‘Tackle’

[hibbysam]

One of the worst you are likely to see on a football pitch. Straight on, jumped off the ground, straight through the player studs first, at speed. Ref was a matter of metres away. I actually think he took that long that he managed to convince himself something else happened. Be another lengthy call from Kensell to Allan tomorrow.

[CmoantheHibs]

Yep. I struggle to see why it was not a red card. High, out of control and dangerous. Clear sending off.

[BILLYHIBS]

One of the worst you are likely to see on a football pitch. Straight on, jumped off the ground, straight through the player studs first, at speed. Ref was a matter of metres away. I actually think he took that long that he managed to convince himself something else happened. Be another lengthy call from Kensell to Allan tomorrow.

Probably influenced by the fact he had already booked him

Shocking tackle

Our wee meeting with the SFA obviously worked ..not!

[hibbysam]

Probably influenced by the fact he had already booked him

Shocking tackle

Our wee meeting with the SFA obviously worked ..not!

Booked who? He got booked for the tackle, he hadn’t been booked previously.

[Leithwalk]

[QUOTE=CmoantheHibs;6881067]Yep. I struggle to see why it was not a red card. /QUOTE]


Because it wasn't Porteous

[Stuart93]

Porteous would’ve reported to St Leonards by now if it was him that had made it.

[BILLYHIBS]

Booked who? He got booked for the tackle, he hadn’t been booked previously.

Sorry I fell asleep and only saw the replay 😂

[LaMotta]

Booked who? He got booked for the tackle, he hadn’t been booked previously.


:agree: It was an absolute regulation red. Really astonishing decision, got the perfect view of it from my seat. Can you just imagine if Porteous put in a tackle like that?

[hibbysam]

:agree: It was an absolute regulation red. Really astonishing decision, got the perfect view of it from my seat. Can you just imagine if Porteous put in a tackle like that?

Same, but when he got booked thought I must’ve missed something - the replays look worse every time I see it. Can you imagine how quick the red card would be out against an old firm side in that instance?

[LunasBoots]

The ref literally told the player why he was booking him, studs up and out of control but somehow deems its not a red card....Scottish refs for you.

[LaMotta]

Same, but when he got booked thought I must’ve missed something - the replays look worse every time I see it. Can you imagine how quick the red card would be out against an old firm side in that instance?

Not been so angry about a decision in a long time, he was so high and out of control and went right though the Hibs player. When you remember the ridiculous outcries from pundits about Porto's tackle at Ibrox where he actually got the ball and was nowhere near Aribo, we can surely expect to see more of the same on Sportscene etc this weekend....

Melkerson looked like he might have been lucky to get away with a yellow near the end for his lunge? That was further away so couldn't see properly so I could be wrong...

[Pretty Boy]

It was a disgrace of a challenge.

I rarely lose the rag at a game but I was screaming for a red there. That is the kind of tackle that can seriously injure players if it catches them wrong.

Tbh I don't think it was malicious in the sense the ball was there to be won but it was reckless, over the ball and dangerous.

[hibbysam]

It was a disgrace of a challenge.

I rarely lose the rag at a game but I was screaming for a red there. That is the kind of tackle that can seriously injure players if it catches them wrong.

Tbh I don't think it was malicious in the sense the ball was there to be won but it was reckless, over the ball and dangerous.

I don’t agree with your second part, the way he jumped in with the slightly bent knee and extended through the tackle, over the ball, says to me it was calculated. I usually understand ‘bad’ tackles where the player has been unlucky and can’t go in any other way, that today was verging assault.

[Sir David Gray]

It was a definite red card - absolute disgrace from the referee.

Fortunately the referee also missed another challenge which looked like a nailed on red card to me with Melkersen escaping with a booking.

[A Hi-Bee]

The ref literally told the player why he was booking him, studs up and out of control but somehow deems its not a red card....Scottish refs for you.

An then he told JDH to just go away, officious wee **** as most of them are.

[Alfred E Newman]

It was a definite red card - absolute disgrace from the referee.

Fortunately the referee also missed another challenge which looked like a nailed on red card to me with Melkersen escaping with a booking.
That will be the one highlighted on Sportscene tonight no doubt.

[Tully]

Melkerson never a sending off

[greenlex]

I think the ref was the only person in the stadium that didn’t think that was a red.

