The Players

[B.H.F.C]

Got one manger sacked.

Going to get another one the sack.

The way they capitulate when something goes against us is horrible.

Talk of Newell and JDH being ‘top’ midfielders is surely put to bed?

Every single player went missing today and for all the criticism that Maloney (and Ross before him have had) they have been consistently terrible.

[Northernhibee]

Maloney will be responsible for getting Maloney sacked.

He’s clearly asking players to do things they can’t do and he’s either too stubborn or too stupid to change it.

[Nicho87]

The constant handing out of contracts to players not deserving is a club problem

JDH
Newell
Campbell
Doidge
McGregor
Gray

Based on what form I don’t know

[MWHIBBIES]

Newell is a quality player. We're in bad form but that doesn't make everyone hopeless.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Our squad is terrible.

Unless we’re getting a manager in that’s way above our level then the next man will have the same issues. 10-15 of this squad are bottom six standard at best. A good few of them are a lot worse than that.

[B.H.F.C]

The constant handing out of contracts to players not deserving is a club problem

JDH
Newell
Campbell
Doidge
McGregor
Gray

Based on what form I don’t know

Totally agree.

[SeanWilson]

Newell is a quality player. We're in bad form but that doesn't make everyone hopeless.

Newell is a charlatan. He’d not even make the yams bench.

[The Modfather]

It’s actually quicker to list what we’ve got to work with. A defence of Macey, Doig, Hanlon, Porteous & Clarke is a solid enough starting point. Everything in front of that needs a root and branch clear out to varying degrees.

Give Melkerson a partner, sign a functioning midfield as a priority and buy 2 wingbacks that can actually create if we want to play with wingbacks as our sole width.

Too many players are better on paper than reality. Doidge, Newell, Nisbet, JDH, Cadden.

Too many are either lightweight or only ever show the odd glimpse; Henderson, Jasper, Mueller.

Then there’s those that are not doing much more than blocking the pathway of a talented U18 team: Scott, Wright, Campbell & Allan.

Maloney is making a poor fist of the job so far and will do well to survive until the summer. However he inherited a bad hand from Ross. What we’re seeing is the reality of a Martin Boyle-less Hibs.

I think it’s telling that our best player and someone we’re all pining for is a guy who has had a string of single digit games at the start of this season where he was good from the 2 years he’s been here.

[Callum_62]

Newell is a charlatan. He’d not even make the yams bench.[emoji23][emoji23] Sure he wouldn't

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[B.H.F.C]

[emoji23][emoji23] Sure he wouldn't

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How’s he done in his midfield performances against them?

Don’t think he’s got a win.

A ‘quality’ player that does a lot without doing anything.

[kaimendhibs]

Newell is a very good player surrounded by keek

[Paulie Walnuts]

How’s he done in his midfield performances against them?

Don’t think he’s got a win.

A ‘quality’ player that does a lot without doing anything.

I think Newell is decent. No more than that though.

He wouldn’t be a guaranteed starter for Hearts, that’s for sure.

[Callum_62]

How’s he done in his midfield performances against them?

Don’t think he’s got a win.

A ‘quality’ player that does a lot without doing anything.MoM at Easter Road the last game IMO

Hes far and away our best midfielder and one of the few that shows any composure

We have defintely beaten hearts since Newell joined - tynecastle 2019 for sure

I'm not sure either way how that proves he wouldn't even get in the hearts squad,. Which imo is pretty ludicrous



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[delbert]

The constant handing out of contracts to players not deserving is a club problem

JDH
Newell
Campbell
Doidge
McGregor
Gray

Based on what form I don’t know

You can add our club captain to that list as well, never a leader, never a centre half and was anyone remotely surprised to see Hanlon bullied off the ball to allow a ridiculously soft equalising goal seconds before half time, a career full of moments like this and two in the last week, always gave 100% but it’s never been quite good enough and utterly embarrassed in the last seven days, just sums up mediocrity of our club from top to bottom right now.

[mokie]

Got one manger sacked.

Going to get another one the sack.

The way they capitulate when something goes against us is horrible.

Talk of Newell and JDH being ‘top’ midfielders is surely put to bed?

Every single player went missing today and for all the criticism that Maloney (and Ross before him have had) they have been consistently terrible.

Paul Hanlon has had a lot of managers sacked.

[davym7062]

You can add our club captain to that list as well, never a leader, never a centre half and was anyone remotely surprised to see Hanlon bullied off the ball to allow a ridiculously soft equalising goal seconds before half time, a career full of moments like this and two in the last week, always gave 100% but it’s never been quite good enough and utterly embarrassed in the last seven days, just sums up mediocrity of our club from top to bottom right now.

totally agree, weak a s a kitten

[B.H.F.C]

MoM at Easter Road the last game IMO

Hes far and away our best midfielder and one of the few that shows any composure

We have defintely beaten hearts since Newell joined - tynecastle 2019 for sure

I'm not sure either way how that proves he wouldn't even get in the hearts squad,. Which imo is pretty ludicrous



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Fantastic, we’ll always have that 0-0 draw where he played well for an hour.

I agree he’s our best midfielder, which is kind of the point of the thread. Totally disappeared today when something went against us.

[Callum_62]

Fantastic, we’ll always have that 0-0 draw where he played well for an hour.

I agree he’s our best midfielder, which is kind of the point of the thread. Totally disappeared today when something went against us.Il give you that hearts dominated but football doenst work like that

They dominated so player x must be pish

We need to find a better balance in midfield but Newell is a piece of the jigsaw I wouldn't be changing



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[B.H.F.C]

Il give you that hearts dominated but football doenst work like that

They dominated so player x must be pish

We need to find a better balance in midfield but Newell is a piece of the jigsaw I wouldn't be changing



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Another game where someone is pish but it’s not their fault.

It’s not about x being pish. We’ve struggled in that area of the pitch all season.

Wasn’t intended a a Newell bashing thread but I just don’t see this quality player that others do.

Manager(s) get a lot of criticism but it’s two terrible league seasons out of three since Ron came in, despite all the chat from him. Saying the same things today as we were just over two years ago, against the same opponents.

[the_ginger_hibee]

You can add our club captain to that list as well, never a leader, never a centre half and was anyone remotely surprised to see Hanlon bullied off the ball to allow a ridiculously soft equalising goal seconds before half time, a career full of moments like this and two in the last week, always gave 100% but it’s never been quite good enough and utterly embarrassed in the last seven days, just sums up mediocrity of our club from top to bottom right now.

Ah but he's a nice guy and has been here for ages. That automatically means he's a good player. Things like form, relegations, week in week out mistakes mean nothing. This guy is Hibs through and through. What more do you need?

