Top Six

[cabbageandribs1875]

two games remaining


4th, 39 Points-Dundee Utd
A- Hibs
H- Dundee


5th, 37 Points- Hibs
H- Dundee Utd
A- Heartz

6th, 37 Points- Livingston
A- St Johnstone
H- Motherwell

7th, 36 Points - Ross Co
H-Heartz
A-Aberdeen

8th, 36 Points- Motherwell
H- St Mirren
A- Livingston

9th, 36 Points- St Mirren
A- Motherwell
H- Rangers

10th, 35 Points- Aberdeen
A- Dundee
H- Ross Co


i feel we've now blown 4th spot after today, Dundee utd in driving seat for 4th even if we do manage to beat them next week

i think Aberdeen will win both games

[Hamish]

1/2 for top 6
6/4 for bottom 6
Bet 365

[The dalmeny]

two games remaining


4th, 39 Points-Dundee Utd
A- Hibs
H- Dundee


5th, 37 Points- Hibs
H- Dundee Utd
A- Heartz

6th, 37 Points- Livingston
A- St Johnstone
H- Motherwell

7th, 36 Points - Ross Co
H-Heartz
A-Aberdeen

8th, 36 Points- Motherwell
H- St Mirren
A- Livingston

9th, 36 Points- St Mirren
A- Motherwell
H- Rangers

10th, 35 Points- Aberdeen
A- Dundee
H- Ross Co


i feel we've now blown 4th spot after today, Dundee utd in driving seat for 4th even if we do manage to beat them next week

i think Aberdeen will win both games

Utd maybe for top 6 but 4th place all to play for

[cabbageandribs1875]

Utd maybe for top 6 but 4th place all to play for

we would need to get 5 points from Dundee u and heartz as they will beat Dundee, that's a helluva big ask after failing to beat both Dundee and St Johnstone

[hibee-boys]

we would need to get 5 points from Dundee u and heartz as they will beat Dundee, that's a helluva big ask after failing to beat both Dundee and St Johnstone

You did know there’s another 5 games to play after the split🤔

[GreenCastle]

We have to beat Utd next game - we need to get 40 points minimum. We can’t be going into the derby needing to win as I can’t see us doing that with the extra pressure.

I except Aberdeen, Motherwell or Livi to win 1 game minimum.

If Utd beat us then that leaves 5th and 6th positions left for others.

I said on another thread not making top 6 is serious failure let alone making top 4.

If this happens and lose in semi final close game or not - Maloney is finished.

[cabbageandribs1875]

You did know there’s another 5 games to play after the split��


you're right :greengrin it's getting there the important part i was more looking at to be honest, then getting a couple of big crowds for our home games, hopefully 3 at home with two against the old firm

the only game i would feel slightly confident for 3 points post-split is Dundee utd

[berwickhibee]

Not sure I want top 6 just now, we are a mess.

Financially better but wouldn't be expecting many points.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Not sure I want top 6 just now, we are a mess.

Financially better but wouldn't be expecting many points.

So you would rather we finished in a worse position?

[Billy Whizz]

we would need to get 5 points from Dundee u and heartz as they will beat Dundee, that's a helluva big ask after failing to beat both Dundee and St Johnstone

How to you amass 5 points from 2 games😀

[GreenCastle]

Not sure I want top 6 just now, we are a mess.

Financially better but wouldn't be expecting many points.

We need the £ for transfers for next season.

Bottom 6 we would lose ££ playing teams that bring no away support.

[Billy Whizz]

We need the £ for transfers for next season.

Bottom 6 we would lose ££ playing teams that bring no away support.

And 2 home gates v Hearts and Rangers

[cabbageandribs1875]

How to you amass 5 points from 2 games😀

i know i know :faf: i'm getting mixed up with Dundee utd being on 42-45 points after the next two games and us being stuck on 37, 5 points behind

[LunasBoots]

Beat D'Utd and that should be enough for top 6 i feel

[cabbageandribs1875]

And 2 home gates v Hearts and Rangers


have we already had two home v celtic ? i can't remember

[Billy Whizz]

have we already had two home v celtic ? i can't remember

We have, a wet night in October and a few Sundays ago

[The dalmeny]

we would need to get 5 points from Dundee u and heartz as they will beat Dundee, that's a helluva big ask after failing to beat both Dundee and St Johnstone

Didn’t realise the St Mirren keeper was sent off

[Sean1875]

Not sure I want top 6 just now, we are a mess.

Financially better but wouldn't be expecting many points.

I’d rather the extra money which we can use to fix our ‘mess’ over the summer than some extra meaningless points from 5 dead rubber games.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

We have, a wet night in October and a few Sundays ago


just looked it up

1-3 and a 0-0 :agree:

i make Dundee utd at home= 17th home game, so i presume it will be just two home games and three away post-split


so as you've already said, Hearts and Rangers at home

[cabbageandribs1875]

Didn’t realise the St Mirren keeper was sent off


just looked, 89th minute

game finished 90+ 8

[hibbyfraelibby]

Looking at that fixture schedule beat Dundee United and Top 6 guaranteed as others will drop points in the various H2H matches...the top4 finish is on

[The Modfather]

So you would rather we finished in a worse position?

I’m just waiting for the season to br over and have been since early on in the season. I get the financial argument that top 6 is important. However if bottom 6 meant we could give game time to the likes of Macintyre and O’Connor, who I believe came on today, then it might keep me interested between now and the end of the season. In terms of the league anyway.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Not sure I want top 6 just now, we are a mess.

Financially better but wouldn't be expecting many points.

Finanally to the club, we could lose maybe up to £500k by not finishing top 6. Is it not about 60k per league position? Thats 360k between 4th and 10th. Finish top 6, 4th is possible. Finish bottom 6, 10th is possible. Then you have the league games after split with Hearts and Rangers, guaranteed sell outs.

