Relegation?

[richard_pitts]

On current form (last 6 played) I believe we are about 9th or 10th. Given there's only 8 points between us and St Johnstone, is a play off out the question? I wouldn't fancy us in a must-win affair on today's showing to be honest.

[Mcbizz1998]

I must admit I am really quite worried.

But I do think we will be ok.

[ScottB]

St Johnstone took 7 from 9 points before they got pasted by Celtic today.

I wouldn’t put any amount of money on us doing something like that at the moment.

[bigwheel]

We better keep out of the play offs. Wouldn’t fancy us

[richard_pitts]

I must admit I am really quite worried.

But I do think we will be ok.

i think the relative closeness of all the teams might get us through but we turned in two 0-0 draws at home to St Johnstone and Dundee which really did for any top 6 chance - a win against one of them and we'd be top 6. Other teams are scrapping for results and scoring more than us, and we are creating far call which i find really worrying.

[Lago]

Certainly possible.

[LunasBoots]

We'll scrape some draws and be fine.

[MWHIBBIES]

No. St Johnstone won't get anything like 8 points. And we won't get zero. Nothing to worry about in that regard.

[BILLYHIBS]

It’s looking good

[wookie70]

The fact it is possible is pretty shocking. I can easily see us collapsing in the next 5 league games but the sides below us as terrible so it is still unlikely we will be in a play off spot. Looking at the last times we have played the 5 teams with us in he bottom half we have 2 points from the five games. One of those points was against St Johnstone and that would be enough to keep us in the league imo. If St Johnstone go on a run and they are capable of that then it could spell trouble but all the teams in the bottom half are very poor so if St Johnstone go on a run it could see St Mirren go into the play off. The similarities with the Butcher season worry me a bit though as do all the loan players and those who look like they won't or at least shouldn't be here next season.

[richard_pitts]

St Johnstone took 7 from 9 points before they got pasted by Celtic today.

I wouldn’t put any amount of money on us doing something like that at the moment.

Depressingly bang on.

[Since452]

I won't relax until we're mathematically safe.

[Jones28]

Genuinely concerned now. No confidence in the management to get decisions right.

[Paulie Walnuts]

St Johnstone would need 9 points with us picking up absolute zero.

St Johnstone have currently picked up 1.1 points a game. They’d be heading for about 5.5 points a game before the end of the season. Even adjusted to 7 or so for being bottom six that’s still going to be nowhere near enough to catch us.

[bigwheel]

St Johnstone would need 9 points with us picking up absolute zero.

St Johnstone have currently picked up 1.1 points a game. They’d be heading for about 5.5 points a game before the end of the season. Even adjusted to 7 or so for being bottom six that’s still going to be nowhere near enough to catch us.

Eh?? Think your arithmetic has gone a bit wrong there

[Alfred E Newman]

We'll scrape some draws and be fine.

We said that about the Butcher team.

[Heisenberg]

It’s a possibility. We are absolutely *****.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Eh?? Think your arithmetic has gone a bit wrong there

They’re 8 behind us with a massively worse goal difference. They’d need 9 points to overtake us.

Edit: you’re right, they’ve picked up 0.9 PPG. Even worse then, so heading for 4.5 PPG. They’d need to double that with us picking up absolutely zero. Not going to happen.

My last post is completely wrong :greengrin

[bigwheel]

Why? They’re 8 behind us with a massively worse goal difference. They’d need 9 points to overtake us.

They certainly won’t need 5.5 points a game [emoji1787]

[Paulie Walnuts]

They certainly won’t need 5.5 points a game [emoji1787]

Yeah I’ve just read my post back and realised it’s completely wrong :greengrin

[bigwheel]

Yeah I’ve just read my post back and realised it’s completely wrong :greengrin

Hehe [emoji106][emoji106]

[bigwheel]

The issue we have got is we are looking like Everton did before their result today - forgotten how to win games ..the team crumbled as soon as Hearts equalised . I can’t see how Maloney can get that team winning games before the end of the season .

[IberianHibernian]

Apart from the last 46 minutes today I`ve not seen anything to suggest we`ll be in relegation trouble . Muller penalty given last week and we`d be in top 6 fighting for Europe . Win cup and finish 7th is still possible . Aberdeen and St Mirren ( if they don`t beat Huns tomorrow ) in even worse position . Prediction ? We lose at Perth on last day while resting players for SC final which is enough to see St J push Aberdeen into play off .

