Everton FC - are they too bad to stay in the Premier League

[theonlywayisup]

What a shambolic display that was last night! Grim for any Toffees fans around.

The recent history is telling me that they are doomed to relegation for the first time since 1951. Some key facts in the article pasted below:


Two wins in their last 19 league.
Everton's starting back four looked like it might actually be more suited to the Championship. Seamus Coleman has been a magnificent servant but his days are numbered. Keane looks a broken defender. Mason Holgate has not developed while Jonjoe Kenny is a right-back playing at left-back.
Allan, Donny van de Beek and Abdoulaye Doucoure were over-run while Richarlison and Dominic Calvert-Lewin were bystanders.
Everton have somehow managed to spend around £500m on assembling a side much worse than any in recent memory
Five managers sacked in recent seasons - Roberto Martinez, Ronald Koeman, Sam Allardyce, Marco Silva and Rafael Benitez while Carlo Ancelotti left of his own accord to return to Real Madrid.
Everton's tally of 22 points after 25 games is their lowest at this stage of a top-flight season in the club's history. They are winless in their last 11 Premier League away games, nine losses and two draws.



They have failed to have a single shot on target in two of their last three Premier League games, something they had not done in any of their previous 80 games before this run.
Everton have key home games coming up against Wolves and Newcastle United, which won't be easy, in addition to Man United, Chelsea and Brentford.
On their travels, they visit relegation rivals Watford and Burnley in addition to trips to West Ham United, Leicester City, Liverpool and Arsenal away from home.


Could it be that Liverpool will be the team to relegate them.

Everton: Are the Toffees too bad to stay in the Premier League? - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60656543)

[Pagan Hibernia]

I think they’ll survive, just, but they are awful.

there’s so much potential at that club. Huge passionate local fan base. And they were truly fantastic when I was growing up in the 80s, but what is it now coming up to 30 years since they won a trophy? All while having that obnoxious lot just across the park. Their supporters must be utterly fed up.

[WeeRussell]

That could have been double figures last night.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

I think the last time they went down they came straight back up and then immediately went on to be Champions of England.

Not that that's going to happen again.

[JimBHibees]

Strange display not long after losing to City controversially

[MKHIBEE]

I think the last time they went down they came straight back up and then immediately went on to be Champions of England.

Not that that's going to happen again.

They won the 2nd division in 30/31 and were Champions in 31/32, as you say it won’t be happening again.

[The Harp]

It pains me to see the club struggling for survival in the top flight. My dad was an old Evertonian before he came up here in the 1940s. I'd hate to think of them going down, but I wouldn't like to see Leeds relegated either.

[Scorrie]

The games against Watford and Burnley are now huge. Based on last night, they need to develop some fight or those teams will do them. Lampard not helping by blaming the players. He set it up wrong, should have kept it tight and forget about the press. Only certain teams can do that and you need the right players

[Northernhibee]

I don’t rate Lampard as a manager if I’m honest. Wrong appointment at a critical time.

[Since452]

It's a pity we couldn't play Everton

[chrisski33]

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Could it be that Liverpool will be the team to relegate them.

Yes hopefully Liverpool thrash them! 😀

[Irish_Steve]

They were absolutely woeful last night, really, really poor

I think they will just about survive, they have two games in hand over Norwich and Watford but given the way they are playing, that's no guarantee of any points at all

I do think Norwich will go, not quite sure about Watford and Burnley are used to flirting with relegation but they won't be under the pressure Everton will be

[Tambo]

One of Six premiership clubs to never be relegated, I'm sure they survived a few last days to stay up in the mid/late 90's if I'm correct?

No club is to good to down but it's not looking good at the moment.

[Pagan Hibernia]

One of Six premiership clubs to never be relegated, I'm sure they survived a few last days to stay up in the mid/late 90's if I'm correct?

No club is to good to down but it's not looking good at the moment.

their best escape was 1994. 0-2 down to Wimbledon I think it was on the final day and staring relegation in the face and came back to win 3-2

[He's here!]

They had a wonderful side in the mid-80s. The 84/85 title-winning team was one of my favourite ever.

I've never really understood why they're not more regularly successful - and their derby record, even when Liverpool went 30 years without winning the title, is truly abysmal.

