Have hope

[at last 61]

If you look at the team in 2016. Logan legend for the 2 games but not a great player. Big Darren, good player. Hanlon, average. Sdg good player. Fontaine average. Fyfie not a great player. Mcgeoch good player, on his day. Super John, no words needed. Wee louie good player but not great. Stokes, had a good game but again not a great player. Cummings, average. Sub. Hendo good player. Keating, I liked him but not great. Gunnarson same as above. So I great player, some good, but not of didn't go onto bigger teams apart from John, so if truthful we were not a great team great game epic in fact but not great, NOW we have some decent players and stranger things can and will happen, ggtth

[Tha Cabbage Kid]

To a man they all showed up for the game. If all our players showed we WILL win the game. The conscern at the moment is belief

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[MWHIBBIES]

They vast majority of them were very good players in Scottish football. Bizarre to put some of them down. That side would finish top 3 in the spl comfortably.

[Daily Hibs]

If you look at the team in 2016. Logan legend for the 2 games but not a great player. Big Darren, good player. Hanlon, average. Sdg good player. Fontaine average. Fyfie not a great player. Mcgeoch good player, on his day. Super John, no words needed. Wee louie good player but not great. Stokes, had a good game but again not a great player. Cummings, average. Sub. Hendo good player. Keating, I liked him but not great. Gunnarson same as above. So I great player, some good, but not of didn't go onto bigger teams apart from John, so if truthful we were not a great team great game epic in fact but not great, NOW we have some decent players and stranger things can and will happen, ggtth
I would agree with that. And it's scary how far we have regressed when you compare the current team.

[Henderson2Del]

They also played as a team and fought for each other and the manager. That doesn’t see to be the same as current team

[SHODAN]

Difference between 2016 and 2022 is that the opposition in 2016 has already beaten their rivals, hadn't had a competitive fixture for weeks and were convinced the cup was theirs just for showing up. They were woefully under-prepared and it showed.

Moving on to the present day, our opponents on Saturday will be treating this game more seriously than the actual ****ing final.

[davhibby]

Difference between 2016 and 2022 is that the opposition in 2016 has already beaten their rivals, hadn't had a competitive fixture for weeks and were convinced the cup was theirs just for showing up. They were woefully under-prepared and it showed.

Moving on to the present day, our opponents on Saturday will be treating this game more seriously than the actual ****ing final.

Our form pre semi and final in 2016 was terrible, and the team had already lost a winnable game at Hampden. They managed to overturn that to put in 2 big performances and win the cup. Time for the current players to do the same

[I'm Spartacus]

If you look at the team in 2016. Logan legend for the 2 games but not a great player. Big Darren, good player. Hanlon, average. Sdg good player. Fontaine average. Fyfie not a great player. Mcgeoch good player, on his day. Super John, no words needed. Wee louie good player but not great. Stokes, had a good game but again not a great player. Cummings, average. Sub. Hendo good player. Keating, I liked him but not great. Gunnarson same as above. So I great player, some good, but not of didn't go onto bigger teams apart from John, so if truthful we were not a great team great game epic in fact but not great, NOW we have some decent players and stranger things can and will happen, ggtth

I agree but there's one huge spoiler that we didn't know about at the time, there's a £100M player in the group you've listed, having him was like playing with 13 players.

The best player to have ever played for us. Don't even try and convince me I'm wrong!

[JohnMcM]

Difference between 2016 and 2022 is that the opposition in 2016 has already beaten their rivals, hadn't had a competitive fixture for weeks and were convinced the cup was theirs just for showing up. They were woefully under-prepared and it showed.

Moving on to the present day, our opponents on Saturday will be treating this game more seriously than the actual ****ing final.

That’s it in a nutshell.

Make no mistake they will be rubbing their hands in glee at putting us into the bottom six and all that could entail then unceremoniously dumping us out the cup.

[gbhibby]

If you have a look on YouTube at Stubbs masterclass video,he set up the team to match The Rangers. SJM in the final made a few bad passes that Drey Wright would have been dammed to hell if he made them. Its a cup game so players need to leave everything on the pitch. People on here are saying Hearts only need to turn up to win.