[The Captain....]

As obvious a red card as your likely to see. That's 2 pretty straightforward decisions not given in the last 2 games..plus the tackle that injured Nisbet. Refs are as poor as I can ever remember..inconsistent, weak, and in some cases corrupt.

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[Bishop Hibee]

Straight red all day long. Disgraceful. If it’s Porteous there’s a 6 page pull out in the Daily Record.

[Hermit Crab]

One of the worst you are likely to see on a football pitch. Straight on, jumped off the ground, straight through the player studs first, at speed. Ref was a matter of metres away. I actually think he took that long that he managed to convince himself something else happened. Be another lengthy call from Kensell to Allan tomorrow.

Absolutely no chance is that theorist tackle you're likely to see. Talk about overreacting. It was a bit naughty but no way was it the worst you'll see.

[McD]

As obvious a red card as your likely to see. That's 2 pretty straightforward decisions not given in the last 2 games..plus the tackle that injured Nisbet. Refs are as poor as I can ever remember..inconsistent, weak, and in some cases corrupt.

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don't disagree about the poor news of referees, but the nisbet tackle was a given as a foul and a yellow, which is what it was. The injury was caused by nisbet twisting, it wasn’t a red card tackle

[GreenCastle]

Ref was crap on Wednesday.

Ref was crap today - should have been a red 100%. Contact or not it was bad.

[MWHIBBIES]

Melkerson never a sending off

Could have been for 2 bookings.

[hibbysam]

Absolutely no chance is that theorist tackle you're likely to see. Talk about overreacting. It was a bit naughty but no way was it the worst you'll see.

Speed, height, studs, straight on - he had no control and was pure luck he never done serious damage. ‘Bit naughty’ is kicking out at someone, putting in a cowards tackle like that isn’t a ‘bit naiughty’.

[JimBHibees]

Would love an explanation why no red as simply there isn't one

[JimBHibees]

Speed, height, studs, straight on - he had no control and was pure luck he never done serious damage. ‘Bit naughty’ is kicking out at someone, putting in a cowards tackle like that isn’t a ‘bit naiughty’.

Yep cowardly leg breaker challenge

[Hibernia&Alba]

It was outrageous. In today's game, whereby tackling is almost prohibited, that tackle was a one hundred per cent red.

[JohnM1875]

One of the worst you are likely to see on a football pitch. Straight on, jumped off the ground, straight through the player studs first, at speed. Ref was a matter of metres away. I actually think he took that long that he managed to convince himself something else happened. Be another lengthy call from Kensell to Allan tomorrow.

Couldn't agree more. ****ing horrific decision. Actually annoying.

[davy67 +]

That's not a tackle it's full on assault, I can't understand why the referee doesn't seem to think it's not a red card , players have been sent off for far less than that

[lord bunberry]

It was a red all day long, the guy lost the ball and jumped in to try and rectify his mistake. It wasn’t malicious, but how the ref didn’t see that as a red is mystifying.

[wookie70]

Melkerson looked like he might have been lucky to get away with a yellow near the end for his lunge? That was further away so couldn't see properly so I could be wrong...

I thought that too, look like he left a shoulder or elbow in after being booked already. Surely Maloney has said how important it is that players are careful with sending offs etc.

[Not In The Know]

It was a red all day long, the guy lost the ball and jumped in to try and rectify his mistake. It wasn’t malicious, but how the ref didn’t see that as a red is mystifying.

cause the refs a Hun. Like everyone says if that had been Porteous he’d be brushing Putin of the front page again.

[superfurryhibby]

Speed, height, studs, straight on - he had no control and was pure luck he never done serious damage. ‘Bit naughty’ is kicking out at someone, putting in a cowards tackle like that isn’t a ‘bit naiughty’.

Tend to agree. Rockie’s red was a bit naughty, that tackle today was a red.....by the standards of the modern game.

[JohnM1875]

I'm actually still furious it wasn't a red. Two games in a row now. Pointless having chat's with these chancers when it results in performances like today.

[Sir David Gray]

Melkerson never a sending off

Has it been shown on Sportscene?

Maybe it was my angle but I thought he was fortunate.

