Scottish refereeing

[Scottie]

Absolute joke.

Yesterday Beaton couldn’t wait to shaft us with some ludicrous decisions against us.
Today Madden scared witless to card any player in Blue.

Shocking and inept refereeing and decision making.

Tell me that Scottish football & refereeing is not corrupt to the core in our country. VAR will change nothing as it will be run by even more incompetent individuals next season.

[Bostonhibby]

It's a sad fact of life and it continues to make an absolute mockery of the Scottish game.

Certainly sounds like Madden has plumbed new depths today.

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[LunasBoots]

Need to hire pro refs before we can think about VAR

[hibee1875]

It’s like the OF gets it’s own special rules. Tackles fly in derbies and so refs usually are a bit more lenient but there’s been tackles in this game worse than both of Newells which have gone unpunished.

[ShetlandHibby]

Maybe lucky var is coming in til next year! Joe might’ve walked in the first half for his bad tackle, studs down the boys Achilles and Josh would’ve seen us down to 9!! Stop making excuses for a poor manager and shocking team. Don’t accept this, look for better!

[eastterrace]

Absolute joke.

Yesterday Beaton couldn’t wait to shaft us with some ludicrous decisions against us.
Today Madden scared witless to card any player in Blue.

Shocking and inept refereeing and decision making.

Tell me that Scottish football & refereeing is not corrupt to the core in our country. VAR will change nothing as it will be run by even more incompetent individuals next season.if we had VAR yesterday then Campbell would have got sent off.

[madhatter]

if we had VAR yesterday then Campbell would have got sent off.

Cochrane and Moore would've been sent off as well.

[eastterrace]

Cochrane and Moore would've been sent off as well.not sure about that. I take it your on about handball.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

God knows how Lundstrum manages to stay on the park.

[OldEast]

It's a sad fact of life and it continues to make an absolute mockery of the Scottish game.

Certainly sounds like Madden has plumbed new depths today.

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Right up there with the worst I've seen for a long time.

[madhatter]

not sure about that. I take it your on about handball.

That and the deliberate body check on Cadden in first half, unpunished. Then Moore was already on a booking before he pushed Porteous, was he not? A push like that is normally a booking.

Might be remembering wrongly in fairness.

[LewysGot2]

That and the deliberate body check on Cadden in first half, unpunished. Then Moore was already on a booking before he pushed Porteous, was he not? A push like that is normally a booking.

Might be remembering wrongly in fairness.

Cadden was taken out off the ball in most cynical fashion. Nothing done. You could see he was still not happy about it long after. Rightly so

[Tyler Durden]

That and the deliberate body check on Cadden in first half, unpunished. Then Moore was already on a booking before he pushed Porteous, was he not? A push like that is normally a booking.

Might be remembering wrongly in fairness.

No you’re spot on.

Imagine we had scored from the free kick? The failure to send off Moore would have had a big impact in that scenario.

Cochrane was also giving the linesman dogs abuse late in the game, when on a card. Clarke got booked for dissent to the same linesman, but nothing for the Hearts player. Total joke

[A Hi-Bee]

It's a sad fact of life and it continues to make an absolute mockery of the Scottish game.

Certainly sounds like Madden has plumbed new depths today.

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That Arfield should be sent off just for being so ****in ugly, that salute fair rips ma tits, ugly wee hun.

[matty_f]

It’s a disgrace, if Beaton had refereed us like he’s refereed Rangers, Newell finishes the match.

[kaimendhibs]

The refs are one thing that could put me off going to Scottish Football. I have sat through some **** Hibs teams but keep going.
The refs are at the very least inept, probably corrupt.

[JohnM1875]

The refs are one thing that could put me off going to Scottish Football. I have sat through some **** Hibs teams but keep going.
The refs are at the very least inept, probably corrupt.

Is it just me or do they actually seem to be getting worse? More and more baffling decisions lately.

[Swedish hibee]

I completely disagree with var full stop. I don't feel it will put an end to the referee problem in Scotland, in fact I can see it making it worse!