[Callum_62]

Another game where someone is pish but it’s not their fault.

It’s not about x being pish. We’ve struggled in that area of the pitch all season.

Wasn’t intended a a Newell bashing thread but I just don’t see this quality player that others do.

Manager(s) get a lot of criticism but it’s two terrible league seasons out of three since Ron came in, despite all the chat from him. Saying the same things today as we were just over two years ago, against the same opponents.Someone can be pish in a game, doenst make them a bad player

Newell certainly isn't a bad player

On Ron - Historically he isn't doing as bad as seems really

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[MWHIBBIES]

How’s he done in his midfield performances against them?

Don’t think he’s got a win.

A ‘quality’ player that does a lot without doing anything.
Except that game he won, he has no wins. Played well in the last Derby. Won a penalty in last year's semi.

Quality player. Boring scapegoat. 2/10. Try harder.

[B.H.F.C]

Except that game he won, he has no wins. Played well in the last Derby. Won a penalty in last year's semi.

Quality player. Boring scapegoat. 2/10. Try harder.

You relentlessly bang on about players being ‘quality’.

All these quality players in a terrible team.

Also not scapegoating anyone. There wasn’t a Hibs player on that pitch who would get in to that Hearts team yesterday and they capitulate at the first sign of trouble.

[B.H.F.C]

Someone can be pish in a game, doenst make them a bad player

Newell certainly isn't a bad player

On Ron - Historically he isn't doing as bad as seems really

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Two bottom half finishes out of three league campaigns and a fan base that is losing interest rapidly. Good for you if you think he’s doing well.

[loanheadhibby]

Newell is a quality player. We're in bad form but that doesn't make everyone hopeless.

If you think Newell is a quality player, I think that reflects on your ability to judge a footballer. If he’s quality, how come we’re bottom 6? His quality should be pulling us thru games.

You see the positives in Hibs which is great, but surely you have to acknowledge we need better than Newell?

[loanheadhibby]

You relentlessly bang on about players being ‘quality’.

All these quality players in a terrible team.

Also not scapegoating anyone. There wasn’t a Hibs player on that pitch who would get in to that Hearts team yesterday and they capitulate at the first sign of trouble.

Sadly agree with everything you say. When Andy Halliday is rag dolling our midfield, you know you’re in big trouble.

There is and always has been a softness in our club when the going gets tough.

[Pretty Boy]

Newell is a good player, I can be a critic of him but with the right players around him he will be just fine. The issue is he is playing alongside Dylan McGeouch if you order him from Wish and A N Other every week. He'd almost be as well playing alone.

What I found baffling yesterday was for 15 minutes we were in Hearts faces, pressing the ball and they did not like it one bit. Their players were nervy on the ball and the fans were starting to turn. And of course that had us 1 up. Then we started sitting off them, they started finding time on the ball and they cut us open with relative ease on 5 or 6 ocassions. I'm not sure if it was under instruction or a natural reaction to defending a lead but the complete lack of energy, particularly after they equalised, was frightening.

[Callum_62]

Two bottom half finishes out of three league campaigns and a fan base that is losing interest rapidly. Good for you if you think he’s doing well.It didn't say he was doing well

He is not doing as badly as you would think based on our actual historic league finishes

Obviously we want better (when have we not) but we are currntly being hibs of the last 2 decades

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[Key West]

Our squad is terrible.

Unless we’re getting a manager in that’s way above our level then the next man will have the same issues. 10-15 of this squad are bottom six standard at best. A good few of them are a lot worse than that.

And the rest of the teams have fantastic squads with no weaknesses?

[B.H.F.C]

It didn't say he was doing well

He is not doing as badly as you would think based on our actual historic league finishes

Obviously we want better (when have we not) but we are currntly being hibs of the last 2 decades

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We’ve failed to meet the main, publicly stated objective two years out of three.

Anyway, there’s other threads about Ron, Ben and so on.

The main point I was trying to make with this one is that for all the stick aimed elsewhere, a lot of our players just aren’t very good.

[Paulie Walnuts]

And the rest of the teams have fantastic squads with no weaknesses?

Of course they have weaknesses

Relative to budget though I’d suggest we’ve arguably built the worst squad in the league although Aberdeen could lay claim to that as well.

Our squad is full of players who are being hugely overpaid and I’d imagine can’t quite believe they’ve got a contract at Hibs.

[Rondon]

Got one manger sacked.

Going to get another one the sack.

The way they capitulate when something goes against us is horrible.

Talk of Newell and JDH being ‘top’ midfielders is surely put to bed?

Every single player went missing today and for all the criticism that Maloney (and Ross before him have had) they have been consistently terrible.

I’ve got an idea, why don’t we just sack the manager, players, coaches, owner, dinner lady etc and pick a team of .net players etc seeing as everyone on here is so good at football and management…….

[NC1875]

When your midfield is being bossed by Andy Halliday and Peter Haring you know it’s not a very good midfield.

As for Newell being quality. He’s the best of a bad bunch but miles away from being quality.

[Key West]

Of course they have weaknesses

Relative to budget though I’d suggest we’ve arguably built the worst squad in the league although Aberdeen could lay claim to that as well.

Our squad is full of players who are being hugely overpaid and I’d imagine can’t quite believe they’ve got a contract at Hibs.

The budget that Celtic have would improve the team a lot quicker, the money that we spend would not make us significantly much better than the rest in my opinion.
Regardless of how much we spend it doesn't mean a lot when you are picking up injuries on the level we have this season, this is not an excuse for being bottom 6 but a reason.

[GRA]

Sadly agree with everything you say. When Andy Halliday is rag dolling our midfield, you know you’re in big trouble.

There is and always has been a softness in our club when the going gets tough.

Bar a few exceptions when we had the likes of Lenny in charge and McGinn in midfield the softness is all to apparent sadly.

Halliday said it yesterday he had characters beside him in the Hearts squad. First 25 minutes they were being outplayed, a goal down and fans were getting restless. Then they tweaked formation, fought back, dominated and we had no answer. Can you see this current Hibs team doing that?

I'll give Maloney time to assemble his squad and show he can sign players who have some balls. Because most in this current squad have none at all.

[B.H.F.C]

Bar a few exceptions when we had the likes of Lenny in charge and McGinn in midfield the softness is all to apparent sadly.

Halliday said it yesterday he had characters beside him in the Hearts squad. First 25 minutes they were being outplayed, a goal down and fans were getting restless. Then they tweaked formation, fought back, dominated and we had no answer. Can you see this current Hibs team doing that?

I'll give Maloney time to assemble his squad and show he can sign players who have some balls. Because most in this current squad have none at all.

As soon as they got the goal yesterday it was inevitable how the game would go. Lack of quality in the team and lack of character, despite them all being ‘top’ professionals.

