Lack of atmosphere

[Rondon]

First time back today for a while.

I’m going to start going more I think now.

But this is something I really noticed today.

Something seriously needs to be done about the lack of atmosphere at Easter rd. Teams must love coming to us.

Not an intimidating place to come at all anymore.

I think it’s really sad, can anyone on here do something to help sort this out? I mind the days in the old east.

Far too quiet and we need more people constantly singing throughout the game.

[Pagan Hibernia]

A team that wins more than once every three months would be a start

[WeeRussell]

Modern fitbaw with modern stadiums. And a pretty poor team just now.

The old east days are long gone, sadly.

[Rondon]

Modern fitbaw with modern stadiums. And a pretty poor team just now.

The old east days are long gone, sadly.

Yeah but why? They don’t need to be.

Look at epl teams, European teams, the old firm. They all have a section that sings constantly.

No reason why we can’t promote this in the east beside the away end. I don’t understand it myself and tbh find it highly disappointing.

It’s no fun. I don’t know why more people aren’t saying this and wanting a change made???

[Rondon]

A team that wins more than once every three months would be a start

I get that, but it’s no excuse

[NAE NOOKIE]

Dundee United had about 1,700 there today which near enough filled the bottom deck of the south lower, the backing they gave their team compared to the woeful effort from the home crowd, apart from a short period in the second half, must have made it feel near enough like a home game for them.

I'm not going to accuse the OP of being a Jambo troll, but this is the kind of thing one would post. The trouble is even if he is a troll the guy is spot on. I don't know what it will take for Hibs to see what needs to happen here ... the United fans were visible front and centre urging their team on, the Hibs counter to that were stuck up at the end row of a stand in the place most teams would choose to put the away supporters.

Hibs must be the only club in Europe, hell the bloody world, who give away fans a prime spot in the stadium and sideline their most enthusiastic supporters. But what's the sodding point of moaning about it any more, the folk who run this club must be able to see for themselves what this situation is doing to the atmosphere, it's been the same for years and they clearly have no interest in trying to address it by encouraging 1,700 of our own fans to fill the lower deck of the FF every Saturday and do just what the Dundee United fans did today.

ST sales have started for next season and it's same old same old, so clearly next season is already a no go for a FF standing section and a continuation of just what happened today for another season. Maybe one of these days this club will be fortunate enough to find an owner or CEO who understands how much atmosphere matters in professional football, because for 30 years now that clearly hasn't been the case.

[660]

Yeah but why? They don’t need to be.

Look at epl teams, European teams, the old firm. They all have a section that sings constantly.

No reason why we can’t promote this in the east beside the away end. I don’t understand it myself and tbh find it highly disappointing.

It’s no fun. I don’t know why more people aren’t saying this and wanting a change made???

Have you been to games in England? The atmosphere is horrific and has been for 20 years. Scotland was always different but unfortunately is going the same way as we are being commercialised without the finance that the EPL has. Europe or South America will soon be the only places to go for authentic football.

[LaMotta]

Dundee United had about 1,700 there today which near enough filled the bottom deck of the south lower, the backing they gave their team compared to the woeful effort from the home crowd, apart from a short period in the second half, must have made it feel near enough like a home game for them.

I'm not going to accuse the OP of being a Jambo troll, but this is the kind of thing one would post. The trouble is even if he is a troll the guy is spot on. I don't know what it will take for Hibs to see what needs to happen here ... the United fans were visible front and centre urging their team on, the Hibs counter to that were stuck up at the end row of a stand in the place most teams would choose to put the away supporters.

Hibs must be the only club in Europe, hell the bloody world, who give away fans a prime spot in the stadium and sideline their most enthusiastic supporters. But what's the sodding point of moaning about it any more, the folk who run this club must be able to see for themselves what this situation is doing to the atmosphere, it's been the same for years and they clearly have no interest in trying to address it by encouraging 1,700 of our own fans to fill the lower deck of the FF every Saturday and do just what the Dundee United fans did today.

ST sales have started for next season and it's same old same old, so clearly next season is already a no go for a FF standing section and a continuation of just what happened today for another season. Maybe one of these days this club will be fortunate enough to find an owner or CEO who understands how much atmosphere matters in professional football, because for 30 years now that clearly hasn't been the case.

You are spot on as usual about this. It's mad that the club continues to do nothing to alleviate the situation. The solution is obvious as you suggest.

[Rondon]

Dundee United had about 1,700 there today which near enough filled the bottom deck of the south lower, the backing they gave their team compared to the woeful effort from the home crowd, apart from a short period in the second half, must have made it feel near enough like a home game for them.

I'm not going to accuse the OP of being a Jambo troll, but this is the kind of thing one would post. The trouble is even if he is a troll the guy is spot on. I don't know what it will take for Hibs to see what needs to happen here ... the United fans were visible front and centre urging their team on, the Hibs counter to that were stuck up at the end row of a stand in the place most teams would choose to put the away supporters.

Hibs must be the only club in Europe, hell the bloody world, who give away fans a prime spot in the stadium and sideline their most enthusiastic supporters. But what's the sodding point of moaning about it any more, the folk who run this club must be able to see for themselves what this situation is doing to the atmosphere, it's been the same for years and they clearly have no interest in trying to address it by encouraging 1,700 of our own fans to fill the lower deck of the FF every Saturday and do just what the Dundee United fans did today.

ST sales have started for next season and it's same old same old, so clearly next season is already a no go for a FF standing section and a continuation of just what happened today for another season. Maybe one of these days this club will be fortunate enough to find an owner or CEO who understands how much atmosphere matters in professional football, because for 30 years now that clearly hasn't been the case.


Haha no I’m not a ****bo troll, just a genuine fan for over 30 years who’s concerned about the lack of and verging on non existent atmosphere.
I just can’t understand why fans don’t want to sort it

[Rondon]

Have you been to games in England? The atmosphere is horrific and has been for 20 years. Scotland was always different but unfortunately is going the same way as we are being commercialised without the finance that the EPL has. Europe or South America will soon be the only places to go for authentic football.

I’ll be honest mate I’ve been to games in England and I don’t think I’ve ever been to a game as quiet as we’ve been at home the last few years and it’s getting worse.

Can we use this thread for ideas that maybe someone a wee bit more connected with the club can pass on?

[Rondon]

And my first idea is get it back over to the away side of the east this has to be done

[LaMotta]

And my first idea is get it back over to the away side of the east this has to be done

What do you mean mate??

[The Harp Awakes]

Dundee United had about 1,700 there today which near enough filled the bottom deck of the south lower, the backing they gave their team compared to the woeful effort from the home crowd, apart from a short period in the second half, must have made it feel near enough like a home game for them.

I'm not going to accuse the OP of being a Jambo troll, but this is the kind of thing one would post. The trouble is even if he is a troll the guy is spot on. I don't know what it will take for Hibs to see what needs to happen here ... the United fans were visible front and centre urging their team on, the Hibs counter to that were stuck up at the end row of a stand in the place most teams would choose to put the away supporters.

Hibs must be the only club in Europe, hell the bloody world, who give away fans a prime spot in the stadium and sideline their most enthusiastic supporters. But what's the sodding point of moaning about it any more, the folk who run this club must be able to see for themselves what this situation is doing to the atmosphere, it's been the same for years and they clearly have no interest in trying to address it by encouraging 1,700 of our own fans to fill the lower deck of the FF every Saturday and do just what the Dundee United fans did today.

ST sales have started for next season and it's same old same old, so clearly next season is already a no go for a FF standing section and a continuation of just what happened today for another season. Maybe one of these days this club will be fortunate enough to find an owner or CEO who understands how much atmosphere matters in professional football, because for 30 years now that clearly hasn't been the case.

I agree the club could do a lot more to make Easter Road an intimidating place for away teams to come. Have to say though the 1st half today had me totally bored and disinterested. The 2nd half was a bit better. The performance of the team and style of play are a big factor in generating noise and atmosphere in the stadium. We do not have a player just now who would get you on your feet.

[Rondon]

I agree the club could do a lot more to make Easter Road an intimidating place for away teams to come. Have to say though the 1st half today had me totally bored and disinterested. The 2nd half was a bit better. The performance of the team and style of play are a big factor in generating noise and atmosphere in the stadium. We do not have a player just now who would get you on your feet.

This is part of the problem.
It shouldn’t take or need a player or performance to generate an atmosphere

[Rondon]

What do you mean mate??

Sorry, I’ll be more specific.

In the old east from about half way along to the away end of the stand it was mental and was a great laugh. Used to love it.

We need it to be the bottom half of the east, first 3 sections

[LaMotta]

Sorry, I’ll be more specific.

In the old east from about half way along to the away end of the stand it was mental and was a great laugh. Used to love it.

We need it to be the bottom half of the east, first 3 sections

:aok:

[NAE NOOKIE]

I agree the club could do a lot more to make Easter Road an intimidating place for away teams to come. Have to say though the 1st half today had me totally bored and disinterested. The 2nd half was a bit better. The performance of the team and style of play are a big factor in generating noise and atmosphere in the stadium. We do not have a player just now who would get you on your feet.

I'm not saying that isn't a factor mate, of course it is. But I still think having a proper singing section behind the goals would make the atmosphere better no matter how the team was playing.

[Rondon]

Can we get this thread to the relevant people at the club?

[NAE NOOKIE]

Can we get this thread to the relevant people at the club?

Mate, I've lost count of the number of times Hibs have at least alluded to the fact that they keep an eye on the fans social media, in fact more than a few times fans reps on the board ( is there still such a thing ) have posted on here. They know just fine what gets discussed on here, the plain and absolute fact is that they don't actually give a **** !!!

[Rondon]

Mate, I've lost count of the number of times Hibs have at least alluded to the fact that they keep an eye on the fans social media, in fact more than a few times fans reps on the board ( is there still such a thing ) have posted on here. They know just fine what gets discussed on here, the plain and absolute fact is that they don't actually give a **** !!!

We surely just can’t accept this.

We want to encourage kids to come, that’s what got me and prob yourself and most football fans on going to the games in the first place.
If we don’t get this sorted we could lose future fans

[RIP]

I used to stand under the gantry in the old East. It was a low shed and unless it was Hearts or the Old Firm, the Singing Section numbered a few hundred and the sound, although loud underneath, failed to fill the stadium.

The opportunity to create something bigger and better came in 2009 when the new, much larger East was constructed. If it had not been for the creation of the Eastt Stand Singing Section campaign, the hard work of three fans, the support of the HSA and our two messageboards, and the cooperation of CEO Fife Hyland, the 2010 Singing Section in the South upper section of the East would never have been established.

The football on offer during the Calderwood and Fenlon eras was poor. But the seating together of 600 of our most vocal fans in Section 43 led to two seasons of the loudest home support we had in decades. Hibs12thMan, Green Day, regular Tifo, SECT43 left us in a great position atmosphere wise.

Why did it all fall apart? That’s another story.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Dundee United had about 1,700 there today which near enough filled the bottom deck of the south lower, the backing they gave their team compared to the woeful effort from the home crowd, apart from a short period in the second half, must have made it feel near enough like a home game for them.

I'm not going to accuse the OP of being a Jambo troll, but this is the kind of thing one would post. The trouble is even if he is a troll the guy is spot on. I don't know what it will take for Hibs to see what needs to happen here ... the United fans were visible front and centre urging their team on, the Hibs counter to that were stuck up at the end row of a stand in the place most teams would choose to put the away supporters.

Hibs must be the only club in Europe, hell the bloody world, who give away fans a prime spot in the stadium and sideline their most enthusiastic supporters. But what's the sodding point of moaning about it any more, the folk who run this club must be able to see for themselves what this situation is doing to the atmosphere, it's been the same for years and they clearly have no interest in trying to address it by encouraging 1,700 of our own fans to fill the lower deck of the FF every Saturday and do just what the Dundee United fans did today.

ST sales have started for next season and it's same old same old, so clearly next season is already a no go for a FF standing section and a continuation of just what happened today for another season. Maybe one of these days this club will be fortunate enough to find an owner or CEO who understands how much atmosphere matters in professional football, because for 30 years now that clearly hasn't been the case.

Here we go again, relocating the (non) singing section (again) will magic up thousands of fans who want to create atmosphere. Utter nonsense, if people want to congregate together & sing they will do regardless of where situated. The issue is that the numbers who want to make any effort to create any atmosphere don't even reach double figures.

[Jones28]

Can we get this thread to the relevant people at the club?

This issue has been constantly referred to the club. Leanne Dempster was unhelpful and I think moved heaven and earth to push the family friendliness of Easter road before anything else. She got a lot right here but that was a stinker IMO.

As NN says, the solution is staring us in the face. Week in week out you have a half full famous five stand. It would be very easy to move the lower famous fivers up the stairs and put safe standing in behind that goal. Then imagine as a five or six year old watching on from above, they would be desperate to join in on the singing and noise.

The family section thing is pointless anyway, you have kids all over the ground. Just offer the cheaper tickets everywhere.

[LaMotta]

This issue has been constantly referred to the club. Leanne Dempster was unhelpful and I think moved heaven and earth to push the family friendliness of Easter road before anything else. She got a lot right here but that was a stinker IMO.

As NN says, the solution is staring us in the face. Week in week out you have a half full famous five stand. It would be very easy to move the lower famous fivers up the stairs and put safe standing in behind that goal. Then imagine as a five or six year old watching on from above, they would be desperate to join in on the singing and noise.

The family section thing is pointless anyway, you have kids all over the ground. Just offer the cheaper tickets everywhere.

:agree::agree::agree:

[Alfred E Newman]

Here we go again, relocating the (non) singing section (again) will magic up thousands of fans who want to create atmosphere. Utter nonsense, if people want to congregate together & sing they will do regardless of where situated. The issue is that the numbers who want to make any effort to create any atmosphere don't even reach double figures.