[kaimendhibs]

Is it just me or do they actually seem to be getting worse? More and more baffling decisions lately.
Not just you mate

[Stick]

Noticed yesterday when we had a free kick about 1 metre, maybe 2 at most, from the 18 yard line. The hearts wall was about 6” in front of the penalty spot. Which means that the wall was 7.5 yards, 8 at most from the ball. I ran the video back to double check and it was clearly no where near the 10 yards it’s meant to be.
The same thing happened today, Celtic had a free kick in almost the identical situation with the wall no where like 10 yards away.
A small point perhaps, but if the refs can’t even get that right what chance do we have of fairness.

[degenerated]

not sure about that. I take it your on about handball.He should have got a yellow in first half when he took cadden out, then he got his yellow for a trip before his deliberate handball.

[Carheenlea]

Noticed yesterday when we had a free kick about 1 metre, maybe 2 at most, from the 18 yard line. The hearts wall was about 6” in front of the penalty spot. Which means that the wall was 7.5 yards, 8 at most from the ball. I ran the video back to double check and it was clearly no where near the 10 yards it’s meant to be.
The same thing happened today, Celtic had a free kick in almost the identical situation with the wall no where like 10 yards away.
A small point perhaps, but if the refs can’t even get that right what chance do we have of fairness.

Walls are never 10 yards, not even close to it.

Referees “walk” out 10 paces rather than 10 yards. Given a yard is 3 foot I’d say most walls are 8-9 yards at the very most.

[Victor]

Simms should have been booked for his ‘celebration’ after the first goal. Ran off the pitch towards the Hibs support gesturing. Beaton watched him and did……nothing.


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[superfurryhibby]

Simms should have been booked for his ‘celebration’ after the first goal. Ran off the pitch towards the Hibs support gesturing. Beaton watched him and did……nothing.


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Yep, what a *****tain. Should have been booked for it.

[Jones28]

We need to professionalise refereeing, even if it’s for the top flight only.

[SHODAN]

Did Simms get a yellow for celebrating in front of us?

[JohnM1875]

Just saw the Moore push on Porto again there and I can't believe he didn't pick up a second yellow!

Imagine if it was reversed and Porto was the one pushing, probably just get a straight red.

[Victor]

Did Simms get a yellow for celebrating in front of us?

Not that I am aware of. Should be an automatic yellow. Sure it would have been if any of our team had done it.


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[1875Sean]

That and the deliberate body check on Cadden in first half, unpunished. Then Moore was already on a booking before he pushed Porteous, was he not? A push like that is normally a booking.

Might be remembering wrongly in fairness.

Cochrane Wouldn’t make the second foul if he was already on a yellow

Moore should have been off but at that stage it doesn’t make a impact on the game

If Porto made that tackle than roofs got booked for today however it would have been a straight red

[Rick Rude]

Just saw the Moore push on Porto again there and I can't believe he didn't pick up a second yellow!

Imagine if it was reversed and Porto was the one pushing, probably just get a straight red.

Especially when you consider what Hanlon was booked for.

[green day]

I had the misfortune to hear Sportsound today before the Rangers / Celtic match, and - after McCann saying we were the better team - they got onto the Newell and campbell incidents.

They were also talking in general about our indiscipline this season.

Apparently we have had 11 reds this season...........which is actually pretty awful.

While there have been times when the refereeing has been terrible, we clearly need to sort that out as it has cost us far too many times.

Yes, the refs are terrible, but our own players have cost us at times this season.

[angus hibby]

It’s like the OF gets it’s own special rules. Tackles fly in derbies and so refs usually are a bit more lenient but there’s been tackles in this game worse than both of Newells which have gone unpunished.

Correct. Commentators agreeing with the decision not to book someone too early as if he does that, wouldn’t be long before a red! Why on earth should their game be refereed differently from any other game?!

Think McGinns “inept” comment hasn’t helped our cause!

[Tyler Durden]

Cochrane Wouldn’t make the second foul if he was already on a yellow

Moore should have been off but at that stage it doesn’t make a impact on the game

If Porto made that tackle than roofs got booked for today however it would have been a straight red

Re Moore - if we’d scored then the game goes into ET and not sending him off makes a massive impact on the game. It’s another example where the refs just independently decide when to apply the actual rules of the game.

