Pat Bonner / BBC

[Carheenlea]

Checking in on the Sportsound podcast from yesterday games to listen to the analysis of the match, and of course Pat Bonner was covering the game, as he does for every single Celtic game covered by BBC Scotland.

For a supposed independent and impartial national broadcaster, why do they think it’s acceptable to pay Pat Bonner to cover what only appears to be Celtic fixtures and is in effect a paid Celtic cheerleader at licence fee payers expense. Do you ever hear him covering Hearts v St Mirren? Ross County v Rangers? Hibs v Aberdeen? (Obviously not, Willie Miller does those ones) etc.

The show was garbage anyway.

[Jim44]

Checking in on the Sportsound podcast from yesterday games to listen to the analysis of the match, and of course Pat Bonner was covering the game, as he does for every single Celtic game covered by BBC Scotland.

For a supposed independent and impartial national broadcaster, why do they think it’s acceptable to pay Pat Bonner to cover what only appears to be Celtic fixtures and is in effect a paid Celtic cheerleader at licence fee payers expense. Do you ever hear him covering Hearts v St Mirren? Ross County v Rangers? Hibs v Aberdeen? (Obviously not, Willie Miller does those ones) etc.

The show was garbage anyway.

Miller also, almost exclusively does Aberdeen games.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Miller also, almost exclusively does Aberdeen games.

And is terrible at his job. He might have a face for radio, but he doesn't have a voice for it. I fall asleep listening to Miller.

[hibsbollah]

And is terrible at his job. He might have a face for radio, but he doesn't have a voice for it. I fall asleep listening to Miller.

When I came back to Scotland I had no idea who he was when I first heard him on the radio, I grew up watching him play at a very high level but he seems to be unable to pass on any of that knowledge to the listeners.

[Hermit Crab]

BBC will eventually go the same way Sky did with soccer Saturday. Get rid of the dinosaurs and replace them with younger roasters who still don't have a clue. Clinton Morrison, Neil Mellor ffs. Hopeless.

[Alfred E Newman]

Miller also, almost exclusively does Aberdeen games.

And Jambo McLaughlin does the Hearts games.

[Waxy]

BBC will eventually go the same way Sky did with soccer Saturday. Get rid of the dinosaurs and replace them with younger roasters who still don't have a clue. Clinton Morrison, Neil Mellor ffs. Hopeless.

It’s all still slightly better than Charlie Nicholas screaming goal as loud as he can every week.

[FastEddieFelson]

BBC will eventually go the same way Sky did with soccer Saturday. Get rid of the dinosaurs and replace them with younger roasters who still don't have a clue. Clinton Morrison, Neil Mellor ffs. Hopeless.

kris boyd...

[Hermit Crab]

kris boyd...

That **** as well.

[007]

Pat Bonnor and Willie Miller don't have a clue about any other teams because they probably don't watch any other Scottish football outside of the Celtic / Aberdeen matches they report on so they only see the other teams 3 or 4 times a season. Hence why they spend 95% of their time talking about their own team and the 5% on the other team is just regurgitating the pish they've picked up from hearing Richard Gordon spouting each week.

I'd much rather it was someone like Craig Fowler (even if he is Jambo) from A View From The Terrace who clearly loves watching football of all levels and knows his stuff.

[Danderhall Hibs]

When I came back to Scotland I had no idea who he was when I first heard him on the radio, I grew up watching him play at a very high level but he seems to be unable to pass on any of that knowledge to the listeners.

It was a different game back then - leg breakers were legal as was a passback. Madness that they get the gig - barely literate and not up to date.

[bawheid]

Pat Bonner being paid to be a Celtic fan is just one of the many, many reasons I don’t listen to Sportsound any more.

There’s enough Hibs content across various social media and podcasts that I really have no interest in listening to what Richard Gordon and Willie Miller think about Hibs.

[Crunchie]

Checking in on the Sportsound podcast from yesterday games to listen to the analysis of the match, and of course Pat Bonner was covering the game, as he does for every single Celtic game covered by BBC Scotland.

For a supposed independent and impartial national broadcaster, why do they think it’s acceptable to pay Pat Bonner to cover what only appears to be Celtic fixtures and is in effect a paid Celtic cheerleader at licence fee payers expense. Do you ever hear him covering Hearts v St Mirren? Ross County v Rangers? Hibs v Aberdeen? (Obviously not, Willie Miller does those ones) etc.

The show was garbage anyway.
It's embarrassing and you're spot on, he covers every single game of theirs bar none.

[heretoday]

The likes of Willie Miller want pensioned off.
Radio Scotland needs a whole clear out of commentators and analysts.
They could start with Richard Smiley Gordon.

[jacomo]

BBC will eventually go the same way Sky did with soccer Saturday. Get rid of the dinosaurs and replace them with younger roasters who still don't have a clue. Clinton Morrison, Neil Mellor ffs. Hopeless.