[JamesHFC]

https://t.co/zbr0MmkG7e

Potential points deduction?

[Pagan Hibernia]

They had a wonderful side in the mid-80s. The 84/85 title-winning team was one of my favourite ever.

I've never really understood why they're not more regularly successful - and their derby record, even when Liverpool went 30 years without winning the title, is truly abysmal.

it wasn’t actually that bad until the turn of the millennium - probably better than ours which is admittedly not saying much.

over the last couple of decades it’s been shocking. 5 wins out of 49

[Scouse Hibee]

I think they will stay up, hope they do as would rather have two Merseyside clubs in the top flight than one. A lot of my close friends are blues, I would miss the Derby banter with them!

[cameronw-hfc]

I'll be honest, I can only see a potential of 6 points from their run-in. They need to hope the teams around them don't pick up more

[Renfrew_Hibby]

One of Six premiership clubs to never be relegated, I'm sure they survived a few last days to stay up in the mid/late 90's if I'm correct?

No club is to good to down but it's not looking good at the moment.

No Everton have been relegated before. Like I said they once went down, came straight back up then won the top flight straight away!

[J-C]

Raffa sat too deep and got slated for it, Lampard is trying to play a high line but with that back 4 it's never going to work, too slow and garbage.

[The_Exile]

Raffa sat too deep and got slated for it, Lampard is trying to play a high line but with that back 4 it's never going to work, too slow and garbage.

With that defence I'm not surprised he had them sitting deep. Frank would do well to try and grind teams down with eye bleeding football away from home and try and pick up the odd point. Goodison Park will be the reason they stay up, IF they stay up.

[nonshinyfinish]

No Everton have been relegated before. Like I said they once went down, came straight back up then won the top flight straight away!

I think what the poster meant is that they've never been relegated since Sky invented football in 1992.

[Tambo]

I think what the poster meant is that they've never been relegated since Sky invented football in 1992.

Yes sorry that's what I meant. Would love some last day drama.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Everton should go down and quite possibly will but if I was having a cheeky bet I'd lump on Brentford.

[Dan Sarf]

Everton should go down and quite possibly will but if I was having a cheeky bet I'd lump on Brentford.

Not now they have Eriksson.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Not now they have Eriksson.

His impact maybe over estimated.

[theonlywayisup]

One of Six premiership clubs to never be relegated, I'm sure they survived a few last days to stay up in the mid/late 90's if I'm correct?

No club is to good to down but it's not looking good at the moment.

Yes, just wrap things up, it's Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Everton and Chelsea who are the six clubs who since the establishment of the Premier League as the successor-competition to the English First Division in 1992 have never been relegated.

Is anyone able to put them in order of the last time that they were relegated. As we know, Everton was 1951. Man United were sometime during the 70s. Think Chelsea was the 80s.

[nonshinyfinish]

Yes, just wrap things up, it's Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Everton and Chelsea who are the six clubs who since the establishment of the Premier League as the successor-competition to the English First Division in 1992 have never been relegated.

Is anyone able to put them in order of the last time that they were relegated. As we know, Everton was 1951. Man United were sometime during the 70s. Think Chelsea was the 80s.

Arsenal have been in the top division since 1919, having been relegated in 1913. (I think that was actually only one or two seasons in the second division as league football stopped during WWI).

[Baader]

Yes, just wrap things up, it's Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Everton and Chelsea who are the six clubs who since the establishment of the Premier League as the successor-competition to the English First Division in 1992 have never been relegated.

Is anyone able to put them in order of the last time that they were relegated. As we know, Everton was 1951. Man United were sometime during the 70s. Think Chelsea was the 80s.

Last promotions:

Chelsea 1989
Spurs 1978
Man Utd 1975
Liverpool 1962
Everton 1954
Arsenal 1919

[nonshinyfinish]

Last promotions:

Chelsea 1989
Spurs 1978
Man Utd 1975
Liverpool 1962
Everton 1954
Arsenal 1919

Just looked up the Liverpool one and found out this was after relegation in 1954 – eight seasons to come back up!

[Sir David Gray]

Yes, just wrap things up, it's Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Everton and Chelsea who are the six clubs who since the establishment of the Premier League as the successor-competition to the English First Division in 1992 have never been relegated.