The guys in hospitality yesterday had a great time. Some fine renditions of some of the old chants from yesteryear. :party:

[GreenCastle]

Dundee United had about 1,700 there today which near enough filled the bottom deck of the south lower, the backing they gave their team compared to the woeful effort from the home crowd, apart from a short period in the second half, must have made it feel near enough like a home game for them.

I'm not going to accuse the OP of being a Jambo troll, but this is the kind of thing one would post. The trouble is even if he is a troll the guy is spot on. I don't know what it will take for Hibs to see what needs to happen here ... the United fans were visible front and centre urging their team on, the Hibs counter to that were stuck up at the end row of a stand in the place most teams would choose to put the away supporters.

Hibs must be the only club in Europe, hell the bloody world, who give away fans a prime spot in the stadium and sideline their most enthusiastic supporters. But what's the sodding point of moaning about it any more, the folk who run this club must be able to see for themselves what this situation is doing to the atmosphere, it's been the same for years and they clearly have no interest in trying to address it by encouraging 1,700 of our own fans to fill the lower deck of the FF every Saturday and do just what the Dundee United fans did today.

ST sales have started for next season and it's same old same old, so clearly next season is already a no go for a FF standing section and a continuation of just what happened today for another season. Maybe one of these days this club will be fortunate enough to find an owner or CEO who understands how much atmosphere matters in professional football, because for 30 years now that clearly hasn't been the case.

Great post as always on this subject.

Dundee Utd lower tier is what Hibs should trying to achieve FF lower. Even Utd had the central sections standing and some families at end sections.

ER atmosphere is awful and shame as we went through a good spell but the combination of the team being crap and the club not doing enough to make a change means we have to suffer another season of it.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Yeah but why? They don’t need to be.

Look at epl teams, European teams, the old firm. They all have a section that sings constantly.

No reason why we can’t promote this in the east beside the away end. I don’t understand it myself and tbh find it highly disappointing.

It’s no fun. I don’t know why more people aren’t saying this and wanting a change made???

I was at Old Trafford yesterday - 73,000 at the game - there was zero atmosphere - absolutely zero.

The Leicester fans booed Harry McGuire every time he got the ball but the Man Utd fans were silent all game apart from a couple of cheers after they scored.

I did notice a lack of people under 50 years old - football needs to wake up to this - there will be no fans left in a few years!

On the plus side, I didn't hear one swear word at the game.

[S4uzee]

Dundee United had about 1,700 there today which near enough filled the bottom deck of the south lower, the backing they gave their team compared to the woeful effort from the home crowd, apart from a short period in the second half, must have made it feel near enough like a home game for them.

I'm not going to accuse the OP of being a Jambo troll, but this is the kind of thing one would post. The trouble is even if he is a troll the guy is spot on. I don't know what it will take for Hibs to see what needs to happen here ... the United fans were visible front and centre urging their team on, the Hibs counter to that were stuck up at the end row of a stand in the place most teams would choose to put the away supporters.

Hibs must be the only club in Europe, hell the bloody world, who give away fans a prime spot in the stadium and sideline their most enthusiastic supporters. But what's the sodding point of moaning about it any more, the folk who run this club must be able to see for themselves what this situation is doing to the atmosphere, it's been the same for years and they clearly have no interest in trying to address it by encouraging 1,700 of our own fans to fill the lower deck of the FF every Saturday and do just what the Dundee United fans did today.

ST sales have started for next season and it's same old same old, so clearly next season is already a no go for a FF standing section and a continuation of just what happened today for another season. Maybe one of these days this club will be fortunate enough to find an owner or CEO who understands how much atmosphere matters in professional football, because for 30 years now that clearly hasn't been the case.

Correct. Dundee Utd should’ve been upper and lower towards the corner flag. Example being, Gerrard comes in and Celtic given 700 for Ibrox … Rangers results improve in these games

[Since452]

The club does nothing to help our home advantage count. Said it time and time again. We really need proper fan consultation in to what would improve the home atmosphere and minimise the away fans impact. Singing section in lower tier of FF to help suck the ball in the the net, away fans in top corner of south stand, safe standing section etc. All things I've heard on here which would help but seems to be no appetite for it from the club. I know everyone will have a different opinion so a proper fans survey about it without asking how much Edinburgh means to people would be a good start.

[Jones28]

I was at Old Trafford yesterday - 73,000 at the game - there was zero atmosphere - absolutely zero.

The Leicester fans booed Harry McGuire every time he got the ball but the Man Utd fans were silent all game apart from a couple of cheers after they scored.

I did notice a lack of people under 50 years old - football needs to wake up to this - there will be no fans left in a few years!

On the plus side, I didn't hear one swear word at the game.

Re the age thing - I wonder if that’s to do with the pricing?

[Nicho87]

Kensell should be looking at that United support yesterday thinking how good it looked being pretty full, then take a look left and realise the current set up if FF lower is completley flawed.

Get the kids upstairs and new singing section in there pronto.

[Mcbizz1998]

Dundee United had about 1,700 there today which near enough filled the bottom deck of the south lower, the backing they gave their team compared to the woeful effort from the home crowd, apart from a short period in the second half, must have made it feel near enough like a home game for them.

I'm not going to accuse the OP of being a Jambo troll, but this is the kind of thing one would post. The trouble is even if he is a troll the guy is spot on. I don't know what it will take for Hibs to see what needs to happen here ... the United fans were visible front and centre urging their team on, the Hibs counter to that were stuck up at the end row of a stand in the place most teams would choose to put the away supporters.

Hibs must be the only club in Europe, hell the bloody world, who give away fans a prime spot in the stadium and sideline their most enthusiastic supporters. But what's the sodding point of moaning about it any more, the folk who run this club must be able to see for themselves what this situation is doing to the atmosphere, it's been the same for years and they clearly have no interest in trying to address it by encouraging 1,700 of our own fans to fill the lower deck of the FF every Saturday and do just what the Dundee United fans did today.

ST sales have started for next season and it's same old same old, so clearly next season is already a no go for a FF standing section and a continuation of just what happened today for another season. Maybe one of these days this club will be fortunate enough to find an owner or CEO who understands how much atmosphere matters in professional football, because for 30 years now that clearly hasn't been the case.

United sold a lot of tickets but didn’t think they were particularly impressive. Hibs away supports are a LOT louder than that effort.

[GreenCastle]

Kensell should be looking at that United support yesterday thinking how good it looked being pretty full, then take a look left and realise the current set up if FF lower is completley flawed.

Get the kids upstairs and new singing section in there pronto.

Yup.

Not sure how folk are even debating this.

The atmosphere and stadium set up needs improved. Until that happens playing at ER will suit many away teams.

[eastterrace]

Kensell should be looking at that United support yesterday thinking how good it looked being pretty full, then take a look left and realise the current set up if FF lower is completley flawed.

Get the kids upstairs and new singing section in there pronto.it was brought up at the recent AGM and all they said was it’s been noted. So think this will roll on for at least another two seasons minimum.

[Nicho87]

it was brought up at the recent AGM and all they said was it’s been noted. So think this will roll on for at least another two seasons minimum.

Thanks for info on that

Imo it needs sorting as soon as our home form for the last two season suggests something needs done.

[GreenCastle]

In the season ticket information FAQ -

The Famous Five Lower is the home of our family section, and the concourse area was fully refurbished in season 2019-20.

Seems this part about refurbishment is trying to make it clear this isn’t changing any time soon.

[Rondon]

I was at Old Trafford yesterday - 73,000 at the game - there was zero atmosphere - absolutely zero.

The Leicester fans booed Harry McGuire every time he got the ball but the Man Utd fans were silent all game apart from a couple of cheers after they scored.

I did notice a lack of people under 50 years old - football needs to wake up to this - there will be no fans left in a few years!

On the plus side, I didn't hear one swear word at the game.

I’ve been before and the atmosphere wasn’t great, but the end behind the goal sang.

Also have to remember ot is full of tourists. All I heard were foreign and London accents until I sat down. Not that I have a problem with that, but that’s why at home they don’t have a great atmosphere.

I’d say at hibs about 99% of people who attend are actual fans so what’s our excuse?

[The Wireless]

Without being over critical. The powers that be at Easter Road are renowned for talking a good game over the years, however fail our club consistently by not paying attention to its supporters.. The simplest option to improve the stadium atmosphere is staring them in the face and if it went to a vote it would have overwhelming support. It should be the lower tier of the FF stand with an incentive to those relocated moving upstairs. This would provide a better view for young and those who have only a short time inconvenience. Sadly our Club just do not listen and fail us all by their apathy in this matter.

[Rondon]

Here we go again, relocating the (non) singing section (again) will magic up thousands of fans who want to create atmosphere. Utter nonsense, if people want to congregate together & sing they will do regardless of where situated. The issue is that the numbers who want to make any effort to create any atmosphere don't even reach double figures.

Ok so let’s put a positive spin on your negative post.

How do we get the fans to come together and sort it out?

I never understand why when a song starts the whole stadium doesn’t just join in?

Everyone seems to feel the same so why not sing.

Any time I sang yesterday folk were looking as if to say hey this is the rugby sit down. It’s embarrassing

[Zambernardi1875]

I used to stand under the gantry in the old East. It was a low shed and unless it was Hearts or the Old Firm, the Singing Section numbered a few hundred and the sound, although loud underneath, failed to fill the stadium.

The opportunity to create something bigger and better came in 2009 when the new, much larger East was constructed. If it had not been for the creation of the Eastt Stand Singing Section campaign, the hard work of three fans, the support of the HSA and our two messageboards, and the cooperation of CEO Fife Hyland, the 2010 Singing Section in the South upper section of the East would never have been established.

The football on offer during the Calderwood and Fenlon eras was poor. But the seating together of 600 of our most vocal fans in Section 43 led to two seasons of the loudest home support we had in decades. Hibs12thMan, Green Day, regular Tifo, SECT43 left us in a great position atmosphere wise.

Why did it all fall apart? That’s another story.

There was a guy called mick that started or was involved in the original singing
Section. Him and a group from Lancashire drank in the nip. Best years

[Rondon]

I used to stand under the gantry in the old East. It was a low shed and unless it was Hearts or the Old Firm, the Singing Section numbered a few hundred and the sound, although loud underneath, failed to fill the stadium.

The opportunity to create something bigger and better came in 2009 when the new, much larger East was constructed. If it had not been for the creation of the Eastt Stand Singing Section campaign, the hard work of three fans, the support of the HSA and our two messageboards, and the cooperation of CEO Fife Hyland, the 2010 Singing Section in the South upper section of the East would never have been established.

The football on offer during the Calderwood and Fenlon eras was poor. But the seating together of 600 of our most vocal fans in Section 43 led to two seasons of the loudest home support we had in decades. Hibs12thMan, Green Day, regular Tifo, SECT43 left us in a great position atmosphere wise.

Why did it all fall apart? That’s another story.

So can someone on here not get this organised again?

For such a big club in the capital city our organisation is non existent

[Rondon]

This issue has been constantly referred to the club. Leanne Dempster was unhelpful and I think moved heaven and earth to push the family friendliness of Easter road before anything else. She got a lot right here but that was a stinker IMO.

As NN says, the solution is staring us in the face. Week in week out you have a half full famous five stand. It would be very easy to move the lower famous fivers up the stairs and put safe standing in behind that goal. Then imagine as a five or six year old watching on from above, they would be desperate to join in on the singing and noise.

The family section thing is pointless anyway, you have kids all over the ground. Just offer the cheaper tickets everywhere.

No no no! We aren’t a German team, this behind the goals thing is a fantasy. Needs to be in the east beside the away fans for intimidation.

Remember our songs and chants are banter a lot of the time back and fourth between the fans.

I’m Europe it’s different.

Please please please back to the east

[Rondon]

Re the age thing - I wonder if that’s to do with the pricing?

Probably.

The club need to realise charging £30 to play diddy teams is just nonsense.

U13s £5, u16 £10, adult £15.

Then for hearts Celtic rangers they can justify £35 and £15 for kids.

Surely that’s fair.

God put me in charge my ideas on this thread would sort this club out.

So basic and easy to do

[Rondon]

Kensell should be looking at that United support yesterday thinking how good it looked being pretty full, then take a look left and realise the current set up if FF lower is completley flawed.

Get the kids upstairs and new singing section in there pronto.

I’ll email the club with the link to this thread

[Del Boy]

Probably.

The club need to realise charging £30 to play diddy teams is just nonsense.

U13s £5, u16 £10, adult £15.

Then for hearts Celtic rangers they can justify £35 and £15 for kids.

Surely that’s fair.

God put me in charge my ideas on this thread would sort this club out.

So basic and easy to do

To be honest I’m more likely to go to Hibs v Utd or Hibs v Aberdeen than I am to Hibs v either of the weegie bigots. Hearts is the only game that really stands out for me.

[Rondon]

To be honest I’m more likely to go to Hibs v Utd or Hibs v Aberdeen than I am to Hibs v either of the weegie bigots. Hearts is the only game that really stands out for me.

For you yeah, but the of unfortunately for us are the main attraction in Scottish football so most people like to see us beat them including me.

Hate hearts, hate rangers hate Celtic. Actually I hate every team in Scotland apart from hibs 😂

[Rondon]

Ok, so thanks for all contributions to this post.

I’ve sent it to the club and brought up the pricing and atmosphere.

Make sure this stays and I will share any response I get.

[.Sean.]

In the season ticket information FAQ -

The Famous Five Lower is the home of our family section, and the concourse area was fully refurbished in season 2019-20.

Seems this part about refurbishment is trying to make it clear this isn’t changing any time soon.
What did the refurbishment actually include to suggest that?

With Ron Gordon quite clearly all about the ‘matchday experience’ it’s beyond bizarre he seemingly isn’t looking at what will improve the atmosphere at home tenfold, and that’s getting the family section shifted and rail seats in its place.