Micah Richards. Apart from laughing his head off every minute, what does he offer?

[Since452]

The likes of Willie Miller want pensioned off.
Radio Scotland needs a whole clear out of commentators and analysts.
They could start with Richard Smiley Gordon.

Miller, Gordon, Preston, Ferguson could all go. It's got so bad i rarely listen to the radio coverage anymore unless i happen to be in the car. It used to be absolutley brilliant. I used to call the radio coverage Scotland's hidden gem with Off The Ball, David Begg, Bob Crampsey etc. Superb listen back then. It's run it's course now, even Off The Ball is getting a bit tiresome.

[Hermit Crab]

Kamara leaving soccer Saturday now too.

[matty_f]

I used to listen to Sportsound daily, either on the night or the following morning on their podcast, but it got progressively worse and now, when i do listen, I’m usually straight on to a mate to moan about/ridicule what they’re saying.

Yesterday, as they talked us down for our lack firepower (probably justifiably so) they spent the next few minutes talking up Ross County as being more credible challengers for fourth than us. Ross County, who we beat 2-0 just a week earlier.

Bonnar/Miller/Ferguson are hopelessly out of touch. They get involved in subjects that they know nothing about - hearing them trying to navigate the covid situation and the League finishing early was actually painful, and they continue to repeat stuff as fact that’s demonstrably wrong.

As bawheid mentioned, there’s more than enough excellent fan-made content (and a rubbish one! :greengrin ) to almost render the BBC’s content redundant.

It needs a big shake up, presenters like Kenny McIntyre, with his “I’ll ask three or four questions at once, with significantly more aggression in my voice than necessary “ approach, Brian Mclaughlan with his banal, Hearts-minded questions etc offer nothing.

Even basics like asking their guests/interviewees an open question is beyond them half the time.

[Carheenlea]

It's embarrassing and you're spot on, he covers every single game of theirs bar none.

Plus (all expenses paid no doubt) trips to pretty much all their European away fixtures.

It’s an extraordinary arrangement he has with the BBC.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

kris boyd...


To be fair, he is a good host on The Great Pottery throw down.

[hibsbollah]

It was a different game back then - leg breakers were legal as was a passback. Madness that they get the gig - barely literate and not up to date.

I think you’re right with that, but also he’s just not very bright. Same with Bonner. I hate saying it about someone but he just never has anything interesting to say. This is a man who’s been to World Cup latter stages with Ireland. You’d think he’s have some insight. He doesn’t even seem to have a good grasp of goalkeeping, weirdly.

[hibby rae]

Pat Bonnor and Willie Miller don't have a clue about any other teams because they probably don't watch any other Scottish football outside of the Celtic / Aberdeen matches they report on so they only see the other teams 3 or 4 times a season. Hence why they spend 95% of their time talking about their own team and the 5% on the other team is just regurgitating the pish they've picked up from hearing Richard Gordon spouting each week.

I'd much rather it was someone like Craig Fowler (even if he is Jambo) from A View From The Terrace who clearly loves watching football of all levels and knows his stuff.

That's why I listen to the Terrace podcast twice a week but don't bother with the (mostly) old boys club on Sportsound.

All intelligent, articulate individuals, who follow clubs out with the Old Firm, and do it for the love of Scottish football. The Mon/Tues pod is usually about the Prem and the Thurs/Fri one covers the lower leagues.

[Cod Boy]

Kamara leaving soccer Saturday now too.

Unbelievable

[Alfred E Newman]

Unbelievable

It's all kicking off here Jeff.

[ekhibee]

BBC will eventually go the same way Sky did with soccer Saturday. Get rid of the dinosaurs and replace them with younger roasters who still don't have a clue. Clinton Morrison, Neil Mellor ffs. Hopeless.

They've already got Owelumo and Foster, they're both pretty young, clueless and babble a load of *****, that'll do for starters.

[Carheenlea]

When I came back to Scotland I had no idea who he was when I first heard him on the radio, I grew up watching him play at a very high level but he seems to be unable to pass on any of that knowledge to the listeners.

If Willie Miller was forbidden the use of these three words/phrases - “Opportunities”, “Disappointed” and “Final third”, he quite simply wouldn’t be able to broadcast.

[Carheenlea]

Miller, Gordon, Preston, Ferguson could all go. It's got so bad i rarely listen to the radio coverage anymore unless i happen to be in the car. It used to be absolutley brilliant. I used to call the radio coverage Scotland's hidden gem with Off The Ball, David Begg, Bob Crampsey etc. Superb listen back then. It's run it's course now, even Off The Ball is getting a bit tiresome.

Off the Ball has fell into the BBC trap of both presenters talking about their favourite clubs too much. They’re maybe not aware they’re doing it but there never used to be as many mentions of irrelevant to current Scottish footballing affairs of Motherwell and St Johnstone.

