Mueller penalty claim

[Carheenlea]

Watching on Hibs TV today so have had the advantage of seeing it a few times. He’s chosen to go down rather than forced down I’d say.

By letter of law it’s probably a legitimate claim as defender has left his leg in, but enough to knock him over?

Would have preferred him to stay on his feet and take a pop at goal from a dangerous position rather than try to “win” a penalty.

[Stubbsy90+2]

I thought it was a dive at the game but I’ve not seen it back.

Looked like he felt the contact, thought about it then went down.

[500miles]

Watching on Hibs TV today so have had the advantage of seeing it a few times. He’s chosen to go down rather than forced down I’d say.

By letter of law it’s probably a legitimate claim as defender has left his leg in, but enough to knock him over?

Would have preferred him to stay on his feet and take a pop at goal from a dangerous position rather than try to “win” a penalty.

When refs start giving pens for players not going down, I'll agree with you. As it is, the United player gives away a daft foul and Mueller gratefully accepts the opportunity.

Penalty all day.

[Bob1875]

Embarrassing that the 2 Hibs tv commentators were trying to justify his dive

[hibee1875]

Penalty all day. He went down under contact. You see it 100s of times a season and 90% of them are given.

[A Hi-Bee]

It was a pen, :rules: That Robertson just dont like Americans or the colour green.
:aok:

[LewysGot2]

Only saw it live at the match but I thought there was contact but he had a delayed response to it. Not necessarily a pen but also not necessarily a dive. Hope tv clears it up. At the time you shout for it

[HibbyAndy]

Looked a stonewall penalty to me .you see it every single week in England, player goes down barely touched penalty awarded

[Callum_62]

It's a stonewall penalty for Ryan Kent

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[CmoantheHibs]

It’s a penalty. A ridiculous decision by Robertson.

[Carheenlea]

Only saw it live at the match but I thought there was contact but he had a delayed response to it. Not necessarily a pen but also not necessarily a dive. Hope tv clears it up. At the time you shout for it

I don’t think the TV really clears it up much more to be honest, but some like A Hi-Bee above will point to rule book and you then argue it was an offence worthy of a penalty award.

Would VAR have given it? Maybe would have if sticklers to rule book.

[skyehibee]

Looked a dive from where I was sitting

[Tambo]

Looked like slight contact but the way he goes down puts the ref off.

I missed the Doig one and heard the Dundee United scream commentator say it was a stone waller but a few in the match say not with the new rule.

[LewysGot2]

It's a stonewall penalty for Ryan Kent

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Is the right answer

[IberianHibernian]

Definite contact and I`d expect to get a penalty for that 90% of the time . He`d have had a good shooting chance if he hadn`t fallen / been fouled .

[Callum_62]

You can tell how the utd boy reacts he thinks its a pen too

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[James70]

Hearts would have got it, their players never dive.

[overdrive]

Looked like a penalty from where I was sitting. Definite contact. I agree with the person who said that until refs start giving penalties for fouls where the player doesn’t go down, of course players are going to go down.

[GRA]

Missed it anyone got a video of it?

[tonyrougier123]

It was a penalty no doubt about it.sportscene will obviously analyse it to death and say it wasn’t.
But if it’s ibrox??? 🤔

[wookie70]

Looked a stonewaller to me from 90-100 yards away and the player's reactions made me sure it was. Would it have been a foul outside the box. I think yes. We were so shot shy today when cutting in. Missed lots of opportunities to have early strikes

[Nicho87]

Rangers player would get that

[Scottie]

Stone waller.

Regardless if he went down in stages or theatrical it was 100% a penalty. The offence had been committed inside the box. Robertson should be marked down for that decision.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Not a penalty or a dive. Ref should've let play continue

[The Harp Awakes]

Looked to me like there was contact, but maybe not enough for the player to go down. The ref bottled it and gave the safe decision.

[BILLYHIBS]

More concerned about the Hoff’s miss tbh

Shudda scored easily

[The Captain....]

Looked to be very slight contact but contact all the same. He overeaggerated the fall after it which I think persuaded the ref it was a dive.

A pen all day long if you're Celtic or Rangers but we'll rarely get the benefit of the doubt from refs.

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[LewysGot2]

More concerned about the Hoff’s miss tbh

Shudda scored easily

Shoulda woulda coulda...
Real shame he didn't. I think he could've taken a touch but had a rush of blood to the head. Didn't get over the ball.

[BILLYHIBS]

Shoulda woulda coulda...
Real shame he didn't. I think he could've taken a touch but had a rush of blood to the head. Didn't get over the ball.