Is anyone able to put them in order of the last time that they were relegated. As we know, Everton was 1951. Man United were sometime during the 70s. Think Chelsea was the 80s.

Arsenal - 1913
Everton - 1951
Liverpool - 1954
Manchester Utd - 1974
Tottenham - 1977
Chelsea - 1988

Edit - Too late - nothing worse than spending 20 minutes researching something and then posting it only to find you've been beaten to it. 🤣🤣🤣

[Baader]

Just looked up the Liverpool one and found out this was after relegation in 1954 – eight seasons to come back up!

Yes they really were in the doldrums when Shanks took over. He literally did rebuild that club.

[Baader]

Arsenal - 1913
Everton - 1951
Liverpool - 1954
Manchester Utd - 1974
Tottenham - 1977
Chelsea - 1988

Edit - Too late - nothing worse than spending 20 minutes researching something and then posting it only to find you've been to it. 🤣🤣🤣

It wasn't in vain SDG! Mine were promotions, the relegations are different!

[Irish_Steve]

Yes, just wrap things up, it's Manchester United, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool, Everton and Chelsea who are the six clubs who since the establishment of the Premier League as the successor-competition to the English First Division in 1992 have never been relegated.

Is anyone able to put them in order of the last time that they were relegated. As we know, Everton was 1951. Man United were sometime during the 70s. Think Chelsea was the 80s.

Wasn't it the goal that Denis Law back-heeled for Man City that actually relegated Man U?

[Baader]

Wasn't it the goal that Denis Law back-heeled for Man City that actually relegated Man U?

Results elsewhere meant they'd have been relegated even if they won that derby. Denis didn't know that though.

[Benny Brazil]

Was at the game on Monday as a Spurs fan (1st time in the new stadium which is mind blowing) Everton were really poor, lack of desire and fight in them- Spurs were good but to be honest didn't have to work too hard. Not sure if it's Lampards tactics or just that the players don't have the bottle for the fight - they are in real trouble with the games they have left if the teams round about them start picking up points

[Dan Sarf]

His impact maybe over estimated.


I watched him come on as a sub for Brentford against Newcastle. Admittedly, they lost that game 0-2 (they were down to 10 men) but a couple of his passes were outstanding. He played the whole game against Norwich and they won that 1- 3.

Brentford already have some good players - like Ivan Toney who The tight-wad Rangers failed to sign - and I think Erikson will make the difference and they will stay up. Just.

The Burnley game will be decisive.

[theonlywayisup]

I watched him come on as a sub for Brentford against Newcastle. Admittedly, they lost that game 0-2 (they were down to 10 men) but a couple of his passes were outstanding. He played the whole game against Norwich and they won that 1- 3.

Brentford already have some good players - like Ivan Toney who The tight-wad Rangers failed to sign - and I think Erikson will make the difference and they will stay up. Just.

The Burnley game will be decisive.

Was it not Celtic that tried to sign him? :dunno:

'That was close': Ivan Toney claims he nearly signed for Celtic (tbrfootball.com) (https://tbrfootball.com/that-was-close-ivan-toney-claims-he-nearly-signed-for-celtic/)

[Dan Sarf]

Was it not Celtic that tried to sign him? :dunno:

'That was close': Ivan Toney claims he nearly signed for Celtic (tbrfootball.com) (https://tbrfootball.com/that-was-close-ivan-toney-claims-he-nearly-signed-for-celtic/)

Apologies, you’re right.

[jgl07]

They had a wonderful side in the mid-80s. The 84/85 title-winning team was one of my favourite ever.

I've never really understood why they're not more regularly successful - and their derby record, even when Liverpool went 30 years without winning the title, is truly abysmal.
The Moores family (Littlewoods Pools) owned both Liverpool and Everton. In the 1960s Everton seemed to be favoured but later Everton were hung out to dry and Liverpool given priority.