Beaton was awful but Bobby Madden was worse. He seems to think it’s his job NOT to book players. Statistically he produces far fewer cards than any other top flight Scottish ref

[lugz]

Bobby Madden posting happy Easter on Instagram after the match with Kris Boyd replying. They don't even try and hide the blatant corruption in this country

[Northernhibee]

It’s why I don’t think VAR will work up here. VAR is to help control the competence of a referee but it won’t solve issues with impartiality and I have no faith that whoever is in charge of it won’t be another west coast SFA favourite.

[The Harp Awakes]

Absolute joke.

Yesterday Beaton couldn’t wait to shaft us with some ludicrous decisions against us.
Today Madden scared witless to card any player in Blue.

Shocking and inept refereeing and decision making.

Tell me that Scottish football & refereeing is not corrupt to the core in our country. VAR will change nothing as it will be run by even more incompetent individuals next season.

I agree. The refereeing in Scotland is a joke. Madden, Beaton and Walsh have well established Rangers connections, but regularly officiate Rangers games. Why?

Madden today and Beaton yesterday did nothing overly controversial, but clearly showed a bias towards Rangers and Hearts in each game. It's there for all to see, but it's subtle enough to keep under the radar.

Bring back the continental refs :not worth:not worth

[HibeeMackenzie]

John Beaton should never referee a hibs game again

[Key West]

VAR won’t make a great difference in fact it will help the likes of Celtic and The Rangers, finding new ways to chalk goals off against them. Madden was disgraceful today and Beaton didn’t seem to be interested in booking any Hearts players in particular Simms who although I wouldn’t regard him as a dirty player got away with snidey fouls all through the game.

[sunshinejim]

VAR won’t make a great difference in fact it will help the likes of Celtic and The Rangers, finding new ways to chalk goals off against them. Madden was disgraceful today and Beaton didn’t seem to be interested in booking any Hearts players in particular Simms who although I wouldn’t regard him as a dirty player got away with snidey fouls all through the game.

Var would make a massive diffirence to the corrupt cabal of referees that change the courses of games by applying completely separate rules to standard games of football. At the very least we'd be able to point out which refs are totally corrupt to those who are simply inept. It can't come quick enough for me.

[JamesHFC]

Var would make a massive diffirence to the corrupt cabal of referees that change the courses of games by applying completely separate rules to standard games of football. At the very least we'd be able to point out which refs are totally corrupt to those who are simply inept. It can't come quick enough for me.

I agree. Every week we watch the highlights or games live and we can spot a wrong decision instantly, with VAR it has to and will cut out a lot of these inept decisions. It looks very likely that it’s going to go ahead after the World Cup.

I must admit though watching the amount of time it takes in other countries, I’m worried about how long it’s going to take the officials here to reach a decision.

[sunshinejim]

Var and the scrapping of the so called bigotry west end east end of Hampden would go someway to ending religious bigotry of Hampdump.

[Rick Rude]

The issue with VAR is that it doesn't do anything about all the small things that change a game. Even with VAR Newell still gets that first booking whilst the hearts boy that takes out Cadden breaking up the wing doesn't get booked. VAR doesn't get Simms booked for what was his 6th or 7th foul. For that we actually need referees who are consistent in applying the rules.

[tonyrougier123]

VAR will inevitably be introduced to Scotland but it will be a nightmare!im calling it now.
As others have said the smaller incidents that mount up and truly affect a games outcome will not be covered,instead big incidents will be the target of VAR.
I can only see it helping the old firm maintain a strangle hold over the rest of the league.
Nick Walsh ref John Beaton VAR ref my sweet lord have mercy 🙏🏻😑

[1875Sean]

Re Moore - if we’d scored then the game goes into ET and not sending him off makes a massive impact on the game. It’s another example where the refs just independently decide when to apply the actual rules of the game.

Beaton was awful but Bobby Madden was worse. He seems to think it’s his job NOT to book players. Statistically he produces far fewer cards than any other top flight Scottish ref

Yeah but we didn’t score and the free kick wasn’t close to causing any trouble, you said the game could have went to extra time but we are lucky Campbell wasn’t sent off so for me it evens itself out, hate Beaton but he wasn’t the reason we got beat

[Boyle89]

Var would make a massive diffirence to the corrupt cabal of referees that change the courses of games by applying completely separate rules to standard games of football. At the very least we'd be able to point out which refs are totally corrupt to those who are simply inept. It can't come quick enough for me.