[AL-Qaholik]

I don’t think we’ll win another game this season.
Just have to hope the others all beat each other and we might scrape 10th.

[Sir David Gray]

I wouldn't be surprised if we finish 10th but I really don't see us finishing 11th.

St Johnstone would probably need to win 4 of their last 5 matches to even come close to bothering us which isn't going to happen.

[Iain G]

We are not getting ****ing relegated, god the bed wetting panic merchants are out in force tonight!!

[Danderhall Hibs]

Need to get it wrapped up early doors so we can rest bodies for the Cup Final.

[Potty78]

No. St Johnstone won't get anything like 8 points. And we won't get zero. Nothing to worry about in that regard.

They could easily beat Dundee and us leaving one more out of three games to go above. Who are we beating? I really hope yer right but this has 2014 all over it😥

[MWHIBBIES]

They could easily beat Dundee and us leaving one more out of three games to go above. Who are we beating? I really hope yer right but this has 2014 all over it😥

It doesn't. We are a better side than them, so why would they pick up more wins than us?

[CL0762]

Not worried about relegation at all.

Might be naive but I reckon now that the pressure is off league wise we’ll be fine.

[Sir David Gray]

They could easily beat Dundee and us leaving one more out of three games to go above. Who are we beating? I really hope yer right but this has 2014 all over it😥

St Johnstone realistically need to be winning 4 or 5 of their last 5 games to be giving us any sort of problems which isn't going to happen.

It's absolutely disgraceful that we're even needing to talk about it though.

[Franck Stanton]

Need to get it wrapped up early doors so we can rest bodies for the Cup Final.

Liking your optimism, however...Do you honestly think that we will turn things around in 7 days to win against a team that totally bossed us today?
Even if we did win the semi, (highly unlikely, but possible), the final , well that's a totally different proposition.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Liking your optimism, however...Do you honestly think that we will turn things around in 7 days to win against a team that totally bossed us today?
Even if we did win the semi, (highly unlikely, but possible), the final , well that's a totally different proposition.

Yip. Complacency meets the underdog.

[Potty78]

It doesn't. We are a better side than them, so why would they pick up more wins than us?

Before today they had taken 7 points out of nine winning 2 in a row. It's not impossible for them to catch us. One win will be enough. One win like we needed in 2014🙈

[MWHIBBIES]

Before today they had taken 7 points out of nine winning 2 in a row. It's not impossible for them to catch us. One win will be enough. One win like we needed in 2014🙈

They done that and are still miles behind. Not happening

[Potty78]

St Johnstone realistically need to be winning 4 or 5 of their last 5 games to be giving us any sort of problems which isn't going to happen.

It's absolutely disgraceful that we're even needing to talk about it though.

I just worry were our next win is coming from though.

[Nicho87]

If we stay up and reach two cup finals is that regarded as a successful season?

[Potty78]

They done that and are still miles behind. Not happening

As I said, i hope yer right. Fixtures could play a huge part.

[Callum_62]

Before today they had taken 7 points out of nine winning 2 in a row. It's not impossible for them to catch us. One win will be enough. One win like we needed in 2014[emoji85]If they done that you would think its more likey to be Aberdeen or St Mirren that fill the 11th place

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[flash]

The issue we have got is we are looking like Everton did before their result today - forgotten how to win games ..the team crumbled as soon as Hearts equalised . I can’t see how Maloney can get that team winning games before the end of the season .

Everton did.

[delbert]

On current form (last 6 played) I believe we are about 9th or 10th. Given there's only 8 points between us and St Johnstone, is a play off out the question? I wouldn't fancy us in a must-win affair on today's showing to be honest.

Why wouldn’t any of the other bottom six clubs feel that they can’t drag Hibs right into the mire ? Our lack of fight has dogged us for years, a phrase was coined which we all hate and yet take a look at where we are, because we are as soft as a certain substance and continue to be the butt of jokes from near snd far. A team who didn’t win one of their first ten games and another who has won a single game since Christmas have both come past us gone into the top six, we are a mediocre team managed by a dreadful manager who might just keep us up, but this supposed philosophy of his ? Do me a favour, utter garbage !

[He's here!]

I think St J have too much to do but which games do we see Hibs winning (or at least not losing) to allay any lingering worries? I wouldn't back us to beat any of the teams in the bottom six on our current form and were St Johnstone to pick up a couple of wins it could get nervy.