Everton have been seriously mismanaged since Bill Kenwright relinquished control. Things are not likely to improve until the current clowns in charge hand over.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i think Everton will stay up, they've played three games less than leeds and just a point behind, Leeds doing exactly what Sheff utd done when they got promoted a couple of seasons back, sheff u finished 9th in the top league then relegated the next, Leeds finished 10th last season and imo will get relegated this season, Bielsa was an incredibly stubborn man in insisting on such a small squad, they still had championship players in the side and as expected failed to strengthen in the january window, Bielsa knocked back a couple of loans as well in january though he wasn't helped by victor orta finding some total duds now on very big salaries, only having one striker that has only played 8(i think) games he's going to take time to get up to speed and it's too little too late imo, it had been rumoured 49ers enterprises were going to take charge in 2024 but i wouldn't be surprised if it's after this season finishes, and if they do get relegated Raphinha has release clause for £20m+ if relegated reduced from £60m+ even he's showing signs of just not being that bothered.

Harrison
Rodrigo
James
Klich
Forshaw

all duds

Ayling
Dallas

burned out and just not good enough for the top league


Leeds
Watford
Norwich

favs i think

[Jones28]

i think Everton will stay up, they've played three games less than leeds and just a point behind, Leeds doing exactly what Sheff utd done when they got promoted a couple of seasons back, sheff u finished 9th in the top league then relegated the next, Leeds finished 10th last season and imo will get relegated this season, Bielsa was an incredibly stubborn man in insisting on such a small squad, they still had championship players in the side and as expected failed to strengthen in the january window, Bielsa knocked back a couple of loans as well in january though he wasn't helped by victor orta finding some total duds now on very big salaries, only having one striker that has only played 8(i think) games he's going to take time to get up to speed and it's too little too late imo, it had been rumoured 49ers enterprises were going to take charge in 2024 but i wouldn't be surprised if it's after this season finishes, and if they do get relegated Raphinha has release clause for £20m+ if relegated reduced from £60m+ even he's showing signs of just not being that bothered.

Harrison
Rodrigo
James
Klich
Forshaw

all duds

Ayling
Dallas

burned out and just not good enough for the top league


Leeds
Watford
Norwich

favs i think

I don't any of the three you've mentioned have the stomach for the fight. Seen the highlights from all three and they all look scunnered.

[weecounty hibby]

All the results went the right way for Everton last night. Could really do with a couple of good results of their own though.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I hope Everton stay up; the EPL is better for having its big clubs involved. They are in a real battle, though: two wins in 2022, two away points since last August. It's relegation form and they desperately need a few wins now. I think Leeds might be Everton's saviour and go down in their place.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The other problem Everton have is the new stadium. Would it go ahead if they go down? Relegation might leave them financially crippled.

[jacomo]

The other problem Everton have is the new stadium. Would it go ahead if they go down? Relegation might leave them financially crippled.


Relegation wouldn’t help but I don’t think it’s the biggest issue they face. If Moshiri is just a front for Usmanov - as seems likely - then the finance has just run dry.

[Scouse Hibee]

I hope Everton stay up; the EPL is better for having its big clubs involved. They are in a real battle, though: two wins in 2022, two away points since last August. It's relegation form and they desperately need a few wins now. I think Leeds might be Everton's saviour and go down in their place.

Burnley will go down I reckon, Everton have a few games in hand too, think they will be fine.

[Keith_M]

Burnley will go down I reckon, Everton have a few games in hand too, think they will be fine.


Ignoring the guaranteed six points a season... would you prefer them to stay up?

[Lancs Harp]

Burnley will go down I reckon, Everton have a few games in hand too, think they will be fine.

Agree, my pound is on Norwich, Watford and Burnley for the drop.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Everton should go down and quite possibly will but if I was having a cheeky bet I'd lump on Brentford.

Brentford 2 Burnley 0... and that's why I don't bet!

[Scouse Hibee]

Ignoring the guaranteed six points a season... would you prefer them to stay up?

Yes absolutely,

[J-C]

Yes absolutely,


Everton are a big club as you'll know, they've been mismanaged from owners to management for a good few years now, need a club like them in the premier league.

[Scouse Hibee]

Everton are a big club as you'll know, they've been mismanaged from owners to management for a good few years now, need a club like them in the premier league.

Who knows what they might have achieved had the European ban not stopped them competing in the European cup at a time they were a superb team.

[heretoday]

If they can manage to win their home games they should be OK. It's not a happy ship though.

[Hibernia&Alba]

If they can manage to win their home games they should be OK. It's not a happy ship though.