[Green_one]

Not been so angry about a decision in a long time, he was so high and out of control and went right though the Hibs player. When you remember the ridiculous outcries from pundits about Porto's tackle at Ibrox where he actually got the ball and was nowhere near Aribo, we can surely expect to see more of the same on Sportscene etc this weekend....

Melkerson looked like he might have been lucky to get away with a yellow near the end for his lunge? That was further away so couldn't see properly so I could be wrong...

Clear red. Ref bottled it. Reckless

Yup Melkerson was a poor tackle Again uncontrolled Needs to cut that out.

[3pm]

Has it been shown on Sportscene?

Maybe it was my angle but I thought he was fortunate.

I never though either was which is bad news for Elias.

Think the ref was going for a red before he realised he never sent the Saintee off.

[Lester B]

Has anyone got a link to footage of the tackle? Looked pretty awful from the West stand

[NC1875]

Was a terrible challenge and everyone in the stands could see it. Yet the ref literally a meter away deems it a yellow.

If that had been Ryan, it would be on the front page of the Daily Ranger tomorrow!

[Sir David Gray]

Was a terrible challenge and everyone in the stands could see it. Yet the ref literally a meter away deems it a yellow.

If that had been Ryan, it would be on the front page of the Daily Ranger tomorrow!

Guaranteed.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

Has anyone got a link to footage of the tackle? Looked pretty awful from the West stand

My son had it on twitter and it was a definite red. Sorry, can’t post it. Out of control and straight leg going right through. If JDH’s leg was planted in the ground and he connected I shudder to think what would have happened.

[matty_f]

100% a red card. Absolutely sick of referees in this league. There’s not a good one amongst them.

[Mr. Wonderful]

Take away the blatant red card tackle and the ref still had a stinker. Didn't let the game flow at all and allowed time wasting to go unpunished.

Constantly pulling players back to take throw ins at the right place and then just ignoring it when they took the throw from exactly the same place again.

Pulled Dabrowski up for stealing 2 yards from a free kick when 5 minutes earlier the St Johnstone keeper has stolen about 10.

Pulled up JDH for missing a player entirely with a slide tackle and then didn't pull up a St Johnstone player for going to wipe Melkersen out 5 minutes later, and actually making contact.

Then he pulled a hibs player up near the end again for a similar incident.

St Johnstone number 5 wiped out Jasper at the start of the first half with about his 5th foul.. and should've been booked but wasn't and then put another bad one in right after that shouldn't have been allowed to happen.

[IberianHibernian]

Has it been shown on Sportscene?

Maybe it was my angle but I thought he was fortunate. Not sure about first yellow but he was fortunate not to get a second for challenge near end where he seemed to use elbow .

[brianmc]

https://twitter.com/Gaz_P1/status/1500166891700207621?t=uMRWbvqJ5B7av4i92klSoA&s=19

[Stevie Reid]

https://twitter.com/Gaz_P1/status/1500166891700207621?t=uMRWbvqJ5B7av4i92klSoA&s=19

The arrogance of that reaction to JDH angered me almost as much as the tackle. Absolutely shocking refereeing.

Supposed to protect the players - ends up chastising the guy who almost got his leg broken.

[JohnM1875]

https://twitter.com/Gaz_P1/status/1500166891700207621?t=uMRWbvqJ5B7av4i92klSoA&s=19

Wow. I thought it was as clear a red as you can get at the time, but I was a bit away in the west upper. But that is far worse than I thought it would be. Incredible that a red wasn't given. Truly embarrassing refereeing.

[MWHIBBIES]

https://twitter.com/Gaz_P1/status/1500166891700207621?t=uMRWbvqJ5B7av4i92klSoA&s=19

Refs truly do deserve every single ounce of abuse they get. Horrible, useless, arrogant *******. No wonder we have so many players injured when opposition thugs get away with things like this.

[hibbysam]

Worst bit is, all we’ve heard all week is how they ‘need VAR’ - no we don’t, we need people in charge of our game who can make decisions in real time when a matter of yards away with an unobstructed view. Sick and tired of them hiding behind the VAR argument.

3 red cards in 2 games not given against players opposing us. Now remember the Dundee United player getting banned after the game for a yellow card offence against Celtic, let’s see if this one is picked up on. If not it’ll just show the clear discrepancies within our disciplinary system.

[Pretty Boy]

It's no wonder players don't respect referees when you see the jokers who rise to the top. Easiest decision he will ever have to make in his career and he got it wrong then snarled at the victim of the tackle.