[Bobo]

In the main, the atmosphere within the stadium should be generated by what is happening on the pitch. It is mostly reactionary with the support feeding from what our players do but is also reciprocated from the stands with the support starting chants etc to try and inspire the players.

The problem is there has been little on the pitch to enthuse the support for too long now and there isn't any sign of improvement coming any time soon. Sadly our owner, CEO and head of Communications etc. appear only to be driven by the pound and how quickly they can get it out of our hands with as little return as possible.

We are becoming more of a business and less of a football club, traditions scrapped (matchday programmes for instance) and true Hibs minded people (Sue, Tam etc) dispensed off as the Hibernian we have known for decades becomes more and more diluted with the influx of people with absolutely no affinity to our club.

I appreciate they are trying to take the club in a different direction but for me it feels less and less like my club with ever decreasing justification for the prices charged for a sub-standard on field product. Every club plays on the loyalty of their fan base to generate income, and that's expected, but it's long past the point where Hibs need to give something back to the support

[LaMotta]

No no no! We aren’t a German team, this behind the goals thing is a fantasy. Needs to be in the east beside the away fans for intimidation.

Remember our songs and chants are banter a lot of the time back and fourth between the fans.

I’m Europe it’s different.

Please please please back to the east


Couldn't disagree more with your post. There normally aren't away fans on the east end of the south stand. It's not about intimidation of opposition fans its more about creating a noisy and visual atmosphere at the stadium and filling a currently sparsely populated unpopular section of the ground which will help the team. It will also help sell the image of the club on TV, which is vital.

[Rondon]

Couldn't disagree more with your post. There normally aren't away fans on the east end of the south stand. It's not about intimidation of opposition fans its more about creating a noisy and visual atmosphere at the stadium and filling a currently sparsely populated unpopular section of the ground which will help the team. It will also help sell the image of the club on TV, which is vital.

Wel put the away fans there then cos again IT WILL CREATE ATMOSPHERE!!

God it’s so simple to sort

[NAE NOOKIE]

Here we go again, relocating the (non) singing section (again) will magic up thousands of fans who want to create atmosphere. Utter nonsense, if people want to congregate together & sing they will do regardless of where situated. The issue is that the numbers who want to make any effort to create any atmosphere don't even reach double figures.

I simply don't believe that's true. I think the truth is this club already has at least 1000 fans who would like to be part of a proper kop area at Easter Road, the trouble is such an area hasn't been available to them since the old east stand was demolished and even that wasn't ideal.

Its no wonder the various groups who have tried to raise interest have had at best moderate success having been punted around the stadium to small sections of various stands, with always the perception that they are being tolerated rather than welcomed by the club. I remain convinced that if they had a self contained part of the stadium to call their own ( IE the 2000 capacity FF lower ) the initial interest would see at least 1000 fans sign up to be part of it and that over time it would grow, especially if the club actively encouraged participation. The self contained aspect to my mind would make all the difference.

In the FF lower the 'ultras' would be front and centre, that higher profile allied hopefully to an understanding that you can expect to have someone waving a flag in front of you during the game, that everybody will be standing and that you can expect to hear more 'industrial' language than you did when it was a family section will enthuse folk who want to be part of an away atmosphere at home games to want to be part of it.

That Dundee United support looked impressive on Saturday and I see absolutely no reason why in time and with the right encouragement the FF lower couldn't look like the south lower did yesterday every other Saturday.

It's just my opinion mate, an opinion I'm pretty sure is shared by the current but clearly flagging singing section, the truth however is that Hibs clearly share your sceptical not to say apathetic view of the ability of our younger fans to make a go of things if given the opportunity and that to my mind is not only a crying shame, but a missed opportunity.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Modern fitbaw with modern stadiums. And a pretty poor team just now.

The old east days are long gone, sadly.

The old East stand was amazing but the new East is way better for Atmosphere. The issue lies with clubs lack of ambition to add the proper tools to the toolbox. The whole idea of building for the future was to be a force one day but all we end up doing is going backwards we have had 2 pretty big springboard moments the 2007 league cup win was one of the moments the club failed to build on and we can add the 2016 Scottish cup win to to that now. soon after wr won that cup and even before it fans were turning up to support the club. But sadly the club just didnt take these opertuntitues to build upon. Mediocrity is the issue the club has massive potential.

[LaMotta]

Wel put the away fans there then cos again IT WILL CREATE ATMOSPHERE!!

God it’s so simple to sort

That doesn't make any sense. It wouldn't sort anything. Because the singing section is currently in the East and there were away fans close by yesterday, but the atmosphere wasnt good enough yesterday from the home fans.

[Rondon]

That doesn't make any sense. It wouldn't sort anything.

Course it would.

Ok here’s an example, see if someone’s shouting abuse at you from way down the street, you might just ignore it.

See if they’re screaming abuse in your face, you’ll react.

Closer you have the away fans to our singing bit the better the banter will be and the atmosphere will be better.

Really simple stuff tbh

[Onceinawhile]

Do people really think having a standing section behind the goals will make a huge difference?

Presumably the red shed at Aberdeen is the reason for their amazing home form and world renowned atmosphere and is the reason they're so far above us in the league?

[LaMotta]

Without being over critical. The powers that be at Easter Road are renowned for talking a good game over the years, however fail our club consistently by not paying attention to its supporters.. The simplest option to improve the stadium atmosphere is staring them in the face and if it went to a vote it would have overwhelming support. It should be the lower tier of the FF stand with an incentive to those relocated moving upstairs. This would provide a better view for young and those who have only a short time inconvenience. Sadly our Club just do not listen and fail us all by their apathy in this matter.

:agree: Now probably the ideal time to have done this given how few season tickets we actually sold in the FF lower this year. Although the way things are going' next year might be a better time to change it unfortunatley.

[LaMotta]

Course it would.

Ok here’s an example, see if someone’s shouting abuse at you from way down the street, you might just ignore it.

See if they’re screaming abuse in your face, you’ll react.

Closer you have the away fans to our singing bit the better the banter will be and the atmosphere will be better.

Really simple stuff tbh

But the singing section is already in the East essentially and the atmosphere is single fish - so what are you actually suggesting changes?

[Lago]

Modern fitbaw with modern stadiums. And a pretty poor team just now.

The old east days are long gone, sadly.
Your right, the same criticism could be made about 90% of Scottish football, dull and mediocre.

[WeeRussell]

The old East stand was amazing but the new East is way better for Atmosphere. The issue lies with clubs lack of ambition to add the proper tools to the toolbox. The whole idea of building for the future was to be a force one day but all we end up doing is going backwards we have had 2 pretty big springboard moments the 2007 league cup win was one of the moments the club failed to build on and we can add the 2016 Scottish cup win to to that now. soon after wr won that cup and even before it fans were turning up to support the club. But sadly the club just didnt take these opertuntitues to build upon. Mediocrity is the issue the club has massive potential.

I disagree re the atmosphere albeit I completely accept the new east had to happen and is now far better in terms of views.

As for EPL games - I’ve been to a few premier league stadiums (including Newcastle a few times - supposedly one of the best in England for supporters and atmosphere?) and the atmosphere was essentially non-existent compared to Scotland.

Things are generally just a bit low and s**t all round just now. The good times will return, but I don’t think now is the time to insist on fans/the club creating a better atmosphere while grinding out draws against Dundee United, it’s just no going to happen.

[LaMotta]

Do people really think having a standing section behind the goals will make a huge difference?

Presumably the red shed at Aberdeen is the reason for their amazing home form and world renowned atmosphere and is the reason they're so far above us in the league?

The Red Shed at Aberdeen has improved the atmosphere considerably at Pittodrie. Their fans are in agreement over that.

When they first trialled it in the cup 2 years ago they sold out all tickets for 2 games in the Red Shed in a couple of days.

This tweet is after their cup game v Edinburgh City earlier this season talking about how good the atmosphere was in there.
https://twitter.com/Robbiehanratty1/status/1484932898163724288?t=TwyN9LVZz36qVrllab0eow&s=19

How do you know the Red Shed hasn't helped the team? They beat Hibs at Pittodrie twice this season with relative ease.

[BoomtownHibees]

Course it would.

Ok here’s an example, see if someone’s shouting abuse at you from way down the street, you might just ignore it.

See if they’re screaming abuse in your face, you’ll react.

Closer you have the away fans to our singing bit the better the banter will be and the atmosphere will be better.

Really simple stuff tbh

You do realise that the singing section is already the closest to the away fans it can be?

[BoomtownHibees]

How do you know the Red Shed hasn't helped the team? They beat Hibs at Pittodrie twice this season with relative ease.

Which they do pretty much every other season.

And they’re currently having one of their worst seasons in years

[LaMotta]

Which they do pretty much every other season.

And they’re currently having one of their worst seasons in years

Yes but the atmosphere has improved. The reason their team hasnt done so well is because they fired a competent manager and replaced him with an untried rookie who didn't cut the mustard. And despite this they could well be in the top 6 whilst we languish in the bottom 6. Things could be worse for Aberdeen if they hadn't brought in the Red Shed.

Having a better atmosphere can't guarantee results on the pitch but it can guarantee a better match day experience whatever the score is.

[dp00]

I’ve always wondered why we don’t put fans in the top Teir ? Instead we give them the chance to create an atmosphere behind the goals for their team

Stick them up in top right corner, if teams like united are selling a full lever let them do top tier ?

Surely it’s cheaper to steward too

[BoomtownHibees]

Yes but the atmosphere has improved. The reason their team hasnt done so well is because they fired a competent manager and replaced him with an untried rookie who didn't cut the mustard. And despite this they could well be in the top 6 whilst we languish in the bottom 6. Things could be worse for Aberdeen if they hadn't brought in the Red Shed.

Having a better atmosphere can't guarantee results on the pitch but it can guarantee a better match day experience whatever the score is.

Aye but your question was about helping the team on the pitch. Not sure how you measure that other than using results as a barometer. I don’t think saying “they could be worse without them” really helps your argument.

I’m all for trying something different and having something in the FFL seems the obvious thing to try however I’m not convinced it would change a huge amount in comparison to what we have just now. The thing that will improve the atmosphere is something better to watch on the pitch imo

[Rondon]

But the singing section is already in the East essentially and the atmosphere is single fish - so what are you actually suggesting changes?

That’s the point of this thread, suggestions

[Rondon]

Your right, the same criticism could be made about 90% of Scottish football, dull and mediocre.

Right ok, so why do hibs have to be the same as everyone else?

[LaMotta]

Aye but your question was about helping the team on the pitch. Not sure how you measure that other than using results as a barometer. I don’t think saying “they could be worse without them” really helps your argument.

I’m all for trying something different and having something in the FFL seems the obvious thing to try however I’m not convinced it would change a huge amount in comparison to what we have just now. The thing that will improve the atmosphere is something better to watch on the pitch imo

The question was about will it make a difference.

Based on Aberdeen's experience then it absolutely would make a difference in terms of improving atmosphere.

But we have no idea if it has made a difference to the team. Because we never can know. You were suggesting that Aberdeen were having a poor season so the Red Shed hasn't helped them. But my point is you don't know that because it may well have helped them.

In fact the Red Shed at Aberdeen is the perfect argument for change - because despite them having a poor season, the atmosphere has actually got better.:cb

[LaMotta]

That’s the point of this thread, suggestions

Yeah but you have dismissed the most popular suggestion ( FF lower singing section), yet you haven't advocated any new suggestions yourself. You are saying the atmosphere needs to change but are proposing the status quo, unless I'm missing something.

[RIP]

I simply don't believe that's true. I think the truth is this club already has at least 1000 fans who would like to be part of a proper kop area at Easter Road, the trouble is such an area hasn't been available to them since the old east stand was demolished and even that wasn't ideal.

😂 So were you out of the country when the fans got together with Fyfe Hyland to create the East Stand Singing Section in S43? Where were you when we raised funds for the flag cabinets, held Green Days, colourful TIFOs, sang for three quarters of the match, paraded the Bounce and Hibs.Net flags? Between 2010 and 2012 we had the best atmosphere Easter Road had seen since the Tornadoes era.


I remain convinced that if they had a self contained part of the stadium to call their own ( IE the 2000 capacity FF lower ) the initial interest would see at least 1000 fans sign up to be part of it and that over time it would grow, especially if the club actively encouraged participation. The self contained aspect to my mind would make all the difference.

In 2009,I collected the names of 450 people who were prepared to buy tickets in the same position in the new East Stand as the ‘Gantry Boys’ had stood in the Old East. The area assigned was Section 43, rows M up to GG if I remember correctly. When the club advertised the section it attracted others and in a 6,000 capacity stand the singing started in a few rows and spread up, down and across from sections 41 to 45.

When the young team left for the Famous Five, the experiment ultimately failed to draw fans away from the East. So they came back beside the away fans. The Ultras at St Johnstone, Motherwell and other grounds also choose the same proximity to the opposition support.

[Jones28]

No no no! We aren’t a German team, this behind the goals thing is a fantasy. Needs to be in the east beside the away fans for intimidation.

Remember our songs and chants are banter a lot of the time back and fourth between the fans.

I’m Europe it’s different.

Please please please back to the east

We would still have the same issues: that hum drum games that aren’t against Hearts, Celtic or Rangers are going to be less atmospheric than those that are.

Add to that the away fans are usually on the far side of the ground to the East, so if you’re wanting to advocate anything, it should be the lower west where the safe standing/singing section/whatever actually is.

Why is europe different? They have incredible atmospheres. And Crystal Palace have one of the most renowned groups of ultras in the country, they’re behind the goals. There’s no copy and paste solution here. I think safe standing would attract the kind of people that like a sing song at games, both young and old, and it would take away the problem of the Famous Five lower which has been an issue since the new east opened.

