the Qataris

Gave me a good chuckle this …[emoji122]

[marinello59]

Why mid season ?

So a penalty earlier in season not given will be given in 2 part of season?

There was a really interesting piece on this on Radio Scotland a couple of months back where the Refs supervisory guy gave a detailed explanation of why we would not be ready to run with it for the start of the season even though that would be the ideal. (Refs have to be trained to FIFA standards etc before we can use it and that has to run to a timescale outside our control etc ) One of those rare moments when it felt like our footballing authorities were being genuinely open with us.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

It would only be good if we could get refs outside Scotland (Glasgow) to do the analysis.

[percy veer]

Much rather the money was being spent bringing goal line technology to the league.

Having watched VAR unfold in other leagues, they still aren’t getting the decisions right.

Can’t even begin to imagine how infuriating it’s going to be when the ugly sisters are still getting dodgy decisions after it being reviewed.

Can't think of 1 decision in the last few years where we have needed goal line technology, Griffiths years ago but the var would have noticed that one

[LewysGot2]

Here we go...buckle up! Only beneficiaries of this will be the teams who already benefit disproportionately from current officiating

[Coach Jon]

Can't think of 1 decision in the last few years where we have needed goal line technology, Griffiths years ago but the var would have noticed that one

Ollie Shaw at Tynie?

[JeMeSouviens]

Can't think of 1 decision in the last few years where we have needed goal line technology, Griffiths years ago but the var would have noticed that one

Everyone in the stadium could see that was yards over the line! That one just needed regular eyesight, not GLT.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Ollie Shaw at Tynie?


and our goal at Dingwall that the present scottish tory leader called offside, wrongly

[cabbageandribs1875]

Can't think of 1 decision in the last few years where we have needed goal line technology, Griffiths years ago but the var would have noticed that one


everyone did, except the jambo linesman


this will cut out blatant cheating by officials

[Bushwoof]

"Penalty to Rangers"

[A Hi-Bee]

"Penalty to Rangers"

Another penalty to the rannkers, this is amazing, and where would we be without VAR?

[Bushwoof]

this will cut out blatant cheating by officials

And it will also allow the cheating officials to legitimately disallow any goal against the ugly sisters for any one of a number of minor infringements which will have occurred in the build-up, while giving them plenty of opportunity to spot soft penalty awards. And all the time killing any spontaneity in the game. I can see myself jacking it in.

[GloryGlory]

…as a replacement for Maloney?

:angeldevi

[cabbageandribs1875]

And it will also allow the cheating officials to legitimately disallow any goal against the ugly sisters for any one of a number of minor infringements which will have occurred in the build-up, while giving them plenty of opportunity to spot soft penalty awards. And all the time killing any spontaneity in the game. I can see myself jacking it in.


BUT on the flip side, picture this scenario, Heartz score the winning goal on 90+7 mins at ER in a SC game, the away end goes mental celebrating, referee beaton joins in with them, but...VAR says wait a minute here...and chalks it off


Scenes in the home ends :wink:

[AliboyFC]

How the **** are we getting VAR before goal line technology??

[LewysGot2]

VAR is for folk who think watching football is something you do on the telly. It's not great for folk in the actual grounds

[allezsauzee]

Can't think of 1 decision in the last few years where we have needed goal line technology, Griffiths years ago but the var would have noticed that one

Sheffield United had a bona fide goal not count against Aston Villa a couple of years back because goal line technology didn't catch that the ball crossed the line and VAR "wasn't used". The selective use of VAR in games involving the Old Firm will be the new source of corruption and nothing will really change.

[Hibbyradge]

I had a hun at work tell me it would be a huge benefit to them as they get no decisions in their favour and some of the decisions against them were scandalous. Said with no irony at all!!

Fans of every club in the world think that they don't get the same benefit of decisions as other clubs.

Fans of every club in the world think that their referees are either corrupt or incompetent.

Neil Warnock was moaning about all the refs in England being crap last night.

[Hibbyradge]

Good decision imo.

We currently have the referees only getting one look at something. This gives us another chance to see things again. It can only improve the decision making. We'll inevitably get a few falling through the net, so to speak, but overall I think it'll improve the league.

I agree.