The format of the show has t changed for pretty much 20 years, and while it’s argued if it isn’t broke don’t fix it, it is now starting to feel tired. Cowan’s jokes becoming lamer - Cosgrove’s soul anecdotes becoming duller, the same pool of guests. Still listen to it going to games but becoming more background noise than essential matchday listening.

[Salisbury Hibby]

You know, as a Scot living in England - I love Saturday Afternoon on Radio Scotland. Maybe I'm homesick.

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[Mike Berry]

To be fair, he is a good host on The Great Pottery throw down.[emoji106][emoji23]

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[Turkish Green]

For a supposed independent and impartial national broadcaster...

The BBC has never been impartial when it comes to Scotland, in general or Scottish football.

[hhibs]

The BBC has never been impartial when it comes to Scotland, in general or Scottish football.

:top marks

[Kato]

If Willie Miller was forbidden the use of these three words/phrases - “Opportunities”, “Disappointed” and “Final third”, he quite simply wouldn’t be able to broadcast.I bet he uses those phrases when he's sitting on the lavvy pan.

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[hibsbollah]

I bet he uses those phrases when he's sitting on the lavvy pan.

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Going off in a tangent here, im listening to five live in the car and that Micah Richards and his stupid ****ing laugh is actually giving me the rage. But can you imagine a least likely pundit friendship than Willie Miller and Richards? They are like mirror images on the dour/excitable scale. Imagine going for a pint with them. There would be some kind of violent incident.

[HoboHarry]

I bet he uses those phrases when he's sitting on the lavvy pan.

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[mjhibby]

I think you’re right with that, but also he’s just not very bright. Same with Bonner. I hate saying it about someone but he just never has anything interesting to say. This is a man who’s been to World Cup latter stages with Ireland. You’d think he’s have some insight. He doesn’t even seem to have a good grasp of goalkeeping, weirdly.

My thoughts too. They make games sound dull even when they aren't. I used to love listening to it years ago but since Richard Gordon took over has rapidly gone downhill and now I wouldn't think of putting it on.Sad times.

[Baader]

The Bonner stuff is embarrassing. Cannot, it seems, see or even speak about any other side that is not Celtic. As someone else said he is paid by a public broadcaster to follow his club. 🙄

[bigwheel]

The Bonner stuff is embarrassing. Cannot, it seems, see or even speak about any other side that is not Celtic. As someone else said he is paid by a public broadcaster to follow his club. [emoji849]

True that - it’s aided by the BBC consistently giving him Celtic games to cover ..if he was a roving reporter he would have to talk about other games and teams …

[Mike Berry]

True that - it’s aided by the BBC consistently giving him Celtic games to cover ..if he was a roving reporter he would have to talk about other games and teams …He's actually awful, full stop. Half the time I'm struggling to figure out what he's on about.

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[bigwheel]

He's actually awful, full stop. Half the time I'm struggling to figure out what he's on about.

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Probably true too …they’ve had a long time journey of poor pundits ..Gordon smith was one I couldn’t stand to listen too ..sacrilege I suspect , but id add Craig Paterson into that mix too ..always seemed to agree with whatever anyone said ..

There’s some new ones emerging (Rory Loy I think is one ?? ). Id get more of them on …

[Mike Berry]

Probably true too …they’ve had a long time journey of poor pundits ..Gordon smith was one I couldn’t stand to listen too ..sacrilege I suspect , but id add Craig Paterson into that mix too ..always seemed to agree with whatever anyone said ..

There’s some new ones emerging (Rory Loy I think is one ?? ). Id get more of them on …I haven't listened to Rory Loy yet. Actually, I think Richard Foster is good, though I hated him as a player.

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[bigwheel]

I haven't listened to Rory Loy yet. Actually, I think Richard Foster is good, though I hated him as a player.

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Yes. He’s another that is decent …

[Stewboy]

The likes of Willie Miller want pensioned off.
Radio Scotland needs a whole clear out of commentators and analysts.
They could start with Richard Smiley Gordon.

Not sure, I’d keep him. Listening to Miller when Aberdeen lose one of life’s pleasures

[ancient hibee]

Probably true too …they’ve had a long time journey of poor pundits ..Gordon smith was one I couldn’t stand to listen too ..sacrilege I suspect , but id add Craig Paterson into that mix too ..always seemed to agree with whatever anyone said ..

There’s some new ones emerging (Rory Loy I think is one ?? ). Id get more of them on …

Sacrilege ??

[Since452]

Probably true too …they’ve had a long time journey of poor pundits ..Gordon smith was one I couldn’t stand to listen too ..sacrilege I suspect , but id add Craig Paterson into that mix too ..always seemed to agree with whatever anyone said ..