10/10. This is exactly how I feel. With the amount of ridiculous, mind blowing decisions we've witnessed this season alone it would be worth the cost to see even one of these refs have to either deny celtic/sevco a goal or give their opponents anything!

[Hibs07p]

The 2 games showed the blatant pro establishment teams bias that exists in our game from the referees performance. I think Collum or McLean will get the final with brothers Walsh, Beaton and Madden in hospitality.
In regards to VAR, unless the var referee is a neutral, officiating from a studio overseas, it won’t make a blind bit of difference to the blatant refereeing decisions being made in favour of celgers in general and the huns in particular. Who’s going to call them out? BBC Scotland, Sky, BT, Premier Sports? All of whom have a biased commentating / analysis representation in favour of Rangers, Celtic, Hearts and Aberdeen in that order.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[Tyler Durden]

Yeah but we didn’t score and the free kick wasn’t close to causing any trouble, you said the game could have went to extra time but we are lucky Campbell wasn’t sent off so for me it evens itself out, hate Beaton but he wasn’t the reason we got beat

I never suggested that the ref was the reason we lost. I’m more complaining about the general lack of competence and inconsistency.

Taylor Moore not getting booked for shoving Porto is just inexplicable. See also Lundstram not being booked for blocking Joe Hart releasing the ball yesterday.

Campbell should definitely have been sent off but it seemed like Beaton didn’t have a view of it and went with the linesman

[we are hibs]

The corrupt nature/standard of refereeing will never change in this country because too many clubs (including Hibs) dont care enough.


This nonsense of having conversations post match with the "head of referees" is a complete waste of time and clearly hasnt worked. Actually, the refereeing in our games has arguably got worse since Kensell started that. But hey, as long as we keep dignified silence in public its all ok.

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[Callum_62]

I called it on Saturday that rangers and celtic players would get away with warnings and it it would take something ridiculous to get sent off

I may have very lucky with that call or it may be that they 2 clubs are treated far differently (especially when playing against each other) than other teams

Apparently being a big game and a cracking atmosphere etc is all you need to be let away with umpteen bookable offences

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[patlowe]

Former refs and the media in general seem to think this idea of refereeing the old firm differently is in some way 'common sense' or appropriate. In reality it is emblematic of how dysfunctional our game is, particularly in its relationship with the gruesome twosome. Bookings/reds/suspensions can have a significant impact on a season - the fact that two teams get some level of immunity from this for 4+ games a season is completely ridiculous. But as I say, this sick culture is so embedded that people can't see the wood from the trees.

[JimBHibees]

The corrupt nature/standard of refereeing will never change in this country because too many clubs (including Hibs) dont care enough.


This nonsense of having conversations post match with the "head of referees" is a complete waste of time and clearly hasnt worked. Actually, the refereeing in our games has arguably got worse since Kensell started that. But hey, as long as we keep dignified silence in public its all ok.

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I don't think arguably got worse definitely got worse. We haven't had a meaningful decision this side of the league cup final after inept and Ben indicating he had spoken to head of refs. Bitter wee clowns with an arrogant degree of self importance given way too much power and conveniently all based around Glasgow West central Scotland not at all corrupt. To be fair to Maloney he has called out decisions however it results in even worse ones in the next game. Personally think we have been done over this season to a large degree by refs.

[greenlad]

Former refs and the media in general seem to think this idea of refereeing the old firm differently is in some way 'common sense' or appropriate. In reality it is emblematic of how dysfunctional our game is, particularly in its relationship with the gruesome twosome. Bookings/reds/suspensions can have a significant impact on a season - the fact that two teams get some level of immunity from this for 4+ games a season is completely ridiculous. But as I say, this sick culture is so embedded that people can't see the wood from the trees.

I remember being at a 'Fans Forum' at the Hibs Supporters Club at Sunnyside organised by the News of the World, just before it's "tragic" demise. Maybe 2010 or so.

The top table included Stuart Dougal (recently retired ref), Davie Provan (Sky/OF mouthpiece) and a NOTW Sports journalist. They spent the whole evening paying lip service to the crowd who asked good questions and had good ideas to improve the game in Scotland and basically putting over their Glasgow-centric view. Jane Lewis was the MC.