Yip had to get his head and knee over the ball and hit the target

Simples

[H18S NX]

Looked a pen to me but Muellers dead mans fall act made the ref's decision easy.

[wandering_hibee]

I was in line with it in the West and it was a penalty all day long. He did though embellish it and that gave the ref a get out.

[heretoday]

I don't think it was a penalty. I'm fed up with players these days. They're all at it in the box. Frankly, I just wouldn't give a pen ever unless the defender punched the attacker full in the face.
The thing was Mueller was in a good position to have a shot.

[660]

Looked a pen to me but Muellers dead mans fall act made the ref's decision easy.

What mueller does after being blatantly fouled is irrelevant.

[660]

I don't think it was a penalty. I'm fed up with players these days. They're all at it in the box. Frankly, I just wouldn't give a pen ever unless the defender punched the attacker full in the face.
The thing was Mueller was in a good position to have a shot.

Christ this is depressing.

[Eyrie]

Wrong end of the ground for me to comment on Mueller (I'm in line with the edge of the box at the top of the slope).


Christ this is depressing.

It's depressing that players throw themselves to the ground trying to win a penalty when it would have been easier to stay on their feet.

[JimBHibees]

It's a stonewall penalty for Ryan Kent

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Yep contact and goes down. Robertson just added to the horrific performances we have had to deal with recently. One thing is for sure we are getting nothing from referees probably since the League cup final and us having a word with the refs chief a tactic which works for the old firm but not teams like us.

[Scooter]

Happened Right infront of me. 100% pen

[Tarrahib]

Yip had to get his head and knee over the ball and hit the target

Simples
He leant back.

[greenlex]

There’s contact all right. You can tell by his reaction at not getting it. Theatrical ? Probably but that’s the game these days feel the contact and throw yourself ti the ground. Arab players did it all over the park all game and got most of them.

[greenlex]

Wrong end of the ground for me to comment on Mueller (I'm in line with the edge of the box at the top of the slope).



It's depressing that players throw themselves to the ground trying to win a penalty when it would have been easier to stay on their feet.
It’s more depressing that they feel they need to exaggerate it to get them to be honest.

[CL0762]

I thought it was quite similar to the challenge on Kent by Porteous against Rangers.

I didn’t think that was a penalty either.

[LunasBoots]

The way Mueller goes down kind of made the refs decision

[CapitalGreen]

The way Mueller goes down kind of made the refs decision

Stop excusing referee incompetence. A foul is a foul regardless of what happens after a foul has occurred.

[allezsauzee]

I am almost 100pc certain that Mueller was caught. If not then I'll never trust my eyes again!

[madhatter]

Not connected to penalty incident but refs leniency with Watt allowed Dundee United to finish with 11 men. Siegrist should've been booked for ignoring the ball on the pitch even after the ref pointed to it.

Media coverage and refereeing standard in Scottish football drags it down so many levels. Forget VAR, empty and disband the clique of incompetent and corrupt refs.

Why are players allowed to be done by 'trial by sportscene' and refs just plod along unpunished for shambolic performances? Some of these performances putting player safety at risk. I recall many when we were in the Championship, leg-breakers a booking...

[BILLYHIBS]

He leant back.

Well let’s hope he disnae lean back against the Hearts and buries it :greengrin

[660]

Wrong end of the ground for me to comment on Mueller (I'm in line with the edge of the box at the top of the slope).



It's depressing that players throw themselves to the ground trying to win a penalty when it would have been easier to stay on their feet.

It’s depressing you’re so perplexed by football that you don’t understand what happens when a player is fouled.

[JimBHibees]

There’s contact all right. You can tell by his reaction at not getting it. Theatrical ? Probably but that’s the game these days feel the contact and throw yourself ti the ground. Arab players did it all over the park all game and got most of them.

Yep some of the fouls they got were ridiculous may as well have given Twatt the whistle. The bizarre behaviour he let Siegrist away with in the second half was ridiculous when two balls were in the pitch.

[JimBHibees]

Not connected to penalty incident but refs leniency with Watt allowed Dundee United to finish with 11 men. Siegrist should've been booked for ignoring the ball on the pitch even after the ref pointed to it.

Media coverage and refereeing standard in Scottish football drags it down so many levels. Forget VAR, empty and disband the clique of incompetent and corrupt refs.

Why are players allowed to be done by 'trial by sportscene' and refs just plod along unpunished for shambolic performances? Some of these performances putting player safety at risk. I recall many when we were in the Championship, leg-breakers a booking...