Add to that the officious way he acted all game. Demanding players stand 2 yards from him rather than 3 when talking to them. Being all picky about a goalkeeper taking a free kick a yard away from where it should have been then letting other players steal 10 yards.

I take my hat off to the guys who go out in public parks for £40 a time. The system is rigged though and they are being let down by the guys fast tracked to the top. No one can respect them and that leads to them losing respect for refs right down the chain.

I know a couple of ex refs and they will tell you the same. The guys at the top are treated with disdain by guys in the business as well as fans.

[hibbysam]

It's no wonder players don't respect referees when you see the jokers who rise to the top. Easiest decision he will ever have to make in his career and he got it wrong then snarled at the victim of the tackle.

Add to that the officious way he acted all game. Demanding players stand 2 yards from him rather than 3 when talking to them. Being all picky about a goalkeeper taking a free kick a yard away from where it should have been then letting other players steal 10 yards.

I take my hat off to the guys who go out in public parks for £40 a time. The system is rigged though and they are being let down by the guys fast tracked to the top. No one can respect them and that leads to them losing respect for refs right down the chain.

I know a couple of ex refs and they will tell you the same. The guys at the top are treated with disdain by guys in the business as well as fans.

100%. The Dabrowski free kick one pisses me off big time. The line of the box doesn’t matter. So we’re talking 2 yards, it makes literally zero difference to the game so get on with it. The arrogance of it is a massive annoyance.

[Paulie Walnuts]

What a prick that referee is. His reaction to JDH is atrocious.

That tackle is absolutely horrendous. It ticks just about every box for what should be a red card all in one tackle.

That’s 3 red cards in 2 games been missed against us whilst we got a red card for the softest incident of the lot.

[DaveF]

Seeing these pricks ruin the game drives me mad. An over officious little twat who got that decision 1 million percent wrong

I wonder if Hibs will publicly complain.

[21.05.2016]

Terrible tackle, ref absolutely shat giving a red. As others have rightly mentioned, had that been Porteous it would have been a red card all day long and there would have been a massive media **** storm around it. Terrible refereeing.

[Musselbound]

It was a definite red card - absolute disgrace from the referee.

Fortunately the referee also missed another challenge which looked like a nailed on red card to me with Melkersen escaping with a booking.

I was right in front of that Melkerson challenge in row 2 and thought the same. Haven't seen replays yet but both could easily have been red cards imo.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Tell you what - we’ve got some end of the season to look forward to when this all evens out.

[brog]

I wish people would stop using the phrase 'out of control to describe a challenge and justify a red card. That phrase doesn't exist anywhere within the Laws of the Game. It's a stupid phrase used by ignorant pundits such as Boyd to basically get Porteous, or any non OF player sent off. And 'reckless' exists but is a yellow card offence. In fact Porto's challenge at Ibrox ticked pretty much all the boxes for 'reckless' and was described as such by pundits who wrongly then said that was a red. Today's however was 100% a red however you describe it and Porto would have been in the dressing room 10 seconds later if he had been the guilty party.

[JimBHibees]

Worst bit is, all we’ve heard all week is how they ‘need VAR’ - no we don’t, we need people in charge of our game who can make decisions in real time when a matter of yards away with an unobstructed view. Sick and tired of them hiding behind the VAR argument.

3 red cards in 2 games not given against players opposing us. Now remember the Dundee United player getting banned after the game for a yellow card offence against Celtic, let’s see if this one is picked up on. If not it’ll just show the clear discrepancies within our disciplinary system.

Good post. Genuinely sick of the number of game changing decisions we get done over with. It was the exact same when we got relegated there were loads. Same here. 3 stick on red cards ignored. These are massive for our season could have been 4 points better off. These make huge differences in games. The Anderson one on Wednesday and this one today are simply unforgivable and corrupt imo.

His reaction to JDH is despicable. Funny how it looked like he was going for his top pocket and red maybe his subconscious telling him the real decision. Abysmal.