[DIXIHIBS]

Looking at the fixtures my guess at final points united 42 aberdeen 41 hibs/motherwell 40 livi 39 county/saints 36...then again i could be totally talking p!sh.

[Jones28]

Finanally to the club, we could lose maybe up to £500k by not finishing top 6. Is it not about 60k per league position? Thats 360k between 4th and 10th. Finish top 6, 4th is possible. Finish bottom 6, 10th is possible. Then you have the league games after split with Hearts and Rangers, guaranteed sell outs.

I don’t think we’ve sold out a home game against rangers in about 10 years.

Correction, 1 - the 5-5.

[Ozyhibby]

The club need to qualify for Europe. Our whole business plan is built round it. Anything less is a huge failure. Maloney needs to get his finger out.


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[Alfred E Newman]

If we fail to make the top six in this crap there is no hope.

[loanheadhibby]

If we fail to make the top six in this crap there is no hope.

The fact we are even talking about making the top 6 in Scotland tells us everything we need to know about the season….2 word - not good enough

[Billy Whizz]

The fact we are even talking about making the top 6 in Scotland tells us everything we need to know about the season….2 word - not good enough

That’s 3 words

[number9dream]

9 wins from 31 is truly dreadful.
It's all on beating United at ER next time for top 6. Hopefully, Hanlon can get a few bounce games in before then and JDH should be fit again.

[1875Sean]

[QUOTE=cabbageandribs1875;6896622]two games remaining


4th, 39 Points-Dundee Utd
A- Hibs
H- Dundee


5th, 37 Points- Hibs
H- Dundee Utd
A- Heartz

6th, 37 Points- Livingston
A- St Johnstone
H- Motherwell

7th, 36 Points - Ross Co
H-Heartz
A-Aberdeen

8th, 36 Points- Motherwell
H- St Mirren
A- Livingston

9th, 36 Points- St Mirren
A- Motherwell
H- Rangers

10th, 35 Points- Aberdeen
A- Dundee
H- Ross Co


i feel we've now blown 4th spot after today, Dundee utd in driving seat for 4th even if we do manage to beat them next week

i think Aberdeen will win both games[/QUOTE

We are not playing well at all but to say we have blown 4th spot when we are 2 points off and to play them next is a bit ott

[cabbageandribs1875]

home games from January

2-3 v Livingston
0-0 v Celtic
2-0 v Ross co
0-1 v St Mirren
0-0 v Heartz
0-0 v St Johnstone

[hibee1875]

Today was one bad performance too far for me. Each game I’ve seen glimpses of positivity which I’ve clung onto in the hope that we’re about to turn the corner but I just can’t see it. Not this season anyways.

Clean slate from next season. This season Europe will be a bonus, not getting pulled into a relegation playoff dogfight is priority.

Can we get any points from the next two games? Doubt it. 1pt max

[SHODAN]

If we beat United we'll be fine. If we draw or lose then we can forget it. We'll get nothing at Tynecastle.

[matty_f]

I think there’sa very real chance that we’ll end up outside of the top 6. Our luck this season, has almost been as bad as we have.

[bigwheel]

I think there’sa very team chance that we’ll end up outside of the top 6. Our luck this season, has almost been as bad as we have.

We’ve been too poor . If after 33 games we are not on top six, then we don’t deserve to be …appalling season so far

[Ray Donovan]

This league campaign has been a disaster so far. I can't remember the last time we actually played well in the league.


If we don't beat Dundee United then we can forget top 6.

[Stuart93]

I think there’sa very team chance that we’ll end up outside of the top 6. Our luck this season, has almost been as bad as we have.

Very speculative putting it partially down to luck. We’ve just been nowhere near good enough and not recruited anywhere near good enough.

[matty_f]

Very speculative putting it partially down to luck. We’ve just been nowhere near good enough and not recruited anywhere near good enough.

Injuries, refereeing decisions etc are outside of our control and we’ve been unlucky with them.

The luck hasn’t been as bad as we have, as I said.

[danhibees1875]

4th or 10th, neither would surprise me at this point!

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Very speculative putting it partially down to luck. We’ve just been nowhere near good enough and not recruited anywhere near good enough.

Injuries have been horrendous this season, don't think anybody can deny that. Even with half the injuries I'm convinced we'd have been challenging Hertz for 3rd and well clear of the rest of the teams.

[hibee1875]

Injuries, refereeing decisions etc are outside of our control and we’ve been unlucky with them.

The luck hasn’t been as bad as we have, as I said.

Can’t say we’ve been done by refereeing decisions this season. Not any more than any other club anyways. Or any more than any other season.

Genuinely can’t think of any that stand out.

[matty_f]

Can’t say we’ve been done by refereeing decisions this season. Not any more than any other club anyways. Or any more than any other season.

Genuinely can’t think of any that stand out.

ok then. :aok:

[hibee1875]

ok then. :aok:

Can you give a list of examples? :aok:

[Not In The Know]

Not sure I want top 6 just now, we are a mess.

Financially better but wouldn't be expecting many points.

if we don’t make top 6 it’s a disaster.

Serious questions will need answered. Ross was boring but we would have made top 6 under him especially with the new players brought in. I’m raging after today’s performance.

[matty_f]

Can you give a list of examples? :aok:

yes.

[Is It On....]

[QUOTE=cabbageandribs1875;6896622]two games remaining


4th, 39 Points-Dundee Utd
A- Hibs
H- Dundee


5th, 37 Points- Hibs
H- Dundee Utd
A- Heartz

6th, 37 Points- Livingston
A- St Johnstone
H- Motherwell

7th, 36 Points - Ross Co
H-Heartz
A-Aberdeen

8th, 36 Points- Motherwell
H- St Mirren
A- Livingston

9th, 36 Points- St Mirren
A- Motherwell
H- Rangers

10th, 35 Points- Aberdeen
A- Dundee
H- Ross Co


i feel we've now blown 4th spot after today, Dundee utd in driving seat for 4th even if we do manage to beat them next week

i think Aberdeen will win both games[/QUOTE

We are not playing well at all but to say we have blown 4th spot when we are 2 points off and to play them next is a bit ott

So, we are 2 points above 10th...and 10 points above 11th. We simply must get points against Dundee United and Hearts or we are really going to be under intense pressure in the bottom 6

[hibee1875]

yes.