Getting turned over by Hearts next weekend won't help our confidence.

[Glory Lurker]

Nae chance.

[JOD]

At end of day football as other sports are on fine lines.
If the ref in Pittodrie never gave that penalty we'd be in top 6 and be talking about Europe. Not to be.
So we're now talking relegation.
One thing I do know if JR was still in charge we'd not be in this predicament. We'd still be boring but in top 6.
Anyway off to kip cu all on Saturday. 💚

[Iain G]

At end of day football as other sports are on fine lines.
If the ref in Pittodrie never gave that penalty we'd be in top 6 and be talking about Europe. Not to be.
So we're now talking relegation.
One thing I do know if JR was still in charge we'd not be in this predicament. We'd still be boring but in top 6.
Anyway off to kip cu all on Saturday. 💚

You can't know that, we were bottom six and no sign of winning a game anytime soon when he was rightly punted

[the_ginger_hibee]

They done that and are still miles behind. Not happening

You are the Hibs.net Comical Ali.

[Callum_62]

You can't know that, we were bottom six and no sign of winning a game anytime soon when he was rightly puntedHis final 4 games in charge were a win, a draw and 2 defeats (to rangers and Livi away)


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[Tiestp]

Poor form indeed but no chance we’ll be relegated. Would take a monumental downfall.

[basehibby]

I don't think we will get dragged into the play offs but it's a **** state of affairs that we are even asking this question. Despite all the injuries etc it's got to be said that results have not been good enough under Maloney. Our failure to reach the top 6 is more down to losing at home to Livingston and St Mirren than losing at Tynie - extremely poor results. Our place in the Cup Semi is now the saving grace of our season - will it save Maloney though? A place in a final was not enough to save his predecessor who was sacked on the back of similar league form.

[SteveHFC]

Genuinely concerned now. No confidence in the management to get decisions right.

My thoughts exactly.

[Johnny_Leith]

Luckily we picked up just enough points in the early part of the season to stay up.

Since Maloney has been in charge we are in relegation form, make no mistake about that. Guys a ****ing bombscare and cannot be emptied quickly enough.

It's so ****ing obvious to see and yet the club's doing nothing?? Just shoes we are clueless and leaderless, **** renewing my season tickets!

[Steve20]

If we stay up and reach two cup finals is that regarded as a successful season?

Only if we win the cup. Losing cup finals is not success.

[GRA]

At end of day football as other sports are on fine lines.
If the ref in Pittodrie never gave that penalty we'd be in top 6 and be talking about Europe. Not to be.
So we're now talking relegation.
One thing I do know if JR was still in charge we'd not be in this predicament. We'd still be boring but in top 6.
Anyway off to kip cu all on Saturday. 💚

All about the margins. If Melkerson had have netted that sitter last weekend we'd be sitting 4th and, even if we lose next weekend, be having discussions about Europe.

But we're not and the team have to take the flack. Justifiably so. Given our start to the season we should be well clear in at least 4th. Not good enough for a club like Hibs.

[marinello59]

Poor form indeed but no chance we’ll be relegated. Would take a monumental downfall.

Like the last time we were relegated?

[WhileTheChief..]

If St J play and beat us in the first game post split, I'd say we were then in real danger of them catching us.

I just don't see where we are picking up a win at all.

Hopefully St J remain gash for a another month.

[Onion]

8 points is big enough safety gap but fact we're having to consider this shows how poor we are. Teams below us will be fully up for the fight, so hard games ahead.

[Sir David Gray]

Like the last time we were relegated?

There were only 4 points between us and 11th spot after 33 games in the 13/14 season, this year there's 8 points separating us plus the goal difference is hugely in our favour which it wasn't really eight years ago so that's an extra five points from five games that St Johnstone need to pick up in order to overtake us in comparison with the situation in 13/14.

[He's here!]

There were only 4 points between us and 11th spot after 33 games in the 13/14 season, this year there's 8 points separating us plus the goal difference is hugely in our favour which it wasn't really eight years ago so that's an extra five points from five games that St Johnstone need to pick up in order to overtake us in comparison with the situation in 13/14.

It's not beyond this Hibs team to lose all five post-split games.

[Since452]

This team and manager just isn't up for a scrap. To just give up in a derby is unforgivable.

[Sir David Gray]

It's not beyond this Hibs team to lose all five post-split games.

It's not but I'm not sure St Johnstone will win 3 of their last 5 games.