Good post agree with every word.

[Mcbizz1998]

Not connected to penalty incident but refs leniency with Watt allowed Dundee United to finish with 11 men. Siegrist should've been booked for ignoring the ball on the pitch even after the ref pointed to it.

Media coverage and refereeing standard in Scottish football drags it down so many levels. Forget VAR, empty and disband the clique of incompetent and corrupt refs.

Why are players allowed to be done by 'trial by sportscene' and refs just plod along unpunished for shambolic performances? Some of these performances putting player safety at risk. I recall many when we were in the Championship, leg-breakers a booking...

Absolutely.

The protection these utter incompetent’s get is infuriating. Meanwhile, players get hung out to dry for non-events.

For me, referees are like politicians - anyone who wants to be one should be banned from doing so.

[A Hi-Bee]

Not connected to penalty incident but refs leniency with Watt allowed Dundee United to finish with 11 men. Siegrist should've been booked for ignoring the ball on the pitch even after the ref pointed to it.

Media coverage and refereeing standard in Scottish football drags it down so many levels. Forget VAR, empty and disband the clique of incompetent and corrupt refs.

Why are players allowed to be done by 'trial by sportscene' and refs just plod along unpunished for shambolic performances? Some of these performances putting player safety at risk. I recall many when we were in the Championship, leg-breakers a booking...

Robertson is a well paid cheat, employed by the GFA to ensure that the status quo does not get rocked to much.
:cb

[brianmc]

Not connected to penalty incident but refs leniency with Watt allowed Dundee United to finish with 11 men. Siegrist should've been booked for ignoring the ball on the pitch even after the ref pointed to it.

Media coverage and refereeing standard in Scottish football drags it down so many levels. Forget VAR, empty and disband the clique of incompetent and corrupt refs.

Why are players allowed to be done by 'trial by sportscene' and refs just plod along unpunished for shambolic performances? Some of these performances putting player safety at risk. I recall many when we were in the Championship, leg-breakers a booking...

Unreal eh. One of the the occasions Watt took a dive the ref clearly indicated it was a dive, gave the decision to us then didn't yellow card Watt.

[Glory Lurker]

Thought it was a penalty at the game and TV shows it was.

[Callum_62]

Top class in depth analysis on sportscene there

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[Sir David Gray]

Sportscene showed the penalty decision but no analysis of it.

I think Mueller probably did play for it but I do think it was a penalty.

[Glory Lurker]

When I saw how tame the predictable hearts penalty was, I thought Sportscene would compare the two.

[B.H.F.C]

Sportscene showed the penalty decision but no analysis of it.

I think Mueller probably did play for it but I do think it was a penalty.

Agree, it’s not up to him to run round the boys leg. Should have been a penalty.

Thought Mueller struggled for most of the game but should have had a penalty and he showed the one bit of quality in the second half to pick Melkersen out at the end.

[thebakerboy]

Think it possibly was a pen but Chris's fall was exagerated and gave ref reason not to give it. If he had just gone straight down pen given

[WeeRussell]

If he hadn’t jumped in the air like a fanny he MIGHT have got a penalty. Incidentally I thought Mueller looked brighter in spells today.

His swan dive was worse than the ones Boyle used to do though.

[O'Rourke3]

Very clear contact. Ref saw it but booked the 'dive'. If these decisions even themselves out over a season then we are in for a beazer of a post split. The referee was particularly bad today in everything but bookings. There were a few he let go, Watt applauding him for giving us a free kick in the first half for instance.
Oh, and Nicky Clarke is a cant just like his dad...

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[scotia44]

The way Mueller goes down kind of made the refs decision

A foul is a foul regardless triple salco or Swan dive off the top board at the commie

[scotia44]

What mueller does after being blatantly fouled is irrelevant.

Absolutely correct cross himself whilst lighting a cigar a foul is a foul.
Let's hope they even themselves out 😉😉 soon

[Wheat Hound]

Don Robertson has previous with Hibs. Another shady incompetent.

[Glory Lurker]

If a player literally explodes after being fairly tackled, that doesn't make it a foul. If he's fouled though, physiologically overreacting to the contact by exploding doesn't stop it having been a foul.

What Mueller did after being fouled is his own business. It was a penalty all day long and never, ever a bookable offence. Terrible decision by the ref.

[norhfc]

Watched it on Hibs tv and jumped shouting penalty. After wat hung all the replays I’m still convinced it was a pen. Contact at the knee, stonewalled for me.

[Boyle89]

I thought it was quite similar to the challenge on Kent by Porteous against Rangers.