Do you care to share them or are you trying to be a keyboard gangster?

[matty_f]

Do you care to share them or are you trying to be a keyboard gangster?

Gangsta.

[Jones28]

That’s 3 words

😂😂😂😂

[hibee1875]

Gangsta.

Bit weird. Assumed you were a fully grown adult but I’m now guessing you must be 12?

No idea why you’re picking fights? We have a difference of opinion, I’ve asked for more info on yours and you’ve gone down the route of acting like a child :aok:

[Hibernia&Alba]

9 wins from 31 is truly dreadful.
It's all on beating United at ER next time for top 6. Hopefully, Hanlon can get a few bounce games in before then and JDH should be fit again.

In this league it's unacceptable. We should be battling Hearts for third; as things stand we are two points above tenth. It's been a miserable league campaign.

[JJP]

The fact that we even have a chance at top six is staggering. We can barely score a goal.

[Scotty Leither]

The fact that we even have a chance at top six is staggering. We can barely score a goal.

This is what’s disappointed me most about Maloney.

Ross’s approach to games bored me rigid, and Maloney is just the same, absolutely dreadful to watch with zero urgency, identical safety first, no-risk football, with limited players who are simply incapable of playing this possession based stuff he seems determined to persist with.

Just dull, and another Saturday night spoiled.

[I'm Spartacus]

two games remaining


4th, 45 Points-Dundee Utd
A- Hibs W
H- Dundee W

6th, 39 Points- Livingston
A- St Johnstone D
H- Motherwell D

9th, 39 Points- St Mirren
A- Motherwell W
H- Rangers L

10th, 39 Points- Aberdeen
A- Dundee W
H- Ross Co D

7th, 38 Points - Ross Co
H-Heartz L
A-Aberdeen D

8th, 38 Points- Motherwell
H- St Mirren D
A- Livingston D

5th, 37 Points- Hibs
H- Dundee Utd L
A- Heartz L



i feel we've now blown 4th spot after today, Dundee utd in driving seat for 4th even if we do manage to beat them next week

i think Aberdeen will win both games

Hard to see how it won't be the above :( Bearing in mind we will lose Porto for part of it.

[AngloHibs]

I just don't understand the negativity on here. We haven't been great, granted, but despite that we're still above most teams. Dundee United who are above us have to play us before the split, and then they have a derby which is never easy. I think we can easily go into the split in 4th place.

We're due a result against Hearts. If we beat them at Hampden we might, just might, win the Cup. We would then shatter Hearts' European dreams and have the adventure ourselves instead. All of a sudden this apparently disappointing season would become a legendary one.

[matty_f]

I just don't understand the negativity on here. We haven't been great, granted, but despite that we're still above most teams. Dundee United who are above us have to play us before the split, and then they have a derby which is never easy. I think we can easily go into the split in 4th place.

We're due a result against Hearts. If we beat them at Hampden we might, just might, win the Cup. We would then shatter Hearts' European dreams and have the adventure ourselves instead. All of a sudden this apparently disappointing season would become a legendary one.
I can understand the negativity, we have had too many matches where it’s been turgid. Games with almost no goal threat at all, and a horrendous disciplinary record. We’re clinging on to top six by the skin of our teeth and are determined to make it as hard as we possibly can.

it’s been a horrendous season.

[loanheadhibby]

😂😂😂😂

Woosh 😂

[CLASS OF 72 -73]

I don’t think we’ve sold out a home game against rangers in about 10 years.

Correction, 1 - the 5-5.

With all the empty seats ? Don't think so ST holders or not.

[Johnny_Leith]

I just don't understand the negativity on here. We haven't been great, granted, but despite that we're still above most teams. Dundee United who are above us have to play us before the split, and then they have a derby which is never easy. I think we can easily go into the split in 4th place.

We're due a result against Hearts. If we beat them at Hampden we might, just might, win the Cup. We would then shatter Hearts' European dreams and have the adventure ourselves instead. All of a sudden this apparently disappointing season would become a legendary one.

We aren’t due anything against hearts. We have to go out and better than tactical, technically and work harder than them.

I don’t see any of that from the current team at the moment against anyone, never mind hearts, who are having a good season themselves.

Yes you’re right, a few good results and it could be a cup winning season and a decent league finish. But I totally understand the negativity as imo it’s warranted.

[Itsnoteasy]

we would need to get 5 points from Dundee u and heartz as they will beat Dundee, that's a helluva big ask after failing to beat both Dundee and St Johnstone

How can we manage to get 5 points from 2 games 🤔

[cabbageandribs1875]

How can we manage to get 5 points from 2 games ��


been done already ;)

[JimBHibees]

Can’t say we’ve been done by refereeing decisions this season. Not any more than any other club anyways. Or any more than any other season.

Genuinely can’t think of any that stand out.

Joking surely. Last three league games Dundee two red card offences for them. St Johnstone the biggest red card you will ever see. Today absolutely never a penalty in a million years when ahead. Refs see an opportunity to do us over imo. Refs have apparently apologised for two of them. That is the last three games.

[Percy Vere]

I can see us slipping out of the top six
Poor league form.

[Hermit Crab]

Our form is such that we could end up in the play off position. We are utter tom kite.

[JohnM1875]

Still think we'll finish top six as we'll beat Dundee United at home. Actually think we'll finish fourth but all I really care about now is the cup.

[Paul1642]

Our form is such that we could end up in the play off position. We are utter tom kite.