With their away form so dire, today's game was huge for them. They blew it, and a couple of other results went against them, leaving them out of the relegation zone by goal difference only. It's getting desperate now; they don't look like a squad that is up for a fight.

[cameronw-hfc]

With their away form so dire, today's game was huge for them. They blew it, and a couple of other results went against them, leaving them out of the relegation goal difference only. It's getting desperate now; they don't look like a squad that is up for a fight.


Reminding me of Villas relegation team a bit back. Been a slow process but relatively predictable in hindsight. Been a decline year after year and seems inevitable they'll go down now.

Hope they don't, but it's not looking good, especially with their run in

[heretoday]

Everton looked lacking in confidence today. Having said that Wolves are a good side and Neves is a top type.

Somehow though Lampard isn't galvanising the troops. He was slow to bring on subs too.

I think most toffees would like the luxury of clearing out the whole stable and starting again, preferably with a kick-ass manager to boot, but it is too late for that.

If a senior player or two can get them together and shout some venom into them that might help, because the coach isn't doing it in my opinion. It's getting late.

[LewysGot2]

Their run in is the hardest of all the relegation fodder. Liverpool, a trip to Manchester, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham….if they don’t beat Newcastle on Thursday they’re really, really in big trouble

[Sir David Gray]

Their run in is the hardest of all the relegation fodder. Liverpool, a trip to Manchester, Arsenal, Chelsea, West Ham….if they don’t beat Newcastle on Thursday they’re really, really in big trouble

12 games left;

Liverpool - 2nd
Chelsea - 3rd
Arsenal - 4th
Manchester Utd - 5th
West Ham - 6th
Crystal Palace - 11th
Leicester - 12th x 2
Newcastle - 14th
Brentford - 15th
Burnley - 18th
Watford - 19th

Their games v Burnley and Watford are absolutely massive.

[Pagan Hibernia]

15 defeats in their last 20 games. 9 points accumulated in the league since September. Desperate stuff.

if they hadn’t picked up those few wins right at the start of the season they’d be down already.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Absolutely huge goal that for Everton. Delighted for them tbh

[weecounty hibby]

Great win for Everton. Dug in and got a very much needed three points. Brilliant

[The Harp]

Go on the Toffees!!! Absolutely massive result :-)

[mca]

What a Game !!! even tho I had a love for Liverpool since the 80`s - Everton deserved to win that.. Especially after the red card :top marks

[Hibernia&Alba]

Two penalties tonight, yet still lost to a team in the bottom three. They have a tough run of games to finish the season. Massive trouble now.

[Sir David Gray]

12 games left;

Liverpool - 2nd
Chelsea - 3rd
Arsenal - 4th
Manchester Utd - 5th
West Ham - 6th
Crystal Palace - 11th
Leicester - 12th x 2
Newcastle - 14th
Brentford - 15th
Burnley - 18th
Watford - 19th

Their games v Burnley and Watford are absolutely massive.

9 games left now and they've also now lost one of the games they really had to win.

I think tonight's defeat will be significant.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Rumours on Everton sites that Lampard might be sacked before their next game. What a circus.

[Greencore]

They're definitely going down and it's been coming for years with poor recruitment and managers.

[The Harp]

Horrendous result for the Toffees tonight. They are really up against it now. Have family connections with the club, and hate to think of them being relegated but it's looking more and more likely.

[Jim44]

I saw a lot of the game and I thought they were unlucky to lose. They had most possession and always looked the more likely to score. But, that’s football for you.

[heretoday]

On reflection they shouldn't have appointed Lampard or for that matter Rooney as some were touting. These guys are already millionaire world stars and not hungry enough. Or competent enough.
They should have got a mechanic in to fix things.
For many on Merseyside it's a complete disaster but there are nine games left still.
And Burnley are terrible as well!

[JimBHibees]

On reflection they shouldn't have appointed Lampard or for that matter Rooney as some were touting. These guys are already millionaire world stars and not hungry enough. Or competent enough.
They should have got a mechanic in to fix things.
For many on Merseyside it's a complete disaster but there are nine games left still.
And Burnley are terrible as well!

You do tend to think Burnley are better suited to a relegation battle though. Some of the teams just above will be starting to worry with Burnley winning.