If a ref makes a mistake, or a deliberate error as the conspiracy theorists would have you believe, they can get away with it just now because they can say they were unsighted or whatever.

Now, they'll be given 6 different angles to view the incidents so the vast majority of mistakes will be corrected.

[Hibbyradge]

Much rather the money was being spent bringing goal line technology to the league.

Having watched VAR unfold in other leagues, they still aren’t getting the decisions right.

Can’t even begin to imagine how infuriating it’s going to be when the ugly sisters are still getting dodgy decisions after it being reviewed.

They're getting many more right than they did before VAR.

[Hibbyradge]

And it will also allow the cheating officials to legitimately disallow any goal against the ugly sisters for any one of a number of minor infringements which will have occurred in the build-up, while giving them plenty of opportunity to spot soft penalty awards. And all the time killing any spontaneity in the game. I can see myself jacking it in.

They can do that now if they so choose.

[Hibbyradge]

Sheffield United had a bona fide goal not count against Aston Villa a couple of years back because goal line technology didn't catch that the ball crossed the line and VAR "wasn't used". The selective use of VAR in games involving the Old Firm will be the new source of corruption and nothing will really change.

How will its use be selective?

Every club will have VAR.

[GreenCastle]

How the **** are we getting VAR before goal line technology??

Only thing I can think about is they will use VAR for both ?

[Hibbyradge]

Only thing I can think about is they will use VAR for both ?

Unlike VAR, GLT is rarely needed.

However, it's strange that folk who don't want offsides which result in a goal to be decided by precise measurement, are desperate for the same measurement to be used to determine if the ball has wholly crossed the goal line.

[JimBHibees]

Assume this is only the top league. Who is paying for it?

[CropleyWasGod]

Assume this is only the top league. Who is paying for it?

The clubs. "The technology will be implemented after December's World Cup in Qatar, with Premiership clubs bearing the £1.2m per season cost on a sliding scale".

[I'm_cabbaged]

Not for offside? Really?

[Logie Green]

The clubs. "The technology will be implemented after December's World Cup in Qatar, with Premiership clubs bearing the £1.2m per season cost on a sliding scale".

Thankfully our cunning plan to finish as low down this season’s table will mean our first payment will be substantially lower than those high flying teams at or near the top. Hah! Pony up Mr Anderson.

[CropleyWasGod]

Thankfully our cunning plan to finish as low down this season’s table will mean our first payment will be substantially lower than those high flying teams at or near the top. Hah! Pony up Mr Anderson.

We may even pay nothing. :greengrin

[bod]

Are the clubs being encouraged to get big screens ? at least at ER we’ll know what VAR is looking at

[California-Hibs]

Are the clubs being encouraged to get big screens ? at least at ER we’ll know what VAR is looking at

I hope this is the case, but won't be surprised if its just a case of us simply seeing 'VAR Check' on the screen, and not the actual footage they're reviewing.

[marinello59]

I hope this is the case, but won't be surprised if its just a case of us simply seeing 'VAR Check' on the screen, and not the actual footage they're reviewing.

I don’t think you get to see the footage in the stadium.

[Allant1981]

Hawkeye were advertising jobs well over a month ago for scotland, job was called football replay operator so they clearly knew it would be passed

[JeMeSouviens]

I hope this is the case, but won't be surprised if its just a case of us simply seeing 'VAR Check' on the screen, and not the actual footage they're reviewing.

In England, it says what the check is for, "offside", "penalty", "serious foul play" etc but no footage.

[cabbageandribs1875]

before use up here it would be good if everything was decided beforehand that incidents like this patrick bamford 'goal' at crystal palace is not called offside because he was only pointing ahead, i don't really care about the spontaneity of it it's the nonsense of calling offside because some players elbow/hand/finger/bootlace/nose is in front of the defender
'Worst ever’ VAR decision rules out Patrick Bamford goal for offside in Crystal Palace vs Leeds clash (talksport.com) (https://talksport.com/football/785820/var-patrick-bamford-goal-offside-crystal-palace-leeds/)
https://talksport.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2020/11/Screenshot-2020-11-07-at-15.32.10.png?strip=all&quality=100&w=960