I used to disagree, but just like the Butcher season l the assumption that “we will pick up points somewhere” is absolutely not guaranteed. This is also by far the worst I have seen hibs since we last went down.

[Greenio]

And 2 home gates v Hearts and Rangers

Wonder what that means financially in the grand scheme of things. Are we that dependent on ticket money from 2 games that it has a significant impact on what we can do in the summer in terms of bringing in the new players we want/renewing contracts etc? Im not sure a top six or bottom six finish this season equates to our plans. (I'm no finance man btw!)

[Paul1642]

Wonder what that means financially in the grand scheme of things. Are we that dependent on ticket money from 2 games that it has a significant impact on what we can do in the summer in terms of bringing in the new players we want/renewing contracts etc? Im not sure a top six or bottom six finish this season equates to our plans. (I'm no finance man btw!)

It hopefully wouldn’t make a noticeable difference as we should have plenty in reserve but I imagine there is a few hundred thousand in it which is a a decent player.

[Sergio sledge]

Our form is such that we could end up in the play off position. We are utter tom kite.

A few weeks ago I might have agreed with you, but there's not a chance of that now. Our form is terrible, 6 points from the last 6 games, but St Johnstone aren't much better (8 from 6) and are 10 points behind. We might well be bottom y, but we have now than enough to pick up the required 3 or 4 Points to keep us it of 11th place.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I think a win against DU would be enough.

[loanheadhibby]

Due to the tightness of the league, this could be a year were team in play off place has more points than team in 6th.

Whoever finishes 6th is going to be whipping boys for other teams in top 6.

[Carheenlea]

The stats don’t read well for Shaun Maloney (in the important ones at least - ie winning games).

It’s just as well we amassed a decent number of points early in season or we would be in real trouble, so we’ve got to be grateful to the previous manager for that at least.

If we were to lose the next two to Dundee Utd and Hearts I wouldn’t put it past Gordon and Kensell to be going into another Hampden visit managerless for the second time in a season having yielded the axe the week before. David Gray should maybe make sure his suit is dry cleaned just in case.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Due to the tightness of the league, this could be a year were team in play off place has more points than team in 7th.

Whoever finishes 6th is going to be whipping boys for other teams in top 6.

I presume you mean 6th rather than 7th? :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

The stats don’t read well for Shaun Maloney (in the important ones at least - ie winning games).

It’s just as well we amassed a decent number of points early in season or we would be in real trouble, so we’ve got to be grateful to the previous manager for that at least.

If we were to lose the next two to Dundee Utd and Hearts I wouldn’t put it past Gordon and Kensell to be going into another Hampden visit managerless for the second time in a season having yielded the axe the week before. David Gray should maybe make sure his suit is dry cleaned just in case.

Don’t see any way Maloney is gone before the end of the season.

If we were to drop to 10th and hardly win another game then maybe in the summer but I’d be stunned if it happens before that.

[Carheenlea]

I presume you mean 6th rather than 7th? :greengrin

Unless he’s thinking there are points added in the extra play off games.

The 7th having mire points than 6th is not an unusual one - sure that’s happened before.

[Iggy Pope]

I presume you mean 6th rather than 7th? :greengrin

I hope so. Or the team in 7th would be in the automatic relegation place :greengrin

[Paulie Walnuts]

Unless he’s thinking there are points added in the extra play off games.

The 7th having mire points than 6th is not an unusual one - sure that’s happened before.

I do agree with the poster that we could be looking at a record number of bottom 6 sides having more points than a top 6 side this year. Wouldn’t be surprised to see all the way down to 9th or so end up with more than 6th.

[Carheenlea]

Don’t see any way Maloney is gone before the end of the season.

If we were to drop to 10th and hardly win another game then maybe in the summer but I’d be stunned if it happens before that.

Kensell and Gordon have form for issuing sackings at unexpected times.

They may be even already be contemplating it and preparing for the next appointment if results don’t improve and over what is going to see a period of games which can make or break Shaun Maloney.

[Iggy Pope]

Unless he’s thinking there are points added in the extra play off games.

The 7th having mire points than 6th is not an unusual one - sure that’s happened before.

It has I’m sure of that too but you don’t get points for playing an extra home and away against a team from the league below…I know the SPL is a daft one but not that daft

[green day]

Kensell and Gordon have form for issuing sackings at unexpected times.

They may be even already be contemplating it and preparing for the next appointment if results don’t improve and over what is going to see a period of games which can make or break Shaun Maloney.


If he has good coaching ideas it may be better to retain him but to put an older head alongside him to coach/advise the manager.

[Bridge hibs]

If he has good coaching ideas it may be better to retain him but to put an older head alongside him to coach/advise the manager.Steve Kean ?

[danhibees1875]

Due to the tightness of the league, this could be a year were team in play off place has more points than team in 7th.

Whoever finishes 6th is going to be whipping boys for other teams in top 6.

Why would 6th be the whipping boys of 5th and 4th given how tight it is? :confused:

4th v 5th v 6th would all be competitive, if Hibs were there then I'd expect them to also give Hearts a decent game at home too.

All 4 will more than likely get gubbed off RanTic, but there's nothing that new there.

[hibbysam]

The club need to qualify for Europe. Our whole business plan is built round it. Anything less is a huge failure. Maloney needs to get his finger out.


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Finish top 6 we will only need to finish above 1 team to get into europe. Anyone saying they want us to finish bottom 6 is at it. Beat Utd in a few weeks and it’s done.

[The dalmeny]

If we were to lose the next two to Dundee Utd and Hearts I wouldn’t put it past Gordon and Kensell to be going into another Hampden visit managerless for the second time in a season having yielded the axe the week before. David Gray should maybe make sure his suit is dry cleaned just in case.


Dreamland, stay off the drugs

[JimBHibees]

If he has good coaching ideas it may be better to retain him but to put an older head alongside him to coach/advise the manager.