[Sir David Gray]

You do tend to think Burnley are better suited to a relegation battle though. Some of the teams just above will be starting to worry with Burnley winning.

I think Watford and Norwich are both gone and the last place is between Newcastle, Leeds, Everton and Burnley.

Burnley arguably have the best set of fixtures compared with the rest so it will be interesting to see what happens.

[Stevie Reid]

Is that 17 of their last 23 league games that Everton have lost? Absolutely horrendous form.

[Hiber-nation]

They played pretty well last night but individual errors are killing them. Put a bit of pressure on them and they crumble.

[Sir David Gray]

Is that 17 of their last 23 league games that Everton have lost? Absolutely horrendous form.

Yes, 15 points from a possible 75.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Rumours on Everton sites that Lampard might be sacked before their next game. What a circus.

Wonder if it’s the same group that campaigned against the other guy getting an interview to force the bird to give Lampard the gig?

[Paulie Walnuts]

On reflection they shouldn't have appointed Lampard or for that matter Rooney as some were touting. These guys are already millionaire world stars and not hungry enough. Or competent enough.
They should have got a mechanic in to fix things.
For many on Merseyside it's a complete disaster but there are nine games left still.
And Burnley are terrible as well!

I think Rooney would have done quite well.

Lampard was always a poor appointment though imo.

[The Veteran]

They could have done a lot worse by hiring Wayne.

[Scouse Hibee]

I thought Lampard would have done well at Everton, impressed at Chelsea given the transfer restrictions he was under. It goes far deeper than the manager at Everton.

[JimBHibees]

I think Watford and Norwich are both gone and the last place is between Newcastle, Leeds, Everton and Burnley.

Burnley arguably have the best set of fixtures compared with the rest so it will be interesting to see what happens.

Agree don't think Newcastle will go down think between the other three.

[Smartie]

Some of their decision making has been comically bad.

Managerial appointments, managerial departures, huge sums of money spent on average and poor players.

They are exactly where they deserve to be.

[scoopyboy]

I think Rooney would have done quite well.

Lampard was always a poor appointment though imo.

I would have appointed Drunken Duncan.

He understands Everton and fans adore him, players wouldn't be f****** around if he was in charge.

[Sir David Gray]

Agree don't think Newcastle will go down think between the other three.

I thought Newcastle were definitely safe a few weeks ago but they've just lost their last three matches, including a defeat to Everton which has kind of dragged them back into things a little bit.

If (and it's admittedly a big if) Everton and Burnley both win their game in hand over Newcastle, they'll then be just 4 points above relegation.

I personally think Newcastle will probably be ok though thanks to their terrific run of six wins from seven matches from late January to early March.

Leeds' dreadful goal difference may really hurt them.

[JimBHibees]

I would have appointed Drunken Duncan.

He understands Everton and fans adore him, players wouldn't be f****** around if he was in charge.

Even just to the end of the season giving them more time to choose.

[scoopyboy]

Even just to the end of the season giving them more time to choose.

Exactly.

[Scouse Hibee]

I would have appointed Drunken Duncan.

He understands Everton and fans adore him, players wouldn't be f****** around if he was in charge.

That’s a romantic theory in my opinion, he’s been caretaker before.

[660]

I quite like Everton given the Doolan/Stubbs thing but Lampard is an absolute weapon so it would be nice to see him fail.

[heretoday]

Everton want to get out of the sea of sentimentality that they sail about in. Fergie and Rooney are not going to be long-term prospects. Personally I'd go for Potter of Brighton but I fear they'll go down the same route i.e. some faded old superstar or Eddie Howe once Newcastle ditch him for a more glamorous name. He is "Everton minded" after all.

[Pagan Hibernia]

Everton want to get out of the sea of sentimentality that they sail about in. Fergie and Rooney are not going to be long-term prospects. Personally I'd go for Potter of Brighton but I fear they'll go down the same route i.e. some faded old superstar or Eddie Howe once Newcastle ditch him for a more glamorous name. He is "Everton minded" after all.

why not?

not saying Rooney would be the answer but he’s doing a good job under almost impossible circumstances at derby so I wouldn’t rule him out.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Is that 17 of their last 23 league games that Everton have lost? Absolutely horrendous form.