[Lester B]

It's not beyond this Hibs team to lose all five post-split games.

Exactly. If St Johnstone win their first two games post split and we lose both of ours then the gap is two points with three to play although their goal difference is much worse and even more so after yesterday. The teams below us and above St Johnstone pick up a win or even in Livingston's case a draw over that same period and we are tenth. Much depends on how the fixtures are laid out but there's a possible scenario where we could play St Johnstone in the third game, lose and be in 11th. With two games to play. This certainly not outwith the realms of possibility.

All of this is conjecture of course but the point is that it's mathematically possible to be in the play off space soon because of how tight the points are when you get above Dundee.

As others have said we have been here before in recent years and then, as now, people were saying that all we needed was a couple of draws or a win and we'd be fine. It didn't happen. I remember in 2014 driving to Dingwall midweek straight from work in my suit (no one else took me up on an offer of a lift there) because we just needed that one win. Didn't happen.

So are people here saying that we'll be fine trying to reassure themselves or do they actually believe it? This team isn't great but better that the 2013/14 team. But as yesterday's second half showed what they have in common with that team is a lack of fight/heart when the chips are down.

I'm not saying it's going to happen but some of the complacency in some posts on here is concerning. It is possible; to pretend otherwise doesn't help anyone.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Exactly. If St Johnstone win their first two games post split and we lose both of ours then the gap is two points with three to play although their goal difference is much worse and even more so after yesterday. The teams below us and above St Johnstone pick up a win or even in Livingston's case a draw over that same period and we are tenth. Much depends on how the fixtures are laid out but there's a possible scenario where we could play St Johnstone in the third game, lose and be in 11th. With two games to play. This certainly not outwith the realms of possibility.

All of this is conjecture of course but the point is that it's mathematically possible to be in the play off space soon because of how tight the points are when you get above Dundee.

As others have said we have been here before in recent years and then, as now, people were saying that all we needed was a couple of draws or a win and we'd be fine. It didn't happen. I remember in 2014 driving to Dingwall midweek straight from work in my suit (no one else took me up on an offer of a lift there) because we just needed that one win. Didn't happen.

So are people here saying that we'll be fine trying to reassure themselves or do they actually believe it? This team isn't great but better that the 2013/14 team. But as yesterday's second half showed what they have in common with that team is a lack of fight/heart when the chips are down.

I'm not saying it's going to happen but some of the complacency in some posts on here is concerning. It is possible; to pretend otherwise doesn't help anyone.

It’s mathematically possible, of course. Where are St Johnstone suddenly becoming good enough to win the majority of their games though?

People say it’s not beyond us to lose the remaining 5 games yet I think Maloney has lost about 33% (6) of his games so far. 3 of them have been against the top 3. So it’s highly unlikely that’ll happen, especially when all the games are against bottom 6 sides.

There’s nothing to suggest we will lose every game. Even 2 draws for us would leave St Johnstone needing 4 wins from 5. They’ve won 7 all season.

I’m absolutely confident they won’t catch us. I don’t even expect they’ll get within 3 or 4 points of us.

[where'stheslope]

Tho' we never handled the pressure well yesterday, I think that pressure has gone!
Most of the players now have never played in the Butcher team, so should not be thinking about relegation options!!!
The semi-final takes care of itself, then heads down till the end of the season!!!

[hibbyfraelibby]

It's not but I'm not sure St Johnstone will win 3 of their last 5 games.

Two wins and 3 draws would work for them...if one of those wins was over us.

[500miles]

I'm concerned about relegation. We're not that far away from being unable to field a team.

[superfurryhibby]

Two wins and 3 draws would work for them...if one of those wins was over us.

St Johnston have had four wins since the start of November. Although they have picked up better form, I can’t see them gaining nine points more than us in the next five games. However, if they play us early in the split and win, it’s not inconceivable.

Pretty damned disgraceful that we are where we are though.

[Lester B]

It’s mathematically possible, of course. Where are St Johnstone suddenly becoming good enough to win the majority of their games though?

People say it’s not beyond us to lose the remaining 5 games yet I think Maloney has lost about 33% (6) of his games so far. 3 of them have been against the top 3. So it’s highly unlikely that’ll happen, especially when all the games are against bottom 6 sides.

There’s nothing to suggest we will lose every game. Even 2 draws for us would leave St Johnstone needing 4 wins from 5. They’ve won 7 all season.

