Be Constructive

[Key West]

Too many posters describing players and managerial staff as being mediocre and hopeless. Fine if you are less than happy with the situation so far but you could take in to account that the people involved are human beings with family, friends and relatives who might read this board, try to be less vitriolic and more constructive in your criticism. Those involved are attempting to improve matters, we've been a lot worse than we are now.

[H18 SFR]

Too many posters describing players and managerial staff as being mediocre and hopeless. Fine if you are less than happy with the situation so far but you could take in to account that the people involved are human beings with family, friends and relatives who might read this board, try to be less vitriolic and more constructive in your criticism. Those involved are attempting to improve matters, we've been a lot worse than we are now.

I agree with this.

[Rondon]

I k ow it’s embarrassing some of the pish I’m reading on here.

If people on here had their way there wouldn’t be a club left cos everyone would be sacked.

Maloneys not been great, but he’s taken over a squad who was set up not to lose every week. Boring as I’ve seen. Maloneys attacking minded and having had only 1 window, hasn’t been able to get a squad together to play the way he wants.

First job, loads of injuries, 3 months with an already crap team.

Not really sure what folk expect.

Now after the summer, we still play like this then we defo have a problem.

That was pathetic yesterday and no doubt we will be pathetic next week, but I’m not sure what you actually expect from this current team cos my expectations were low way before maloney came in.

I do think he should have brought in another couple of strikers but maybe they just weren’t there

[Key West]

I k ow it’s embarrassing some of the pish I’m reading on here.

If people on here had their way there wouldn’t be a club left cos everyone would be sacked.

Maloneys not been great, but he’s taken over a squad who was set up not to lose every week. Boring as I’ve seen. Maloneys attacking minded and having had only 1 window, hasn’t been able to get a squad together to play the way he wants.

First job, loads of injuries, 3 months with an already crap team.

Not really sure what folk expect.

Now after the summer, we still play like this then we defo have a problem.

That was pathetic yesterday and no doubt we will be pathetic next week, but I’m not sure what you actually expect from this current team cos my expectations were low way before maloney came in.

I do think he should have brought in another couple of strikers but maybe they just weren’t there

I agree yesterday we were physically and mentally weak when things went against us. That is something that I am sure that Maloney would be aware of this,having the ability of players like Porteous, Magennis and a fit and sharp Doidge would perhaps have resulted in a better outcome.

[Rondon]

I agree yesterday we were physically and mentally weak when things went against us. That is something that I am sure that Maloney would be aware of this,having the ability of players like Porteous, Magennis and a fit and sharp Doidge would perhaps have resulted in a better outcome.

Be careful if you don’t agree with people on here your a jambo apparently……

[500miles]

We were physically dominated yesterday. Some really nice play out of defence in the first half. Second half they got so tight to us, guys like Mueller, Jasper, Melkerson couldn't get on the ball. Wright had the experience and build to hold them off, and when we lost him it was entirely boys against men.

I do think those boys have a lot of potential, but it'll take time. And hopefully they can gain a bit of confidence in the bottom six games rather than struggling every week against the top six.

[Bostonhibby]

Be careful if you don’t agree with people on here your a jambo apparently……I don't agree with you here[emoji6]

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[Greenbeard]

Too many posters describing players and managerial staff as being mediocre and hopeless. Fine if you are less than happy with the situation so far but you could take in to account that the people involved are human beings with family, friends and relatives who might read this board, try to be less vitriolic and more constructive in your criticism. Those involved are attempting to improve matters, we've been a lot worse than we are now.
Football wouldn't be football if it wasn't for fan criticism. It's part and parcel of being a pro footballer. What the f... is this PC world coming to if we can't vent our fan frustration on boards like this which are designed for the fans, not for the players. Away ye go and hug a tree.