That's right, and six away points all season. It's relegation form and there is no resilience in that team, the players aren't up for the battle to survive. It's a bit like our relegation season.

[Smartie]

That's right, and six away points all season. It's relegation form and there is no resilience in that team, the players aren't up for the battle to survive. It's a bit like our relegation season.

That's grim.

[theonlywayisup]

Not looking good for them now.

[Sir David Gray]

Not looking good for them now.

They need to focus on picking up a few points from their three remaining home games as their away form is utterly hopeless.

The bookies now have them odds on to go down and they're rarely wrong.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It looks like the relegation fight and the title will both go to the wire. Everton are now in the relegation zone; they have several games against teams around them which they must not lose, namely Watford, Brentford and Palace.

Chelsea (h)
Leicester (a)
Watford (a)
Brentford (h)
Crystal Palace (h)
Arsenal (a)

The back to back home games against Brentford and Palace might decide it.

[JamesHFC]

It looks like the relegation fight and the title will both go to the wire. Everton are now in the relegation zone; they have several games against teams around them which they must not lose, namely Watford, Brentford and Palace.

Chelsea (h)
Leicester (a)
Watford (a)
Brentford (h)
Crystal Palace (h)
Arsenal (a)

The back to back home games against Brentford and Palace might decide it.

Leeds also in big danger if they don’t win tonight. Next three games against Man City, Arsenal and Chelsea. Only four points ahead of 18th with a much poorer goal difference than Everton & Burnley.

[easty]

I just read a stat (dunno if it’s been posted here already) that Everton centre mid Allan completed 2 passes in the game yesterday, and they were both from kick off. He played 73 mins.

That’s horrendous.

[Newry Hibs]

It looks like the relegation fight and the title will both go to the wire. Everton are now in the relegation zone; they have several games against teams around them which they must not lose, namely Watford, Brentford and Palace.

Chelsea (h)
Leicester (a)
Watford (a)
Brentford (h)
Crystal Palace (h)
Arsenal (a)

The back to back home games against Brentford and Palace might decide it.

That would be some day in Liverpool if one wins the title and the other is relegated!

[theonlywayisup]

Next few games will be interesting. If Burnley win there next two games, then it could get even bleaker for Everton.

Crystal Palace v Leeds tonight - Leeds have taken 10 points from the last four games, so they look to have found form at the right time. A Leeds win might drag Crystal Palace into the relegation mix.

30th April / 1st May
Watford v Burnley - you'd have to favour Burnley in that game
Leeds v Manchester City - you've got to fancy City
Everton v Chelsea - a must win game for Everton, especially if Burnley win

7th / 8th May
Burnley v Villa - Villa's results lately have been poor with four defeats in the last five games
Arsenal v Leeds
Leicester v Everton

11th May
Leeds v Chelsea
Watford v Everton

15th May
Spurs v Burnley
Everton v Brentford
Leeds v Brighton

19th May
Everton v Crystal Palace
Villa v Burnley

22nd May
Arsenal v Everton
Brentford v Leeds
Burnley v Newcastle

[Is It On....]

Next few games will be interesting. If Burnley win there next two games, then it could get even bleaker for Everton.

Crystal Palace v Leeds tonight - Leeds have taken 10 points from the last four games, so they look to have found form at the right time. A Leeds win might drag Crystal Palace into the relegation mix.

30th April / 1st May
Watford v Burnley - you'd have to favour Burnley in that game
Leeds v Manchester City - you've got to fancy City
Everton v Chelsea - a must win game for Everton, especially if Burnley win

7th / 8th May
Burnley v Villa - Villa's results lately have been poor with four defeats in the last five games
Arsenal v Leeds
Leicester v Everton

11th May
Leeds v Chelsea
Watford v Everton

15th May
Spurs v Burnley
Everton v Brentford
Leeds v Brighton

19th May
Everton v Crystal Palace
Villa v Burnley

22nd May
Arsenal v Everton
Brentford v Leeds
Burnley v Newcastle

Sacking Dean Smith hasn't exactly worked out for Villa. Think that they will be safe but they play virtually all the teams around them in the next few weeks so could be very nervy end of season run in

[Sir David Gray]

Next few games will be interesting. If Burnley win there next two games, then it could get even bleaker for Everton.