Provan arrogantly poo-poohed the idea of a larger league in Scotland to enable more youth players being blooded (no doubt echoing his paymasters at Sky who would lose 2 OF derbies).

Then refereeing was discussed and Dougal openly admitted that he went into OF matches with a different attitude, not wanting to book players early on if he could help it. Cue firstly a surprised then annoyed crowd in the Hibs Club who made a fair point that applying the rules of football differently on different occasions depending on the teams involved could be seen as at best unfair, and at worst, you know, downright CHEATING. Again this was arrogantly dismissed that us paying customers didn't know what we were talking about.

[JimBHibees]

I remember being at a 'Fans Forum' at the Hibs Supporters Club at Sunnyside organised by the News of the World, just before it's "tragic" demise. Maybe 2010 or so.

The top table included Stuart Dougal (recently retired ref), Davie Provan (Sky/OF mouthpiece) and a NOTW Sports journalist. They spent the whole evening paying lip service to the crowd who asked good questions and had good ideas to improve the game in Scotland and basically putting over their Glasgow-centric view. Jane Lewis was the MC.

Provan arrogantly poo-poohed the idea of a larger league in Scotland to enable more youth players being blooded (no doubt echoing his paymasters at Sky who would lose 2 OF derbies).

Then refereeing was discussed and Dougal openly admitted that he went into OF matches with a different attitude, not wanting to book players early on if he could help it. Cue firstly a surprised then annoyed crowd in the Hibs Club who made a fair point that applying the rules of football differently on different occasions depending on the teams involved could be seen as at best unfair, and at worst, you know, downright CHEATING. Again this was arrogantly dismissed that us paying customers didn't know what we were talking about.

Got to be said that panel sounds absolutely horrific.

[Key West]

VAR will be controlled by the usual suspects,most ot the decisions will still be manipulated to suit the existing criteria which supports bias.

[onfire]

Football in general needs looked at in terms of time wasting- IMO hearts played to the refs weaknesses on Saturday. If football could learn from rugby. Stop the clock for injuries and subs it would remove the benefits from doing this for non genuine reasons.

[Cropley10]

Maybe lucky var is coming in til next year! Joe might’ve walked in the first half for his bad tackle, studs down the boys Achilles and Josh would’ve seen us down to 9!! Stop making excuses for a poor manager and shocking team. Don’t accept this, look for better!

Your point makes no sense. The OP is comparing the inconsistency between decisions made on Saturday versus Sunday. What ‘look for better’ means, in this context I have no idea

[Cropley10]

Re Moore - if we’d scored then the game goes into ET and not sending him off makes a massive impact on the game. It’s another example where the refs just independently decide when to apply the actual rules of the game.

Beaton was awful but Bobby Madden was worse. He seems to think it’s his job NOT to book players. Statistically he produces far fewer cards than any other top flight Scottish ref

Does he not ref a lot of the Rangers games as well?

[SHODAN]

Hibs v Rangers at Easter Road.

Helander physically grapples Melkerson to the ground inside the penalty box as he's through on goal.

Bobby Madden didn't see it. The linesman didn't see it. They're waiting for VAR.

Nick Walsh on VAR says ehhhhh, nothing going lads. Continue.

Later in the game, Porteous scores a header from a corner.

Madden is peeped by Walsh on VAR saying ehhhhhh, Porteous actually karate kicked Morelos in the head as he was scoring that. Disallowed and red card.

The corruption will just get worse.

[Cropley10]

It’s why I don’t think VAR will work up here. VAR is to help control the competence of a referee but it won’t solve issues with impartiality and I have no faith that whoever is in charge of it won’t be another west coast SFA favourite.

The VAR ref is on rotation so some weeks it will be Madden, so you could have Walsh reffing a Rangers game and Madden doing VAR. There will be more pens given for, and goals chalked off against either of the Glasgow teams.