[J-C]

Maloney will be responsible for getting Maloney sacked.

He’s clearly asking players to do things they can’t do and he’s either too stubborn or too stupid to change it.


What like, control a ball, pass the ball to a colleague, concentrate, tackle properly, keep their shape and above all else fight for the cause. These are the basics of football and I'd expect our players to be able to do nearly all of these things. What we see is misplaced passes, players shirking out of tackles, players not marking their opponents.

[Northernhibee]

What like, control a ball, pass the ball to a colleague, concentrate, tackle properly, keep their shape and above all else fight for the cause. These are the basics of football and I'd expect our players to be able to do nearly all of these things. What we see is misplaced passes, players shirking out of tackles, players not marking their opponents.

A clear lack of clarity in their roles on the pitch. We’ve had Cadden at CB. Campbell at LWB. James Scott on the pitch. Utterly baffling subs. I don’t think the players have the foggiest what they’re supposed to be doing or where they’re supposed to be and that comes down to a failure of the manager.

[B.H.F.C]

A clear lack of clarity in their roles on the pitch. We’ve had Cadden at CB. Campbell at LWB. James Scott on the pitch. Utterly baffling subs. I don’t think the players have the foggiest what they’re supposed to be doing or where they’re supposed to be and that comes down to a failure of the manager.

I think Maloney deserves plenty criticism for keeping doing the same thing.

But I don’t think there was any complexity or confusion in terms of how we were set up. It was working, we were playing well, but then just totally folded as soon as we had something go against us. The things that cost us yesterday were not doing the most basic, fundamental things you need to do in any game of football, never mind a derby. Hanlon getting ragdolled by the centre forward, leaving Kingsley totally free at the back post and the complete lack of any energy, drive and determination when we went behind weren’t down to tactics IMO (although I do think he had to change something second half).

Something else that I thought was telling. When Kingsley scored they announced it was his sixth of the season. He’s a defender but that’s only a few less than our entire starting team from yesterday.

[MWHIBBIES]

If you think Newell is a quality player, I think that reflects on your ability to judge a footballer. If he’s quality, how come we’re bottom 6? His quality should be pulling us thru games.

You see the positives in Hibs which is great, but surely you have to acknowledge we need better than Newell?

God awful logic that is. Some Hibs players who have finished bottom 6 just in the last 20 years

Leigh Griffiths
Scott Brown
Derek Riordan
Kevin Thomson
Scott Allan
Martin Boyle
David Gray


John Mcginn finished 3rd in the championship...


I'm quite happy with the things Newell has achieved when surrounded by good players, and when the team have been in good form (last season)

We need better than some of the crap we have, and better performances from the good players we have.

[JimBHibees]

Got one manger sacked.

Going to get another one the sack.

The way they capitulate when something goes against us is horrible.

Talk of Newell and JDH being ‘top’ midfielders is surely put to bed?

Every single player went missing today and for all the criticism that Maloney (and Ross before him have had) they have been consistently terrible.

Tend to agree that second half is as bad as it's been there totally spineless. Only pass marks for me were probably Newell and Clarke. Rest didn't look fit strong or sharp enough to compete. Both Rocky and Mueller would be out the squad never mind the team next week. Total lack of leadership or bottle. Lewis needs to come in. Play Clarke rcb play Doig left mid or left back. Would consider starting one of the young forwards in a 2 up front with Melkerson. Pathetic performance and only so much you can put on the coach imo as players just showed zero backbone.

[JimBHibees]

When your midfield is being bossed by Andy Halliday and Peter Haring you know it’s not a very good midfield.

As for Newell being quality. He’s the best of a bad bunch but miles away from being quality.

Your first line says it all.

[MWHIBBIES]

Tend to agree that second half is as bad as it's been there totally spineless. Only pass marks for me were probably Newell and Clarke. Rest didn't look fit strong or sharp enough to compete. Both Rocky and Mueller would be out the squad never mind the team next week. Total lack of leadership or bottle. Lewis needs to come in. Play Clarke rcb play Doig left mid or left back. Would consider starting one of the young forwards in a 2 up front with Melkerson. Pathetic performance and only so much you can put on the coach imo as players just showed zero backbone.


Agree with most of this

There is no way a side of

Macey

Cadden - Clarke - Porteous - Hanlon - Doig

Newell - Lewis

Henderson

Melkersen - Doidge

Is as bad as folk are making out. That would be my prefered side for next week, but fitness a problem for Doidge.

[MWHIBBIES]

When your midfield is being bossed by Andy Halliday and Peter Haring you know it’s not a very good midfield.

As for Newell being quality. He’s the best of a bad bunch but miles away from being quality.

John McGinn and Dylan McGeouch got bossed in the championship by Halliday and Jason Holt. They also bossed them in the final and other games. Its almost as if you cannot win every match.

[Tambo]

Maloney blasting the players it seems yesterday saying not good enough for top 6 never mind Europe.

The talk is cheap for me as we have heard it a lot the past few years.

The players was good enough for 44 minutes but then I have no idea what happened.

[The Modfather]

Agree with most of this

There is no way a side of

Macey

Cadden - Clarke - Porteous - Hanlon - Doig

Newell - Lewis

Henderson

Melkersen - Doidge

Is as bad as folk are making out. That would be my prefered side for next week, but fitness a problem for Doidge.

It might not be as bad as is being made out, and for the next game as a one off it’s maybe close to our best set up from limited options. However there’s still no goals or creativity in that lineup.

[mcfly]

You can add our club captain to that list as well, never a leader, never a centre half and was anyone remotely surprised to see Hanlon bullied off the ball to allow a ridiculously soft equalising goal seconds before half time, a career full of moments like this and two in the last week, always gave 100% but it’s never been quite good enough and utterly embarrassed in the last seven days, just sums up mediocrity of our club from top to bottom right now.

Totally agree.

Got a new contract as well. Ridiculous

Bullied yesterday. But no real surprise as it’s happened plenty times before. Manager needs to be ruthless and move these players on.

[18Craig75]

Agree with most of this

There is no way a side of

Macey

Cadden - Clarke - Porteous - Hanlon - Doig

Newell - Lewis

Henderson

Melkersen - Doidge

Is as bad as folk are making out. That would be my prefered side for next week, but fitness a problem for Doidge.

I submitted a question at the Q&A on Tuesday regarding playing 3-5-2. Was totally polite and fair I thought. Basically said our most successfull times recently have come playing 3-5-2, Doidge for one has flourished in that formation. Do you feel you don’t have the players to play it or is it a case of thinking 4-3-3 will come good. Or words to that effect.