I’m absolutely confident they won’t catch us. I don’t even expect they’ll get within 3 or 4 points of us.

Thanks for a considered response. I'm not saying it's likely. I'm saying that it's certainly mathematically possible as you note. St Johnstone took a pasting yesterday sure but their form over the last 5 games gives them 7 points. We got 3. Only Dundee out of the bottom 6 have also not won a game. St Johnstone may have only won 7 all season but we've only won 9 times. They've been scrapping for points for months and have that mindset. We need that mindset now.

I'm glad you're absolutely confident and wish I was.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'm concerned about relegation. We're not that far away from being unable to field a team.

We're absolutely miles away from not being able to field a team. Nonsense. We had 2 more subs than Hearts yesterday.

[LewysGot2]

The thing here is who plays Saints first and the outcome of that game. Every team above them probably feels the important thing is to win the head to head with them. They have 4 teams they're looking to draw into a dog fight and 4 teams looking to avoid that. It's not 5 games wher 3 sides are already on their holidays as they're safe. If Dundee get within a couple of points of them St Johnstone could be dealing with looking behind them as well as looking above them.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Thanks for a considered response. I'm not saying it's likely. I'm saying that it's certainly mathematically possible as you note. St Johnstone took a pasting yesterday sure but their form over the last 5 games gives them 7 points. We got 3. Only Dundee out of the bottom 6 have also not won a game. St Johnstone may have only won 7 all season but we've only won 9 times. They've been scrapping for points for months and have that mindset. We need that mindset now.

I'm glad you're absolutely confident and wish I was.

I think if you take the emotion of it being Hibs out of it and make it two other teams then you’d give St J no chance.

Derby for example are 9 behind in the Championship with 5 to go. They’re in a bit of a false position because of their points deductions and would be 17th and comfortably safe from relegation based purely on points gained.

Yet even a team like that, who have the same deficit to close and are actually better than their position suggests are pretty much universally being written off now.

[Sir David Gray]

Thanks for a considered response. I'm not saying it's likely. I'm saying that it's certainly mathematically possible as you note. St Johnstone took a pasting yesterday sure but their form over the last 5 games gives them 7 points. We got 3. Only Dundee out of the bottom 6 have also not won a game. St Johnstone may have only won 7 all season but we've only won 9 times. They've been scrapping for points for months and have that mindset. We need that mindset now.

I'm glad you're absolutely confident and wish I was.

Even if we have only won 9 matches all season (which is garbage I'll accept that) it still means (on average) we're likely to win at least one of our last five games. If we do that then St Johnstone will need four wins from their last five.

Obviously we can't totally relax until we're completely safe but I'm as confident as I can be that we won't be in the play off spot this season.

It's this form being dragged into next season that I'm most concerned about right now.

[He's here!]

It’s mathematically possible, of course. Where are St Johnstone suddenly becoming good enough to win the majority of their games though?

People say it’s not beyond us to lose the remaining 5 games yet I think Maloney has lost about 33% (6) of his games so far. 3 of them have been against the top 3. So it’s highly unlikely that’ll happen, especially when all the games are against bottom 6 sides.

There’s nothing to suggest we will lose every game. Even 2 draws for us would leave St Johnstone needing 4 wins from 5. They’ve won 7 all season.

I’m absolutely confident they won’t catch us. I don’t even expect they’ll get within 3 or 4 points of us.

I agree that it's unlikely St Johnstone will gain enough points to overhaul us but I don't agree there's nothing to suggest we could lose all 5 games. A horrrible, demoralising defeat next week would see spirits sink even lower, crowds at ER will be paltry and all it will really takes is for the opposition to take the lead to kill us off in games.

Definitely not as rocky ground as 2014, but as we saw then if you just keep losing you find yourself in big trouble.

Aberdeen, St Mirren, Livingston, St Johnstone, Dundee. Have we shown we're significantly better than any of these teams this season?

[James70]

Not this season but we will finish lower than 7th. Next season possibly depending on new signings and management.

[green.oracle]

It doesn't. We are a better side than them, so why would they pick up more wins than us?

I'll tell you why.

1) - St Johnstone beat us. That will then be at least 1 win more than us because on current form, we will not win any of our last 5 games.

2) - Since the new management team came in, we have not beat any of the bottom six. Lost to sheep, livi and st mirren and drew with bottom 2, st johnstone and dundee.