[LaMotta]

😂 So were you out of the country when the fans got together with Fyfe Hyland to create the East Stand Singing Section in S43? Where were you when we raised funds for the flag cabinets, held Green Days, colourful TIFOs, sang for three quarters of the match, paraded the Bounce and Hibs.Net flags? Between 2010 and 2012 we had the best atmosphere Easter Road had seen since the Tornadoes era.



In 2009,I collected the names of 450 people who were prepared to buy tickets in the same position in the new East Stand as the ‘Gantry Boys’ had stood in the Old East. The area assigned was Section 43, rows M up to GG if I remember correctly. When the club advertised the section it attracted others and in a 6,000 capacity stand the singing started in a few rows and spread up, down and across from sections 41 to 45.

When the young team left for the Famous Five, the experiment ultimately failed to draw fans away from the East. So they came back beside the away fans. The Ultras at St Johnstone, Motherwell and other grounds also choose the same proximity to the opposition support.

The famous five experiment was doomed from the start because they were shunted in the far corner of the upper tier. It's not fair to use as any comparison of how it might work in the lower tier.

[Winston Ingram]

First time back today for a while.

I’m going to start going more I think now.

But this is something I really noticed today.

Something seriously needs to be done about the lack of atmosphere at Easter rd. Teams must love coming to us.

Not an intimidating place to come at all anymore.

I think it’s really sad, can anyone on here do something to help sort this out? I mind the days in the old east.

Far too quiet and we need more people constantly singing throughout the game.

The reason there is no atmosphere is mainly down to our football being so dull.

[Billy McKirdy]

When the south stand when split vertically for the 5-5 hun game I was in the Hibs section that day and what an atmosphere.

[Rondon]

We would still have the same issues: that hum drum games that aren’t against Hearts, Celtic or Rangers are going to be less atmospheric than those that are.

Add to that the away fans are usually on the far side of the ground to the East, so if you’re wanting to advocate anything, it should be the lower west where the safe standing/singing section/whatever actually is.

Why is europe different? They have incredible atmospheres. And Crystal Palace have one of the most renowned groups of ultras in the country, they’re behind the goals. There’s no copy and paste solution here. I think safe standing would attract the kind of people that like a sing song at games, both young and old, and it would take away the problem of the Famous Five lower which has been an issue since the new east opened.

Has to b back to the east

[Rondon]

Yeah but you have dismissed the most popular suggestion ( FF lower singing section), yet you haven't advocated any new suggestions yourself. You are saying the atmosphere needs to change but are proposing the status quo, unless I'm missing something.

I said get it back to the east.

If we can make it work in the ff then go for it.
I just want atmosphere

[Jones28]

Has to b back to the east

You can’t give a single credible reason for it to be the east stand. Putting safe standing in the ff lower would be killing two birds with one stone.

[Iggy Pope]

The reason there is no atmosphere is mainly down to our football being so dull.

In a nutshell. Easter Road had plenty atmosphere before ‘singing sections’.

[RIP]

The famous five experiment was doomed from the start because they were shunted in the far corner of the upper tier. It's not fair to use as any comparison of how it might work in the lower tier.

I acknowledge that.

My main point was that since the days of Cowshed behind the goals forty years ago, the preference of the majority of our most vociferous supporters has been to congregate in the East beside the away support. The new East, with its steep rake and single tier provides a brilliant view of the pitch. The original singing section in 2010 attracted singers of all ages, from teenagers to sixty year olds. I was one of the latter 😀

The suggestion that 1,000 supporters would give up their chosen seats high in the East to be stuck low behind a set of goalposts is an unrealistic pipedream in my view. But maybe we should do a public poll on the subject?

[Coco Bryce]

Everyone is sitting on their phones that's why. Loads of people round about us where too busy checking other scores, horse results and Twitter during the 1st half yesterday. Probably just bored ****less to be fair.

[blackpoolhibs]

FF lower all standing, then get a team on the park that win and dont just pass the ball around the back 3/4 all game.

[LaMotta]

I acknowledge that.

My main point was that since the days of Cowshed behind the goals forty years ago, the preference of the majority of our most vociferous supporters has been to congregate in the East beside the away support. The new East, with its steep rake and single tier provides a brilliant view of the pitch. The original singing section in 2010 attracted singers of all ages, from teenagers to sixty year olds. I was one of the latter 😀

The suggestion that 1,000 supporters would give up their chosen seats high in the East to be stuck low behind a set of goalposts is an unrealistic pipedream in my view. But maybe we should do a public poll on the subject?


Yes you are right about that - but I would say the main reason for that happening was because Hibs introduced horrendous bench seating in the cowshed at that point. Doing that killed any chance of a raucous atmosphere behind the goal. I think that had a real negative impact on the stadium and matchday experience over the following 20 years or so.

I think people would want to be part of a new exciting section behind the goals. The middle sections behind the goals are far better seats than the far end of the East Stand IMO. When you are shooting down the slope second half they are some of the best seats in the house.

[BoomtownHibees]

I said get it back to the east.

If we can make it work in the ff then go for it.
I just want atmosphere

You seem to be ignoring the multiple times you’ve been told that the singing section is already in the East

[Babyshamble]

Work commitments has stopped me going this season.ive used my season ticket 3 times.i used to take holidays for games.not now.terrible atmosphere,pish football.i loved being back.i wasn't going to renew.but I did this morning.a lot of things need to change tho.

[WhileTheChief..]

We keep trying to be a 'family club' catering for families and kids. You'll never get an atmosphere this way.

It doesn't work and we should stop it.

We should be targeting 15 - 30 years olds.

I keep banging this drum, but check the adverts on Sky when the football is on. They're not for Lego or Haribo. They're for BMW and Gillette etc for a reason.

[skankomcphee]

When the south stand when split vertically for the 5-5 hun game I was in the Hibs section that day and what an atmosphere.

Think back to the football we were playing at that time. It’s like night and day from the dull, insipid thin gruel that we’re seeing at the moment. The fans are bored senseless - a lot of the folk around me spend more time on their phones than watching the game, and indeed there was a guy in the row in front watching the Lions v Edinburgh Rugby match during the first half yesterday. Will be interesting to see how many of these folk renew next season.

[RIP]

I think people would want to be part of a new exciting section behind the goals. The middle sections behind the goals are far better seats than the far end of the East Stand IMO. When you are shooting down the slope second half they are some of the best seats in the house.

You could be right in your belief. How do you fancy posting a poll to test that theory?

[LaMotta]

You could be right in your belief. How do you fancy posting a poll to test that theory?

I might just do that, however I would wager that the demographic of Hibs.Net is swayed towards a slightly older Hibs fan, so not sure it would give us an accurate picture of what our fanbase thinks.

The poll would have 2 options I would think -1) singing Section in FF lower with family tickets moved elsewhere. Or 2) Keep things as they are.

[GreenCastle]

Do people really think having a standing section behind the goals will make a huge difference?

Presumably the red shed at Aberdeen is the reason for their amazing home form and world renowned atmosphere and is the reason they're so far above us in the league?

Yes. Plenty teams around the world have it behind the goal and it makes a difference.

Anyway it’s about Easter Road and the FF lower is either half empty or quiet doing nothing to help the players.

Think our best away supports and fans behind the goals - we have proved it can work just need the club to help it along and make a change.

They have already set it back a season now - which I feel is a bad judgment especially when trying to sell ST for next season will be difficult as it is with the team being so poor.

[MWHIBBIES]

You seem to be ignoring the multiple times you’ve been told that the singing section is already in the East

Yeah. Where does the op actually think the current singing section is?

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Ok so let’s put a positive spin on your negative post.

How do we get the fans to come together and sort it out?

I never understand why when a song starts the whole stadium doesn’t just join in?

Everyone seems to feel the same so why not sing.

Any time I sang yesterday folk were looking as if to say hey this is the rugby sit down. It’s embarrassing

Agreed, why would shuffling a few individuals around (again) change anything?
Of course it wouldn't but the mouth off loons on here have the solution.

[RIP]

I might just do that, however I would wager that the demographic of Hibs.Net is swayed towards a slightly older Hibs fan, so not sure it would give us an accurate picture of what our fanbase thinks.

The poll would have 2 options I would think -1) singing Section in FF lower with family tickets moved elsewhere. Or 2) Keep things as they are.

Sorry friend but I’ve seen multiple polls on that question over the years and spoken to loads of fans who favour the FF lower for a safe standing ultras section. The advocates for that solution are often supporters who expect others to occupy the section, not themselves.

What nobody appears keen on finding out is how many season ticket holders or walk ups are actually ready and willing to commit to moving into that section should it be established.

If, say we get hundreds of sign ups, then it’s clearly worth the Hibs Supporters Association organising a meeting with club management. If not, then it’s probably time to look at other options.

[wookie70]

Yes. Plenty teams around the world have it behind the goal and it makes a difference.

Anyway it’s about Easter Road and the FF lower is either half empty or quiet doing nothing to help the players.

Think our best away supports and fans behind the goals - we have proved it can work just need the club to help it along and make a change.

They have already set it back a season now - which I feel is a bad judgment especially when trying to sell ST for next season will be difficult as it is with the team being so poor.

The current singing section is just as empty as the Famous Five lower and seems to feature about 50 fans who don't really sing that much. They were out sung by the boys in hospitality in the West yesterday. I get the build it and they will come argument but I'd rather build an exciting team and that way the atmosphere will come from all 3 stands.

Do the section 43 fans still attend the games. They definitely could have made a case for a move behind the goals as they did create an atmosphere and possibly could have created something. Do they still sing at games as if they had moved behind the goals and grew older perhaps they would have kept their seats and stopped the next group of youngster who wanted to create and atmosphere getting seats in that area.

My other worry with the current group is that they seem to have attracted some right fandans either hanging on to the group or part of them when we travel. Motherwell was terrible and there has been some really ****my behaviour at Tiny too. My worry would be that it would create a place for that type of behaviour but I suppose at least other fans could avoid it.

[Feed McGraw]

I acknowledge that.

My main point was that since the days of Cowshed behind the goals forty years ago, the preference of the majority of our most vociferous supporters has been to congregate in the East beside the away support. The new East, with its steep rake and single tier provides a brilliant view of the pitch. The original singing section in 2010 attracted singers of all ages, from teenagers to sixty year olds. I was one of the latter 😀

The suggestion that 1,000 supporters would give up their chosen seats high in the East to be stuck low behind a set of goalposts is an unrealistic pipedream in my view. But maybe we should do a public poll on the subject? Some good, well thought out points there, but surely it was more like 50 years ago they put those benches in what I and many others called the Cave and lost a lot of the atmosphere ( honestly don`t want to start another Cave v Cowshed debate :greengrin) Time moves so fast !!

[LaMotta]

Sorry friend but I’ve seen multiple polls on that question over the years and spoken to loads of fans who favour the FF lower for a safe standing ultras section. The advocates for that solution are often supporters who expect others to occupy the section, not themselves.

What nobody appears keen on finding out is how many season ticket holders or walk ups are actually ready and willing to commit to moving into that section should it be established.

If, say we get hundreds of sign ups, then it’s clearly worth the Hibs Supporters Association organising a meeting with club management. If not, then it’s probably time to look at other options.

So why are you trying to get me to start a poll if you think there is no point to it? :greengrin

What other options are there though? Everything else has been tried. So basically we are saying this is it, we can't change things.

[LaMotta]

Agreed, why would shuffling a few individuals around (again) change anything?
Of course it wouldn't but the mouth off loons on here have the solution.

There's actual evidence of people being shuffled about about at Pittodrie and it making a big difference to their atmosphere. So you can't say of course it wouldn't.

Mouth off loons though -hahaha. That's some description of people with a different opinion from yourself in what has been a pretty constructive discussion overall. Absolutely no need.

[DIXIHIBS]

Some good, well thought out points there, but surely it was more like 50 years ago they put those benches in what I and many others called the Cave and lost a lot of the atmosphere ( honestly don`t want to start another Cave v Cowshed debate :greengrin) Time moves so fast !!
Cowshed😀😀

[Feed McGraw]

Cowshed😀😀 Maybe we should have called it " Caveshed " :greengrin:greengrin

[chrisski33]

I said get it back to the east.

If we can make it work in the ff then go for it.
I just want atmosphere

Maybe ask the p.a to play Russ Abbots song Atmosphere!
https://youtu.be/RFPLk5mJ1D4

[Nakedmanoncrack]

There's actual evidence of people being shuffled about about at Pittodrie and it making a big difference to their atmosphere. So you can't say of course it wouldn't.

Mouth off loons though -hahaha. That's some description of people with a different opinion from yourself in what has been a pretty constructive discussion overall. Absolutely no need.

Theres factual evidence closer to home of moving people about making zero difference - yet the usual suspects come on and mouth off as though they have a simple solution, regardless of the negative impact on others (those currently in FF Lower), and regardless of their complete disinterest in being part of the solution.

[LaMotta]

Theres factual evidence closer to home of moving people about making zero difference - yet the usual suspects come on and mouth off as though they have a simple solution, regardless of the negative impact on others (those currently in FF Lower), and regardless of their complete disinterest in being part of the solution.

Come on - that move to the far corner of the FF upper was never the answer. That shouldn't be used as evidence because it could never work properly.

The Famous Five lower has a quite frankly pathetic amount of season tickets sold there currently. And the way things are going that number will only get smaller next season. It's been a valid topic of discussion for seasons now and it wont go away. But nobody is suggesting change just to piss off the relatively small number of fans who currently benefit from some of the cheapest seats available. It comes from a genuine place of wanting to improve things at Easter Road for the better. You might not agree with that stance ( presumably because you sit in the FF lower) and that's fine, but you shouldn't be surprised with people offering their opinion (or mouthing off as you call it) on a fans forum.:wink:

[RIP]

So why are you trying to get me to start a poll if you think there is no point to it? :greengrin

What other options are there though? Everything else has been tried. So basically we are saying this is it, we can't change things.