The question didn’t get asked, noticed that Caldwell was vetting them before they were given to Maloney. Still we managed to find out if he had seen the new Batman and what his favourite cereal and soup is.

[dp00]

We are struggling for goals and the development team players have been banging them in … yet we haven’t seen any of them given even a sniff of a chance


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[Northernhibee]

When two or three players are playing well below standard, it’s absolutely logically reasonable to blame the players.

When it’s pretty much the entire squad then logically you have to look up.

[mokie]

Totally agree.

Got a new contract as well. Ridiculous

Bullied yesterday. But no real surprise as it’s happened plenty times before. Manager needs to be ruthless and move these players on.

Don't forget his part in the third also.. Instead of getting out to Andy Halliday , he backs and backs off allowing Halliday to advance , set himself and let the shot off.

Utterly horrendous defending in so many ways..

[The Modfather]

We are struggling for goals and the development team players have been banging them in … yet we haven’t seen any of them given even a sniff of a chance


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I’ve had a bed in my bonnet all season about that. Why are we giving minutes to the likes of Scott who is contributing nothing. The U18s might not be ready but they wouldn’t be anymore out of their depth than Scott’s cameos. They might even seize the chance and if not benefit from the experience.

What have we got to lose by giving them minutes. We won’t score any fewer goals or gather fewer points. I know it’s not as simple as just throwing youngsters in and we’ve brought Kean in to bridge the gap between youth and first team. However it really bugs me that Celtc, Aberdeen, St Mirren & Dundee Utd have all gave minutes and starts to 16 and 17 year olds yet there’s some unique set of circumstances where it’s harder to bring our U18s in when we’ve got so few options in their position and having to persist with the likes of Scott.

[B.H.F.C]

When two or three players are playing well below standard, it’s absolutely logically reasonable to blame the players.

When it’s pretty much the entire squad then logically you have to look up.

Manager can’t take the blame for lack of effort, application and desire they showed in the second half yesterday. It was as bad as anything I’ve ever seen and that side of it is totally on the players for me.

[LewysGot2]

Who is responsible for them not looking as fit or as strong as poorer squads of players (on paper)?

We wilted again yesterday, physically and mentally.

Lewis looks the fittest in the team. How is that even a thing?

[#2 Double Tap]

Manager can’t take the blame for lack of effort, application and desire they showed in the second half yesterday. It was as bad as anything I’ve ever seen and that side of it is totally on the players for me.

a huge chunk of it is on the players, im sure most agree with yah, but what was said at half time, the players came out already defeated, this is bad management, fire them up, get them focused, motivation is a huge part of the problem. Then look at the shape of the team and where everyone is fitting into it, its not surprising that the players look totally lost. imo it appears like they dont know what they are supposed to be doing most of the time.

if our players are not of a good enough standard to play the way the manager wants then surely he should rethink his plan and revert to a basic game plan, maybe play a 442, keep the instructions simple.

during that second half the camera went onto the players sitting in the stand, mcgregor was on his phone and mcginn and someone else looked all involved with whatever he was doing. He is supposed to be a hibs fan, he was not watching the game, did not look upset or angry like all the other hibs fans. There has been a lack of leadership in this team for a while, I think that is partly the reason we have such a bad disciplinary record this year.

[JimboHibs]

You can add our club captain to that list as well, never a leader, never a centre half and was anyone remotely surprised to see Hanlon bullied off the ball to allow a ridiculously soft equalising goal seconds before half time, a career full of moments like this and two in the last week, always gave 100% but it’s never been quite good enough and utterly embarrassed in the last seven days, just sums up mediocrity of our club from top to bottom right now.

Spot on we reward players for being poor,its not meant to work like that.

[LewysGot2]

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during that second half the camera went onto the players sitting in the stand, mcgregor was on his phone and mcginn and someone else looked all involved with whatever he was doing. He is supposed to be a hibs fan, he was not watching the game, did not look upset or angry like all the other hibs fans. There has been a lack of leadership in this team for a while, I think that is partly the reason we have such a bad disciplinary record this year.
I wasn’t watching on a screen as was at the game but is it entirely possible the players were doing what many folk were doing all around me in the second half which is the modern equivalent of taking a radio to the game and hudding it to your ear? Many were on their phones checking the other scores and working out what needed to happen for us to somehow make top 6. Not really a stretch of the imagination?

[loanheadhibby]

Agree with most of this

There is no way a side of

Macey

Cadden - Clarke - Porteous - Hanlon - Doig

Newell - Lewis

Henderson

Melkersen - Doidge

Is as bad as folk are making out. That would be my prefered side for next week, but fitness a problem for Doidge.

It is what it is, a bottom 6 side.

The Henderson signing really confuses me. Been on loan, hardly pulled up any trees but we’re relying on him to have an influence over game next week.

I’d prefer we play defensively and stay in game as long as possible. As soon as we go behind, games over.

[#2 Double Tap]

I wasn’t watching on a screen as was at the game but is it entirely possible the players were doing what many folk were doing all around me in the second half which is the modern equivalent of taking a radio to the game and hudding it to your ear? Many were on their phones checking the other scores and working out what needed to happen for us to somehow make top 6. Not really a stretch of the imagination?

fair point!

[snedzuk]

What like, control a ball, pass the ball to a colleague, concentrate, tackle properly, keep their shape and above all else fight for the cause. These are the basics of football and I'd expect our players to be able to do nearly all of these things. What we see is misplaced passes, players shirking out of tackles, players not marking their opponents.

Postecoglu yesterday in a reply to an observation about how well Celtc had done at possession - 'Doesn't matter what number is on your back or what position youre playing - if they've got the ball your job is to go and get it back'

[B.H.F.C]

a huge chunk of it is on the players, im sure most agree with yah, but what was said at half time, the players came out already defeated, this is bad management, fire them up, get them focused, motivation is a huge part of the problem. Then look at the shape of the team and where everyone is fitting into it, its not surprising that the players look totally lost. imo it appears like they dont know what they are supposed to be doing most of the time.

if our players are not of a good enough standard to play the way the manager wants then surely he should rethink his plan and revert to a basic game plan, maybe play a 442, keep the instructions simple.

during that second half the camera went onto the players sitting in the stand, mcgregor was on his phone and mcginn and someone else looked all involved with whatever he was doing. He is supposed to be a hibs fan, he was not watching the game, did not look upset or angry like all the other hibs fans. There has been a lack of leadership in this team for a while, I think that is partly the reason we have such a bad disciplinary record this year.

I totally get that he needs to do something different tactically because you can’t just keep doing the same thing when it’s not working. I just don’t think the players are lost with the shape or anything like that though, I think they’re largely just pish. .