Crystal Palace v Leeds tonight - Leeds have taken 10 points from the last four games, so they look to have found form at the right time. A Leeds win might drag Crystal Palace into the relegation mix.

30th April / 1st May
Watford v Burnley - you'd have to favour Burnley in that game
Leeds v Manchester City - you've got to fancy City
Everton v Chelsea - a must win game for Everton, especially if Burnley win

7th / 8th May
Burnley v Villa - Villa's results lately have been poor with four defeats in the last five games
Arsenal v Leeds
Leicester v Everton

11th May
Leeds v Chelsea
Watford v Everton

15th May
Spurs v Burnley
Everton v Brentford
Leeds v Brighton

19th May
Everton v Crystal Palace
Villa v Burnley

22nd May
Arsenal v Everton
Brentford v Leeds
Burnley v Newcastle

On paper Leeds are definitely in good form but two of their three wins were against Norwich and Watford who are both as good as down and the other one was against Wolves who were 2-0 up when they went down to 10 men and then imploded.

I still think Leeds are in danger.

I personally think Crystal Palace will be fine. They're 8 points clear of Everton who have 6 games left. Everton only have 7 points from their previous 10 games, I don't think there's any danger that they're picking up at least 8 from the next 6.

[StirlingHibee]

Can't quite get my head round the fact that the unthinkable could happen and they could be relegated. They are a poor team though and i'm not convinced Frank Lampard is a top flight manager. Every time I see Frank on the TV he looks like he has aged 10 years. Lampard was a brilliant player but perhaps it's the old adage that being a great player does not mean you will be a great manager (I include Gerrard in that bracket). Newcastle got themselves the number 1 pick in my opinion with Howe who had a very unremarkable career as a player.

[Sir David Gray]

Can't quite get my head round the fact that the unthinkable could happen and they could be relegated. They are a poor team though and i'm not convinced Frank Lampard is a top flight manager. Every time I see Frank on the TV he looks like he has aged 10 years. Lampard was a brilliant player but perhaps it's the old adage that being a great player does not mean you will be a great manager (I include Gerrard in that bracket). Newcastle got themselves the number 1 pick in my opinion with Howe who had a very unremarkable career as a player.

Newcastle have been outstanding since Howe came in. I think they're going to just come up short in their attempt to qualify for a European place but what a run they have been on since Howe was appointed.

League record since Howe was appointed.

P - 23
W - 11
D - 5
L - 7
F - 28
A - 31
Pts - 38

League record before Howe was appointed.

P - 11
W - 0
D - 5
L - 6
F - 12
A - 24
Pts - 5

Also 10 wins from their last 14 league games is incredible and bettered only by Liverpool and Manchester City.

[ScottB]

Can't quite get my head round the fact that the unthinkable could happen and they could be relegated. They are a poor team though and i'm not convinced Frank Lampard is a top flight manager. Every time I see Frank on the TV he looks like he has aged 10 years. Lampard was a brilliant player but perhaps it's the old adage that being a great player does not mean you will be a great manager (I include Gerrard in that bracket). Newcastle got themselves the number 1 pick in my opinion with Howe who had a very unremarkable career as a player.

Seems relevant to a couple other active threads…

[Hibernia&Alba]

They've even gone and won away. They are giving it their all, so fair play. Now above Leeds and Burnley with a game in hand. Big chance for them to beat the drop.

[Sir David Gray]

I didn't think Everton had it in them but well done to them they are now in a great position to survive and I think they will now.

They could be 4 points clear by Wednesday night which is pretty significant at this stage of the season.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I didn't think Everton had it in them but well done to them they are now in a great position to survive and I think they will now.

They could be 4 points clear by Wednesday night which is pretty significant at this stage of the season.

I also thought they were a goners a couple of weeks ago, but they've beaten United (not difficult), Chelsea and Leicester since. They're giving it their best shot.

[Sir David Gray]

I also thought they were a goners a couple of weeks ago, but they've beaten United (not difficult), Chelsea and Leicester since. They're giving it their best shot.

Yep 10 points from a possible 15 after losing to Burnley is quite impressive considering who these 5 games were against.