[Rondon]

I don't agree with you here[emoji6]

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Well we all know what end you’ll be sitting in next week then……..😂

Joke btw, some folk on here get proper angry when you say something they don’t agree with it’s embarrassing

[Northernhibee]

I don’t think it’s personal to call our manager mediocre and hopeless. Results have been mediocre and his decisions have been hopeless. We’ve been left without hope for the rest of the season.

I’d say that on evidence, mediocre and hopeless are absolutely constructive.

[J-C]

Maloney needs time, he's having to use a squad riddled with injuries and some very average players who are not good enough, he tried to shore things up in January but as we can see this was just to tide us over till the summer.

I would like to see Maloney play 433/4231 or at least play players in their correct position and then get the players he needs to play his 343, Doig at LCH is baffling but maybe they see him as Hanlon's natural successor. I see little difference in recent performances to the ones Ross had them playing when he got emptied, so for me it's all down to the players and we just have to admit the majority are not good enough, time for a clear out and a new start in the summer.

[Bostonhibby]

Well we all know what end you’ll be sitting in next week then……..[emoji23]

Joke btw, some folk on here get proper angry when you say something they don’t agree with it’s embarrassing

[emoji106] I hear you.

See you in the Thieves end.

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[500miles]

By the way, how regular have we had goalscorers get injured this season? Doidge scores, injured, magennis scored, injured, Mitchell scores, injured, Wright scores, injured. Didn't JDH get injured after his double?

It's been an absolutely cursed season.

[Rondon]

By the way, how regular have we had goalscorers get injured this season? Doidge scores, injured, magennis scored, injured, Mitchell scores, injured, Wright scores, injured. Didn't JDH get injured after his double?

It's been an absolutely cursed season.

Exactly why people need to get off Maloneys back

[Paulie Walnuts]

Maloney needs time, he's having to use a squad riddled with injuries and some very average players who are not good enough, he tried to shore things up in January but as we can see this was just to tide us over till the summer.

I would like to see Maloney play 433/4231 or at least play players in their correct position and then get the players he needs to play his 343, Doig at LCH is baffling but maybe they see him as Hanlon's natural successor. I see little difference in recent performances to the ones Ross had them playing when he got emptied, so for me it's all down to the players and we just have to admit the majority are not good enough, time for a clear out and a new start in the summer.

The majority of the players are definitely not good enough for top 4 imo. Looking at the squad I’d say:

Macey
Dabrowski

Rocky
Hanlon
McGinn
McGregor

Wright
Henderson
JDH
Campbell
Allan

Jasper
Scott
Doidge since his return from injury

Are all not top 4 standard imo. That’s 14 players.

After that we’ve got Melkersen who is a 19 year old laddie, Mitchell who it’s pretty hard to say either way yet, Mueller who’s still adapting to Scottish football, Magennis who’s never fit and Porteous who’s always suspended and Nisbet out for the season and it’s no wonder we are where we are.

The only players who are reliable and look like they could be genuine regular starters for a top 4 side are Newell and Clarke imo.

[gegs70]

We need to change it put James Scott on with Melkerson.... He can't do it all himself. Midfield is still poor, Perhaps Stevenson needs added. 1 shot on target yesterday says it all we need to be direct and shoot on sight of goal....was getting so fed up of possesion based football fine if you are 2-3 goals up but its just passive football if it leads nowhere!!

[Key West]

Football wouldn't be football if it wasn't for fan criticism. It's part and parcel of being a pro footballer. What the f... is this PC world coming to if we can't vent our fan frustration on boards like this which are designed for the fans, not for the players. Away ye go and hug a tree.

We need trees to stay alive.😇

[GordonHFC]

I'm resigned to thinking that SM can't do what he wants to do with the players he currently has. He also seems to be confident that he can get players in this summer that can. I am prepared to allow him time to put in place what he needs to do. We obviously need a clear out but must get our shocking recruitment sorted out

[easty]

Exactly why people need to get off Maloneys back

If next week goes the way it’s likely to, he’ll not have to worry about anyone getting on his back cos there won’t be many folk turning up for the remaining games.