Me blaming the players isn’t really intended as a defence of Maloney. When I think back to the last game under Ross at Livingston I thought the players chucked him under the bus that night as well when we completely lost our discipline and basically gave up.

It was all about Ross, now it’s all about Maloney. They’re the constant in it all though.

[#2 Double Tap]

I totally get that he needs to do something different tactically because you can’t just keep doing the same thing when it’s not working. I just don’t think the players are lost with the shape or anything like that though, I think they’re largely just pish. .

Me blaming the players isn’t really intended as a defence of Maloney. When I think back to the last game under Ross at Livingston I thought the players chucked him under the bus that night as well when we completely lost our discipline and basically gave up.

It was all about Ross, now it’s all about Maloney. They’re the constant in it all though.


:agree:

its no looking good ehh! sad times!

[Carheenlea]

Time for Heroes the banner said, and heroes they turned out to be. What that side had more than anything though was an affinity with the support. Littered with characters the supporters identified with and enjoyed a rapport with. Not really one stand out, everyone had their own favourites and while not all Hibs fans they all got Hibs. There were plenty to choose from.

2016 is six years in the past now and those few that are still with us while rightly are forever club legends, their careers are winding down. For sentimental reasons their departures will be lamented when they come, but is there any one player who would break your heart if they left, in the manner of Martin Boyle? I don’t see it.

[Jones28]

I've watched the highlights again this morning.

First goal, Hanlon went shoulder to shoulder with Simms, he held his own but lost out. It happens. Doyle-Hayes comes in and makes a challenge, Halliday was left un marked and gets the break of the ball, it happens.

Second goal, for me, is down to the managers insistence on the way we set up at corners. We pulled everyone back bar Mueller who stayed up for a break away chance. Haring had acres of space to collect and send in the cross for the goal. Finish was either fortunate or very skilled, to loop it over Macey.

Third goal was great football but again I point at the managers formation. 2 in the middle wasnt working. Even less so when Campbell came on who, for me, was the worst player in a Hibs shirt. I don't see what he's bringing to the party anymore.

I dont what to make of it, but my gut is still telling me Maloney is putting square pegs in round holes and is too dogmatic for his, or the teams, own good.

[Unseen work]

I've watched the highlights again this morning.

First goal, Hanlon went shoulder to shoulder with Simms, he held his own but lost out. It happens. Doyle-Hayes comes in and makes a challenge, Halliday was left un marked and gets the break of the ball, it happens.

Second goal, for me, is down to the managers insistence on the way we set up at corners. We pulled everyone back bar Mueller who stayed up for a break away chance. Haring had acres of space to collect and send in the cross for the goal. Finish was either fortunate or very skilled, to loop it over Macey.

Third goal was great football but again I point at the managers formation. 2 in the middle wasnt working. Even less so when Campbell came on who, for me, was the worst player in a Hibs shirt. I don't see what he's bringing to the party anymore.

I dont what to make of it, but my gut is still telling me Maloney is putting square pegs in round holes and is too dogmatic for his, or the teams, own good.

There’s no way that should happen to Hanlon, a player of his experience to allow simms to take his first touch on the edge of the box to then rag doll him and get to the byline, JDH also needs to be stronger. Looking back even further Cadden is very poor, we had the ball in a very threatening position with about 30 seconds of the half left. He has two options, cross it to Melkersen, Clarke and Muller in the middle or turn back and play it to the man supporting him to see the half out, he instead cuts it back to the edge of the box where no Hibs player is within 20 yards of.

For me the second goal is purely down to the players, I can’t see in what world Maloney wants us to defend like that.

Haring had all the time in the world to cross.

Clarke was the one that won the header was the only player to sprint out to Halliday to close off the cross, everyone else was scared to push up. JDH had two men at the back post and one ended up scoring.

Im not buying that individual errors as “it happens” but the rest as a clear managerial error.

[Paulie Walnuts]

There’s no way that should happen to Hanlon, a player of his experience to allow simms to take his first touch on the edge of the box to then rag doll him and get to the byline, JDH also needs to be stronger. Looking back even further Cadden is very poor, we had the ball in a very threatening position with about 30 seconds of the half left. He has two options, cross it to Melkersen, Clarke and Muller in the middle or turn back and play it to the man supporting him to see the half out, he instead cuts it back to the edge of the box where no Hibs player is within 20 yards of.

For me the second goal is purely down to the players, I can’t see in what world Maloney wants us to defend like that.

Haring had all the time in the world to cross.

Clarke was the one that won the header was the only player to sprint out to Halliday to close off the cross, everyone else was scared to push up. JDH had two men at the back post and one ended up scoring.

Im not buying that individual errors as “it happens” but the rest as a clear managerial error.

Agree re Hanlon. He’s had a shocker there.

[JimBHibees]

There’s no way that should happen to Hanlon, a player of his experience to allow simms to take his first touch on the edge of the box to then rag doll him and get to the byline, JDH also needs to be stronger. Looking back even further Cadden is very poor, we had the ball in a very threatening position with about 30 seconds of the half left. He has two options, cross it to Melkersen, Clarke and Muller in the middle or turn back and play it to the man supporting him to see the half out, he instead cuts it back to the edge of the box where no Hibs player is within 20 yards of.

For me the second goal is purely down to the players, I can’t see in what world Maloney wants us to defend like that.

Haring had all the time in the world to cross.

Clarke was the one that won the header was the only player to sprint out to Halliday to close off the cross, everyone else was scared to push up. JDH had two men at the back post and one ended up scoring.

Im not buying that individual errors as “it happens” but the rest as a clear managerial error.

The second goal is incredible why were there no Hibs players at the edge of the box Rocky seemed to be hanging about the penalty spot. Absolutely ludicrous that Clarke heads the ball and is the only guy pressing running past players. The time Haring gets to play it in is ridiculous and JDH sleeping

[WestStandWillie]

I keep thinking about that squad and its really boiling my ****

As far as i'm concerned this is my thoughts on the squad come season end:

Macey = OUT
Dabrowski = IN

Clarke = IN (sure we've got him for another year on loan)
Doig = IN
Hanlon = IN
Porteous = IN (Captain, might help him screw the nut)
McGinn = OUT
Stevenson = IN
McGregor = OUT
Bushiri = OUT
Cadden = IN

Magennis = IN (needs to prove his fitness)
Wright = OUT
Newell = IN
MacKay = OUT
Mitchell = IN
JDH = OUT
Allan = OUT
Campbell = OUT
Henderson = IN (needs to actually show something though)

Doidge = OUT
Mueller = IN
Nisbet = IN
Jasper = IN
Scott = OUT
Hauge = IN
Melkersen = IN

11 players out. Question marks over a few of the In's but giving them the benefit of the doubt.

