So it's OK to make a Reckless challenge when on a Yellow?

[MinceAndTatties]

I've not been voting to get rid of Maloney, although I am getting worried about his assessment of games.
He talks up Hibs performances to a risible degree and now he is giving a free pass to Newell for having made a, stupid reckless tackle while on a booking. Maloney must take some responsibility for sending the players out with the instruction to be aggressive. Campbell was lucky not get a straight red. We could easily have finished with 9.
The players now will know now that it's OK to show fight in this way and they have an excuse when the inevitable happens
In my view, this is weakness on the part of Maloney trying to keep in with fans. I suppose it is preferable to lying down and taking a humping but it's not a road to success either.

[Pagan Hibernia]

I love a team with aggression but you need to be smart and pick your battles. That tackle from newell yesterday was ridiculous under the circumstances and may well have cost us the game.

our disciplinary record overall this season is hopeless

[LewysGot2]

The answer to the question is "it depends who you play for"

[McGruber]

I agree. The red probably cost us the chance of winning the game. Stupid from Newell especially where it was on the park.

Campbell's was a straight red too. Though worth bearing in mind Hearts should have finished with 9 too. They won't have the ref onside v Rangers

[matty_f]

The answer to the question is "it depends who you play for"

100%.

[sunshinejim]

I've not been voting to get rid of Maloney, although I am getting worried about his assessment of games.
He talks up Hibs performances to a risible degree and now he is giving a free pass to Newell for having made a, stupid reckless tackle while on a booking. Maloney must take some responsibility for sending the players out with the instruction to be aggressive. Campbell was lucky not get a straight red. We could easily have finished with 9.
The players now will know now that it's OK to show fight in this way and they have an excuse when the inevitable happens
In my view, this is weakness on the part of Maloney trying to keep in with fans. I suppose it is preferable to lying down and taking a humping but it's not a road to success either.

How on earth is it possible to compare yellow cards when cochrane escaped one when both hands pushed Cadden into Hampden's advertising boards? **** off.

[matty_f]

How on earth is it possible to compare yellow cards when cochrane escaped one when both hands pushed Cadden into Hampden's advertising boards? **** off.

Don’t forget Clarke and Hanlon picking up bookings for dissent, yet Simms being able to wave his arms about to dispute a decision being ok, or the boy being allowed to push Porteous over not once, but twice, while on a booking already.

[Rick Rude]

I've not been voting to get rid of Maloney, although I am getting worried about his assessment of games.
He talks up Hibs performances to a risible degree and now he is giving a free pass to Newell for having made a, stupid reckless tackle while on a booking. Maloney must take some responsibility for sending the players out with the instruction to be aggressive. Campbell was lucky not get a straight red. We could easily have finished with 9.
The players now will know now that it's OK to show fight in this way and they have an excuse when the inevitable happens
In my view, this is weakness on the part of Maloney trying to keep in with fans. I suppose it is preferable to lying down and taking a humping but it's not a road to success either.

Or maybe he thinks it's not a good idea to hang one of the players out to dry when the team is already struggling. Maybe thinks it's better for the team to say it's his fault for asking them to play that way no matter what he might be actually thinking.

[Turkish Green]

Usually a player that has a yellow will be warned by the ref that the next foul will be a 2nd and Manager will substitute,

The way Hibs were playing in the 2nd half, Newell should have been warned or hiked off.

[Victor]

Usually a player that has a yellow will be warned by the ref that the next foul will be a 2nd and Manager will substitute,

The way Hibs were playing in the 2nd half, Newell should have been warned or hiked off.

From where I was in the south stand it looked like Newell and Haring(?) went for a 50/50 ball, when the foul was given against Newell. I do know that Haring(?) milked the situation by rolling around like he had been shot, before bouncing back up once the red card had been shown. Not sure what Newell did wrong, apart from trying to get the ball?


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[ShetlandHibby]

From where I was in the south stand it looked like Newell and Haring(?) went for a 50/50 ball, when the foul was given against Newell. I do know that Haring(?) milked the situation by rolling around like he had been shot, before bouncing back up once the red card had been shown. Not sure what Newell did wrong, apart from trying to get the ball?


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You don’t know what newell did wrong? Was today your first time watching football?? He launched into the tackle, studs up, out of control and late, yet you can’t see what he did wrong??