What we need is what we did in 2009. Stop talking and start doing

Start a poll asking for fans to sign up for the section
If enough support then start a Facebook Campaign Group to build momentum
Once we have 500 fans signed up organise a meeting with the HSA, club management and the current Ultras

[matty_f]

IMHO the area of the ground where a singing section is placed is almost irrelevant.

Atmosphere at the games doesn’t have to come from contrived groups or sections - it’s fundamentally down to people. Too many folk sit on their phones instead of getting involved in the game, and that’s often down to the lack of anything exciting happening on the pitch.

Easter Rd is a cracking stadium, we’ve heard it and its best at times when it’s full and the fans are in the mood.

[Juniper Greens]

Come on - that move to the far corner of the FF upper was never the answer. That shouldn't be used as evidence because it could never work properly.

The Famous Five lower has a quite frankly pathetic amount of season tickets sold there currently. And the way things are going that number will only get smaller next season. It's been a valid topic of discussion for seasons now and it wont go away. But nobody is suggesting change just to piss off the relatively small number of fans who currently benefit from some of the cheapest seats available. It comes from a genuine place of wanting to improve things at Easter Road for the better. You might not agree with that stance ( presumably because you sit in the FF lower) and that's fine, but you shouldn't be surprised with people offering their opinion (or mouthing off as you call it) on a fans forum.:wink:

Actually quite a large number of STHs in FFL. Just people can't turn up for other commitments every other week.

I took a mate to a game with a spare ST I had a few weeks back, and he was really really shocked at how old our support is. I suspect thsts why the atmosphere has dampened....yet the one initiative the club has to get he next generation of fans in...People want them turfed out!
Solution to fix atmosphere, covered fan zone near the ground, opening at 12 every Saturday. Live music, pints and pies, nothing more. Make coming to ER the highlight of the Saturday again, not the chore that you need to do, which removes you from the boozer for a few hours.
Even things like getting the TV back on in the concourses will help a bit tbh.

[LaMotta]

Actually quite a large number of STHs in FFL. Just people can't turn up for other commitments every other week.

I took a mate to a game with a spare ST I had a few weeks back, and he was really really shocked at how old our support is. I suspect thsts why the atmosphere has dampened....yet the one initiative the club has to get he next generation of fans in...People want them turfed out!
Solution to fix atmosphere, covered fan zone near the ground, opening at 12 every Saturday. Live music, pints and pies, nothing more. Make coming to ER the highlight of the Saturday again, not the chore that you need to do, which removes you from the boozer for a few hours.
Even things like getting the TV back on in the concourses will help a bit tbh.

You can tell how many season tickets we sold there by how many seats are available now for purchase next season in that stand. Generous estimate its only about half full currently with season tickets.

You're right a lot don't turn up a lot of the time. That's another reason why family seats should be in a different part of the ground IMO - out of sight of the TV cameras because the empty seats don't help the clubs image.

[superfurryhibby]

Actually quite a large number of STHs in FFL. Just people can't turn up for other commitments every other week.

I took a mate to a game with a spare ST I had a few weeks back, and he was really really shocked at how old our support is. I suspect thsts why the atmosphere has dampened....yet the one initiative the club has to get he next generation of fans in...People want them turfed out!
Solution to fix atmosphere, covered fan zone near the ground, opening at 12 every Saturday. Live music, pints and pies, nothing more. Make coming to ER the highlight of the Saturday again, not the chore that you need to do, which removes you from the boozer for a few hours.
Even things like getting the TV back on in the concourses will help a bit tbh.

I think the average football fan wants more than a pie and a pint as offerings in order to tempt them to ground up to three hours before kick off. I do agree that making coming to ER less than duty is desirable though.

[GreenCastle]

I think some people are missing the point.

The atmosphere is rubbish. We need to do more to improve it and make ER a fun place to be.

Of course results and better football would help BUT we can also play our part and try do something different and make ER a better venue.

If FF lower was full every game or even half full fine but it’s not and even Cat A games it’s not always full.

Hibs need to try something different - a safe standing area would be a great start and I’m certain it would grow.

Not just that - but the big games the atmosphere would be electric if it was full.

The East stand can keep its section - no one is staying it can’t - we need noise on all sides of the stadium and to do something that makes ER an enjoyable experience as right now it’a getting worse so not sure how bad it needs to get for the club / fans to do something.

[GreenCastle]

Actually quite a large number of STHs in FFL. Just people can't turn up for other commitments every other week.

I took a mate to a game with a spare ST I had a few weeks back, and he was really really shocked at how old our support is. I suspect thsts why the atmosphere has dampened....yet the one initiative the club has to get he next generation of fans in...People want them turfed out!
Solution to fix atmosphere, covered fan zone near the ground, opening at 12 every Saturday. Live music, pints and pies, nothing more. Make coming to ER the highlight of the Saturday again, not the chore that you need to do, which removes you from the boozer for a few hours.
Even things like getting the TV back on in the concourses will help a bit tbh.

You make some good points and it’s been mentioned about people looking at phones etc and leaving games early.

If there was a proper entertaining section with flags and drums behind the goals I’m sure it would keep fans more entertained.

I’m not sure why the televisions don’t show live coverage anymore ? It’s annoying I’m sure for the folk who have to wait for food and with the slow service miss parts of the game.

[nickwhibs]

I think some people are missing the point.

The atmosphere is rubbish. We need to do more to improve it and make ER a fun place to be.

Of course results and better football would help BUT we can also play our part and try do something different and make ER a better venue.

If FF lower was full every game or even half full fine but it’s not and even Cat A games it’s not always full.

Hibs need to try something different - a safe standing area would be a great start and I’m certain it would grow.

Not just that - but the big games the atmosphere would be electric if it was full.

The East stand can keep its section - no one is staying it can’t - we need noise on all sides of the stadium and to do something that makes ER an enjoyable experience as right now it’a getting worse so not sure how bad it needs to get for the club / fans to do something.

Agreed. I’d be fully behind something like this to help improve the atmosphere. We haven’t had much to shout about lately but we and the club can still do our bit to make it more enjoyable.

[.Sean.]

Everyone is sitting on their phones that's why. Loads of people round about us where too busy checking other scores, horse results and Twitter during the 1st half yesterday. Probably just bored ****less to be fair.
The boys behind me are the absolute worst for this and it does my tits in. Kept going on about the Man City game in particular. Felt like I was in the hoose watching Soccer Saturday

[weecounty hibby]

I would move towards a singing section(lower FF for me)in a minute and I'm 53. Best games of the season so far. Motherwell away x 2 and Hun semi final. Great atmosphere and hoarse next day from constant singing. What puts me off is the Motherwell Cup game. The knobs who were throwing seats and bottles and pyro onto the pitch are not who I want to be anywhere near, and I assume they would also be part of that singing area. Dunno what the answer is to be honest but something needs to happen as it is terrible at er just now.

[Hibernian Verse]

The boys behind me are the absolute worst for this and it does my tits in. Kept going on about the Man City game in particular. Felt like I was in the hoose watching Soccer Saturday

That's what those boys will be doing a week on Saturday.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Actually quite a large number of STHs in FFL. Just people can't turn up for other commitments every other week.

I took a mate to a game with a spare ST I had a few weeks back, and he was really really shocked at how old our support is. I suspect thsts why the atmosphere has dampened....yet the one initiative the club has to get he next generation of fans in...People want them turfed out!
Solution to fix atmosphere, covered fan zone near the ground, opening at 12 every Saturday. Live music, pints and pies, nothing more. Make coming to ER the highlight of the Saturday again, not the chore that you need to do, which removes you from the boozer for a few hours.
Even things like getting the TV back on in the concourses will help a bit tbh.

that is just emotive language and it’s not true.

no one wants anyone “turfed out”. Adult conversations need to be had about ground configuration and what areas are most suitable to a family section (and having one of those is essential in my book) and what areas are most suitable to have the likes of a safe standing area. All points need to be considered. Atmosphere, how it looks having an empty ‘home end’ behind the goals etc

[NAE NOOKIE]

I think some people are missing the point.

The atmosphere is rubbish. We need to do more to improve it and make ER a fun place to be.

Of course results and better football would help BUT we can also play our part and try do something different and make ER a better venue.

If FF lower was full every game or even half full fine but it’s not and even Cat A games it’s not always full.

Hibs need to try something different - a safe standing area would be a great start and I’m certain it would grow.

Not just that - but the big games the atmosphere would be electric if it was full.

The East stand can keep its section - no one is staying it can’t - we need noise on all sides of the stadium and to do something that makes ER an enjoyable experience as right now it’a getting worse so not sure how bad it needs to get for the club / fans to do something.

Bang on mate. The crowd at fitba shouldn't be there simply to witness the experience, they should be part of it. From time to time in my more bored moments I scan You Tube for films of fans in South America, these wee films are probably more entertaining than the actual fitba .... the scenes at Rosario Central, certainly not the biggest or most successful club in Argentina are absolutely amazing, something we could never match in a million years. But the fact is we are being left in the dust by a number of clubs in Major League Soccer, never mind century old leagues full of Latin passion.

If we can't be respected for the fitba we play or how many trophies we have won we can at least try to build some sort of reputation for Easter Road as a venue where the crowd make the game an enjoyable experience even if the actual game is mince. The way some folk go on you would think that this is impossible and that we don't have the fans to achieve that .... there is absolutely no truth in either statement, not if the club and the fans come together to make it happen.

It never will so long as we have people who think attending fitba should be like a trip to the cinema, who nay say anybody looking to make any change seen as even slightly radical, like an FF safe standing section, and a club run by people who agree with them.

Check out these You Tube videos and honestly tell me you wouldn't want to be part of such an atmosphere, or at least a slightly sanitised Scottish version of it ... I know what I would prefer and I'm 62 FFS.

PS ... Closer to home look at Crystal Palace ... hardly England's biggest club, but their fans attempts to ramp up the atmosphere at Selhurst Park have drawn admiration from pundits and other club's fans .... if they can do that, so can we.

[hibsforeurope]

i Don't see why we can't put rail seating/safestanding in the whole FFL, if it's only currently half full of ST holders make the West side the family section and the East for the rest. It doesn't need to be called anything but like at Motherwell away the ability to stand seemed to get everyone involved.
No one is displaced out their stand and behind the goals will look fuller.

My daughter was fascinated by the noise coming from the away end on Saturday, due to not taking her to the Hearts or Weegie games, it was the 1st time she's heard a decent atmosphere in the ground, all-be-it fromt he away end.

[timewilltell]

Maybe just play better football to watch..?

[wookie70]

that is just emotive language and it’s not true.

no one wants anyone “turfed out”. Adult conversations need to be had about ground configuration and what areas are most suitable to a family section (and having one of those is essential in my book) and what areas are most suitable to have the likes of a safe standing area. All points need to be considered. Atmosphere, how it looks having an empty ‘home end’ behind the goals etc

I want anyone who is going to invade the pitch or throw items on to it turfed out and banned for a good while. I really couldn't care less how the FF lower looks on the TV as I will be at the game and concerned about the atmosphere. An atmosphere that has at times been electric and usually starts in the east by fans close to teh away fans. That has been the case for about 50 years.

[LaMotta]

Maybe just play better football to watch..?

I've seen this written a few times on the thread now as if that is the obvious solution and nothing else matters.Of course better football will lead to more goals, more wins, more singing better atmosphere etc etc.

It's not that easy though is it? It's been the goal of every Hibs manager in existence but sometimes you can't just magic up better football.

We need the stadium to be as atmospheric as possible and an attractive location to play and watch football when the football isn't as good as it could be. A few years ago when Hibs were courting players the full stadium Sunshine on Leith rendition videos were a key part of that. Fans of clubs from across the UK and beyond saying they would love to come ER to experience that.

If we are trying to sign a player who is being offered similar wages by another club then a number of issues will then come into a players thinking as to who they will choose. The stadium and atmosphere will no doubt come into that thinking.

Doyle Hayes wonder goal v Ross County was all over social media nationwide recently - imagine how much better that footage would have been with a full bouncing FF lower going mental at the goal?

[flash]

You think our atmosphere is bad you should try watching Moon F.C.

[LaMotta]

I want anyone who is going to invade the pitch or throw items on to it turfed out and banned for a good while. I really couldn't care less how the FF lower looks on the TV as I will be at the game and concerned about the atmosphere. An atmosphere that has at times been electric and usually starts in the east by fans close to teh away fans. That has been the case for about 50 years.

Too many people missing the benefits of how the club is percieved on TV ( and not just TV, social media, YouTube etc too). It matters for various reasons.

And no one is saying that The East Stand would need to turn into a Library. The East will always be vital in helping generate atmosphere at ER.

[GreenCastle]

Maybe just play better football to watch..?

It’s got that bad these days our home support is getting out sung by Dundee Utd and St Johnstone fans.

We can talk about the past and atmosphere and supporters groups etc but the truth is I can’t see this improving any time soon unless the club makes a change and push it.

There should have been something in the ST info about changing the section as soon as next season is over to at least give FF lower folk a chance to think about relocating.

[Since90+2]

The atmosphere can't be any worse at ER. The FF lower might work as a galvanising point for a singing section to grow or it might not, but I really think we should take the chance to find out.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Too many people missing the benefits of how the club is percieved on TV ( and not just TV, social media, YouTube etc too). It matters for various reasons.

And no one is saying that The East Stand would need to turn into a Library. The East will always be vital in helping generate atmosphere at ER.

Jeezo mate, me and you should get a room .... I doubt there has been a poster on the meany threads on this subject over too many years whose take on things and understanding of what a good atmosphere means to a clubs public image and how it can have a positive effect on it's ability to attract support and give it good standing with other supporters actually means.