3) - In 13 league games since 1st january, we have failed to score in 8 of them.

4) - If the last two derbies are anything to go by, only 2 shots on target in 180 plus minutes, we are deep in the poo. It's not just the derbies, we rarely have a shot on target in any game.

This second half of the season is very butcheresque. Remember most said it wouldn't happen then either.

Not looking good.

[SHODAN]

St Johnstone will not win three games and we will not lose all of ours.

However, if St Johnstone away is the first game I'll probably start worrying.

[Hibbyradge]

Relegation was done away with.

It's demotion now. Not as bad.

[LewysGot2]

Relegation was done away with.

It's demotion now. Not as bad.

It’s unfair demotion, too :wink:

[Hibbyradge]

It’s unfair demotion, too :wink:

True.

[GreenCastle]

The thing here is who plays Saints first and the outcome of that game. Every team above them probably feels the important thing is to win the head to head with them. They have 4 teams they're looking to draw into a dog fight and 4 teams looking to avoid that. It's not 5 games wher 3 sides are already on their holidays as they're safe. If Dundee get within a couple of points of them St Johnstone could be dealing with looking behind them as well as looking above them.

Yup this is important.

All teams will want 3 points quickly to create a gap from 2nd bottom.

Even Dundee will want to beat them.

I’m not sure we will win many of the last 5 but not sure we will lose them all.

1st couple games post split will set the tone and that’s following next weeks derby which could have a psychological affect on the players and club.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'll tell you why.

1) - St Johnstone beat us. That will then be at least 1 win more than us because on current form, we will not win any of our last 5 games.

2) - Since the new management team came in, we have not beat any of the bottom six. Lost to sheep, livi and st mirren and drew with bottom 2, st johnstone and dundee.

3) - In 13 league games since 1st january, we have failed to score in 8 of them.

4) - If the last two derbies are anything to go by, only 2 shots on target in 180 plus minutes, we are deep in the poo. It's not just the derbies, we rarely have a shot on target in any game.

This second half of the season is very butcheresque. Remember most said it wouldn't happen then either.

Not looking good.

Anyway, back in the time line where we aren't Elgin City, we'll be just fine.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I'll tell you why.

1) - St Johnstone beat us. That will then be at least 1 win more than us because on current form, we will not win any of our last 5 games.

2) - Since the new management team came in, we have not beat any of the bottom six. Lost to sheep, livi and st mirren and drew with bottom 2, st johnstone and dundee.

3) - In 13 league games since 1st january, we have failed to score in 8 of them.

4) - If the last two derbies are anything to go by, only 2 shots on target in 180 plus minutes, we are deep in the poo. It's not just the derbies, we rarely have a shot on target in any game.

This second half of the season is very butcheresque. Remember most said it wouldn't happen then either.

Not looking good.

We’ve beat Aberdeen under Maloney.

Keeping in mind 2 points would leave St Johnstone needing 4 wins and the fact we’ve lost 6 out of 18 under Maloney then I’d suggest there’s little to suggest we’re going to be caught by St Johnstone.

Out of interest, why are St Johnstone, a team who just got scudded 7-0 yesterday and have won 7 games all season going to beat us?

[B.H.F.C]

I can’t see us winning a game. But I don’t think we’ll be relegated because I don’t think StJohnstone will make up the points difference.

[Hermit Crab]

We have picked up 3 points from 15, St Johnstone have picked up 7 from 15. Its not beyond the realms of possibility that we will finish bottom 2 but at the moment it looks unlikely.


I wouldn't fancy a 2 legged play off against Patrick, Caley or Arbroath. We'd blow it.

[Mrimbetween]

We are not getting ****ing relegated, god the bed wetting panic merchants are out in force tonight!!


Correct

[Mrimbetween]

Not a win in an age is a concern for me

But scramble over the line please

Next week scares me though saying that you never ken

[Hiber-nation]

The 2nd half against Dundee Utd and the first 20 mins yesterday are enough to tell me that we'll be safe. Plus the fact that St Johnstone and St Mirren are gash.

[BILLYHIBS]

St Mirren looking absolute dug **** against Der Hun 0-3

Thank god for Dundee

[Billy Whizz]

I don’t think we’ll go down, but we’re playing a few teams who are fighting for their lives, and Livvi and Aberdeen playing for prize money
One win will do, but want much better

[Paulie Walnuts]

I don’t think we’ll go down, but we’re playing a few teams who are fighting for their lives, and Livvi and Aberdeen playing for prize money
One win will do, but want much better

We’re also playing for prize money.