We have experienced coaches such as Caldwell May etc.

[JimBHibees]

Why would 6th be the whipping boys of 5th and 4th given how tight it is? :confused:

4th v 5th v 6th would all be competitive, if Hibs were there then I'd expect them to also give Hearts a decent game at home too.

All 4 will more than likely get gubbed off RanTic, but there's nothing that new there.

Yes some complete revisionism going on. We have drawn with Celtic beat Rangers in the cup and drawn twice with Hearts we can be competitive with the top 3 never mind whoever may be the others in it.

[loanheadhibby]

I presume you mean 6th rather than 7th? :greengrin

Apologies young man. I did indeed mean 6th. Now edited!

And that was a general point as I’m hoping we will be in top 6 which is minimum requirement for us.

[Carheenlea]

We have experienced coaches such as Caldwell May etc.

Caldwell doesn’t strike me as being a strong number 2. I see David Gray as a De facto assistant - looks more animated on the touchline, offers more instruction and consults more with Maloney.

Might be reading it wrong, but any time I glance towards dugouts that’s what I see with Caldwell just sat on his arse.

[Hibs90]

Steve Kean ?

No

[Carheenlea]

Dreamland, stay off the drugs

They’ve shown they don’t have a lot of sentiment and will make decision if they feel they have to, so why wouldn’t they do so again.

I can see Kensell as a hire ‘em fire ‘em quick kind of guy.

[Mcbizz1998]

Not sure how 4th could be blown? If we make top 6 we will likely need to beat Dundee United anyway.

[Ozyhibby]

I think if Maloney doesn’t make top 6 then he will be sacked. I don’t think RG is the patient type. He did not give JR long after a bad run and he had credit in the bank after a third place finish and regular cup finals. Maloney has zero track record to point to and has spent a lot of money in January and the team has got worse. To not buy a centre mid was a disgrace. He can have no complaints when it happens.


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[Greenio]

Said it before.

Unless we get relegated, there is zero zero zero chance of Maloney losing his job any time soon He will get the rest of the season, the summer (be fully backed to bring in players) and until November. As he should.

CEO and owner put their neck on the line punting Ross. They cannot back out of that without looking completely useless

[Ozyhibby]

Said it before.

Unless we get relegated, there is zero zero zero chance of Maloney losing his job any time soon He will get the rest of the season, the summer (be fully backed to bring in players) and until November. As he should.

CEO and owner put their neck on the line punting Ross. They cannot back out of that without looking completely useless

They are looking that every week as it is. They spent money in January and we got worse. And the players they signed look good but what they didn’t do was address the biggest weakness which is midfield. You can’t win games consistently without controlling midfield. If Maloney doesn’t realise this then he needs to go ASAP.


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[B.H.F.C]

They are looking that every week as it is. They spent money in January and we got worse. And the players they signed look good but what they didn’t do was address the biggest weakness which is midfield. You can’t win games consistently without controlling midfield. If Maloney doesn’t realise this then he needs to go ASAP.


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He’s already stated that his biggest priority in the summer is a midfielder so I think he does realise it.

It’s unbelievable that some idiot, or idiots, thought it was a good idea to give JDH and Campbell long term deals. Based on absolutely nothing performance wise.

He also spoke this week about how he was ready to get Magennis back in to the team before he got injured again. He’d make a massive difference but hopefully he’s learned we can’t rely on him.

He’ll not be sacked before the summer, he needs ti show pretty sharpish that he has identified the problems and resolve them though.

[wookie70]

They are looking that every week as it is. They spent money in January and we got worse. And the players they signed look good but what they didn’t do was address the biggest weakness which is midfield. You can’t win games consistently without controlling midfield. If Maloney doesn’t realise this then he needs to go ASAP.


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I'm not convinced the players we signed do look good. I agree with the rest of your post though particularly the midfield issue.

Rocky is big and strong but nowhere near as good as Hanlon or Porteous and doesn't look like he would suit a passing type game.

Melkerson looked great against Motherwell but that was against 10 men and he hardly got involved in his other appearances.

Clarke - no idea yet

Henderson - looks a lightweight Scott Allan who hasn't got the same passing ability. I don't see him as a starter at any point

Jasper - Looks decent and could be a starter when we are at full strength but struggles to play a full 90 at the same intensity. Not unusual for a wide player that trait though

Hauge - To early to tell and not even in the first team squad

Mitchell - Possibly the only one I can see playing week in week out

Mueller - Has some ability but is slow and very easily dispossessed, may be a good bench player

For me it was Lennon like recruitment. Bring in loads of players who look like they may be decent individuals and hope a couple work out. If they do try and work out where to play them. It will be interesting to see if any of those players are here in two years or are moved on for profit.

We need to look to see what has changed between Stubbs and the other managers that followed. All his signees weren't great but the hit rate was much higher and so many went on to become really popular players and I think that would have been the case even without the cup win.

[B.H.F.C]

I'm not convinced the players we signed do look good. I agree with the rest of your post though particularly the midfield issue.

Rocky is big and strong but nowhere near as good as Hanlon or Porteous and doesn't look like he would suit a passing type game.

Melkerson looked great against Motherwell but that was against 10 men and he hardly got involved in his other appearances.

Clarke - no idea yet

Henderson - looks a lightweight Scott Allan who hasn't got the same passing ability. I don't see him as a starter at any point

Jasper - Looks decent and could be a starter when we are at full strength but struggles to play a full 90 at the same intensity. Not unusual for a wide player that trait though

Hauge - To early to tell and not even in the first team squad

Mitchell - Possibly the only one I can see playing week in week out

Mueller - Has some ability but is slow and very easily dispossessed, may be a good bench player

For me it was Lennon like recruitment. Bring in loads of players who look like they may be decent individuals and hope a couple work out. If they do try and work out where to play them. It will be interesting to see if any of those players are here in two years or are moved on for profit.