[wookie70]

Cochrane Wouldn’t make the second foul if he was already on a yellow

Moore should have been off but at that stage it doesn’t make a impact on the game

If Porto made that tackle than roofs got booked for today however it would have been a straight red

You have no way of knowing that regarding Cochrane. He committed two fouls that were clearly both yellows. He stays on the park and Newell doesn't. Whether Moore getting sent off having a bearing on the game or not is irrelevant. He should clearly have been sent off. If we score it makes a difference and he is now eligible for teh final when he and Cochrane should not be. If it even came close to evening itself up over a season, a decade or the near 50 years I have watched us being disadvantaged by terrible and obviously biased refereeing it would be ok, but it isn't and the game in Scotland is completely corrupt

[Lago]

That Arfield should be sent off just for being so ****in ugly, that salute fair rips ma tits, ugly wee hun.
Great goal to be fair 😅

[ehf]

Simms should have been booked for his ‘celebration’ after the first goal. Ran off the pitch towards the Hibs support gesturing. Beaton watched him and did……nothing.


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It was right in front of us in section I3 - Simms giving it the big one, and Sibbick even worse. Could have sparked a riot but our fans were commendably restrained. Any game anywhere else in Europe, both of them are booked.

[A Hi-Bee]

Refs in Scotland all bent as a five bob note, end of.
:aok:

[1875Sean]

You have no way of knowing that regarding Cochrane. He committed two fouls that were clearly both yellows. He stays on the park and Newell doesn't. Whether Moore getting sent off having a bearing on the game or not is irrelevant. He should clearly have been sent off. If we score it makes a difference and he is now eligible for teh final when he and Cochrane should not be. If it even came close to evening itself up over a season, a decade or the near 50 years I have watched us being disadvantaged by terrible and obviously biased refereeing it would be ok, but it isn't and the game in Scotland is completely corrupt

Most players when on a yellow manage the game and don’t go in for stupid tackles, his yellow was a blatant trip so you would expect he wouldn’t make that trip

It’s all hindsight as I said in another post we cant blame the ref for not going through although the standard of refereeing in this country is terrible

[truehibernian]

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Beaton has it in for Hibs every time he gets us. He's arrogant when you meet him, never ever got the vibe that he would be fair with us, and doesn't communicate well.

Bobby Madden's performance yesterday was also very poor, but he's a really decent guy having met him numerous times and you never ever get the impression that he is biased or unfair to one side or the other, simply he makes human errors like anyone. Steven McLean is the same, one who I rate more than the two mentioned but he made some glaring errors over the last two seasons - in particular The Rangers games :cb - and he has fallen down the pecking order (make what you will of that :wink:). Kevin Clancy is fair, but again, very arrogant in person.

By far the best ref we have had in recent times is Callum Murray, Hearts supporter, but you would never ever doubt his fairness and integrity - a very good ref, who talks to players and made the right big calls way more often than not. We need more like him in the game.

[LewysGot2]

John Underhill was very highly thought of by players. A decent guy with a good manner in dealing with people and none of the baggage that goes with being from Central Scotland as he's from the South of England. Never at the root of any big uproar either and he refereed derbies without upsetting folk.

Madden might be a nice guy off the park but there's no doubt he loves the attention on it. He even gets into arguments with fans - seen it at Easter Road more than once. Been on the Open Goal thing a few times which in itself tells you something. He's the referee I'd least like to see in a derby as he let's so much go. Industrial teams must love it.

God knows what Kensall said to Crawford Allan but it doesn't seem to have helped.

[hibsbollah]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ricebilly/status/1517841868356210690?s=21&t=uOT0RJfGXl85SITYOvxzpg

It all evens itself out over the course of a season though…

[Callum_62]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ricebilly/status/1517841868356210690?s=21&t=uOT0RJfGXl85SITYOvxzpg

It all evens itself out over the course of a season though…Scott wrights non reaction says it all

VAR wouod hopefully sort of these types of decisions next year

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[easty]

Scott wrights non reaction says it all

VAR wouod hopefully sort of these types of decisions next year

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Var will just give them more dodgy pens. In my opinion.

[Paulie Walnuts]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ricebilly/status/1517841868356210690?s=21&t=uOT0RJfGXl85SITYOvxzpg

It all evens itself out over the course of a season though…

I honestly think the cheating has got considerably worse and more blatant the last few years.

It’s horrific and it’s like there’s no attempt to even hide it anymore.

[hibsbollah]

Var will just give them more dodgy pens. In my opinion.

I agree.

[easty]

I honestly think the cheating has got considerably worse and more blatant the last few years.

It’s horrific and it’s like there’s no attempt to even hide it anymore.