St J have also been fighting for their lives all season. They’ve still only managed to muster up 7 wins in 33 games, there’s no way they’re suddenly getting the 4 or 5 they’ll end up needing to catch us.

We’ve picked up 15 from 15 under Maloney. We’ve picked up 9 from 12 since Boyle left if we want the most negative possible outlook. That still leaves us picking up at least 3 points on average over the last 5 games and that’s not considering they’re all against the bottom half.

[ehf]

I agree that it's unlikely St Johnstone will gain enough points to overhaul us but I don't agree there's nothing to suggest we could lose all 5 games. A horrrible, demoralising defeat next week would see spirits sink even lower, crowds at ER will be paltry and all it will really takes is for the opposition to take the lead to kill us off in games.

Definitely not as rocky ground as 2014, but as we saw then if you just keep losing you find yourself in big trouble.

Aberdeen, St Mirren, Livingston, St Johnstone, Dundee. Have we shown we're significantly better than any of these teams this season?

:agree: The fans rallied round in 2014 (18,000 for the “must win” game v Killie IIRC) but that won’t happen this time.

We now have an awful squad, no leaders and a clueless management team. Really can’t see us winning any of the post-split games but think we will finish 10th; if we hadn’t got that win against Ross County in February, I would be really worried.

[1620]

We're absolutely miles away from not being able to field a team. Nonsense. We had 2 more subs than Hearts yesterday.

Putting 11 players on the pitch and however many subs on the bench is not the same thing as putting a team on the pitch with the bollocks and nohow to win us a couple of games which I think is what was meant by the original comment.
I too am nervous about out next 5 league matches having listened to all the same arguments about “all we need is” in 2014 and see where that got us.

[He's here!]

:agree: The fans rallied round in 2014 (18,000 for the “must win” game v Killie IIRC) but that won’t happen this time.

We now have an awful squad, no leaders and a clueless management team. Really can’t see us winning any of the post-split games but think we will finish 10th; if we hadn’t got that win against Ross County in February, I would be really worried.

They also rallied round for the Hamilton play-off where we quite incredibly managed to blow a 2-0 first-leg lead at home. With Dempster at the helm there was a sense we couldn't sink to such abject levels again, but as you say the memories of that debacle are still too fresh for fans to rally round again this time. It's scarcely believable we've regressed so rapidly.

[hibbyfraelibby]

We're absolutely miles away from not being able to field a team. Nonsense. We had 2 more subs than Hearts yesterday.

...and each of them significantly weakened us

[Hibee Mac]

So basically we have Jack Ross to thank for giving us enough points early on to hopefully stay clear of relegation.

[Spudster]

Maloney so far
P18
W6
D6
L6

Jack Ross last 18 games
W6
D4
L8

[Mcbizz1998]

Maloney so far
P18
W6
D6
L6

Jack Ross last 18 games
W6
D4
L8

We counting Aberdeen and Dundee United in Maloneys wins? When he had been in the door about an hour?

[Hiber-nation]

We counting Aberdeen and Dundee United in Maloneys wins? When he had been in the door about an hour?

Well he was manager of the club so why on earth wouldn't we?

[Hibernia&Alba]

We better keep out of the play offs. Wouldn’t fancy us

Definitely. We need to ensure this team doesn't end up in the play offs. I think we'll be comfortably ahead of the play offs, but I said that the last time we went down. We need a couple of wins asap.

[green.oracle]

Anyway, back in the time line where we aren't Elgin City, we'll be just fine.

Anyway, back in a time line where we are this current Hibs side, you have to score goals to win games. 8 blanks in 13 games this calendar year does not fill me with confidence. Glad you think we'll be just fine.

I'd hate to start first game after the split with St Johnstone away.

[He's here!]

We counting Aberdeen and Dundee United in Maloneys wins? When he had been in the door about an hour?

Bizarre question.

[Killiehibbie]

50/1 available for us to finish 2nd bottom, just in case anybody wants to buy an insurance policy.

[green.oracle]

We’ve beat Aberdeen under Maloney.

Keeping in mind 2 points would leave St Johnstone needing 4 wins and the fact we’ve lost 6 out of 18 under Maloney then I’d suggest there’s little to suggest we’re going to be caught by St Johnstone.