Keep it up :aok:

[BoomtownHibees]

Jeezo mate, me and you should get a room .... I doubt there has been a poster on the meany threads on this subject over too many years whose take on things and understanding of what a good atmosphere means to a clubs public image and how it can have a positive effect on it's ability to attract support and give it good standing with other supporters actually means.

Keep it up :aok:

Why don’t you both take it on then and see what can be done? You both seem passionate enough about it so why not get the ball rolling

[NAE NOOKIE]

I want anyone who is going to invade the pitch or throw items on to it turfed out and banned for a good while. I really couldn't care less how the FF lower looks on the TV as I will be at the game and concerned about the atmosphere. An atmosphere that has at times been electric and usually starts in the east by fans close to teh away fans. has beeThat n the case for about 50 years.

For most of that 50 years the atmosphere on the East side of the ground has been nothing to write home about, for a lot of that 50 years the atmosphere at ER came more from the north end of the old west stand .. for most of the 70s that 'atmosphere' you talk about was from a pathetic wee gathering around the TV platform at the top of the terracing as part of 7000 crowds, on a good day. After it was reduced and covered the atmosphere was great, if you were actually in the east, even before the new stand was built folk in other parts of the stadium were saying they could barely make out the noise the east thought it was generating.

So the 'it's aye been' trope isn't much use here in my opinion. Since the new east was built there has been times it has been absolutely rocking and not just in big games. But the truth is that for 90% of the time or more you can hear more noise from the traffic on Albion Road ... ok a bit of an exaggeration but not far off it.

There's a whole load of revisionist misty eyed memories about the east side of the stadium that just do not tally up with my memories of it and I've been a regular at Easter road since 1975 and have missed about 5 home games in the last 35 years.

The trope that you have to be within spitting distance of the away fans to be effective that always gets trotted out is nonsense in my opinion.

The Kop at Anfield
The Yellow wall at the Westfalen Stadion, or any ultras section in Germany
The Copeland road stand at Ibrox
The Green Brigade at Celtic park
The new shed, or the Beech end back in the day, at Pittodrie
The newish and very successful singing section at Selhurst Park
The Kop end at Leeds


The list is practically endless and every one of them about as far away from the away support as you can get. It's time, long past time, to try something new at Easter Road and the last, the very last, thing that should be in the way of that is a whole load of aye been that is far more based on a few fondly remembered moments than the reality of a stadium that has never been noted for it's general atmosphere. A reality that needs changing.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's hard work watching the team just now, which inevitably impacts upon stadium atmosphere. We are a boring team that doesn't score many goals, so how are we supposed to get excited? I'm sure the club could do more via initiatives designed to improve the atmosphere, but ultimately it's the product on the pitch that will make the difference.

[Juniper Greens]

Here's an idea. Why don't the people that want FFL to be a signing section canvas opinion. Maybe get 1k signatures of people who would commit to the move, then work WITH the club to make it happen. This way, if there is a fundamental reason that the club won't do it, you will know for sure and if there's not and it proves to be a winner, you will get your way.

[JamesHFC]

The Lennon days were great. Record season ticket sales, good football, good players and winning plenty of games. Then some of our best players, particularly McGinn, McGeough & Allan all left and things began to fade on and off the pitch.

Then supporters were allowed back after a covid season where we lost two semi finals to St Johnstone & Hearts as well as a Scottish Cup final to St Johnstone. Knocked out of Europe early doors in the summer. Then results were woeful.

Best atmosphere this season was Hearts at home which obviously had a great impact on the team. Hopefully we can get back to those Lennon days sooner rather than later.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Why don’t you both take it on then and see what can be done? You both seem passionate enough about it so why not get the ball rolling

The ball has been rolling for years mate, the club are well aware of calls to have a standing section in the FF lower, the frustration is that the folk who have approached them about it have been fobbed off time and again. The best I can think of is a poll on here, but given the self admitted older demographic on this site it's not going to get many hits from the sort of folk who might bee keen to actually inhabit such a section.

I do post on Facebook Hibs sites from time to time .... perhaps a poll on there would be more productive, not to mention accurate :greengrin

[Coco Bryce]

The boys behind me are the absolute worst for this and it does my tits in. Kept going on about the Man City game in particular. Felt like I was in the hoose watching Soccer Saturday

We were getting a running commentary of Brentford beating Chelsea and other pointless EPL games.

[GreenCastle]

Why don’t you both take it on then and see what can be done? You both seem passionate enough about it so why not get the ball rolling

I’m sure many made thoughts clear on the fans survey also they want the club to try a change and go with safe standing.

Every other week there is a thread on here about the crap atmosphere.

Hibs have some of the best fans about but we are slowly losing fans due to crap football on the pitch and a library at Easter Road. I can see why folk want to do other things with their weekends and their money. It’s a massive own goal from
Hibs not pushing this next season. Would have been a lift going to ER seeing something different next season but instead it will be same old same old. Even a compromise or giving over a couple blocks of the FF would have helped as a trial.

[Since90+2]

Here's an idea. Why don't the people that want FFL to be a signing section canvas opinion. Maybe get 1k signatures of people who would commit to the move, then work WITH the club to make it happen. This way, if there is a fundamental reason that the club won't do it, you will know for sure and if there's not and it proves to be a winner, you will get your way.

Surely that's the job of the club and paid employees? We're not some two bob amateur outfit where the fans need to lead on it.

If it could benefit the club, and there's certainly an argument it potentially could, then they need to take it forward.

[Juniper Greens]

Surely that's the job of the club and paid employees? We're not some two bob amateur outfit where the fans need to lead on it.

If it could benefit the club, and there's certainly an argument it potentially could, then they need to take it forward.

Well in that case, do you think there's maybe a chance that the club have investigated this and have decided that FFL is best used as a family section?

[wookie70]

For most of that 50 years the atmosphere on the East side of the ground has been nothing to write home about, for a lot of that 50 years the atmosphere at ER came more from the north end of the old west stand .. for most of the 70s that 'atmosphere' you talk about was from a pathetic wee gathering around the TV platform at the top of the terracing as part of 7000 crowds, on a good day. After it was reduced and covered the atmosphere was great, if you were actually in the east, even before the new stand was built folk in other parts of the stadium were saying they could barely make out the noise the east thought it was generating.

So the 'it's aye been' trope isn't much use here in my opinion. Since the new east was built there has been times it has been absolutely rocking and not just in big games. But the truth is that for 90% of the time or more you can hear more noise from the traffic on Albion Road ... ok a bit of an exaggeration but not far off it.

There's a whole load of revisionist misty eyed memories about the east side of the stadium that just do not tally up with my memories of it and I've been a regular at Easter road since 1975 and have missed about 5 home games in the last 35 years.

The trope that you have to be within spitting distance of the away fans to be effective that always gets trotted out is nonsense in my opinion.

The Kop at Anfield
The Yellow wall at the Westfalen Stadion, or any ultras section in Germany
The Copeland road stand at Ibrox
The Green Brigade at Celtic park
The new shed, or the Beech end back in the day, at Pittodrie
The newish and very successful singing section at Selhurst Park
The Kop end at Leeds


The list is practically endless and every one of them about as far away from the away support as you can get. It's time, long past time, to try something new at Easter Road and the last, the very last, thing that should be in the way of that is a whole load of aye been that is far more based on a few fondly remembered moments than the reality of a stadium that has never been noted for it's general atmosphere. A reality that needs changing.

Are those areas at other grounds great atmospheres because they are behind the goals or just because that is where supporters who want to sing know the area to get a ticket. Most are clubs used to winning most weeks too. Leeds fans are brilliant and I had the pleasure of sitting in front of them taking photos at Wolves a few weeks back. They created a great atmosphere from the side of the ground. The Aberdeen idea seems to have worked OK but it will be interesting to see if it last given the troubles with flares and the behaviour etc.

I have no objection to the family area being moved. The tickets there are very cheap for kids and with that discount the club have the ability to move supporters with less issue or allow them to stay and pay the going rate.

I would object to spending any money on safe standing at least until it was an area that showed it could be of some benefit. At that point I suppose the question would be why spend the money if it was already working. The biggest issue I have is that there isn't anyone that will create a great atmosphere when the team are playing the way they are and when they have played well, like under Lennon, the atmosphere wasn't much of an issue. S43 bucked that trend but those days are long gone

As to bygone days, I always headed to the area where there was most singing in the east. Even in days similar to now under Alex Miller, with less of a crowd, there was a better atmosphere. Alcohol probably had as much to do with that as standing but it was also more affordable and I guess there were more teens and twenty off year olds going to the east and able to congregate in a group. It would be very easy for the singers if they aren't in the designated area to move over to that area and start a song.

The east is not even half full most weeks so I doubt shifting to the cheaper seats would be an issue. Perhaps the club could even do a swap seats for the Derby initiative where anyone wanting to create an atmosphere as a ST holder could get a ticket to the designated area for that game. That would give the club an indication of who would actually be willing to move.

My gut says we are an aging support and that the singing section was great at first but the organisers of that are now too old to be bothered with being an "ultra" and the generations that have come thereafter are not as big in number or as active at making things happen. If there is a massive driving force outside of the 50 or so that seem to attend at the moment to move then get something organised. I suspect we are only talking about a couple of hundred bodies who would rattle about more than the families do in the FF lower. Most, even those who like a sing(I would include myself in that) won't leave seats we like for the view or the supporters around us.

As said there is nothing wrong with trying something though and the family section is possibly the easiest to move. Could the club make this area a half and half season ticket/walk up with a discounted rate to try and make it sell out first. No ST seats allocated so supporters can crowd together even when numbers are low. I think something like that will be needed to attract numbers as otherwise it is just another pointless move for 50 odd people who will probably grow out of it in a few years and they would need to be joined by a thousand or so more to make it a worthwhile move. At least it keeps those likely to behave badly in one area and fans would know that flags etc would be there so could go to enjoy that or move to avoid it

[GreenCastle]

Well in that case, do you think there's maybe a chance that the club have investigated this and have decided that FFL is best used as a family section?

We don’t know - no one has come out and said the family will stay.

Safe standing has been talked about on podcasts but Ben and even KP was doing fan experience meetings pretty recently.

One thing is for sure - Hibs / Easter Road needs a culture reboot. They have installed the screens to make more money which are great are they are doing up the hospitality (again to make more money) but surely the FF lower has to be next project as this will hopefully help the team and bring a buzz back to our great stadium.

We will probably continue to sell out the derby - could you imagine a full behind the goal in FF lower full of Hibs fans singing and bouncing up and down all game - that alone should get people seriously thinking about this.

[GreenCastle]

Are those areas at other grounds great atmospheres because they are behind the goals or just because that is where supporters who want to sing know the area to get a ticket. Most are clubs used to winning most weeks too. Leeds fans are brilliant and I had the pleasure of sitting in front of them taking photos at Wolves a few weeks back. They created a great atmosphere from the side of the ground. The Aberdeen idea seems to have worked OK but it will be interesting to see if it last given the troubles with flares and the behaviour etc.

I have no objection to the family area being moved. The tickets there are very cheap for kids and with that discount the club have the ability to move supporters with less issue or allow them to stay and pay the going rate.

I would object to spending any money on safe standing at least until it was an area that showed it could be of some benefit. At that point I suppose the question would be why spend the money if it was already working. The biggest issue I have is that there isn't anyone that will create a great atmosphere when the team are playing the way they are and when they have played well, like under Lennon, the atmosphere wasn't much of an issue. S43 bucked that trend but those days are long gone

As to bygone days, I always headed to the area where there was most singing in the east. Even in days similar to now under Alex Miller, with less of a crowd, there was a better atmosphere. Alcohol probably had as much to do with that as standing but it was also more affordable and I guess there were more teens and twenty off year olds going to the east and able to congregate in a group. It would be very easy for the singers if they aren't in the designated area to move over to that area and start a song.

The east is not even half full most weeks so I doubt shifting to the cheaper seats would be an issue. Perhaps the club could even do a swap seats for the Derby initiative where anyone wanting to create an atmosphere as a ST holder could get a ticket to the designated area for that game. That would give the club an indication of who would actually be willing to move.

My gut says we are an aging support and that the singing section was great at first but the organisers of that are now too old to be bothered with being an "ultra" and the generations that have come thereafter are not as big in number or as active at making things happen. If there is a massive driving force outside of the 50 or so that seem to attend at the moment to move then get something organised. I suspect we are only talking about a couple of hundred bodies who would rattle about more than the families do in the FF lower. Most, even those who like a sing(I would include myself in that) won't leave seats we like for the view or the supporters around us.

As said there is nothing wrong with trying something though and the family section is possibly the easiest to move. Could the club make this area a half and half season ticket/walk up with a discounted rate to try and make it sell out first. No ST seats allocated so supporters can crowd together even when numbers are low. I think something like that will be needed to attract numbers as otherwise it is just another pointless move for 50 odd people who will probably grow out of it in a few years and they would need to be joined by a thousand or so more to make it a worthwhile move. At least it keeps those likely to behave badly in one area and fans would know that flags etc would be there so could go to enjoy that or move to avoid it

Some good points.

It would have to be unreserved standing / seating.

Regarding pyro - would have to be a strict no pyro. But flags / banners / Tito allowed as we have seen in previous seasons with amazing displays.

The part about ageing support..wonder if Hibs have the data on this. Obviously people see Hibs as a local club but many follow Man City etc - more than ever before.

But if they created an area that stopped the youth of today constantly being on phones during games as they are bored senseless and gave them something like a flag to wave and a chance to sing some songs the club would actually create an experience for a fan who isn’t old or isn’t a Hibs kid.

As has been said - chances are Hibs won’t win the league anytime soon so at least can we try and make the league games an occasion and make ER a fun stadium to attend due to the atmosphere.