Why bother hiding it when there are zero repercussions anyway? That’s why I think VAR will be pointless. Dodgy Rangers pen awarded by VAR, everyone says it’s a shocking decision, nobody anywhere has to explain anything to anyone. It’s going to happen. No doubt about it.

[hibstag]

Var will just give them more dodgy pens. In my opinion.

Yep I'm sure they had some initially ruled offside goals awarded in Europe this year too.

I guarantee next season at some point a last minute equaliser or winner against either of the Glasgow teams will be ruled out for a unbelievable soft foul in the build up...

[Callum_62]

I honestly think the cheating has got considerably worse and more blatant the last few years.

It’s horrific and it’s like there’s no attempt to even hide it anymore.Did he sent the rangers player off in the first half as cover for the up coming cheating?

Sounds far fetched to me

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[Danderhall Hibs]

Did he sent the rangers player off in the first half as cover for the up coming cheating?

Sounds far fetched to me

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I thought he was doing a bit of admin/housekeeping to ensure come the end of the season his stats showed he was fair. Penalty blew that out if the water though.

[JimBHibees]

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that Beaton has it in for Hibs every time he gets us. He's arrogant when you meet him, never ever got the vibe that he would be fair with us, and doesn't communicate well.

Bobby Madden's performance yesterday was also very poor, but he's a really decent guy having met him numerous times and you never ever get the impression that he is biased or unfair to one side or the other, simply he makes human errors like anyone. Steven McLean is the same, one who I rate more than the two mentioned but he made some glaring errors over the last two seasons - in particular The Rangers games :cb - and he has fallen down the pecking order (make what you will of that :wink:). Kevin Clancy is fair, but again, very arrogant in person.

By far the best ref we have had in recent times is Callum Murray, Hearts supporter, but you would never ever doubt his fairness and integrity - a very good ref, who talks to players and made the right big calls way more often than not. We need more like him in the game.

Beaton agree totally some of his performances in our games have been unforgivable looking back at our Championship games especially against Falkirk but also remember a game just after Stubbs arrived at Ibrox we were bossing the game and he then bizarrely sent off Danny Handling totally changing the game. For him to think it appropriate to go to a Rangers pub after an old firm Derby kind of says it all about his character imo. Him and his mates have done us over at every turn since the inept comment.

[Tyler Durden]

There's a lot of chat over the weekend about the Livi keeper punching Besuejen and escaping with a yellow. It looked correct IMO that the Aberdeen player was penalised and given a yellow card but Stryek could easily have seen red.

No discussion though on the Aberdeen penalty. Obileye pulls back Ferguson near the 6 yard box, denies a clear goal scoring opportunity and no attempt to play the ball. Only a yellow card. Not a peep from anyone on Sportscene etc. Porteous would have been red carded and slaughtered for the same.

[One Day]

Var will just give them more dodgy pens. In my opinion.

Thats my opinion too. As well as corrupt refs you'll have corrupt VAR officials

[blackpoolhibs]

There's a lot of chat over the weekend about the Livi keeper punching Besuejen and escaping with a yellow. It looked correct IMO that the Aberdeen player was penalised and given a yellow card but Stryek could easily have seen red.

No discussion though on the Aberdeen penalty. Obileye pulls back Ferguson near the 6 yard box, denies a clear goal scoring opportunity and no attempt to play the ball. Only a yellow card. Not a peep from anyone on Sportscene etc. Porteous would have been red carded and slaughtered for the same.

Only seen it once, but it looked to me that the keeper should have been sent off, a penalty awarded, and the Aberdeen player should not have been booked?:confused:

[green day]

There's a lot of chat over the weekend about the Livi keeper punching Besuejen and escaping with a yellow. It looked correct IMO that the Aberdeen player was penalised and given a yellow card but Stryek could easily have seen red.

No discussion though on the Aberdeen penalty. Obileye pulls back Ferguson near the 6 yard box, denies a clear goal scoring opportunity and no attempt to play the ball. Only a yellow card. Not a peep from anyone on Sportscene etc. Porteous would have been red carded and slaughtered for the same.

I think all that shows is inconsistencies and poor refereeing.

Hibs disciplinary record this season is equal worst with Livi.

And we can't place all of it at conspiracy and poor refereeing.