Out of interest, why are St Johnstone, a team who just got scudded 7-0 yesterday and have won 7 games all season going to beat us?

Correct, we have beaten aberdeen under Maloney, albeit he was just in the door. I had been looking at this calendar year since the split.

I agree that 2 points would leave St Johnstone needing 4 wins, at this moment in time and the way we capitulated in the 2nd half yesterday, I can't see us getting 2 points. I hope I'm wrong.

Butcher's team lost 4 of the last 5 games. There is a lot of similarities.

[Sir David Gray]

Well he was manager of the club so why on earth wouldn't we?

It's absolutely right to include Maloney's first two games in charge as part of a summary of his record, however whilst you can only beat the teams in front of you I think what is also important to note is that two of Maloney's wins were against lower league part time sides, one of which we really struggled against.

[Onceinawhile]

Correct, we have beaten aberdeen under Maloney, albeit he was just in the door. I had been looking at this calendar year since the split.

I agree that 2 points would leave St Johnstone needing 4 wins, at this moment in time and the way we capitulated in the 2nd half yesterday, I can't see us getting 2 points. I hope I'm wrong.

Butcher's team lost 4 of the last 5 games. There is a lot of similarities.

St mirren are far more likely to get caught than us.

We are at least drawing games from time to time.

St mirren have lost it since the new manager came in.

[Sir David Gray]

St mirren are far more likely to get caught than us.

We are at least drawing games from time to time.

St mirren have lost it since the new manager came in.

St Mirren's in dreadful form but they've done something in their last five league games which we haven't done which is win.

[Turkish Green]

The trouble with the Bottom 6 is that there are no games against the OF to guarantee defeat. All 6 teams can beat each other (or draw in case if Dundee).

Aberdeen, St Mirren & Livingston can go above Hibs in one game but St Johnstone need to win at least 3 of their 5 games. Our GD is as good as a point so we may end up in 10th spot but a draw would see the gap far too big for St Johnstone to catch.

Sheesh! Discussing relegation possibilities, Maloney is dire.

[bigwheel]

The fact that Motherwell (for example) have ended up top six , after being largely abysmal season - tells us how poor we have been …it’s an absolute shambles of a season - anything could happen to us now

[McGruber]

Maloney so far
P18
W6
D6
L6

Jack Ross last 18 games
W6
D4
L8

Does this comparison include cup runs for both or Ross just league games . Maloney's 6 wins include Cove & Arbroath - Ross include Rangers at Hampden? Devil is in the detail

[Paulie Walnuts]

We counting Aberdeen and Dundee United in Maloneys wins? When he had been in the door about an hour?

What? :faf:

[loanheadhibby]

We're absolutely miles away from not being able to field a team. Nonsense. We had 2 more subs than Hearts yesterday.
I genuinely admire your positivity and optimism but I hope you realise just how bad we are.
Yes injuries have played their part but how sad that we head through to Hampden on Saturday with almost no hope of winning.
It's by no means a great Hearts team but we just don't have the players to beat them.

[Sir David Gray]

Does this comparison include cup runs for both or Ross just league games . Maloney's 6 wins include Cove & Arbroath - Ross include Rangers at Hampden? Devil is in the detail

It's all competitions.

League fixtures only is;

Maloney

P - 15
W - 3
D - 6
L - 6
PTS - 15

Ross' last 15 league games in charge;

P - 15
W - 4
D - 4
L - 7
PTS - 16

Not much in it at all.

[MWHIBBIES]

I genuinely admire your positivity and optimism but I hope you realise just how bad we are.
Yes injuries have played their part but how sad that we head through to Hampden on Saturday with almost no hope of winning.
It's by no means a great Hearts team but we just don't have the players to beat them.

You probably said the same before the huns semi. You'd think we were a part time side going by the pish on here. We certainly do have a chance of winning.

Also, it's nothing optimistic or opinion based. We are miles away from not being able to field 11 players, which is the post I was replying to.

[WeeRussell]

We counting Aberdeen and Dundee United in Maloneys wins? When he had been in the door about an hour?

No, you’re right. The first two games in a manager’s tenure are always, without fail, omitted from the stats.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The fact that Motherwell (for example) have ended up top six , after being largely abysmal season - tells us how poor we have been …it’s an absolute shambles of a season - anything could happen to us now

St Johnstone being cut adrift in eleventh makes life far easier for the rest. I just can't see them escaping the play offs now. If it was closer, I would be worried.