[hibbysam]

I wish people would stop using the phrase 'out of control to describe a challenge and justify a red card. That phrase doesn't exist anywhere within the Laws of the Game. It's a stupid phrase used by ignorant pundits such as Boyd to basically get Porteous, or any non OF player sent off. And 'reckless' exists but is a yellow card offence. In fact Porto's challenge at Ibrox ticked pretty much all the boxes for 'reckless' and was described as such by pundits who wrongly then said that was a red. Today's however was 100% a red however you describe it and Porto would have been in the dressing room 10 seconds later if he had been the guilty party.

Not true. ‘Is the player in control of his actions or is he off the ground and out of control’ is in the guidelines set out to referees under the speed and intensity. Just because it isn’t quoted in the laws of the game doesn’t mean it isn’t a factor in the decision making based on the guidance.

[CL0762]

That ref today was a disgrace. I actually despise the officials in our game, they are nothing short of ****ing awful week in week out.


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[Sir David Gray]

I was right in front of that Melkerson challenge in row 2 and thought the same. Haven't seen replays yet but both could easily have been red cards imo.

Yeah I was just along from it and felt it was going to be a red card when it happened. I know others have said on here that it wasn't a red card so maybe I need to see it again but I was relieved to see the yellow card come out.

[J-C]

Seen it tonight, as easy a red as you'll see, straight leg and studs up.

[Nicho87]

The ref clearly says to JDH at the end.

WHAT YOU WANTING!?!?

consistant refereeing you effing dick

[Onceinawhile]

Threshold for our players to concede a foul or get a red card is so low compared to the other teams.

Ever since mcginn uttered inept.

[Nicho87]

That’s only 2 red cards arguably 3 in 2 games they have missed AGAINST us, guess we’re just unlucky eh.

[wookie70]

Not true. ‘Is the player in control of his actions or is he off the ground and out of control’ is in the guidelines set out to referees under the speed and intensity. Just because it isn’t quoted in the laws of the game doesn’t mean it isn’t a factor in the decision making based on the guidance.

I don't get why being off the ground makes such a difference. I get that you may have some control of speed if you are sliding along the ground and perhaps even your direction but to me it is the position, force and height of the fouling body part or boot as it hits the victim that makes the different. You can be much more forceful sliding along the ground than in the air depending on the speed you were going at the start of the movement. You can also be off the ground with your fouling foot low and no studs showing but on the ground tackling high two footed and studs up. Is there a difference in terms of impact when a player is off the ground rather than sliding on it with all other factors equal. In my head I think the flying player may be less dangerous if you are moving towards them just like a standing leg resists more than one of the ground. Don't know really and it is the out of control part that should really count

[hibbysam]

I don't get why being off the ground makes such a difference. I get that you may have some control of speed if you are sliding along the ground and perhaps even your direction but to me it is the position, force and height of the fouling body part or boot as it hits the victim that makes the different. You can be much more forceful sliding along the ground than in the air depending on the speed you were going at the start of the movement. You can also be off the ground with your fouling foot low and no studs showing but on the ground tackling high two footed and studs up. Is there a difference in terms of impact when a player is off the ground rather than sliding on it with all other factors equal. In my head I think the flying player may be less dangerous if you are moving towards them just like a standing leg resists more than one of the ground. Don't know really and it is the out of control part that should really count

Being off the ground doesn’t automatically make it a red, it’s just part of the decision making. Being completely off the ground takes all control out of it. It’s essentially in the lap of the gods what contact you make/where you make it etc. when on the ground, you have more control about which height you make contact at, the force, the positioning of your studs etc.

Today the off the ground/out of control part becomes really relevant due to the speed, intensity and the contact point. Also take todays for example, be a use he flies through the air, the impact is going from high to low therefore more chance of a players boot sticking in the ground - more damage (stamping motion).

[The Harp Awakes]

Straight red all day long. Disgraceful. If it’s Porteous there’s a 6 page pull out in the Daily Record.

Absolutely. Without question if Porto made that challenge, he'd have been off. Every game we see these horrendous decisions by refs. Becoming really annoying.

[HibeeMackenzie]

Melkerson slipped as opposed to went into to do their boy, the st j boy was as reckless as you can be and there can be no one arguing that it wasn’t a red, a planted leg and jdh is out for longer than Nisbet

[JimBHibees]

The ref clearly says to JDH at the end.