[LaMotta]

I've had an update from Kieran Power (top man) this afternoon on the prospect of stadium reconfiguration and Hibs position on the matter. He has said this is fine to share on here so thank you to KP for the following:


"Club is definitely open to stadium reconfiguration and has it on the priority list to do but there is a number of stages and points to tick off - the biggest being the consultation with the 2.5k STH in the North (supporters seats and moves is a very emotive subject - got to do right by all supporters).

There is other considerations such as finding a new area, child pricing across the stadium and a need for a child safeguarding review (more youths in any new area).

It’s a big piece of work and the process is long one (there is 3/4 things on the go at the moment - improved West internals, HCF cafe, office move, digital ribbons, fanzone and a memorial/contemplation area which is stretching the team presently) Club Management have commented on it (AGM, podcasts and Q&As) that we’re keen to start a consultation with a view to 2023/24.

I’d expect to see consultations in the middle of this year to help momentum.

It really depends on the consultation output but I have mentioned to club management that it would make sense to do both (stadium configuration and potential safe standing) at the same time for maximum impact - obviously a cost impact and budget needing to be found/taken from elsewhere or funded separately).

Club is taking it very seriously, I can vouch for that. It needs to be done right and not a rushed process."

Really positive news for those who think stadium configuration is neccessary. Obviously a process to go through which will involve taking onboard views of those currently in the FF etc which is totally right.

:banana::nanasplit:

[Since90+2]

Well in that case, do you think there's maybe a chance that the club have investigated this and have decided that FFL is best used as a family section?

After reading KPs comments above then clearly that's not the case and it's currently being looked into. That's the sensible way forward rather than your suggestion of random posters on .net taking the project forward.

[LunasBoots]

Are those areas at other grounds great atmospheres because they are behind the goals or just because that is where supporters who want to sing know the area to get a ticket. Most are clubs used to winning most weeks too. Leeds fans are brilliant and I had the pleasure of sitting in front of them taking photos at Wolves a few weeks back. They created a great atmosphere from the side of the ground. The Aberdeen idea seems to have worked OK but it will be interesting to see if it last given the troubles with flares and the behaviour etc.

I have no objection to the family area being moved. The tickets there are very cheap for kids and with that discount the club have the ability to move supporters with less issue or allow them to stay and pay the going rate.

I would object to spending any money on safe standing at least until it was an area that showed it could be of some benefit. At that point I suppose the question would be why spend the money if it was already working. The biggest issue I have is that there isn't anyone that will create a great atmosphere when the team are playing the way they are and when they have played well, like under Lennon, the atmosphere wasn't much of an issue. S43 bucked that trend but those days are long gone

As to bygone days, I always headed to the area where there was most singing in the east. Even in days similar to now under Alex Miller, with less of a crowd, there was a better atmosphere. Alcohol probably had as much to do with that as standing but it was also more affordable and I guess there were more teens and twenty off year olds going to the east and able to congregate in a group. It would be very easy for the singers if they aren't in the designated area to move over to that area and start a song.

The east is not even half full most weeks so I doubt shifting to the cheaper seats would be an issue. Perhaps the club could even do a swap seats for the Derby initiative where anyone wanting to create an atmosphere as a ST holder could get a ticket to the designated area for that game. That would give the club an indication of who would actually be willing to move.

My gut says we are an aging support and that the singing section was great at first but the organisers of that are now too old to be bothered with being an "ultra" and the generations that have come thereafter are not as big in number or as active at making things happen. If there is a massive driving force outside of the 50 or so that seem to attend at the moment to move then get something organised. I suspect we are only talking about a couple of hundred bodies who would rattle about more than the families do in the FF lower. Most, even those who like a sing(I would include myself in that) won't leave seats we like for the view or the supporters around us.

As said there is nothing wrong with trying something though and the family section is possibly the easiest to move. Could the club make this area a half and half season ticket/walk up with a discounted rate to try and make it sell out first. No ST seats allocated so supporters can crowd together even when numbers are low. I think something like that will be needed to attract numbers as otherwise it is just another pointless move for 50 odd people who will probably grow out of it in a few years and they would need to be joined by a thousand or so more to make it a worthwhile move. At least it keeps those likely to behave badly in one area and fans would know that flags etc would be there so could go to enjoy that or move to avoid it

There's just not the numbers in our singing section to make any meaningful atmosphere in a half empty FF that people don't want to sit in, I personally think it will be another failed exercise.

[LaMotta]

There's just not the numbers in our singing section to make any meaningful atmosphere in a half empty FF that people don't want to sit in, I personally think it will be another failed exercise.

That's the spirit:greengrin

[Juniper Greens]

After reading KPs comments above then clearly that's not the case and it's currently being looked into. That's the sensible way forward rather than your suggestion of random posters on .net taking the project forward.

I wasn't suggesting random posters took it forward. I was suggesting that the club are receptive to good ideas. Years ago I used to help out on the Let's Work Together group and always found the club receptive.
It sounds like the club is now doing the due diligence which is great, as they will be able to work out how viable it is

[Keith_M]

It;s amazing the amount of times the same posters go on about how the club really need to turn the FF Lower into a singing section but as soon as somebody suggests they actually do something about it, the excuses/diversion tactics start

If you're so determined that the club do it, and so sure there are the numbers to justify it,. then make some bloody effort and get a petition or something like that going and actually prove it to the club.

Otherwise it;s just all talk.

[LaMotta]

It;s amazing the amount of times the same posters go on about how the club really need to turn the FF Lower into a singing section but as soon as somebody suggests they actually do something about it, the excuses/diversion tactics start

If you're so determined that the club do it, and so sure there are the numbers to justify it,. then make some bloody effort and get a petition or something like that going and actually prove it to the club.

Otherwise it;s just all talk.

There's no need - the club are already on it:aok:

[GreenCastle]

I've had an update from Kieran Power (top man) this afternoon on the prospect of stadium reconfiguration and Hibs position on the matter. He has said this is fine to share on here so thank you to KP for the following:


"Club is definitely open to stadium reconfiguration and has it on the priority list to do but there is a number of stages and points to tick off - the biggest being the consultation with the 2.5k STH in the North (supporters seats and moves is a very emotive subject - got to do right by all supporters).

There is other considerations such as finding a new area, child pricing across the stadium and a need for a child safeguarding review (more youths in any new area).

It’s a big piece of work and the process is long one (there is 3/4 things on the go at the moment - improved West internals, HCF cafe, office move, digital ribbons, fanzone and a memorial/contemplation area which is stretching the team presently) Club Management have commented on it (AGM, podcasts and Q&As) that we’re keen to start a consultation with a view to 2023/24.

I’d expect to see consultations in the middle of this year to help momentum.

It really depends on the consultation output but I have mentioned to club management that it would make sense to do both (stadium configuration and potential safe standing) at the same time for maximum impact - obviously a cost impact and budget needing to be found/taken from elsewhere or funded separately).

Club is taking it very seriously, I can vouch for that. It needs to be done right and not a rushed process."

Really positive news for those who think stadium configuration is neccessary. Obviously a process to go through which will involve taking onboard views of those currently in the FF etc which is totally right.

:banana::nanasplit:

Thanks for reaching out and posting this reply too.

Sounds like as expected it’s part of a process and will definitely be looked it.

Even getting some excitement from hearing it’s not completely out the equation.

Definitely something a fan liaison officer should be exploring and hopefully more consultations with fans and current ff members in near future.

2.5 k season tickets in north total - wonder how many in lower ?

[The_Exile]

Re the age thing - I wonder if that’s to do with the pricing?

Millennials and younger are absolutely skint and about to be made much much worse with the cost of living spiralling out of control. How many under 40s go to our games these days compared with 10-15 years ago when they would've been in their early 20s?

[LaMotta]

Thanks for reaching out and posting this reply too.

Sounds like as expected it’s part of a process and will definitely be looked it.

Even getting some excitement from hearing it’s not completely out the equation.

Definitely something a fan liaison officer should be exploring and hopefully more consultations with fans and current ff members in near future.

2.5 k season tickets in north total - wonder how many in lower ?

Current season ticket seats greyed out. Unsold seats this season in blue:

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[Itsnoteasy]

Correct. Dundee Utd should’ve been upper and lower towards the corner flag. Example being, Gerrard comes in and Celtic given 700 for Ibrox … Rangers results improve in these games

What happened yesterday?

[Tambo]

Atmosphere was alot better on Saturday than it has been but you could clearly hear on a few occasions watching on tv one single person trying to get a Hibs chant going but to no success.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I've had an update from Kieran Power (top man) this afternoon on the prospect of stadium reconfiguration and Hibs position on the matter. He has said this is fine to share on here so thank you to KP for the following:


"Club is definitely open to stadium reconfiguration and has it on the priority list to do but there is a number of stages and points to tick off - the biggest being the consultation with the 2.5k STH in the North (supporters seats and moves is a very emotive subject - got to do right by all supporters).

There is other considerations such as finding a new area, child pricing across the stadium and a need for a child safeguarding review (more youths in any new area).

It’s a big piece of work and the process is long one (there is 3/4 things on the go at the moment - improved West internals, HCF cafe, office move, digital ribbons, fanzone and a memorial/contemplation area which is stretching the team presently) Club Management have commented on it (AGM, podcasts and Q&As) that we’re keen to start a consultation with a view to 2023/24.

I’d expect to see consultations in the middle of this year to help momentum.

It really depends on the consultation output but I have mentioned to club management that it would make sense to do both (stadium configuration and potential safe standing) at the same time for maximum impact - obviously a cost impact and budget needing to be found/taken from elsewhere or funded separately).

Club is taking it very seriously, I can vouch for that. It needs to be done right and not a rushed process."

Really positive news for those who think stadium configuration is neccessary. Obviously a process to go through which will involve taking onboard views of those currently in the FF etc which is totally right.

:banana::nanasplit:

Well there you go, who knew eh? Hopefully this works out. One thing I would say about the current occupants of the FF lower is that folk are attracted there by the price, not for the most part because they want to be behind the goals. I spent bloody years there because everybody I went with had kids and it was cheaper as a result, not because the view wasn't as good or better in the East, West or FF upper.

If the cheap family tickets are moved to elsewhere in the stadium then most of the FF lower patrons will follow these tickets. On the same note, if folk know that the FF lower is purely a standing singing flag waving section then they will move there from other parts of the stadium, when I was in my teens and 20s making a noise and being a part of a great atmosphere was just as important as the view of the game, which is still pretty good in the FF lower anyway ... but IMO the section if it is safe standing will attract at least as many as it does now, except the new occupants will be far more likely to actually turn up.

[RIP]

It;s amazing the amount of times the same posters go on about how the club really need to turn the FF Lower into a singing section but as soon as somebody suggests they actually do something about it, the excuses/diversion tactics start

If you're so determined that the club do it, and so sure there are the numbers to justify it,. then make some bloody effort and get a petition or something like that going and actually prove it to the club.

Otherwise it;s just all talk.

That’s all they do Keith. Talk. Been reading the same ideas by the same posters for years. Also been hearing the same lip service from club management for years.

In every other club it’s supporters associations and fans groups who make the changes happen. We used to have that mindset ten years ago when we created Section 43, Hibs12thMan and Let’s Work Together.

It would help if our own Hibs Supporters Association took the lead on fan initiatives. But it seems to me that all they do is run a social club with bingo and Elvis Tribute Acts 😂

[wookie70]

Current season ticket seats greyed out. Unsold seats this season in blue:

25757

The present singing section looks even less occupied

25758

[LaMotta]

The present singing section looks even less occupied

25758

Exactly. It's in the wrong location.:greengrin

[LaMotta]

That’s all they do Keith. Talk. Been reading the same ideas by the same posters for years. Also been hearing the same lip service from club management for years.

In every other club it’s supporters associations and fans groups who make the changes happen. We used to have that mindset ten years ago when we created Section 43, Hibs12thMan and Let’s Work Together.

It would help if our own Hibs Supporters Association took the lead on fan initiatives. But it seems to me that all they do is run a social club with bingo and Elvis Tribute Acts ��

You are talking about ten years ago as if that should be the end goal. I've no doubt the good work you and others carried out improved the atmosphere around that time (and you should be thoroughly commended for that), but between 2010 and 2012 our average attendance dropped from just over 12k to 9900 roughly. I dont think its quite the halycon days of Easter Road atmospheric exuberance that you appear to be suggesting and it certainly wasn't helping crowds increase (of course results had an impact). We couldn't even sell out a derby back then.

This is a message board for people to talk. You can criticise people all you like for coming up with ideas and doing nothing, but the club appears to be paying attention to some of the ideas on here and other social media.outlets and as Kieran has said they are taking it seriously now. We can only wait and see how things unfold.

There is no harm in people talking on here ( even if it does seem to annoy certain posters), and not everyone on here has the time, energy or even knowhow to go about facilitating complicated changes like what is being suggested. That doesn't mean they cant post about it - at the very least it may have helped grab the clubs attention.

[Juniper Greens]

That’s all they do Keith. Talk. Been reading the same ideas by the same posters for years. Also been hearing the same lip service from club management for years.

In every other club it’s supporters associations and fans groups who make the changes happen. We used to have that mindset ten years ago when we created Section 43, Hibs12thMan and Let’s Work Together.

It would help if our own Hibs Supporters Association took the lead on fan initiatives. But it seems to me that all they do is run a social club with bingo and Elvis Tribute Acts 😂

Exactly would be good if HSA could help lead discussions with the club. maybe they could even offer any assistance through meeting rooms etc to anyone looking to kick the singing section into gear, rather than leave it to a few daft laddies who seem to want to sing sectarian songs and rip up seats (then claim it wasn't them).