I didn’t think that was a penalty either.
Yes almost exactly the same. However why was one given and the other not? Var is an absolute must! Even if only to highlight the ridiculous level of inconsistency from these "professional" refs.
Also its a penalty. You leave you leg out and someone goes over or through it and goes down then its a pen.

[matty_f]

i thought there was clear contact at the time. Was probably more annoyed at the booking for Mueller diving while he let Watt away with a couple.

[darwenhibby]

Exact same thoughts as Kent with Porteous
Beaton desperate to give that decision
Should have been a penalty
Hibs don’t get those decisions ie League Cup Final

[660]

Absolutely correct cross himself whilst lighting a cigar a foul is a foul.
Let's hope they even themselves out 😉😉 soon

He could get snapped and cartwheel into a YLT symbol. Not sure the relevance to the original foul no matter how much the hibs hating hibs.net crew want to overanalyse.

[Eyrie]

Having seen the Mueller incident on Sportscene, the Dundee United player did stick his leg out, there was contact and that is normally given as a penalty regardless of how theatrical the dive is.


It’s depressing you’re so perplexed by football that you don’t understand what happens when a player is fouled.

It's depressing that you're so perplexed by football that you think simulation is an enjoyable part of the game.

It should be a free kick if a player is fouled without the player having to throw himself to the ground.

[Gordy M]

Having seen the Mueller incident on Sportscene, the Dundee United player did stick his leg out, there was contact and that is normally given as a penalty regardless of how theatrical the dive is.



It's depressing that you're so perplexed by football that you think simulation is an enjoyable part of the game.

It should be a free kick if a player is fouled without the player having to throw himself to the ground.

Whilst i agree, that situation happened in the Scotland Vs Poland game, McGinn clearly caught by the keeper, stays on his feet.....nothing given. Polish guy makes a theatrical dive and pen given.

[kaimendhibs]

Did you see the pen Hearts got?
I know for a fact Gavin Duncan is a yam.
Scottish football is without a doubt, corrupt

[Wheat Hound]

Did you see the pen Hearts got?
I know for a fact Gavin Duncan is a yam.
Scottish football is without a doubt, corrupt

Yep just saw that. Total dive but our player gets booked and rhey get a pen. Gavin Duncan is a throbber who reffed our game at Dingwall earlier this season.

[LaMotta]

Did you see the pen Hearts got?
I know for a fact Gavin Duncan is a yam.
Scottish football is without a doubt, corrupt

Just seen it on Sportscene. Jesus ****in christ, blatant dive from from Barrie Mckay. How they get a pen for that and Mueller gets booked for diving is insane.

[LaMotta]

i thought there was clear contact at the time. Was probably more annoyed at the booking for Mueller diving while he let Watt away with a couple.

Exactly. Watt got away with murder today.

[HibeeMackenzie]

Comparing the hearts pen to the mueller ‘dive’ is bordering on criminal. The Paul McGowan lookalike of a ref bottled it when it mattered most and that could easily lose hibs circa 500k if we miss out on top 6

[shamo9]

It was a penalty IMO.

Anyway, it got me thinking, who is our designated penalty taker now that Boyle is gone? I think I'd try Melkerson, Porteous or Newell.

You usually favour the striker but Porteous would probably relish the pressure. He scored the final penalty in the shoot out last year against Motherwell. Also, Newell scored in the shoot out against Kilmarnock two seasons ago.

:pray: Hopefully the question gets answered in the next two games.

[DaveF]

If he hadn’t jumped in the air like a fanny he MIGHT have got a penalty. Incidentally I thought Mueller looked brighter in spells today.

His swan dive was worse than the ones Boyle used to do though.

Agree. At the time I didnt think it was a penalty - primarily because of the pathetic fall.

[DaveF]

Don Robertson has previous with Hibs. Another shady incompetent.

Pretty sure he was the ref who gave us a penalty in Ross's final game away at Livingston when Boyle clearly dived.

Perhaps yesterday was his 'payback'.

[JohnM1875]

They don't even show the claim in the highlights on Hibs YouTube 😂

[Pretty Boy]

It was a penalty.

Players have to go down because despite there often being contact refs won't give penalties when they stay on their feet. We didn't get it yesterday, another time we will.

When refs start doing their jobs properly, players will stop going down when the contact doesn't justify it.

[Brightside]

Embarrassing that the 2 Hibs tv commentators were trying to justify his dive

It was a penalty.

[Smartie]

I thought at the time it looked like a dive and I haven’t seen it back.