[I'm Spartacus]

If you have a look on YouTube at Stubbs masterclass video,he set up the team to match The Rangers. SJM in the final made a few bad passes that Drey Wright would have been dammed to hell if he made them. Its a cup game so players need to leave everything on the pitch. People on here are saying Hearts only need to turn up to win.

See if Hearts turn up with 1% of that attitude in them then that's perfect for us. Sir Alex has said numerous times that complacency is like an unstoppable disease, you can't then flick that mindset in the moment.

I've said a hunner times, whoever loses the league game then wins the semi final.

[gbhibby]

See if Hearts turn up with 1% of that attitude in them then that's perfect for us. Sir Alex has said numerous times that complacency is like an unstoppable disease, you can't then flick that mindset in the moment.

I've said a hunner times, whoever loses the league game then wins the semi final.
Agree a win on Saturday means we are only one victory away from guaranteed European football till Christmas and depriving them of that position. Surely that should be all the motivation the team need. Get intae them.

[SHODAN]

If you have a look on YouTube at Stubbs masterclass video,he set up the team to match The Rangers. SJM in the final made a few bad passes that Drey Wright would have been dammed to hell if he made them. Its a cup game so players need to leave everything on the pitch. People on here are saying Hearts only need to turn up to win.

They won't, though. Hearts never just "turn up" to derbies. They treat it as a battle to the death.

We keep losing because all we do is "turn up".

[I'm Spartacus]

Agree a win on Saturday means we are only one victory away from guaranteed European football till Christmas and depriving them of that position. Surely that should be all the motivation the team need. Get intae them.

The difference between adding 4 class players to the squad and not having to pay off a manager, or add nothing to the squad and pay off his contract.

They can only play like their life depends on it.

[fiolex1]

Agree a win on Saturday means we are only one victory away from guaranteed European football till Christmas and depriving them of that position. Surely that should be all the motivation the team need. Get intae them.

Bang on mate

[gbhibby]

We also need to remember that we lost the play offs before the cup final in 2016 which meant another year in the championship.

[at last 61]

I was trying to get across that really apart from John mcginn we were very average and still won the cup, keep the faith 💚💚💚

[MWHIBBIES]

I was trying to get across that really apart from John mcginn we were very average and still won the cup, keep the faith 💚💚💚

We were not very average, though. That team was full of very good players. Gray, Hanlon, Mcgregor, Lewis, Stokes, Fyvie and McGeouch were all top SPL players in their careers. Henderson playing in Serie A. Fonts hundreds of games in English championship.

[flash]

They won't, though. Hearts never just "turn up" to derbies. They treat it as a battle to the death.

We keep losing because all we do is "turn up".

Agreed. Incredible how we have never win a single Derby as underdogs in our entire history.

[gbhibby]

We were not very average, though. That team was full of very good players. Gray, Hanlon, Mcgregor, Lewis, Stokes, Fyvie and McGeouch were all top SPL players in their careers. Henderson playing in Serie A. Fonts hundreds of games in English championship.
Couldn't beat Falkirk in the play offs though.

[Baader]

That 2016 side was full of leaders though. Not something you can say about the current squad.

[LunasBoots]

Wish I had hope, sadly I've been hoping every game for a while now and we just don't have it.

[Since90+2]

Couldn't beat Falkirk in the play offs though.

Won the Scottish cup. The second best prize in the whole of Scottish football.

[Shrekko]

The 2016 team blew hot and cold but it had players with balls like David Gray, Darren McGregor and Fraser Fyvie and a few mavericks (match-winners who were inconsistent but had it in them).

Who are our current match-winners?

[Shrekko]

Agreed. Incredible how we have never win a single Derby as underdogs in our entire history.


They say form book goes out the window in a derby - but it's has been incredibly rare for us to win a derby when it's not been reasonably expected. The night Riordan scored the pen at Tynie and the time we beat them 2-1 at ER when we were about to be relegated and they were chasing the title are the only 2 I can think off in fairly recent times where we've upset the form book.

[flash]

They say form book goes out the window in a derby - but it's has been incredibly rare for us to win a derby when it's not been reasonably expected. The night Riordan scored the pen at Tynie and the time we beat them 2-1 at ER when we were about to be relegated and they were chasing the title are the only 2 I can think off in fairly recent times where we've upset the form book.

High time for the next one then.

[MWHIBBIES]

Couldn't beat Falkirk in the play offs though.