[hibsforeurope]

For most of that 50 years the atmosphere on the East side of the ground has been nothing to write home about, for a lot of that 50 years the atmosphere at ER came more from the north end of the old west stand .. for most of the 70s that 'atmosphere' you talk about was from a pathetic wee gathering around the TV platform at the top of the terracing as part of 7000 crowds, on a good day. After it was reduced and covered the atmosphere was great, if you were actually in the east, even before the new stand was built folk in other parts of the stadium were saying they could barely make out the noise the east thought it was generating.

So the 'it's aye been' trope isn't much use here in my opinion. Since the new east was built there has been times it has been absolutely rocking and not just in big games. But the truth is that for 90% of the time or more you can hear more noise from the traffic on Albion Road ... ok a bit of an exaggeration but not far off it.

There's a whole load of revisionist misty eyed memories about the east side of the stadium that just do not tally up with my memories of it and I've been a regular at Easter road since 1975 and have missed about 5 home games in the last 35 years.

The trope that you have to be within spitting distance of the away fans to be effective that always gets trotted out is nonsense in my opinion.

The Kop at Anfield
The Yellow wall at the Westfalen Stadion, or any ultras section in Germany
The Copeland road stand at Ibrox
The Green Brigade at Celtic park
The new shed, or the Beech end back in the day, at Pittodrie
The newish and very successful singing section at Selhurst Park
The Kop end at Leeds


The list is practically endless and every one of them about as far away from the away support as you can get. It's time, long past time, to try something new at Easter Road and the last, the very last, thing that should be in the way of that is a whole load of aye been that is far more based on a few fondly remembered moments than the reality of a stadium that has never been noted for it's general atmosphere. A reality that needs changing.


Agree with this the 'Ultra's', 'singing section' call it what you want but it has to be behind the Goals in the FFL. Having it at that end will carry the sound passed the majority of the home fans who are more likely to join in if they can hear it. Tucked away in the corner of the East is virtually impossible to hear it ,even from the half way line in the West.
Dundee Utd didn't have much to sing about but there fans, especially early on, were really loud.

[WhileTheChief..]

Somebody made the point earlier that we appear to have an ageing support.

The idea behind the family stuff is to get kids hooked, and into the Hibs habit right?

Well, we've been trying this approach for around 20 - 30 years now so where are all the Hibs kids from the 90s and 00s?

If they were Hibs kids then, they should be fully paid up season ticket holders now.

We will never grow our support if we keep trying to appeal to families and forget about everyone else. It simply hasn't worked for us or any other club in the country going by their attendances.

Whoever thought this was the way forward couldn't have been more wrong.

Attendances were at their highest when football was considered a working class man's game. Allowing for gender equality, we should be aiming for that again!!!

[wookie70]

Exactly. It's in the wrong location.:greengrin Or there aren't many fans that bothered with being in a singing section.

As I have said I am not to bothered if the FFL is to be trialled and the family area moved. It would be way down my list of priorities and getting a busy family section and youngsters into the home games would be my number 1 priority after getting the playing side sorted. There are far too few kids at the games and with the cost of living crisis that could get even worse.

I know my kids love the games where there is a great atmosphere so there may be some cross over. It wasn't that long ago we got a fair chunk of kids in for Hibs Kids days and there was even some atmosphere coming from very young fans. We have not done enough in that area and it needs addressed for the support in future years in general and also potentially for the next generation of those that are bothered about Ultras, flags and all the organised displays etc.

I know Ron G has a vision but it looks like there are huge chunks missing on how we might get there and if the youth support(5-12) isn't encouraged and seen as a lost leader then I fear for us in the future. Those family links where a generation passes their love down to the next are vital to Hibs. Let's face it most supporters who have sat or stood at ER during my 50 years of watching are doing it out of blinded love and a sense of obligation. That needs ingrained at an early age and I would concede a good atmosphere will only help that. I don't think moving 50 singers to the FFL will do that, neither do I think they will be joined by hundreds more if the area is set up. But it isn't that expensive to try so why not build it an see if they will come. I do think it needs a small group to lead from the front from the support though as this won't happen organically if the product on the pitch remains as poor as it is. If that group present their ideas and have the energy then the club should do its best to support that.

[Glory Lurker]

Is the end at Pittodrie opposite the beach end supposed to be an inspiration for what we should be doing?

Would we be any different at the moment?

[LaMotta]

Is the end at Pittodrie opposite the beach end supposed to be an inspiration for what we should be doing?

Would we be any different at the moment?


There is only so much that can be expected if you are playing meaningless games in the bottom six. If you think that was bad though, wait til you see the Famous Five next Saturday .......

[NAE NOOKIE]

Is the end at Pittodrie opposite the beach end supposed to be an inspiration for what we should be doing?

Would we be any different at the moment?

I don't know if it's an inspiration considering this has been a topic for debate on here for years, but it was a decent attempt by Aberdeen to improve the atmosphere at Pittodrie and the fans actually seemed to buy into it.

I presume ( stand to be corrected ) that the inference to be drawn is that creating a singing section behind the goals at Pittodrie has done little to improve the clubs on field fortunes over the last couple of seasons. Nobody is pretending that such things are a substitute for a decent team and a good manager, if they were Borussia Dortmund would be the most successful club on the planet.

But the experience of football match going consists of many different components and an enjoyable atmosphere is one of them ... Look at your archetypal fans bucket list of matches to attend .... Any Borussia Dortmund game, Galatasaray v Fenerbahce, Real Madrid v Barcelona, Boca v River, in every case it's the atmosphere that's the attraction with the football secondary. Yes these are extreme examples, but a club nobody would put on that list Crystal Palace has drawn admiration, not least from other fans, through a very decent attempt by it's supporters to improve the atmosphere at Selhurst Park, far from the biggest stadium in the country.

Nobody is suggesting Hibs can be Scotland's version of the Yellow wall or the Kop .... but perhaps we could be Scotland's version of Crystal Palace.

[nickwhibs]

I don't know if it's an inspiration considering this has been a topic for debate on here for years, but it was a decent attempt by Aberdeen to improve the atmosphere at Pittodrie and the fans actually seemed to buy into it.

I presume ( stand to be corrected ) that the inference to be drawn is that creating a singing section behind the goals at Pittodrie has done little to improve the clubs on field fortunes over the last couple of seasons. Nobody is pretending that such things are a substitute for a decent team and a good manager, if they were Borussia Dortmund would be the most successful club on the planet.

But the experience of football match going consists of many different components and an enjoyable atmosphere is one of them ... Look at your archetypal fans bucket list of matches to attend .... Any Borussia Dortmund game, Galatasaray v Fenerbahce, Real Madrid v Barcelona, Boca v River, in every case it's the atmosphere that's the attraction with the football secondary. Yes these are extreme examples, but a club nobody would put on that list Crystal Palace has drawn admiration, not least from other fans, through a very decent attempt by it's supporters to improve the atmosphere at Selhurst Park, far from the biggest stadium in the country.

Nobody is suggesting Hibs can be Scotland's version of the Yellow wall or the Kop .... but perhaps we could be Scotland's version of Crystal Palace.

Good post and agree fully 👍

[LunasBoots]

If we where to do it behind the goals we'd need far greater numbers within our singing section to do it, and currently there just isn't the numbers with even less since Since 1875 moved on.

[GreenCastle]

I don't know if it's an inspiration considering this has been a topic for debate on here for years, but it was a decent attempt by Aberdeen to improve the atmosphere at Pittodrie and the fans actually seemed to buy into it.

I presume ( stand to be corrected ) that the inference to be drawn is that creating a singing section behind the goals at Pittodrie has done little to improve the clubs on field fortunes over the last couple of seasons. Nobody is pretending that such things are a substitute for a decent team and a good manager, if they were Borussia Dortmund would be the most successful club on the planet.

But the experience of football match going consists of many different components and an enjoyable atmosphere is one of them ... Look at your archetypal fans bucket list of matches to attend .... Any Borussia Dortmund game, Galatasaray v Fenerbahce, Real Madrid v Barcelona, Boca v River, in every case it's the atmosphere that's the attraction with the football secondary. Yes these are extreme examples, but a club nobody would put on that list Crystal Palace has drawn admiration, not least from other fans, through a very decent attempt by it's supporters to improve the atmosphere at Selhurst Park, far from the biggest stadium in the country.

Nobody is suggesting Hibs can be Scotland's version of the Yellow wall or the Kop .... but perhaps we could be Scotland's version of Crystal Palace.

Spot on as always.

Hibs have made a decent start on this over last few years.

Shame club didn’t sort this before next season as it would give ER a breath of fresh air after this seasons disaster.

[NAE NOOKIE]

If we where to do it behind the goals we'd need far greater numbers within our singing section to do it, and currently there just isn't the numbers with even less since Since 1875 moved on.

The Crystal Palace singing / ultras section I've referenced a few times started off with a few hundred fans taking it upon themselves to change what they saw as a stale atmosphere at Selhurst park. In the last few seasons they have grown that number into thousands without any sign of the club being any more successful on the park to encourage that growth ... in fact as I recall they have had a similar fight to our own ultras vis a vis getting a stand behind the goals.

If the FF lower was to happen I for one do not share the pessimistic view too many of our fans have of this club's ability to fill it with between one and two thousand fans for most games over time ... especially if tickets were sold simply as a standing space in the FF lower rather than having an allocated seat.

[Keith_M]

We were behind the goals last week AND we were the away support... The atmosphere was still ****.


Could it possibly be that there are other factors at play here and it's actually not as simple as a small group of posters on here seem to think?

:hmmm:

[Glory Lurker]

There is only so much that can be expected if you are playing meaningless games in the bottom six. If you think that was bad though, wait til you see the Famous Five next Saturday .......

That's my point really. The Red Shed (is that its name?) was very empty yesterday. No atmosphere. If a team plays badly there won't be a decent turnout of "ultras" for want of a better word.

I'm not really against a standing area but I think we have to be realistic, that it'll only contribute to atmosphere if we're playing well.

[Eyrie]

We were behind the goals last week AND we were the away support... The atmosphere was still ****.


Could it possibly be that there are other factors at play here and it's actually not as simple as a small group of posters on here seem to think?

:hmmm:

Correct.

There's plenty of space in the East for people to gather if they want to sing but that doesn't happen. Instead we get small groups who last for a season or two, then fade away. So the idea that hundreds of fans will suddenly rush to stand behind the goals so they can start singing is optimistic at best.

Fix the performances on the park and the atmosphere will take care of itself.

[GreenCastle]

We were behind the goals last week AND we were the away support... The atmosphere was still ****.


Could it possibly be that there are other factors at play here and it's actually not as simple as a small group of posters on here seem to think?

:hmmm:

The other factor is the team just came off losing a semi final to rivals and sacked the manager.

Having a section at ER would be different and would grow over time especially if the team improve.

I'm amazed fans want to keep the current set up. The empty FF lower next season will show something should have been done and Hibs have missed the boat once again.

[LaMotta]

We were behind the goals last week AND we were the away support... The atmosphere was still ****.


Could it possibly be that there are other factors at play here and it's actually not as simple as a small group of posters on here seem to think?

:hmmm:

Yes of course the results play a part. But the atmosphere at Easter Road was crap in the early part of the season when we were up the right end of the table so it's not just as simple as saying it's all down to results - as an even smaller group of posters seem to think :wink:.

A mix of good results and a better stadium configuration would be best case scenario for the atmosphere improving.

[LaMotta]

Correct.

There's plenty of space in the East for people to gather if they want to sing but that doesn't happen. Instead we get small groups who last for a season or two, then fade away. So the idea that hundreds of fans will suddenly rush to stand behind the goals so they can start singing is optimistic at best.

Fix the performances on the park and the atmosphere will take care of itself.

Because its the wrong place for it - far too big.

[Eyrie]

Because its the wrong place for it - far too big.

That same size should mean there are plenty of potential singers in the East just waiting to join in if someone starts a song. After all, the singing fans behind the goal will have to come from somewhere.

We all want a great atmosphere at Easter Road. We all want fans vocally supporting the team. I'm just not convinced that the numbers will be there until we start playing well, at which point the location is irrelevant.

[LaMotta]

That same size should mean there are plenty of potential singers in the East just waiting to join in if someone starts a song. After all, the singing fans behind the goal will have to come from somewhere.

We all want a great atmosphere at Easter Road. We all want fans vocally supporting the team. I'm just not convinced that the numbers will be there until we start playing well, at which point the location is irrelevant.

I think what is clear is that the status quo at Easter Road is unacceptable, and at least the board are looking at making changes. I think safe standing will be coming to the FF lower and I think it will be money well spent. We will see though.

In some ways though the problem with Easter Road is that, barring 2 seasons under Lennon, the ground is slightly too big for us on a weekly basis. I had a free ticket for the Edinburgh Rugby game at their new small (and very basic) Murrayfield stadium last night. I'm not a huge Rugby fan, however the game was a sell out - just under 8k, and the atmosphere was really good. The guy I was with said that 8k in an 8k seater stadium generated a far better atmosphere than when they've had 25k at 67k capacity Murrayfield.

[RIP]

The Crystal Palace singing / ultras section I've referenced a few times started off with a few hundred fans taking it upon themselves to change what they saw as a stale atmosphere at Selhurst park. In the last few seasons they have grown that number into thousands without any sign of the club being any more successful on the park to encourage that growth ... in fact as I recall they have had a similar fight to our own ultras vis a vis getting a stand behind the goals.

The difference between Crystal Palace and Hibs is fundamental.

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[sunshinejim]

That's my point really. The Red Shed (is that its name?) was very empty yesterday. No atmosphere. If a team plays badly there won't be a decent turnout of "ultras" for want of a better word.

I'm not really against a standing area but I think we have to be realistic, that it'll only contribute to atmosphere if we're playing well.

Agreed. Its just yet another negatory for those who seek to slate the club. Success breeds atmosphere. Win games, crowd improves, atmosphere improves, finances improve, etc etc. What we require is manager who can come in and hit the ground running. Bring it on.