"My three year old knew it was a penalty"

[theonlywayisup]

Apologies for another VAR thread, but yesterday was another example of why VAR won't work in Scotland or at least won't work for the non-Old Firm teams.

Frank Lampard: My three-year-old knows Everton should have had a penalty - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60542012)

Can you imagine the VAR referee, in this case Chris Kavanagh, having to review an incident knowing that if he gave the decision against Celtic or The Rangers that he will be getting idiots gathering outside his house, social media threats of naughty things or even worse physical assault? Imagine, if that was Celtic against Hibs and we were denied a late 'penalty' because the VAR referee decision-making was influenced by the negative reaction. I understand that an on-the-pitch referee has a split second to make a decision and will get many wrong, but not a VAR referee.

The reason given for the not awarding the penalty was "Chris Kavanagh felt there was not conclusive evidence that the ball was more in the 'red zone' - the area below the sleeve line - than not, and that was it was not an obvious error." Quote by the BBC, not necessary from the VAR referee. 99 times out of 100, a free kick would have been awarded in this incident. Even former City defender Micah Richards, a Sky pundit, said: "The player's face says it all, it is handball. It is below the T-shirt line. It is just ridiculous."

Can you imagine the above playing out in the Celtic / The Rangers title charge?

[Nicho87]

I agree

I actually think introducing VAR would just fuel the fire that both sets of the uglies would enrage the conspiracy theories. Brother Beaton etc it’s all Bull, truth is the refs aren’t very good for any team.

The only thing i want introduced in scotland is goal line technology.

A goal is a goal.

Forget the rest, that’s why we love the game, the controversy

[davhibby]

The money should be spent on full time referees, not VAR

[Sioux]

Apologies for another VAR thread, but yesterday was another example of why VAR won't work in Scotland or at least won't work for the non-Old Firm teams.

Frank Lampard: My three-year-old knows Everton should have had a penalty - BBC Sport (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60542012)

Can you imagine the VAR referee, in this case Chris Kavanagh, having to review an incident knowing that if he gave the decision against Celtic or The Rangers that he will be getting idiots gathering outside his house, social media threats of naughty things or even worse physical assault? Imagine, if that was Celtic against Hibs and we were denied a late 'penalty' because the VAR referee decision-making was influenced by the negative reaction. I understand that an on-the-pitch referee has a split second to make a decision and will get many wrong, but not a VAR referee.

The reason given for the not awarding the penalty was "Chris Kavanagh felt there was not conclusive evidence that the ball was more in the 'red zone' - the area below the sleeve line - than not, and that was it was not an obvious error." Quote by the BBC, not necessary from the VAR referee. 99 times out of 100, a free kick would have been awarded in this incident. Even former City defender Micah Richards, a Sky pundit, said: "The player's face says it all, it is handball. It is below the T-shirt line. It is just ridiculous."

Can you imagine the above playing out in the Celtic / The Rangers title charge?

How come referees are not subject to such abuse now?

Rangers think the refs are all on the side of Celtic, and vice versa. A VAR official won't make any difference to their current way of thinking.

[Hibbyradge]

The referee didn't give the penalty in real time.

[Argylehibby]

The money should be spent on full time referees, not VAR

So they get paid more for giving dodgy decisions in favour of the old firm?

[Since452]

Just saw it. That was poor. If it wasn't for Hibs don't think I'd have any interest in football. Mental wages, players acting like twats, daft VAR decisions etc. Definitely rapidly losing interest.

[Dr What If?]

The money should be spent on full time referees, not VAR

I want both but agree that full time professional refs are a priority where money is finite. We could opt for a VAR light (goal line tech), that would be the better compromise.

An incident like yesterdays though, if given in favour of the OF would highlight bias far more clearly that current BBC analysis of games ever could. Frankly I think the net effect would be better for non OF teams as dodgy 'it happened so quick' incidents would be harder to hide from....though it doesn't remove the 'was it clear' get out of jail card refs will still have.

[Hibernia&Alba]

There is no point having VAR, if can't give something as blatant as the Everton incident yesterday. You couldn't get more 'clear and obvious' than that. It's more proof that technology is only as good as the people operating it.

In relation to Scotland, yes, of course it would benefit the Old Firm, just like everything else. They would get even more penalties and opposition cards than they do now.

[MWHIBBIES]

Nothing to do with VAR, just those who operate it. There is no way to remove stupid human beings making stupid decisons so no system will be perfect. VAR is much better than anything else.

[bigwheel]

The money should be spent on full time referees, not VAR

I’ve never quite got how full time would make them any better ….

[MWHIBBIES]

I’ve never quite got how full time would make them any better ….

Tbh, most people would be better at something if they could focus on it and didn't have to do something else 40 hours a week.

[easty]

Tbh, most people would be better at something if they could focus on it and didn't have to do something else 40 hours a week.

They get enough from refereeing that they don’t need a full time job on the go too.

[Carheenlea]

There is no point having VAR, if can't give something as blatant as the Everton incident yesterday. You couldn't get more 'clear and obvious' than that. It's more proof that technology is only as good as the people operating it.

In relation to Scotland, yes, of course it would benefit the Old Firm, just like everything else. They would get even more penalties and opposition cards than they do now.

And that’s why we can never have VAR in Scotland. We simply couldn’t be trusted with it. As you say, even more decisions going the Old Firm way and less for the rest of us against them.