Yes. We were the first team to lose a match despite having better players right enough.

[SHODAN]

They say form book goes out the window in a derby - but it's has been incredibly rare for us to win a derby when it's not been reasonably expected. The night Riordan scored the pen at Tynie and the time we beat them 2-1 at ER when we were about to be relegated and they were chasing the title are the only 2 I can think off in fairly recent times where we've upset the form book.

This century, derby record relative to each team's position (3 games not included as took place at the start of the season or record was equal):

Hearts above Hibs:
Hearts win: 19 (43%)
Draw: 12 (27%)
Hibs win: 13 (30%)

Hibs above Hearts:
Hibs win: 7 (21%)
Draw: 13 (38%)
Hearts win: 14 (41%)

[loanheadhibby]

I agree but there's one huge spoiler that we didn't know about at the time, there's a £100M player in the group you've listed, having him was like playing with 13 players.

The best player to have ever played for us. Don't even try and convince me I'm wrong!
You are wrong if you're talking about SJM.
Perhaps the best player you've seen play for Hibs.

[bigwheel]

I agree but there's one huge spoiler that we didn't know about at the time, there's a £100M player in the group you've listed, having him was like playing with 13 players.

The best player to have ever played for us. Don't even try and convince me I'm wrong!

SJM may be the best player in recent times… but he’s nowhere near the best ever….he’s not even the best we’ve sold to Villa…


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[ClermistonGreen]

SJM may be the best player in recent times… but he’s nowhere near the best ever….he’s not even the best we’ve sold to Villa…


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Bang on👍

[LaMotta]

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This century, derby record relative to each team's position (3 games not included as took place at the start of the season or record was equal):

Hearts above Hibs:
Hearts win: 19 (43%)
Draw: 12 (27%)
Hibs win: 13 (30%)

Hibs above Hearts:
Hibs win: 7 (21%)
Draw: 13 (38%)
Hearts win: 14 (41%)

Incredible stats - we really have shat the bed when we are better than them.

[basehibby]

See if Hearts turn up with 1% of that attitude in them then that's perfect for us. Sir Alex has said numerous times that complacency is like an unstoppable disease, you can't then flick that mindset in the moment.

I've said a hunner times, whoever loses the league game then wins the semi final.

I'll drink to that :cheers: :aok:

[SHODAN]

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Incredible stats - we really have shat the bed when we are better than them.

Small consolation that we're somehow more likely to win on Saturday based solely on that!

[Hibernian Verse]

Small consolation that we're somehow more likely to win on Saturday based solely on that!

It doesn't really matter how likely anything is. It's 90 mins of football and we are capable of winning.

[loanheadhibby]

We were not very average, though. That team was full of very good players. Gray, Hanlon, Mcgregor, Lewis, Stokes, Fyvie and McGeouch were all top SPL players in their careers. Henderson playing in Serie A. Fonts hundreds of games in English championship.
Hanlon, Stevenson and Fyvie were never top SPL players in a million years other than in your imagination.

[superfurryhibby]

Hanlon, Stevenson and Fyvie were never top SPL players in a million years other than in your imagination.

Boo.

Tiresome drivel, as always.

At least you’re consistent. A 0/10 every time you roast.

[stantonhibby]

Hanlon, Stevenson and Fyvie were never top SPL players in a million years other than in your imagination.

This is the thread for hope or some positivity. Plenty others for you to share your usual dreary, hibs hating drivel.

[MWHIBBIES]

Hanlon, Stevenson and Fyvie were never top SPL players in a million years other than in your imagination.

So sad you're unable to have any kind of constructive debate without just being rude.

Hanlon was a top spl player last season when he played every week in the side finishing 3rd. Both were excellent in the 17/18 season. Both Scottish cup winners. Lewis won both.

Back in your box until you can behave like an adult.

[SHODAN]

Hanlon, Stevenson and Fyvie were never top SPL players in a million years other than in your imagination.

And yet them winning the Scottish Cup actually happened.

[Keith_M]

They vast majority of them were very good players in Scottish football. Bizarre to put some of them down. That side would finish top 3 in the spl comfortably.



I think they'd walk all over our current side.

[gbhibby]

[QUOTE=MWHIBBIES;6921011]Yes. We were the first team to lose a match despite having better players right enough.
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