[mcfly]

Too many posters describing players and managerial staff as being mediocre and hopeless. Fine if you are less than happy with the situation so far but you could take in to account that the people involved are human beings with family, friends and relatives who might read this board, try to be less vitriolic and more constructive in your criticism. Those involved are attempting to improve matters, we've been a lot worse than we are now.

Football is a passionate game and fans are the vocal when they feel
Let down.

Sadly the players don’t show that same passion.

We were physically bullied yesterday- watch the first goal and see how weak our club captain looked.

we just aren’t good enough and poor recruiting is going to cost us.

This isn’t new new though. We have 1 good season and 5 poor ones.

It’s the hibs way. As a club we accept mediocrity and that needs to stop.

Maloney has to be brave in the summer and clear out these players

[Since452]

Exactly why people need to get off Maloneys back

If people weren't on his back then he'd just go on loving everything and thinking things were ok. I don't care who is manager or what our injury list is like the pish being served up isn't good enough. This isn't Celtic B team or putting out cones for Belgium. He deserves the flack

[Key West]

Football is a passionate game and fans are the vocal when they feel
Let down.

Sadly the players don’t show that same passion.

We were physically bullied yesterday- watch the first goal and see how weak our club captain looked.

we just aren’t good enough and poor recruiting is going to cost us.

This isn’t new new though. We have 1 good season and 5 poor ones.

It’s the hibs way. As a club we accept mediocrity and that needs to stop.

Maloney has to be brave in the summer and clear out these players

In context not good enough would be acceptable but mediocre in my opinion is over the top.

[Northernhibee]

In context not good enough would be acceptable but mediocre in my opinion is over the top.

Mediocre means “of average quality”.

Mediocre is ridiculously kind.

[Rondon]

If people weren't on his back then he'd just go on loving everything and thinking things were ok. I don't care who is manager or what our injury list is like the pish being served up isn't good enough. This isn't Celtic B team or putting out cones for Belgium. He deserves the flack

Of course he deserves criticism, 1 win in 13 isn’t good enough, it’s relegation form isn’t it.

But there are other factors behind it.

Now we get to so to oct/nov and nothings changed he will then deserve the criticism he’s getting right now

[CentreLine]

Football wouldn't be football if it wasn't for fan criticism. It's part and parcel of being a pro footballer. What the f... is this PC world coming to if we can't vent our fan frustration on boards like this which are designed for the fans, not for the players. Away ye go and hug a tree.

That’s really part of the problem. Fans maybe feel they should spend an afternoon criticising their own players.
Supporters, on the other hand, go along to support their team. We have way too many fans and not enough supporters.

[WestStandWillie]

Fans are paying money to continually be beaten down by the club they love. They are more than entitled to let off some steam. The admin on here do a good job and will remove anything that’s below the belt.

[CentreLine]

Fans are paying money to continually be beaten down by the club they love. They are more than entitled to let off some steam. The admin on here do a good job and will remove anything that’s below the belt.

And not there to lift the team? Fair enough

[Greenbeard]

That’s really part of the problem. Fans maybe feel they should spend an afternoon criticising their own players.
Supporters, on the other hand, go along to support their team. We have way too many fans and not enough supporters.
So I'm just a fan, eh?

[LaMotta]

And not there to lift the team? Fair enough

All the fans around me tried to lift the team yesterday, singing constantly for 45 mins. The team responded with a ****in dreadful 2nd half performance. Are those same fans not allowed to then come on a fans forum and offer their views on that and just say unlucky chaps?

As for the OP and players coming on here to read things, any player firing up Hibs.net or going on to Twitter after a woeful derby defeat would need their head checked.