There’s some new ones emerging (Rory Loy I think is one ?? ). Id get more of them on …

I actually thought Gordon Smith was decent. Talked a bit of sense for a hun.

[bigwheel]

Sacrilege ??

The Craig Paterson bit

[bigwheel]

I actually thought Gordon Smith was decent. Talked a bit of sense for a hun.

He was a complete turn off for me ….different tastes :)

[Carheenlea]

He was a complete turn off for me ….different tastes :)

:agree: File him alongside Willie Miller in the Mogadon section. Just another bore.

[Northernhibee]

And is terrible at his job. He might have a face for radio, but he doesn't have a voice for it. I fall asleep listening to Miller.

When Lewie got his international cap, Miller spent the whole game whining how out of his depth he was. Almost certainly nothing to do with him getting a start over an ex Aberdeen left back :rolleyes:

And of course, Lewie was Mr. Consistent in that game as well.

[ancient hibee]

The Craig Paterson bit
Ah.

[The Baldmans Comb]

Rather than have more wailing and knashing of teeth about the "independent and impartial" BBC there are actually other more practical ways to hit back.🤔😉

There is absoluteky nothing they can do about it and with World Cup 2022 and full patriotic mode on the horizon it might better to do it sooner rather than later.✅

[worcesterhibby]

To be fair there does seem to be a general shortage of articulate, intelligent British footballers. Other than Pat Nevin, Marvin Bartley and occasionally Michael Stewart..who else is there ? Chris Sutton is coherent and intelligent, but loves to troll too much. I have no idea who I would employ. I’m genuinely interested to hear other suggestions.

[PolmontHibby]

If Willie Miller was forbidden the use of these three words/phrases - “Opportunities”, “Disappointed” and “Final third”, he quite simply wouldn’t be able to broadcast.

Based on the complete lack of knowledge Willie Miller seems to have about what is going on in Scottish football, (or as COVID showed just information in general) they must stick him in a cupboard when Sportsound not on.

[Alfred E Newman]

Rather than have more wailing and knashing of teeth about the "independent and impartial" BBC there are actually other more practical ways to hit back.🤔😉

There is absoluteky nothing they can do about it and with World Cup 2022 and full patriotic mode on the horizon it might better to do it sooner rather than later.✅

:confused:

[PolmontHibby]

That's why I listen to the Terrace podcast twice a week but don't bother with the (mostly) old boys club on Sportsound.

All intelligent, articulate individuals, who follow clubs out with the Old Firm, and do it for the love of Scottish football. The Mon/Tues pod is usually about the Prem and the Thurs/Fri one covers the lower leagues.

I found the TV version of Terrace unwatchable, but off the back of this and some other comments about podcast gave a few episodes a go today - will keep with it as found the radio version (which I assume is where it all started) pretty good.

[hibby rae]

I found the TV version of Terrace unwatchable, but off the back of this and some other comments about podcast gave a few episodes a go today - will keep with it as found the radio version (which I assume is where it all started) pretty good.

Tbh I'd recommend the fiver a month for the patreon as well. They do review individual clubs in more detail, episodes about classic Scottish football matches, match previews, and a series on England getting knocked out of tournaments. I find it's worth it for the amount of content they produce as it's good to have on whilst working.

[hibstag]

Off the Ball has fell into the BBC trap of both presenters talking about their favourite clubs too much. They’re maybe not aware they’re doing it but there never used to be as many mentions of irrelevant to current Scottish footballing affairs of Motherwell and St Johnstone.

The format of the show has t changed for pretty much 20 years, and while it’s argued if it isn’t broke don’t fix it, it is now starting to feel tired. Cowan’s jokes becoming lamer - Cosgrove’s soul anecdotes becoming duller, the same pool of guests. Still listen to it going to games but becoming more background noise than essential matchday listening.

Yep at one point it was pulling in non football punters due to its social history and working class scottish culture references such as Glen michaels cartoon cavalcade, trade holiday staples etc... Seen to be a rehash and a bit tired now. I still listen but feel like I have heard it all before.

[lord bunberry]

To be fair there does seem to be a general shortage of articulate, intelligent British footballers. Other than Pat Nevin, Marvin Bartley and occasionally Michael Stewart..who else is there ? Chris Sutton is coherent and intelligent, but loves to troll too much. I have no idea who I would employ. I’m genuinely interested to hear other suggestions.

I think you try different people out and see how it goes. I used to always put sportsound on in the car on the way home from an away game but I don’t even bother now. It’s a terrible show which is a shame as it used to be really good.


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[hibsbollah]

BS Bingo tonight on sportsound. I will be listening, despite my constant moaning about it. I predict someone will say 'Shaun Maloney does not have his troubles to seek this evening', before starting on the injury list. Whoever is there will sound cold and if they really really hate Scottish football.

Any other predictions?