We need to look to see what has changed between Stubbs and the other managers that followed. All his signees weren't great but the hit rate was much higher and so many went on to become really popular players and I think that would have been the case even without the cup win.

The January window was a joke, following on from the summer window which was a joke.

With the way the season was going we needed players who were ready made to come in to the team. What we did was buy loads of potential, it wasn’t the time for that.

He’s been unlucky with a couple of things, in particular Clarke who I think would have made a difference in terms of what he wants to do.

[GreenCastle]

He’s already stated that his biggest priority in the summer is a midfielder so I think he does realise it.

It’s unbelievable that some idiot, or idiots, thought it was a good idea to give JDH and Campbell long term deals. Based on absolutely nothing performance wise.

He also spoke this week about how he was ready to get Magennis back in to the team before he got injured again. He’d make a massive difference but hopefully he’s learned we can’t rely on him.

He’ll not be sacked before the summer, he needs ti show pretty sharpish that he has identified the problems and resolve them though.

This is what confuses me - Maloney said he realises we need a CM but even the average punter could see that months ago.

Has he not watched Hibs before he got the job or not realised what he was walking into ?

Did the recruitment team not find a single player in the whole world who can play CM and improve us. Even Omeonga would have improved us and he was down the road.

[lucky]

Rocky is big and strong but nowhere near as good enough. He might be better in a back 4

Melkerson, early days but it’s going to take time for him to develop and get physically use to Scottish football

Clarke - no idea yet

Henderson - looks a lightweight but can cross a ball but unlikely to be a regular

Jasper - he will be regular starter as him and Cadden are the only players that can beat a man

Hauge - To early to tell and not even in the first team squad

Mitchell - He is always injured and flatters to deceive at every club he’s been at. I’m not expecting much from him

Mueller - Has some good skills but to slow and weak for the Scottish game

Overall our January signings have not made us a better team. Clearly Maloney and co don’t realise that be successful in Scottish football you need strong fast players. The passing game he’s trying play is boring everyone to death as we never look like creating any chances.

[B.H.F.C]

This is what confuses me - Maloney said he realises we need a CM but even the average punter could see that months ago.

Has he not watched Hibs before he got the job or not realised what he was walking into ?

Did the recruitment team not find a single player in the whole world who can play CM and improve us. Even Omeonga would have improved us and he was down the road.

I thought previously that he was looking at Magennis coming back and resting a lot of hope on that. What he said this week more or less confirmed that IMO,

I know it’s entirely hypothetical, but imagine the difference him and Boyle make to the team that started yesterday in place of Campbell and Wright. We were never replacing Boyle and his sale has absolutely killed us.

[mcfly]

I think hibs fans have accepted mediocrity for years and as a club it’s not good enough. 3rd last year - scrapping to make top 6 this year.

Too many players not been moved on, poor recruiting, obvious areas of the pitch that fans know we lack presence and quality.

Money is going to be tight come season ticket renewal for all fans and hibs need to show a bit of ambition. Lots of difficult decisions to be made about who stays and who goes.

I think we need to move on a lot of players - looking at the table the Dundee Utd game is crucial

We have to win it or bottom 6 is v likely. All fans need to back the team now more than ever. Sell out Easter road for this game

[A Hi-Bee]

I think hibs fans have accepted mediocrity for years and as a club it’s not good enough. 3rd last year - scrapping to make top 6 this year.

Too many players not been moved on, poor recruiting, obvious areas of the pitch that fans know we lack presence and quality.

Money is going to be tight come season ticket renewal for all fans and hibs need to show a bit of ambition. Lots of difficult decisions to be made about who stays and who goes.

I think we need to move on a lot of players - looking at the table the Dundee Utd game is crucial

We have to win it or bottom 6 is v likely. All fans need to back the team now more than ever. Sell out Easter road for this game

Hibs in general will always have mediocrity as we cannot afford to buy the kind of quality players that we need, we try and bring younger players along in the hope that one or two may be diamonds and reach the kind of quality we need just before we need to sell them on, that is the way of the Scottish game.
Can we do a wee bit better, for sure but it will take time, will we give the manager or any other manager the time I dont know.
GGTTH

[danhibees1875]

Hibs in general will always have mediocrity as we cannot afford to buy the kind of quality players that we need, we try and bring younger players along in the hope that one or two may be diamonds and reach the kind of quality we need just before we need to sell them on, that is the way of the Scottish game.
Can we do a wee bit better, for sure but it will take time, will we give the manager or any other manager the time I dont know.
GGTTH

Over the long-term it'll all come down to money. Teams can overperform and underperform for stints outside of the OF as it's relatively close between the clubs there who all don't really spend money on transfer fees.

With that, I'm sure Hibs are sitting 5th in the all time SPL table, the same as our budget size.

[A Hi-Bee]

Over the long-term it'll all come down to money. Teams can overperform and underperform for stints outside of the OF as it's relatively close between the clubs there who all don't really spend money on transfer fees.

With that, I'm sure Hibs are sitting 5th in the all time SPL table, the same as our budget size.

We are Hibernian F.C. and as such we need to tailor our expectations, love the good times but be prepared for the bad times.

GGTTH

[Ozyhibby]

I think every area of our team apart from centre mid is decent and easily good enough for a top 4 finish. It’s centre mid that is sadly lacking and because it’s so important it drags down every other area of the team.
Now if Maloney is now saying we need a centre mid you have question why it took him until February to realise this? That does not bode well for him as a manager going forward if it takes him that long to assess a team?
I now think he’s blown it and won’t recover. It’s now just a matter of time and how much patience RG has with failure.


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[flash]

I think every area of our team apart from centre mid is decent and easily good enough for a top 4 finish. It’s centre mid that is sadly lacking and because it’s so important it drags down every other area of the team.
Now if Maloney is now saying we need a centre mid you have question why it took him until February to realise this? That does not bode well for him as a manager going forward if it takes him that long to assess a team?
I now think he’s blown it and won’t recover. It’s now just a matter of time and how much patience RG has with failure.