[Iain G]

I've not been voting to get rid of Maloney, although I am getting worried about his assessment of games.
He talks up Hibs performances to a risible degree and now he is giving a free pass to Newell for having made a, stupid reckless tackle while on a booking. Maloney must take some responsibility for sending the players out with the instruction to be aggressive. Campbell was lucky not get a straight red. We could easily have finished with 9.
The players now will know now that it's OK to show fight in this way and they have an excuse when the inevitable happens
In my view, this is weakness on the part of Maloney trying to keep in with fans. I suppose it is preferable to lying down and taking a humping but it's not a road to success either.

I think you are reading a lot into what Maloney said, he asked Joe to play on the edge, not make idiot decisions! He shouldn't have gone for that challenge but that is down to individual poor decision making and not instructions from the manager.

And the Campbell tackle was a proper old school "professional foul" to stop a Hearts counter attack...

[Victor]

You don’t know what newell did wrong? Was today your first time watching football?? He launched into the tackle, studs up, out of control and late, yet you can’t see what he did wrong??

If you read what I wrote, I could not see clearly what happened. No need for the insults.


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[zlatan]

We've had 2 players handed the captains armband in games within a week or two of facing the wrong side of the law this season. Add to that the exoneration of Newell on Saturday from the manager, Porteous getting an extra game off the back of appealing the latest red card that was never going to be successful and it's not a great look in terms of trying to control the terrible disciplinary record this season.

[Mick O'Rourke]

I do not think we were any more aggressive in tackling than the hertz.
Referee interpretation was the issue on Saturday.


Do you use oxo,gravy salt or bisto in yer mince ?

:na na:

[Crab apple]

I do not think we were any more aggressive in tackling than the hertz.
Referee interpretation was the issue on Saturday.


Do you use oxo,gravy salt or bisto in yer mince ?

:na na:

Spot on. I liked the fact we matched their physicality. We haven't always done so and they didn't like it. I still can't understand why Beaton didn't give Moore a second yellow for that push on Porto.

[Eyrie]

Spot on. I liked the fact we matched their physicality. We haven't always done so and they didn't like it. I still can't understand why Beaton didn't give Moore a second yellow for that push on Porto.

Or a booking when the Hearts player pushed Cadden over in the first half.

Oh wait, it was Beaton. Known Hun and probably still smarting at being called out by McGinn after the League Cup final.

[LewysGot2]

How on earth is it possible to compare yellow cards when cochrane escaped one when both hands pushed Cadden into Hampden's advertising boards? **** off.

Off the ball, as well.

Ridiculous stuff. But, yeah, the narrative is us being the aggressive ones. The media are so far up their demoted backsides it's not real

[greenlex]

Newall has to be smarter. It’s all very well following instruction but FFS you can be strong without being reckless. You don’t do that when on a yellow.

[wookie70]

Newell thought the ball was there to be won and had the brief of playing on the edge. It was the wrong decision but I don't think I want to be too critical of him or SM given that physicality made us hugely more competitive.

I bet I am not the only one who turns to their mate or whose mate turns to them week in week out, after we have suffered 6-8 fouls, most of which were not even trying to play the ball, and says next Hibs foul, often the first in a game, will be a booking. The biggest problem on Saturday was not Joe or SM it was Beaton. He made far more mistakes than the players and got many of the big calls wrong.

Hibs are refereed differently from other teams and that is especially true where Ryan Porteous is concerned or where fouls are committed when not making a genuine attempt at the ball. Newell did make an attempt and Cochrane made none but Joe gets the yellow. It happens so often it is unreal and we can point to countless decisions which were simply unbelievable and were seen by the whole stadium but missed by the referee. Yes, we got away with the Campbell decision but the damage had been done by then and Beaton didn't need to draw further scrutiny of his obvious bias.

[ShetlandHibby]

Newell thought the ball was there to be won and had the brief of playing on the edge. It was the wrong decision but I don't think I want to be too critical of him or SM given that physicality made us hugely more competitive.

I bet I am not the only one who turns to their mate or whose mate turns to them week in week out, after we have suffered 6-8 fouls, most of which were not even trying to play the ball, and says next Hibs foul, often the first in a game, will be a booking. The biggest problem on Saturday was not Joe or SM it was Beaton. He made far more mistakes than the players and got many of the big calls wrong.