[chrisski33]

Too many posters describing players and managerial staff as being mediocre and hopeless. Fine if you are less than happy with the situation so far but you could take in to account that the people involved are human beings with family, friends and relatives who might read this board, try to be less vitriolic and more constructive in your criticism. Those involved are attempting to improve matters, we've been a lot worse than we are now.

we have been alot better too! maybe the players are mediocre compared to other teams? i wouldnt class them as hopeless as they are far better players than many posters on here! sadly there does not seem to be any improvemant via the new management so rightly fans are upset

[Tully]

Maybe the players should come on .net they maybe get a sense that what we've watched for months, you work with what you have at your disposal and play a system to suit, we have constantly played players out of position and used players not gd enough, 2nd half yesterday was just a continuation of how we have been for months, not the first time we have shown no great desire to win a derby and until the mindset changes from top to bottom at hibs sadly won't be the last

[Real Emerald]

Too many posters describing players and managerial staff as being mediocre and hopeless. Fine if you are less than happy with the situation so far but you could take in to account that the people involved are human beings with family, friends and relatives who might read this board, try to be less vitriolic and more constructive in your criticism. Those involved are attempting to improve matters, we've been a lot worse than we are now.

Unfortunately the down side of this will be a huge drop in season ticket sales, being nice has gone now.

[loanheadhibby]

In context not good enough would be acceptable but mediocre in my opinion is over the top.
You must be joking, mediocre is flattering most of them.

[CentreLine]

So I'm just a fan, eh?

No idea but I think maybe you need to look up the definition of “support”

[Nicho87]

This seasons kit is nice

[shetlandhibee]

If people weren't on his back then he'd just go on loving everything and thinking things were ok. I don't care who is manager or what our injury list is like the pish being served up isn't good enough. This isn't Celtic B team or putting out cones for Belgium. He deserves the flack:top marksim kinda in this camp,,and not sure about lets see what he does in the summer either,, :confused:

[Swedish hibee]

It's the same folks who wanted butcher in, Lennon, Higginbottom etc out and got their wishes with Ross gone. It's certainly not great AT ALL but we've been through worse, and will go through worse again. So get your scarf on, support the team Saturday and let's see what happens..

[Hibby70]

I saw Joe Newell coming towards me walking his dog. I had loads of thoughts of passing on my feelings about the derby, Maloney, Caldwell and Gordon as I approached.

My dog sniffed his dogs arse and I continued on my journey without saying a word. Probably for the best.

[hibbydog]

I found £2 down the back of my chair in the second half

[Greenbeard]

I saw Joe Newell coming towards me walking his dog. I had loads of thoughts of passing on my feelings about the derby, Maloney, Caldwell and Gordon as I approached.

My dog sniffed his dogs arse and I continued on my journey without saying a word. Probably for the best.
They say dogs are like their owners. Did his dog keep going backwards or walking round in circles going nowhere?
EDit: Actually that's a bit unfair on JN who was better than most on Sat

[Ronniekirk]

Given the thread title is being constructive
Porto returns and Bombscare Bushiri drops out Porto improves the defence and can play passes forward setting up attacks
Stevenson has to start gives us 100 percent and still got a good engine in him won’t just give up when the going gets tough
Maloney is under pressure and this may just force him into thinking out the box and utilising our strengths
He has to find right system that allows us to get the best out of Doig Cadden and Clarke going forward
Doidge may play a part if fit but probably from the bench
Campbell needs rested
Jasper to come on as sun and find the form he showed first half. V MOTHERWELL
Show desire win 50 50 s fight for the jersey
Be confident Persevere and someone please drive into the box and take a player on we might just get a penalty
Get JHD s Girlfiend and mates across so he scores two goals



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[Spike Mandela]

1 win in 13 league games in 2022……………..unbeaten in cup games 2022

[Jones28]

I think we have the players to deploy a better formation, one that gives us better midfield options and allows for 2 strikers, the wide men we want and 2 strikers. 5-3-2.

Macey in goal.

Cadden and Doig RWB and LWB respectively.