[Broken Gnome]

Only seen it once, but it looked to me that the keeper should have been sent off, a penalty awarded, and the Aberdeen player should not have been booked?:confused:

I'd have thought the first infringement was blocking the keeper - free kick and usually a booking - then obvioust the Livi keeper going unpunished is an utter nonsense.

Livi free kick and red card to the keeper seemed the best bet.

[JimBHibees]

I think all that shows is inconsistencies and poor refereeing.

Hibs disciplinary record this season is equal worst with Livi.

And we can't place all of it at conspiracy and poor refereeing.

Bollox we havent had a decision since inept. Same old cliquey west of Scotland refs with way too much power. Corrupt as.

[blackpoolhibs]

I'd have thought the first infringement was blocking the keeper - free kick and usually a booking - then obvioust the Livi keeper going unpunished is an utter nonsense.

Livi free kick and red card to the keeper seemed the best bet.

Only seen it once, did the sheep block the keeper, it was not my first thought? I thought the keeper just came out and ran straight at the player and laid him out?:greengrin

[Eyrie]

Only seen it once, did the sheep block the keeper, it was not my first thought? I thought the keeper just came out and ran straight at the player and laid him out?:greengrin

Having seen Besuijen against us, he probably dived in front of the Livingston keeper.

[where'stheslope]

It looked at first glance that the Dons player was trying to stop a quick throw, but the Dons player then got in front of the keeper and hits him in the face with the ball???
The ref could well be looking up field and not see it, but the lino should have seen it all?
I would think the compliance officer would be looking at it and changing his yellow to red as its violent conduct!!!!

[JimBHibees]

Having seen Besuijen against us, he probably dived in front of the Livingston keeper.

How he didn't get done for his putrid dive v Dundee I will never know. Compliance officer is a joke.

[worcesterhibby]

I'd have thought the first infringement was blocking the keeper - free kick and usually a booking - then obvioust the Livi keeper going unpunished is an utter nonsense.

Livi free kick and red card to the keeper seemed the best bet.

This is exactly what should have happened. The Aberdeen player did obstruct him first, but the Livi keeper went to smash the ball in his face, his hand came off one side of the ball and it ended up as a forearm smash straight in the mush. Red card offence.

[Tyler Durden]

I'd have thought the first infringement was blocking the keeper - free kick and usually a booking - then obvioust the Livi keeper going unpunished is an utter nonsense.

Livi free kick and red card to the keeper seemed the best bet.

I agree. Think keeper got a yellow.

[Tyler Durden]

I think all that shows is inconsistencies and poor refereeing.

Hibs disciplinary record this season is equal worst with Livi.

And we can't place all of it at conspiracy and poor refereeing.

I was highlighting that it was inconsistent and poor refereeing - which we see consistently! Also just the joke of “trial by Sportscene” where they clearly pick on certain players by reputation.

I’m not in for conspiracies but don’t think we’ve had any luck this season.

[Callum_62]

I was highlighting that it was inconsistent and poor refereeing - which we see consistently! Also just the joke of “trial by Sportscene” where they clearly pick on certain players by reputation.

I’m not in for conspiracies but don’t think we’ve had any luck this season.Imagine Charlie Adams dive was Martin Boyle

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[CentreLine]

Imagine Charlie Adams dive was Martin Boyle

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Did they actually show that on Sportscene? If they did I missed it.

[BoomtownHibees]

Did they actually show that on Sportscene? If they did I missed it.

They did. But was all just a big laugh cos it was “Charlie”

[One Day]

Imagine Charlie Adams dive was Martin Boyle

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They'd be going on about it for weeks

[green day]

Bollox we havent had a decision since inept. Same old cliquey west of Scotland refs with way too much power. Corrupt as.

I am not saying that some decisions were wrong, and that some refs are utterly hopeless.

However if we think that all of Hibs awful disciplinary issues are down to referees, we are wearing green tinted specs.

Its possible to hold both positions, you know?

[Conj]

I see the Livingston keeper has now been given a two match ban so is out for our game on Saturday.

[Billy Whizz]

I see the Livingston keeper has now been given a two match ban so is out for our game on Saturday.

He’s accepted it too

[JimBHibees]

He’s accepted it too

Good for Saturday