[Coco Bryce]

I keep thinking about that squad and its really boiling my ****

As far as i'm concerned this is my thoughts on the squad come season end:

Macey = OUT
Dabrowski = IN

Clarke = IN (sure we've got him for another year on loan)
Doig = IN
Hanlon = IN
Porteous = IN (Captain, might help him screw the nut)
McGinn = OUT
Stevenson = IN
McGregor = OUT
Bushiri = OUT
Cadden = IN

Magennis = IN (needs to prove his fitness)
Wright = OUT
Newell = IN
MacKay = OUT
Mitchell = IN
JDH = OUT
Allan = OUT
Campbell = OUT
Henderson = IN (needs to actually show something though)

Doidge = OUT
Mueller = IN
Nisbet = IN
Jasper = IN
Scott = OUT
Hauge = IN
Melkersen = IN

11 players out. Question marks over a few of the In's but giving them the benefit of the doubt.

My thoughts exactly. Can't really argue with any of that to be honest.

[McGruber]

I keep thinking about that squad and its really boiling my ****

As far as i'm concerned this is my thoughts on the squad come season end:

Macey = OUT
Dabrowski = IN

Clarke = IN (sure we've got him for another year on loan)
Doig = IN
Hanlon = IN
Porteous = IN (Captain, might help him screw the nut)
McGinn = OUT
Stevenson = IN
McGregor = OUT
Bushiri = OUT
Cadden = IN

Magennis = IN (needs to prove his fitness)
Wright = OUT
Newell = IN
MacKay = OUT
Mitchell = IN
JDH = OUT
Allan = OUT
Campbell = OUT
Henderson = IN (needs to actually show something though)

Doidge = OUT
Mueller = IN
Nisbet = IN
Jasper = IN
Scott = OUT
Hauge = IN
Melkersen = IN

11 players out. Question marks over a few of the In's but giving them the benefit of the doubt.

None of that matters without Maloney = out.

Besides. Agree with the majority though Macey could be kept as a No. 2 or 3 -out the team I agree, better No. 1 required.

MacKay hardly had a chance, would give him more time/pre season.

Doidge out and Hague in!- Doidge been our best 9 pre injury in years. He's been mince lately but we know there is a proven player there. Why not see if a full pre season brings him back to the level he was at? Mitchell and Magennis both sick notes - contributed nowt but get to stay.

[Coco Bryce]

None of that matters without Maloney = out.

Besides. Agree with the majority though Macey could be kept as a No. 2 or 3 -out the team I agree, better No. 1 required.

MacKay hardly had a chance, would give him more time/pre season.

Doidge out and Hague in!- Doidge been our best 9 pre injury in years. He's been mince lately but we know there is a proven player there. Why not see if a full pre season brings him back to the level he was at? Mitchell and Magennis both sick notes - contributed nowt but get to stay.

Big man is going back down South at the end of the season seemingly.

[MWHIBBIES]

Big man is going back down South at the end of the season seemingly.

He signed a new long contract months ago. If he does go we should be getting a decent fee.

If we free him, we're absolute idiots.

[sleeping giant]

Big man is going back down South at the end of the season seemingly.

Not sure about that.
New deal recentley and loving life in Edinburgh.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I keep thinking about that squad and its really boiling my ****

As far as i'm concerned this is my thoughts on the squad come season end:

Macey = OUT
Dabrowski = IN

Clarke = IN (sure we've got him for another year on loan)
Doig = IN
Hanlon = IN
Porteous = IN (Captain, might help him screw the nut)
McGinn = OUT
Stevenson = IN
McGregor = OUT
Bushiri = OUT
Cadden = IN

Magennis = IN (needs to prove his fitness)
Wright = OUT
Newell = IN
MacKay = OUT
Mitchell = IN
JDH = OUT
Allan = OUT
Campbell = OUT
Henderson = IN (needs to actually show something though)

Doidge = OUT
Mueller = IN
Nisbet = IN
Jasper = IN
Scott = OUT
Hauge = IN
Melkersen = IN

11 players out. Question marks over a few of the In's but giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Agree although I’d also throw Dabrowski, Magennis, Jasper and Henderson in there as ‘out’ in an ideal world as well.

I know that can’t happen before someone comes along and says it but we shouldn’t be in a situation where we’ve got 10-15 players in our first team squad who we’d want out.

We’ve built such a poor squad imo. No balance, woefully short in certain areas and little quality and little athleticism. I honestly don’t see another manager getting all that much more out of this team.

We’ve a 19 year old laddie as our only available striker, 1 decent centre mid. Two crucial positions and were miles off it.

[Coco Bryce]

Not sure about that.
New deal recentley and loving life in Edinburgh.

Maybe depends if SM stays or go then.

Not in his plans I've heard.

[scoopyboy]

Maybe depends if SM stays or go then.

Not in his plans I've heard.

From what I know Doidge will be away next season as he's not in Maloney's plans as you correctly say.

However he may still be under contract to us longer than Maloney and if he outlasts the manager then he may well stay.

Might be in the next manager's plans, by all accounts he loves Hibs and Edinburgh but wants to play football.

[JimBHibees]

From what I know Doidge will be away next season as he's not in Maloney's plans as you correctly say.

However he may still be under contract to us longer than Maloney and if he outlasts the manager then he may well stay.

Might be in the next manager's plans, by all accounts he loves Hibs and Edinburgh but wants to play football.

His performances need to improve then as has been miles off it.

[scoopyboy]

His performances need to improve then as has been miles off it.

Agree 100% but he would be within his rights to stay as he has a legally binding contract for another couple of seasons.

I would like to think with a full pre season behind him he would make a better fist of it then he has done since he returned from injury.

[MWHIBBIES]

His performances need to improve then as has been miles off it.

Same with the manager but at least Christian has shown before he has ability.

[Fergus52]

Newell is a charlatan. He’d not even make the yams bench.

He shat all over Beningame the last derby at Easter road

[Scottie]

He shat all over Beningame the last derby at Easter road
Then shat himself in Saturday's derby like the rest of our players. And your point is ??

[B.H.F.C]

He shat all over Beningame the last derby at Easter road

Maybe a tad exaggerated. I’d say Andy ****ing Halliday shat all over us at the weekend with an actual match winning contribution. The game ER was a good battle and Newell battled really well but it wasn’t some kind of dominating performance.

[JimBHibees]

Agree 100% but he would be within his rights to stay as he has a legally binding contract for another couple of seasons.

I would like to think with a full pre season behind him he would make a better fist of it then he has done since he returned from injury.

Hope that happens

[18Craig75]

From what I know Doidge will be away next season as he's not in Maloney's plans as you correctly say.

However he may still be under contract to us longer than Maloney and if he outlasts the manager then he may well stay.