[HibbyAndy]

I thought at the time it looked like a dive and I haven’t seen it back.



From the FF upper it's a stone wall penalty , If we had VAR it's given , Doesn't matter if he goes down theatricality their is a 100 % contact but of course we don't have VAR so can only go by what the referee sees


It's a penalty all day long

[Fergus52]

100% a penalty.

The second angle they showed on hibs TV you can see there's a lot of contact on their knees, clumsy tackle from the utd player which impedes meuller getting to the ball after he's beaten him. Pen all day long, whether meuller makes the most of it or not.

It's much more of a penalty then porteous or mcginn on Kent this season, which most folk on here were saying were stonewallers

[CentreLine]

We can appeal a yellow for simulation. I’d like to see us do that. Then wait for it to be turned red by the corrupt GFA

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

We are getting absolutely shafted with decisions this season. It stinks

[BoomtownHibees]

We are getting absolutely shafted with decisions this season. It stinks

Aye, even more so since we spoke out about it

[B.H.F.C]

Just seen it on Sportscene. Jesus ****in christ, blatant dive from from Barrie Mckay. How they get a pen for that and Mueller gets booked for diving is insane.

He should be getting pulled up by the compliance officer for that. He won’t, but he should be. Wasn’t even close to being contact and if you gain an advantage through a dive (award of a penalty) you can be offered a ban.

[JimBHibees]

We are getting absolutely shafted with decisions this season. It stinks

Absolutely done over big time. Massive calls in recent games two reds for dundee one for saints handball v Aberdeen added game for porto pen yesterday. Absolutely relentless.As Shaun said yesterday it seems like after every game I am talking about decisions it will be good when they even themselves out. Even a win against both Dundee and Saints top 6 is comfortable and loads of pressure off a young manager.

[A Hi-Bee]

Robertson and all the others at the GFA cheat to ensure that Scottish football stays the same, so much money involved it must stay the same, corrupt to the core.

[JimBHibees]

Yep just saw that. Total dive but our player gets booked and rhey get a pen. Gavin Duncan is a throbber who reffed our game at Dingwall earlier this season.

Took great delight in sending two players off especially Boyle. Was also the 4th official who swore at Hecky in Celtic game we were done in.

[Eyrie]

He should be getting pulled up by the compliance officer for that. He won’t, but he should be. Wasn’t even close to being contact and if you gain an advantage through a dive (award of a penalty) you can be offered a ban.

If he does, then you can expect Hearts to appeal simply to keep him available for the league derby.

That is the definition of a frivolous appeal, and not Porteous against Aberdeen.

[Greenio]

100% a penalty

Mental to think it was anything else.

Chris goes past him, boy stuck his leg out, hits Chris' thigh - no contact with the ball, just the man - pen

[Brightside]

Clear as day penalty.

[Onion]

Saw it for the first time yesterday, its a foul and a penalty on first, second and third viewing. Ref was shocking all game and added a cherry on top with his yellow for Mueller.

[JimBHibees]

Saw it for the first time yesterday, its a foul and a penalty on first, second and third viewing. Ref was shocking all game and added a cherry on top with his yellow for Mueller.

Yep ridiculous decision

[flash]

Watching on Hibs TV today so have had the advantage of seeing it a few times. He’s chosen to go down rather than forced down I’d say.

By letter of law it’s probably a legitimate claim as defender has left his leg in, but enough to knock him over?

Would have preferred him to stay on his feet and take a pop at goal from a dangerous position rather than try to “win” a penalty.
I take it you have revised your opinion now after seeing the Sportscene footage.
Stonewall penalty.

[cameronw-hfc]

Pretty comical our reffing standards. I worked with a former top Scottish ref's daughter and can say for a fact they're rangers fans, she's open about it and said her dads a season ticket holder now he's retired.(not Dallas)

Shocking that it's allowed in our sport.

[Allant1981]

Pretty comical our reffing standards. I worked with a former top Scottish ref's daughter and can say for a fact they're rangers fans, she's open about it and said her dads a season ticket holder now he's retired.(not Dallas)

Shocking that it's allowed in our sport.

Whats shocking? That a ref supports a football team, pretty sure that will always happen, how its managed is another matter though

[bigwheel]

Pretty comical our reffing standards. I worked with a former top Scottish ref's daughter and can say for a fact they're rangers fans, she's open about it and said her dads a season ticket holder now he's retired.(not Dallas)

Shocking that it's allowed in our sport.

Are you being serious ? All refs will be football fans , that’s why they are drawn to the role…they will all have teams. Dallas is a Motherwell fan ….