[danhibees1875]

before use up here it would be good if everything was decided beforehand that incidents like this patrick bamford 'goal' at crystal palace is not called offside because he was only pointing ahead, i don't really care about the spontaneity of it it's the nonsense of calling offside because some players elbow/hand/finger/bootlace/nose is in front of the defender
'Worst ever’ VAR decision rules out Patrick Bamford goal for offside in Crystal Palace vs Leeds clash (talksport.com) (https://talksport.com/football/785820/var-patrick-bamford-goal-offside-crystal-palace-leeds/)
https://talksport.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2020/11/Screenshot-2020-11-07-at-15.32.10.png?strip=all&quality=100&w=960

To be fair, you can't be offside for 3 of those 5 things. :greengrin

[JXM73]

Take it's just premiership, cannae see a fat camera guy at firhill running the tape down to the ref...

Anyway, why does the video ref have to even be in scotland ... digital age and all that... can we not just use the super refs down south?

[California-Hibs]

In England, it says what the check is for, "offside", "penalty", "serious foul play" etc but no footage.

Ah, well thats what it'll be then. I wonder if it'll just be live games that folk watching on TV will get to see what the ref is looking at, as in the slowing down, different angles, white lines being drawn etc 🤷*♂️

[allezsauzee]

How will its use be selective?

Every club will have VAR.

The officials decide when there is something that requires a review, which makes sense or every match would take hours to complete.

[Hibbyradge]

The officials decide when there is something that requires a review, which makes sense or every match would take hours to complete.

If the officials give clearly wrong decisions after viewing VAR, they will be pilloried.

They will not be able to say that they were unsighted or that it all happened so fast.

If they are seen to favour Celtc, the Rangers will attack them officially and unnoficially and in the media.

Vice versa would also apply.

More importantly, and more fairly, the referees themselves would rather not make mistakes and they certainly do not want to be shown to be biased for or against any clubs.

If they really were corrupt and wanted to influence matches, they would not have voted for VAR.

I am certain that the technology will improve the refereeing decisions although there are likely to be teething problems and occasional controversies which the people who oppose VAR will cease upon.

[EdinMike]

Wonder how many “Refs” we’ll see retire at the end of next season cause their inability (or blatant bias) gets found out 🤔

[ancient hibee]

Wonder how many “Refs” we’ll see retire at the end of next season cause their inability (or blatant bias) gets found out 🤔

They'll all go to work on VAR.

[Bostonhibby]

They'll all go to work on VAR.No chance, VAR will be based in the BBC Sportsound studio for the Hearts and Aberdeen gang to make the big calls.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

To be fair, you can't be offside for 3 of those 5 things. :greengrin



we'll see :greengrin

[B.H.F.C]

If the officials give clearly wrong decisions after viewing VAR, they will be pilloried.

They will not be able to say that they were unsighted or that it all happened so fast.

If they are seen to favour Celtc, the Rangers will attack them officially and unnoficially and in the media.

Vice versa would also apply.

More importantly, and more fairly, the referees themselves would rather not make mistakes and they certainly do not want to be shown to be biased for or against any clubs.

If they really were corrupt and wanted to influence matches, they would not have voted for VAR.

I am certain that the technology will improve the refereeing decisions although there are likely to be teething problems and occasional controversies which the people who oppose VAR will cease upon.

It’ll be the same folk operating VAR with the same bias. Too many decisions football aren’t factual. There will be loads that favour Rangers and Celtic with little favouring the rest of us. The only time they’ll have and issue is when the two of them are playing against each other.

[wookie70]

Beaton showed last night that he referees games based on what mood he is in. Fouls and bookings are huge in terms of the way a game goes and most of those won't be VAR reviewed. Newell may not have even been booked if he had been playing for Arbroath in the league last night rather than Hibs in a semi against an establishment club. The best way to make refereeing in Scotland better is for referees to manage games the same regardless of who is playing and what is at stake. Glasgow Derbies being refereed differently to Edinburgh ones is designed to allow that game to have more action imo. It is another example of how Scottish football is designed around two clubs and I doubt VAR will change that much. I'd like to see referees review games more and deciding on what is a booking and what isn't. At the moment they change their minds from ref to ref, game to game and team to team and what mood they are in. Refs not being consistent should be forced down a level

[HibbyDave]

Until we have refs wearing microphone and the public able to listen to their comments along with audible discussion between ref and var nowt will change.