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I don't agree with you that Maloney can't turn things round but I do agree that midfield is killing us.
I reckon he was banking on Magennis returning and filling the attacking role that we are struggling to fill.
Can't understand why we still have Scott Allan at the club if we aren't going to play him.
He needs a run of starts to get up to speed but it's too late for that now.

[Sir David Gray]

Our form is such that we could end up in the play off position. We are utter tom kite.

I'm not sure what form you're referring to but over the last 5 games we're 8th, 10 games we're 9th and 15 and 20 games we're 7th.

With 7 games left we're 10 points clear of the play off spot. This season has been pretty dreadful and I can't wait to see the back of it but there's no chance we're in danger of ending up in the play off spot.

Since the play offs were introduced in 2013/14 the team in 11th or 12th at the split has only finished higher than 11th twice;

13/14 - Partick Thistle - 10th (Hibs were 7th and finished 11th) - 35 points
14/15 - Motherwell - 11th - 36 points
15/16 - Kilmarnock - 11th - 36 points
16/17 - Dundee - 10th (Hamilton were 9th and finished 11th) - 35 points
17/18 - Ross County - 12th (Partick Thistle were 12th and finished 11th) - 33 points
18/19 - St Mirren - 11th - 32 points
19/20 - Ended early
20/21 - Kilmarnock - 11th - 36 points

We're also currently on 37 points so St Johnstone (or Dundee) would need to pick up an unprecedented number of points in their remaining 7 games and we would probably need to lose all of our remaining matches in order for us to be in danger of finishing 11th.

We may well end up 10th which would be unacceptable but we won't finish any lower than that.

[WestStandWillie]

There needs to be a hefty clear out across the deck. On our January signings though:

Bushiri - fan favourite he may be but he’s a liability on the ball. Look for better.

Henderson - there’s something there but he’s still quite green. Not what we need in that midfield. Good impact sub.

Clarke - can’t comment as injured but he looked the part at County so why not?!

Hauge - signed as development player, been thrust into action earlier than expected. Lets wait and see.

Jasper - Like him. Does have flat moments but there’s quality to be played with there. Sign him up!

Melkersen - happy with signing. Has bags of potential and natural talent.

Mueller - hit and miss really. Probably still adapting to the game and getting up to speed with it all. Worth another chance.

Mitchell - flashes of brilliance but then he got injured. Could be anything.

From the rest of the squad:

Allan, Wright, Doidge, Macey and Mitchell (GK) can all get moved on. Not fussed for Campbell and wouldn’t be overly upset if he got moved on whether that’s perm or loan.

Daz will probably retire at end of season and go into coaching role.

Lewis has been one of the better players under SM. He’s flourished being back in the middle of the park when he’s played there.

Doyle-Hayes is a meh for me. Two great goals against County but he’s too boring a player. Slows it down and goes sideways. Wouldn’t be fussed either way if he stayed or went.

Rest of the squad are fine and will be here next season.

A long ramble really but it’s sad we find ourselves needing to beat Dundee Utd at Easter Road to save our league season (sound familiar?)

[Scotty Leither]

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It’s unbelievable that some idiot, or idiots, thought it was a good idea to give JDH and Campbell long term deals. Based on absolutely nothing performance wise.

They would have been the cheap option, that’s what Hibs base most of their decisions on, certainly on the playing side.

Sick of this poverty of ambition, it’s ingrained in the club and it’s galling to think the cup win, which should have been a launch pad to some consistent level of success has been wasted by this Board and the bean counter before them.

[Is It On....]

I think if Maloney doesn’t make top 6 then he will be sacked. I don’t think RG is the patient type. He did not give JR long after a bad run and he had credit in the bank after a third place finish and regular cup finals. Maloney has zero track record to point to and has spent a lot of money in January and the team has got worse. To not buy a centre mid was a disgrace. He can have no complaints when it happens.


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I wonder if he will also sack the Head of Recruitment?

[Nakedmanoncrack]

I’m just waiting for the season to br over and have been since early on in the season. I get the financial argument that top 6 is important. However if bottom 6 meant we could give game time to the likes of Macintyre and O’Connor, who I believe came on today, then it might keep me interested between now and the end of the season. In terms of the league anyway.

Bottom six won't be an opportunity to relax & bring the youngsters in! It will be a desperate struggle to avoid dropping into the play off place.

[Sergio sledge]

There needs to be a hefty clear out across the deck. On our January signings though:

Bushiri - fan favourite he may be but he’s a liability on the ball. Look for better.

Henderson - there’s something there but he’s still quite green. Not what we need in that midfield. Good impact sub.

Clarke - can’t comment as injured but he looked the part at County so why not?!

Hauge - signed as development player, been thrust into action earlier than expected. Lets wait and see.

Jasper - Like him. Does have flat moments but there’s quality to be played with there. Sign him up!

Melkersen - happy with signing. Has bags of potential and natural talent.

Mueller - hit and miss really. Probably still adapting to the game and getting up to speed with it all. Worth another chance.

Mitchell - flashes of brilliance but then he got injured. Could be anything.

From the rest of the squad:

Allan, Wright, Doidge, Macey and Mitchell (GK) can all get moved on. Not fussed for Campbell and wouldn’t be overly upset if he got moved on whether that’s perm or loan.

Daz will probably retire at end of season and go into coaching role.

Lewis has been one of the better players under SM. He’s flourished being back in the middle of the park when he’s played there.

Doyle-Hayes is a meh for me. Two great goals against County but he’s too boring a player. Slows it down and goes sideways. Wouldn’t be fussed either way if he stayed or went.

Rest of the squad are fine and will be here next season.

A long ramble really but it’s sad we find ourselves needing to beat Dundee Utd at Easter Road to save our league season (sound familiar?)