Clarke, Porteous and Hanlon across the back.

Stevenson, Newall and Doyle-Hayes as a middle 3, maybe Wright instead of Stevenson.

A front 2 of Doidge/Mueller/Melkerson.

No James Scott, ever ever ever again.

Edited Clarke in - thanks Ronaldo7

[GRA]

We've got Porto back next week, one of our most consistent performers this season. Provided he doesn't do anything rash our defence should be a lot more solid than on Saturday :aok:

[ronaldo7]

I think we have the players to deploy a better formation, one that gives us better midfield options and allows for 2 strikers, the wide men we want and 2 strikers. 5-3-2.

Macey in goal.

Cadden and Doig RWB and LWB respectively.

Bushiri, Porteous and Hanlon across the back.

Stevenson, Newall and Doyle-Hayes as a middle 3, maybe Wright instead of Stevenson.

A front 2 of Doidge/Mueller/Melkerson.

No James Scott, ever ever ever again.

Harry Clarke walks into that team, imo. One of the only pass marks from Saturday.

[Jones28]

Harry Clarke walks into that team, imo. One of the only pass marks from Saturday.

Forgot about him, Bushiri out for Clarke.

[Steve20]

Too many posters describing players and managerial staff as being mediocre and hopeless. Fine if you are less than happy with the situation so far but you could take in to account that the people involved are human beings with family, friends and relatives who might read this board, try to be less vitriolic and more constructive in your criticism. Those involved are attempting to improve matters, we've been a lot worse than we are now.

That's ok then. Keep up the garbage displays, lads.

Are they trying to improve? I watched a group of players down tools on Saturday because it got a bit difficult.

[madhatter]

I think we have the players to deploy a better formation, one that gives us better midfield options and allows for 2 strikers, the wide men we want and 2 strikers. 5-3-2.

Macey in goal.

Cadden and Doig RWB and LWB respectively.

Bushiri, Porteous and Hanlon across the back.

Stevenson, Newall and Doyle-Hayes as a middle 3, maybe Wright instead of Stevenson.

A front 2 of Doidge/Mueller/Melkerson.

No James Scott, ever ever ever again.

I don't think we can setup with a narrow 3 in midfield. We went to something that looked like a 532 when Campbell came on as he simply had no influence as a winger/number 10 and dropped deeper than Wright had been. Mueller went more central with Melkersen and we got obliterated as JDH, Campbell and Newell are not very mobile and recovery runs back into position following a failed press were lethargic, to put it kindly. The wings were wide open. Their 3rd goal was due to our CMs being dragged out wide which left a gaping hole in the middle.

I'd prefer a diamond with Stevenson at the base, he is the most responsible when it comes to keeping shape and holding position. He's actually probably close to being one of our best midfielders, knows when to push further up or to act as a pivot. That or a 442 with Stevenson and Cadden playing in the wide positions, infront of Doig and Clarke.

[Key West]

That's ok then. Keep up the garbage displays, lads.

Are they trying to improve? I watched a group of players down tools on Saturday because it got a bit difficult.

Far from being OK.

[Lago]

I don’t think it’s personal to call our manager mediocre and hopeless. Results have been mediocre and his decisions have been hopeless. We’ve been left without hope for the rest of the season.

I’d say that on evidence, mediocre and hopeless are absolutely constructive.
They were mediocre and hopeless from the seasons start, our so called European campaign was a joke.

[snedzuk]

I saw Joe Newell coming towards me walking his dog. I had loads of thoughts of passing on my feelings about the derby, Maloney, Caldwell and Gordon as I approached.

My dog sniffed his dogs arse and I continued on my journey without saying a word. Probably for the best.

In probably Sept 1973 I saw Drew Busby in Gorgie Road - I would have been 14 and on my way to tynecastle to get a ticket for the Derby. I said to Busby - another 7-0 on the cards Drew? And he told me to eff off. No ***** were sniffed.