WHAT YOU WANTING!?!?

consistant refereeing you effing dick

Is that what he said? Incredible

[JimBHibees]

I don't get why being off the ground makes such a difference. I get that you may have some control of speed if you are sliding along the ground and perhaps even your direction but to me it is the position, force and height of the fouling body part or boot as it hits the victim that makes the different. You can be much more forceful sliding along the ground than in the air depending on the speed you were going at the start of the movement. You can also be off the ground with your fouling foot low and no studs showing but on the ground tackling high two footed and studs up. Is there a difference in terms of impact when a player is off the ground rather than sliding on it with all other factors equal. In my head I think the flying player may be less dangerous if you are moving towards them just like a standing leg resists more than one of the ground. Don't know really and it is the out of control part that should really count

Being off the ground and by inference out of control of where you contact will mean more likely to cause serious injury.

[WeeRussell]

I don't get why being off the ground makes such a difference. I get that you may have some control of speed if you are sliding along the ground and perhaps even your direction but to me it is the position, force and height of the fouling body part or boot as it hits the victim that makes the different. You can be much more forceful sliding along the ground than in the air depending on the speed you were going at the start of the movement. You can also be off the ground with your fouling foot low and no studs showing but on the ground tackling high two footed and studs up. Is there a difference in terms of impact when a player is off the ground rather than sliding on it with all other factors equal. In my head I think the flying player may be less dangerous if you are moving towards them just like a standing leg resists more than one of the ground. Don't know really and it is the out of control part that should really count

I think I kind of get what you mean, but I’d fancy my chances of escaping without serious injury better it someone was sliding through the grass at me rather than flying through the air.

I think part of it is that it’s rarely necessary to leave the ground completely and it implies malice, or at least a loss of control.

[lord bunberry]

I was right in front of that Melkerson challenge in row 2 and thought the same. Haven't seen replays yet but both could easily have been red cards imo.
The Melkerson tackle wasn’t a red, you can watch it back and see that he doesn’t even make contact with the player.

[brog]

Not true. ‘Is the player in control of his actions or is he off the ground and out of control’ is in the guidelines set out to referees under the speed and intensity. Just because it isn’t quoted in the laws of the game doesn’t mean it isn’t a factor in the decision making based on the guidance.

You're correct of course. I'm just sick of lazy pundits finding a new phrase and then constantly parroting it. As i said originally, Porto's red at Ibrox was described as 'reckless' by most of the commentators but they didn't know that reckless equals yellow. Its just part of the general ignorance and bias which affects our football from top to bottom.

[Mcbizz1998]

An astonishing decision.


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[Carheenlea]

A disgraceful challenge, and a disgraceful decision. Refereeing has never been so bad in Scottish football. Every week now they are centre of attention.

[Pretty Boy]

If anyone doesn't believe there is a bias against certain teams then I suggest listening to the Sacked In the Morning podcast episode about referees.

I'm no fan of Craig Levein for a number of reasons but one of his stories is a proper WTF moment. He had made comments in a post match interview about Dougie MacDonald (he called him incompetent and suggested he stopped counting his mistakes in the game at 98, I think he also implied he had favoured the opposition because of who they were). He was fined for it, appealed and the fine was doubled, he refused to pay and this rumbled on with refusal, doubling and so on. Incidentally the rules made no provision for doubling a fine in such a way so he ended up only being fined the original amount. Anyway whilst this was going on there was a game in which Dundee Utd were away, in the 1st 5 minutes a ball went out for a throw in for them, the (unnamed) referee awarded it to the opposition, Levein complained and the ref came over, lectured him and before walking away told him quietly 'you are getting **** all from me today'.

Refs are human and on the park many give the impression of being petty and officious as well. The comments by McGinn post the LC final won't have been forgotten and I'm certain that consciously or subconsciously that is impacting how decisions concerning us are made. Not sending off the player on Saturday may well be excusable as a mistake, the reaction to JDH afterwards suggests it goes deeper.

[LaMotta]

If anyone doesn't believe there is a bias against certain teams then I suggest listening to the Sacked In the Morning podcast episode about referees.