Might be in the next manager's plans, by all accounts he loves Hibs and Edinburgh but wants to play football.

Have you had any suggestion that Maloneys position could be under threat any time soon?

[MKHIBEE]

Don't forget his part in the third also.. Instead of getting out to Andy Halliday , he backs and backs off allowing Halliday to advance , set himself and let the shot off.

Utterly horrendous defending in so many ways..
That was my thoughts at the time, he made himself smaller while keeping his arms in a natural position, he should have tried to block and taken the hit

[JimBHibees]

That was my thoughts at the time, he made himself smaller while keeping his arms in a natural position, he should have tried to block and taken the hit

Actually very similar to cup final goal

[GreenCastle]

We are too lightweight, inexperienced and predictable.

Folk may think it’s mad for so many changes but we really do need some serious surgery to this group.

Mentally tough players / leaders and players who get the club. Not 3 year light weight potential young players who will be hot and cold each week and get bullied in derbies.

Macey = OUT or back up ( He’s a Marciano downgrade)
Dabrowski = Back up

Clarke = IN
Doig = IN
Hanlon = IN / back up
Porteous = IN
McGinn = OUT
Stevenson = IN/ back up
McGregor = OUT / but ideally keep within club for coaching or similar
Bushiri = OUT
Cadden = In but back up

Magennis = IN - but we really need to see regular games when he returns.
Wright = OUT
Newell = IN but we need better in centre midfield
MacKay = OUT
Mitchell = IN
JDH = OUT
Allan = OUT
Campbell = OUT
Henderson = OUT - not convinced - definitely not strongest 11.

Doidge = difficult one - would probably keep as think he will improve
Mueller = OUT - basically Henderson part 2
Nisbet = IN
Jasper = IN
Scott = OUT asap
Hauge = no idea but looked very raw.
Melkersen = IN

[MrRobot]

from what i’ve seen so far, rockys loan should not be made into a permanent transferand i feel there needs to be question marks over jasper aswell. motherwell game aside, there’s been very little end product from him.

MacKay for sure deserves a chance, he looked pretty good pre-season, dont understand why we let him go

Magennis for sure is worth persevering with as he is exactly the type of player we are missing, hopefully he can put this injury nightmare behind him.

when hanlon was injured, i actually think we looked more solid at the back :dunno:

[BoomtownHibees]

from what i’ve seen so far, rockys loan should not be made into a permanent transferand i feel there needs to be question marks over jasper aswell. motherwell game aside, there’s been very little end product from him.

MacKay for sure deserves a chance, he looked pretty good pre-season, dont understand why we let him go

Magennis for sure is worth persevering with as he is exactly the type of player we are missing, hopefully he can put this injury nightmare behind him.

when hanlon was injured, i actually think we looked more solid at the back :dunno:

Jasper was very good in the Motherwell game, particularly in the first half and especially when he was pushed out to the RWB/RM position. Obviously helped with them having 10 men and giving us a lot of space out wide but it was by far his best game. Maybe that position suits him a lot better than where he has been playing in every other game

[KeithTheHibby]

My thoughts exactly. Can't really argue with any of that to be honest.

6 of those players have contracts for next year. Good luck moving them on.

[McGruber]

Big man is going back down South at the end of the season seemingly.

Hope not. I'd imagine that might change if Maloney goes. Can't see how he can be kept on either- other than winning the semi which I can't see happening

[MKHIBEE]

Actually very similar to cup final goal

It was indeed.

[scoopyboy]

Have you had any suggestion that Maloneys position could be under threat any time soon?

Heard whispers but not convinced.

Ben Kinsell was over in the USA at the last international break for a five day meet with Ron Gordon, you can bet lots of things were discussed during that time.

[MrRobot]

Jasper was very good in the Motherwell game, particularly in the first half and especially when he was pushed out to the RWB/RM position. Obviously helped with them having 10 men and giving us a lot of space out wide but it was by far his best game. Maybe that position suits him a lot better than where he has been playing in every other game

Id agree, it was easily his best game for us so far but other than that i’ve not really seen a lot else, yet anyway, to convince me he’d be worth keeping

[loanheadhibby]

He signed a new long contract months ago. If he does go we should be getting a decent fee.

If we free him, we're absolute idiots.
A decent fee for Doidge, you must be joking.
His performances since returning from injury have been embarrassing.

[loanheadhibby]

He shat all over Beningame the last derby at Easter road

Aye so he did.
Didn't last much more than an hour and we didn't see him for weeks.
Completely over rated and one of the reasons we are struggling.
I'm sorry I just don't buy into this rubbish that he is a quality player.
Hibs is his level and I'd love to know his next move.

[Callum_62]

Aye so he did.
Didn't last much more than an hour and we didn't see him for weeks.
Completely over rated and one of the reasons we are struggling.
I'm sorry I just don't buy into this rubbish that he is a quality player.
Hibs is his level and I'd love to know his next move.He was that bad he hid for weeks!

Or he picked up an injury

Who knows what one is true!

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[MWHIBBIES]

A decent fee for Doidge, you must be joking.
His performances since returning from injury have been embarrassing.

I'm quite clearly not joking. What about his good performances before that, and generally good career? Do they just not exist?

Nothing embarrassing about his performances really, just hasn't been happening for him.

[WeeRussell]

A decent fee for Doidge, you must be joking.
His performances since returning from injury have been embarrassing.

Embarrassing probably a little harsh given he was out a long time injured but I do agree with your general point - we’re getting nothing from him right now that says he’s worth a place in the squad even. I guess it depends on your interpretation of what would be ‘decent’ but I doubt we’d get a quarter back of what we paid for Christian if moving on this summer.

I like the big man and hope he turns the corner soon, whether that’s with us or more likely elsewhere, but some that went over the top when he WAS decent for us are struggling to let go. I get it, I was probably guilty of similar with Scott Allan.

[JimBHibees]

Id agree, it was easily his best game for us so far but other than that i’ve not really seen a lot else, yet anyway, to convince me he’d be worth keeping

He was very good against Celtic at home

[Since90+2]

I'm quite clearly not joking. What about his good performances before that, and generally good career? Do they just not exist?

Nothing embarrassing about his performances really, just hasn't been happening for him.

Doidge is coming off a very serious injury and has struggled with form since returning, add in the fact he'll be turning 30 just after the season starts means we won't get a decent fee for him. That's Fantasyland thinking.

[J-C]

Doidge is coming off a very serious injury and has struggled with form since returning, add in the fact he'll be turning 30 just after the season starts means we won't get a decent fee for him. That's Fantasyland thinking.

Did we pay a fee for him?

He owes us nothing, worked hard for the team and scored a few goals, some players never recover from an Achilles injury.