[Hibbyradge]

And that’s why we can never have VAR in Scotland. We simply couldn’t be trusted with it. As you say, even more decisions going the Old Firm way and less for the rest of us against them.

Scots can't be trusted to make technology work, Carnlea?

We will have VAR in Scotland and it will improve decisions. Will there still be controversies, of course, but it'll help on many more occasions than it will hurt.

[wookie70]

I don't think VAR will improve my decisions it will just make it even more obvious the bias towards the uglies

[MWHIBBIES]

I don't think VAR will improve my decisions it will just make it even more obvious the bias towards the uglies

And what about the 30 games a season we play against everyone else?

[WeeRussell]

And what about the 30 games a season we play against everyone else?

They’ll be ruined by folk writing lines on screens for two minutes any time there’s a hint of excitement too.

[where'stheslope]

The big thing with VAR is that everyone will see the cheating being done and who for!
Just now its all conspiracy theory's!!!

[Carheenlea]

Scots can't be trusted to make technology work, Carnlea?

We will have VAR in Scotland and it will improve decisions. Will there still be controversies, of course, but it'll help on many more occasions than it will hurt.

No. I’m sure you understand why many have doubts as to why that would be.

[theonlywayisup]

Maybe not unexpected but that's Everton receiving an apology over Man City handball.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60572525

Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) boss Riley called both Lampard and Everton chairman Bill Kenwright on Monday to apologise for the incident, which could prove costly to the club's bid to stay in the Premier League. The VAR referee who got it wrong, Kavanagh, will be the referee for Everton's next match.

The above, if it happened in Scotland, would lead to all sort of things if one side of the Old Firm was negatively affected by the decision.

[GreenCastle]

Scotland 100% needs goal line technology in top league.

With VAR they could improve it by..

1 - showing replays to fans in stadiums where possible
2 - refs having microphones and explaining decisions

Now this won’t be perfect but it will be an improvements on the mysterious decisions we are seeing every few weeks.

In the Everton game - ref says “ sorry don’t see the handball because isn’t his arm” ..Well then that’s incompetence and that referee is demoted / given more training.

[theonlywayisup]

Scotland 100% needs goal line technology in top league.

With VAR they could improve it by..

1 - showing replays to fans in stadiums where possible
2 - refs having microphones and explaining decisions

Now this won’t be perfect but it will be an improvements on the mysterious decisions we are seeing every few weeks.

In the Everton game - sorry don’t see the handball. Well then that’s incompetence and that referee is demoted / given more training.

They've given him Everton's next game.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Scotland 100% needs goal line technology in top league.

With VAR they could improve it by..

1 - showing replays to fans in stadiums where possible
2 - refs having microphones and explaining decisions

Now this won’t be perfect but it will be an improvements on the mysterious decisions we are seeing every few weeks.

In the Everton game - sorry don’t see the handball. Well then that’s incompetence and that referee is demoted / given more training.

Rugby have got it spot on. Just lift tjere methods.

[GreenCastle]

Rugby have got it spot on. Just lift tjere methods.

Some rugby folk moan about it but I would argue football is an earlier game to referee.

These handball decisions need to be communicated and even if it’s controversial least if 3 out of 4 of the refs agree it makes it a little easier to take.

[Callum_62]

The VAR referee who got it wrong, Kavanagh, will be the referee for Everton's next match.

Hahaha, bloody brilliant decision that is

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[PatHead]

The VAR referee who got it wrong, Kavanagh, will be the referee for Everton's next match.

Hahaha, bloody brilliant decision that is

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No pressure,eh!

[WeeRussell]

Rugby have got it spot on. Just lift tjere methods.

Works well in a number of other sports (Rugby, Tennis, American Football) but it's not as easy as just lifting methods.

Main difference is football is a far more fluid game whereas all of the above already had more stoppages (or pauses) in the game prior to VAR. It's the unnatural stopping and delaying play resuming in football that is one of, if not the most, frustrating things about watching football with VAR now.

Personally I like goal-line technology but hate VAR in football. One doesn't kill the flow of the game or cancel-out the enjoyment of scoring a goal 3 minutes after the ball is in the net.

[lyonhibs]

I agree

I actually think introducing VAR would just fuel the fire that both sets of the uglies would enrage the conspiracy theories. Brother Beaton etc it’s all Bull, truth is the refs aren’t very good for any team.

The only thing i want introduced in scotland is goal line technology.

A goal is a goal.

Forget the rest, that’s why we love the game, the controversy

Nail on the proverbial head. A "VAR lite" that looked ONLY at minging tackles that went un/under punished would also be acceptable.

[Hibbyradge]

Works well in a number of other sports (Rugby, Tennis, American Football) but it's not as easy as just lifting methods.

Main difference is football is a far more fluid game whereas all of the above already had more stoppages (or pauses) in the game prior to VAR. It's the unnatural stopping and delaying play resuming in football that is one of, if not the most, frustrating things about watching football with VAR now.

Personally I like goal-line technology but hate VAR in football. One doesn't kill the flow of the game or cancel-out the enjoyment of scoring a goal 3 minutes after the ball is in the net.

Even if those goals should have been disallowed.

[WeeRussell]

Even if those goals should have been disallowed.

Correct :greengrin

And it happens with VAR still (albeit at a lesser rate).