I'm no fan of Craig Levein for a number of reasons but one of his stories is a proper WTF moment. He had made comments in a post match interview about Dougie MacDonald (he called him incompetent and suggested he stopped counting his mistakes in the game at 98, I think he also implied he had favoured the opposition because of who they were). He was fined for it, appealed and the fine was doubled, he refused to pay and this rumbled on with refusal, doubling and so on. Incidentally the rules made no provision for doubling a fine in such a way so he ended up only being fined the original amount. Anyway whilst this was going on there was a game in which Dundee Utd were away, in the 1st 5 minutes a ball went out for a throw in for them, the (unnamed) referee awarded it to the opposition, Levein complained and the ref came over, lectured him and before walking away told him quietly 'you are getting **** all from me today'.

Refs are human and on the park many give the impression of being petty and officious as well. The comments by McGinn post the LC final won't have been forgotten and I'm certain that consciously or subconsciously that is impacting how decisions concerning us are made. Not sending off the player on Saturday may well be excusable as a mistake, the reaction to JDH afterwards suggests it goes deeper.

The Levein podcast is a great listen. I'm almost ashamed at how much I actually quite like listening to Levein on that and as a pundit some of the time ( not always:greengrin).

In 2012 Hibs came out and publicly slated Craig Thomson after a woeful decision somewhere. I don't think its any coincidence his performance in the cup final did us no favours at all.

[JimBHibees]

If anyone doesn't believe there is a bias against certain teams then I suggest listening to the Sacked In the Morning podcast episode about referees.

I'm no fan of Craig Levein for a number of reasons but one of his stories is a proper WTF moment. He had made comments in a post match interview about Dougie MacDonald (he called him incompetent and suggested he stopped counting his mistakes in the game at 98, I think he also implied he had favoured the opposition because of who they were). He was fined for it, appealed and the fine was doubled, he refused to pay and this rumbled on with refusal, doubling and so on. Incidentally the rules made no provision for doubling a fine in such a way so he ended up only being fined the original amount. Anyway whilst this was going on there was a game in which Dundee Utd were away, in the 1st 5 minutes a ball went out for a throw in for them, the (unnamed) referee awarded it to the opposition, Levein complained and the ref came over, lectured him and before walking away told him quietly 'you are getting **** all from me today'.

Refs are human and on the park many give the impression of being petty and officious as well. The comments by McGinn post the LC final won't have been forgotten and I'm certain that consciously or subconsciously that is impacting how decisions concerning us are made. Not sending off the player on Saturday may well be excusable as a mistake, the reaction to JDH afterwards suggests it goes deeper.

Agree with that and interesting he went on to insinuate that he thought some refs had taken bungs which again wouldn't surprise. The whole set up of referees just isn't fit for purpose in any way with virtually all from West coast. Sounds like a closed shop and impossible to get in if not from certain areas. People and refs are human and will have people they get on with better than others however I think there certainly is something deeper and I think we know from the past that publicising you have spoken to the head refs guys to complain doesn't necessarily work well for us but other teams it does imo.

[WeeRussell]

If anyone doesn't believe there is a bias against certain teams then I suggest listening to the Sacked In the Morning podcast episode about referees.

I'm no fan of Craig Levein for a number of reasons but one of his stories is a proper WTF moment. He had made comments in a post match interview about Dougie MacDonald (he called him incompetent and suggested he stopped counting his mistakes in the game at 98, I think he also implied he had favoured the opposition because of who they were). He was fined for it, appealed and the fine was doubled, he refused to pay and this rumbled on with refusal, doubling and so on. Incidentally the rules made no provision for doubling a fine in such a way so he ended up only being fined the original amount. Anyway whilst this was going on there was a game in which Dundee Utd were away, in the 1st 5 minutes a ball went out for a throw in for them, the (unnamed) referee awarded it to the opposition, Levein complained and the ref came over, lectured him and before walking away told him quietly 'you are getting **** all from me today'.

Refs are human and on the park many give the impression of being petty and officious as well. The comments by McGinn post the LC final won't have been forgotten and I'm certain that consciously or subconsciously that is impacting how decisions concerning us are made. Not sending off the player on Saturday may well be excusable as a mistake, the reaction to JDH afterwards suggests it goes deeper.

What was the reaction to JDH? From the ref? Think I missed it.

[Green Badger]

What was the reaction to JDH? From the ref? Think I missed it.

See post #64 above.

[WeeRussell]

See post #64 above.

Oh aye - forgot I did see that the other day.

Not seen it myself, but might just be that he knows fine well what he’s wanting and it’s his way of saying “don’t bother”.

Not that that makes it okay obviously.