[Unseen work]

Re Doidge I actually find it odd he’s not starting the more I see us play under Maloney.

He’s off form yes but we play a slow build up game which results in a lot of crosses into the box and trying to play into the strikers feet. We rarely go in behind teams or stretch them and it’s normally the striker dropping slightly deep to get involved.

All is Doidge’s best attributes are that imo, he holds it up and kinks play well, gets in good positions for crosses and offers a lot defensively.

Melkersen has shown a very loose touch on a couple of very noticeable occasions in the last 2 games when Clarke has tried to play a one-two which would result in a good chance. If played into Doidge’s feet I’ve no doubt he’s hold it up and lay it off well.

The issue is if we ever do counter he doesn’t offer pace or much of an out but I’m not sure many of our players do that at the moment anyway.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Doidge is coming off a very serious injury and has struggled with form since returning, add in the fact he'll be turning 30 just after the season starts means we won't get a decent fee for him. That's Fantasyland thinking.

:agree:

I really like Doidge and think he’s been a really good player for us.

As you say though, the idea of us getting a decent fee for a guy who’s nearly 30 and coming back from a serious injury that he still hasn’t managed to recapture his form after is fantasyland stuff.

If we don’t fancy Doidge anymore then I’d suspect we’ll be more than happy to let him go. He’ll no doubt be earning a decent wage and if we’ve no intention of using him the. Letting him go for free or a small fee would be beneficial for all parties. No chance anyone is giving us decent money for him.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

4 games out of 15 we've actually turned up under SM. So either the players aren't good enough, or the message isn't getting through. I think it's the latter as the bulk of the team are players from last year, but to counter that, we've been guff for most of this season. Maybe we were just better without crowds?

From the first two games, Cadden and Doig were prominent wing backs, and that's been abandoned with Doig at LCB. They looked good threats.

Appreciate we've had an injury list that is really long and these would be players considered previously as first team regulars (McGinn, Hanlon, Nisbet, Doidge etc) but the biggest worry i have is that the signings we've made in January to build a SM team don't look even close to good enough bar one or two.

Hendo and Jasper are little boys. We lost our most potent threat, who was also a massive influence in the changing room. and replaced him with inexperienced boys.

My only hope for the remainder of the season (excluding saturday) is we win the first couple of pre split games, then SM implements a system, with the players he believes will be here next season so that looking to next season we'll have some idea how we'll play and something to look forward to

[WeeRussell]

Did we pay a fee for him?

He owes us nothing, worked hard for the team and scored a few goals, some players never recover from an Achilles injury.

I had around 250k in my head, but I could be way-out. Does seem quite a bit when I say it out loud now so maybe I am indeed wrong!

[Fergus52]

Aye so he did.
Didn't last much more than an hour and we didn't see him for weeks.
Completely over rated and one of the reasons we are struggling.
I'm sorry I just don't buy into this rubbish that he is a quality player.
Hibs is his level and I'd love to know his next move.

Watch the game back, he did.

Every time Beningame got the ball and tried to progress it through the midfield from deep Newell was right on him and tackled or pressed him into a mistake several times. He's the main man in Heart's midfield and he did nothing that game primarily down to Newell.

Newell also dribbled past him a couple of times as well, and I don't remember the reverse happening once.

[B.H.F.C]

Watch the game back, he did.

Every time Beningame got the ball and tried to progress it through the midfield from deep Newell was right on him and tackled or pressed him into a mistake several times. He's the main man in Heart's midfield and he did nothing that game primarily down to Newell.

Newell also dribbled past him a couple of times as well, and I don't remember the reverse happening once.

He had a decent game, in a 0-0 draw.

I don’t think they’ll have lost any sleep over the night Joe Newell shat all over them as you put it.

[mokie]

I've watched the highlights again this morning.

First goal, Hanlon went shoulder to shoulder with Simms, he held his own but lost out. It happens. Doyle-Hayes comes in and makes a challenge, Halliday was left un marked and gets the break of the ball, it happens.

Second goal, for me, is down to the managers insistence on the way we set up at corners. We pulled everyone back bar Mueller who stayed up for a break away chance. Haring had acres of space to collect and send in the cross for the goal. Finish was either fortunate or very skilled, to loop it over Macey.

Third goal was great football but again I point at the managers formation. 2 in the middle wasnt working. Even less so when Campbell came on who, for me, was the worst player in a Hibs shirt. I don't see what he's bringing to the party anymore.

I dont what to make of it, but my gut is still telling me Maloney is putting square pegs in round holes and is too dogmatic for his, or the teams, own good.

If you think he was holding his own then gee wizz.. The only thing he was holding was his backside after Sims handed it to him..

[at last 61]

Newell plays great in every 5-6 games hopefully he has on Saturday, and cadden has been 1 off our better players jdh same as Newell hopefully it's his day as well we have some good players on our day and remember 2016 most players were average apart from, well we all know, so get behind the team on Saturday this could be another great year

[jacomo]

I'm quite clearly not joking. What about his good performances before that, and generally good career? Do they just not exist?

Nothing embarrassing about his performances really, just hasn't been happening for him.


For whatever reason he looks miles away from the player he was last season.

I’d be amazed if anyone was considering a decent bid for him.

[mokie]

For whatever reason he looks miles away from the player he was last season.

I’d be amazed if anyone was considering a decent bid for him.

Unfortunately , he is a slow player who after a bad injury , looks like he's now even slower........

[Paulie Walnuts]

4 games out of 15 we've actually turned up under SM. So either the players aren't good enough, or the message isn't getting through. I think it's the latter as the bulk of the team are players from last year, but to counter that, we've been guff for most of this season. Maybe we were just better without crowds?

From the first two games, Cadden and Doig were prominent wing backs, and that's been abandoned with Doig at LCB. They looked good threats.

Appreciate we've had an injury list that is really long and these would be players considered previously as first team regulars (McGinn, Hanlon, Nisbet, Doidge etc) but the biggest worry i have is that the signings we've made in January to build a SM team don't look even close to good enough bar one or two.

Hendo and Jasper are little boys. We lost our most potent threat, who was also a massive influence in the changing room. and replaced him with inexperienced boys.

My only hope for the remainder of the season (excluding saturday) is we win the first couple of pre split games, then SM implements a system, with the players he believes will be here next season so that looking to next season we'll have some idea how we'll play and something to look forward to

Aberdeen (H)
Dundee United (A)
Hearts (H)
Arbroath (A)
Ross County (H)
Celtic (H)
Motherwell (A)
Dundee United (H)

I’d suggest that’s 8 games we’ve turned up in. That’s also accepting we never turned up against Cove Rangers but still won the game.