Agree with all of this. Rocky isn't good enough on the ball to play the RCB role in this system. Maybe he could play in the middle of the back three with Hanlon on his left and Clarke on his right (assuming Porteous leaves this summer), but I'd definitely not be too bothered if he doesn't sign at the end of the season I think we can do better.

[Nicho87]

I think like everyone else we have hit another ‘transitional stage’

In other words this team is honking give it time party line

Tends to get used by most clubs every sacking of managers etc

[JimBHibees]

I'm not sure what form you're referring to but over the last 5 games we're 8th, 10 games we're 9th and 15 and 20 games we're 7th.

With 7 games left we're 10 points clear of the play off spot. This season has been pretty dreadful and I can't wait to see the back of it but there's no chance we're in danger of ending up in the play off spot.

Since the play offs were introduced in 2013/14 the team in 11th or 12th at the split has only finished higher than 11th twice;

13/14 - Partick Thistle - 10th (Hibs were 7th and finished 11th) - 35 points
14/15 - Motherwell - 11th - 36 points
15/16 - Kilmarnock - 11th - 36 points
16/17 - Dundee - 10th (Hamilton were 9th and finished 11th) - 35 points
17/18 - Ross County - 12th (Partick Thistle were 12th and finished 11th) - 33 points
18/19 - St Mirren - 11th - 32 points
19/20 - Ended early
20/21 - Kilmarnock - 11th - 36 points

We're also currently on 37 points so St Johnstone (or Dundee) would need to pick up an unprecedented number of points in their remaining 7 games and we would probably need to lose all of our remaining matches in order for us to be in danger of finishing 11th.

We may well end up 10th which would be unacceptable but we won't finish any lower than that.

Yes no chance we are in play off spot. Bottom 6 would be a nightmare but we are where we are basically down to picking up no points at home v Livingston and St Mirren and then not beating either of bottom two teams. We are now in a shoot out for it with loads of other teams. United game looks like a must win as don't think we want to go into the Derby needing a win. Saturday was a nightmare especially losing Porto again for future games though hopefully Hanlon and Clarke can play to cover. Don't have a huge issue with the formation however need to have a genuine attacking player Henderson or Mueller in attacking three in saying that both players need to show more and not just occasional flashes. Would like Doig to be played left mid and give us more drive in both sides of the park. It is still there for us and could do with a couple of breaks as we are getting none at present. A lot of onus on Melkersen and Jasper so they need more attacking support.

[FilipinoHibs]

The Dundee United game is massive. A win almost guarantees us top 6. Means we can go to Gorgie and grind out a draw or snatch a win. Boost ticket sales for semi and give us a shot a fourth after split.

Another 12 days to worry about the game😗

[Hibernian Verse]

The Dundee United game is massive. A win almost guarantees us top 6. Means we can go to Gorgie and grind out a draw or snatch a win. Boost ticket sales for semi and give us a shot a fourth after split.

Another 12 days to worry about the game😗

That's more like it :aok::flag:

[SHODAN]

We are Hibernian F.C. and as such we need to tailor our expectations, love the good times but be prepared for the bad times.

GGTTH

Not sure that's how the chant goes mate.

[DIXIHIBS]

Not sure that's how the chant goes mate.

😀😀

[I'm Spartacus]

We are Hibernian F.C. and as such we need to tailor our expectations, love the good times but be prepared for the bad times.

GGTTH


Not sure that's how the chant goes mate.

That's a belter! :)

"We are Hibernian FC....." then maybe a little wordy after that!

[Is It On....]

This is what confuses me - Maloney said he realises we need a CM but even the average punter could see that months ago.

Has he not watched Hibs before he got the job or not realised what he was walking into ?

Did the recruitment team not find a single player in the whole world who can play CM and improve us. Even Omeonga would have improved us and he was down the road.

The recruitment team would have identified players for that role (as with all roles). We either couldn't get them or (Head of Recruitments fault if we had players on the list we either couldn't or wouldn't afford) or the managers fault that he didn't prioritise.

[GreenCastle]

The recruitment team would have identified players for that role (as with all roles). We either couldn't get them or (Head of Recruitments fault if we had players on the list we either couldn't or wouldn't afford) or the managers fault that he didn't prioritise.

Someones not done their job or someone thought we could cope without.

Lack of depth has cost us start of season and midseason.

Doidge injury (lack of strikers) then Magennis and Newell / JDH being injured.

[hibbyfraelibby]

That’s 3 words

Yes...but only two of them were in the league the other one was in the cup😉

[ekhibee]

Well, I know we're *****, but fortunately so is the league we play in, so we've still got a realistic chance of finishing in the top 6. DU put 3 goals past us last time and we've still got a few injuries so I would settle for a draw, and I don't know if that'll be enough. It might be though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i've convinced myself we will finish 5th, which means three games with the sparryheids coming up


three games of which i've also convinced myself we will win just one of them


i've not managed to convince myself which one it will be though :greengrin the crystal ball is a tad cloudy at the moment

[JimBHibees]

Well, I know we're *****, but fortunately so is the league we play in, so we've still got a realistic chance of finishing in the top 6. DU put 3 goals past us last time and we've still got a few injuries so I would settle for a draw, and I don't know if that'll be enough. It might be though.

The last time we played United we played well and won 3 1.

[Ronniekirk]

The last time we played United we played well and won 3 1.

Was Boyle not in tbe team though and was that the game Scott Allan had a great first half and scored


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[JimBHibees]

Was Boyle not in tbe team though and was that the game Scott Allan had a great first half and scored


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Boyle was yes Scott Allan one was the league cup tie another 3 1 win. Last game was Boxing Day.

[Ronniekirk]

Boyle was yes Scott Allan one was the league cup tie another 3 1 win. Last game was Boxing Day.

Ah but it’s a reminder of what we have lost from Scotty When he came in in the Cup game v Motherwell recently he barely touched the ball


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