Hibs are refereed differently from other teams and that is especially true where Ryan Porteous is concerned or where fouls are committed when not making a genuine attempt at the ball. Newell did make an attempt and Cochrane made none but Joe gets the yellow. It happens so often it is unreal and we can point to countless decisions which were simply unbelievable and were seen by the whole stadium but missed by the referee. Yes, we got away with the Campbell decision but the damage had been done by then and Beaton didn't need to draw further scrutiny of his obvious bias.

This is one of the most paranoid posts I’ve seen on here. Newell could’ve walked for his first booking. It was studs down the back of the boys ankle, no attempt to play the ball. His second was a ridiculously stupid decision. He was never getting the ball.

Porto could be a great player but his decision making is mental. He is rash and reckless.

We need to stop deflecting here. The manager is guff, the players are guff and there are serious questions to be answered about the true intentions of Ron and co. Claiming some sort of bias smacks of sore loser mentality

[northern-hibee]

Newell thought the ball was there to be won and had the brief of playing on the edge. It was the wrong decision but I don't think I want to be too critical of him or SM given that physicality made us hugely more competitive.

I bet I am not the only one who turns to their mate or whose mate turns to them week in week out, after we have suffered 6-8 fouls, most of which were not even trying to play the ball, and says next Hibs foul, often the first in a game, will be a booking. The biggest problem on Saturday was not Joe or SM it was Beaton. He made far more mistakes than the players and got many of the big calls wrong.

Hibs are refereed differently from other teams and that is especially true where Ryan Porteous is concerned or where fouls are committed when not making a genuine attempt at the ball. Newell did make an attempt and Cochrane made none but Joe gets the yellow. It happens so often it is unreal and we can point to countless decisions which were simply unbelievable and were seen by the whole stadium but missed by the referee. Yes, we got away with the Campbell decision but the damage had been done by then and Beaton didn't need to draw further scrutiny of his obvious bias.

This is one of the most accurate posts I’ve read on here and sums up exactly the main reason we lost on Saturday. We’ve suffered it too many times for it to any other than corruption. Do we just forget the cheating by the ref at the 5-1 final, forget about Beaton ignoring the penalty in front of his eyes in the recent cup final defeat to Celtic? And then just pretend he didn’t see Cochranes push on Cadden as worthy of a yellow or Moores push on Porteous shouldn’t be a yellow?

[tamig]

This is one of the most paranoid posts I’ve seen on here. Newell could’ve walked for his first booking. It was studs down the back of the boys ankle, no attempt to play the ball. His second was a ridiculously stupid decision. He was never getting the ball.

Porto could be a great player but his decision making is mental. He is rash and reckless.

We need to stop deflecting here. The manager is guff, the players are guff and there are serious questions to be answered about the true intentions of Ron and co. Claiming some sort of bias smacks of sore loser mentality

What do you mean about Ron’s true intentions? What do you reckon they are?

[Mick O'Rourke]

This is one of the most paranoid posts I’ve seen on here. Newell could’ve walked for his first booking. It was studs down the back of the boys ankle, no attempt to play the ball. His second was a ridiculously stupid decision. He was never getting the ball.

Porto could be a great player but his decision making is mental. He is rash and reckless.

We need to stop deflecting here. The manager is guff, the players are guff and there are serious questions to be answered about the true intentions of Ron and co. Claiming some sort of bias smacks of sore loser mentality

Would not be out of place on kickback forum :wink:

[wookie70]

This is one of the most paranoid posts I’ve seen on here. Newell could’ve walked for his first booking. It was studs down the back of the boys ankle, no attempt to play the ball. His second was a ridiculously stupid decision. He was never getting the ball.

Porto could be a great player but his decision making is mental. He is rash and reckless.

We need to stop deflecting here. The manager is guff, the players are guff and there are serious questions to be answered about the true intentions of Ron and co. Claiming some sort of bias smacks of sore loser mentality

I'm quite late to the bias camp but it very rarely plays out that we get the decisions in big games. I've had the same discussion with fans of other teams and asked them to recall all the inexplicable decisions against their team. We usually have more in a season than they can recall for decades of supporting their team. Lots of red cards for players after the game had finished. Griffith goal, Forster goal, Shaw goal etc etc. The stats suggest we get more players booked per foul than other teams. I' not paranoid I am just relaying my experience of 50 years watching us being routinely short changed by referees.

What do you think Ron's true intensions are? Worrying about that given he has gifted 7 figures and invested in other transfers of 100K plus while holding onto our key assets seems to scream paranoia to me.