Let's put this relegation talk to bed (Part 2)

[theonlywayisup]

I recall way back in 2014, someone posting a thread with a title like "Let's put this relegation talk to bed" after it looked like we were in a pretty safe position. Not 100% certain of the posters name, but I think he still posts a lot on here. :wink:

Well, back in 2014 on the 6th of January 2014, we were 5th on 28 points having played 21 games, 11 points above the play-off position (Ross County) and 15 points above the bottom team, ignoring their points deduction. We had just had a slight improvement in results, which gave our manager (and many fans) at the time some confidence that we were on the way up rather than down. Furthermore, there we were the usual suspects that were struggling for points such as Partick (18), St Mirren (20), Killie (21) and St. Johnstone (25). This season on the 6th of January 2022, we were 5th on 29 points, 13 points above the play-off position, 15 points above the team at the bottom. We had the usual suspects Ross County, Livingston and St. Mirren below us, in addition to Aberdeen and Dundee United.

Back in 2014 on the 10th of February, we had dropped to 7th still on 28 points from 24 games, 6 points above the play-off position (Partick). Today, we are in 7th position now on 31 points from 26 games, 10 points above the play-off position and 12 points above bottom spot. So in terms of gap from the bottom, we are in a better position albeit both teams at the bottom have a game in hand. Again, we have the usual suspects below us, those teams that fight this battle every season.

In 2014, we had better players compared to those in teams around us at the time but they rarely showed in on the pitch. We had a manager who seemed incapable of communicating his ideas to his players. We all know how that season unfortunately ended, with Hibs struggling to pick up wins and the other usual suspects grabbing wins, often against us.

The above is FACT, well at least the points totals and the positions. What follows is pure opinion. Without wanting to state the obvious, we seriously need to get a few wins so that we can start to look up the table, we are after all only two points off 4th place. We are still in the fight for the Europeans places.

Over to you Shaun and the players - let's put this relegation talk to bed.

[Daily Hibs]

Very worrying the current run we are on and the correlation with the Butcher season. I don't fancy this team in a relegation battle relying on Nisbet goals.

Maloney needs a win on Sunday first to ease the pressure building from the fans.

[Coco Bryce]

Teams below us are playing for their lives. We just aren't.

This could get very messy.

[SlickShoes]

I thought about the parallels too, but I don't agree that we had better players in 2014, that team was a mess. Look at this lineup from March 2014:

GK: Murdoch
Defense: Forster, McGivern, Boateng, Nelson
Midfield: Taiwo, Haynes, Thomson, Stanton, Craig
Attack: Heffernan.

[Waxy]

I thought about the parallels too, but I don't agree that we had better players in 2014, that team was a mess. Look at this lineup from March 2014:

GK: Murdoch
Defense: Forster, McGivern, Boateng, Nelson
Midfield: Taiwo, Haynes, Thomson, Stanton, Craig
Attack: Heffernan.That team gives me the boak

[Jones28]

No danger we had better players in 2014. This team ****s all over that team.

[Sergio sledge]

I recall way back in 2014, someone posting a thread with a title like "Let's put this relegation talk to bed" after it looked like we were in a pretty safe position. Not 100% certain of the posters name, but I think he still posts a lot on here. :wink:

Well, back in 2014 on the 6th of January 2014, we were 5th on 28 points having played 21 games, 11 points above the play-off position (Ross County) and 15 points above the bottom team, ignoring their points deduction. We had just had a slight improvement in results, which gave our manager (and many fans) at the time some confidence that we were on the way up rather than down. Furthermore, there we were the usual suspects that were struggling for points such as Partick (18), St Mirren (20), Killie (21) and St. Johnstone (25). This season on the 6th of January 2022, we were 5th on 29 points, 13 points above the play-off position, 15 points above the team at the bottom. We had the usual suspects Ross County, Livingston and St. Mirren below us, in addition to Aberdeen and Dundee United.

Back in 2014 on the 10th of February, we had dropped to 7th still on 28 points from 24 games, 6 points above the play-off position (Partick). Today, we are in 7th position now on 31 points from 26 games, 10 points above the play-off position and 12 points above bottom spot. So in terms of gap from the bottom, we are in a better position albeit both teams at the bottom have a game in hand. Again, we have the usual suspects below us, those teams that fight this battle every season.

In 2014, we had better players but they rarely showed in on the pitch. We had a manager who seemed incapable of communicating his ideas to his players. We all know how that season unfortunately ended, with Hibs struggling to pick up wins and the other usual suspects grabbing wins, often against us.

The above is FACT, well at least the points totals and the positions. What follows is pure opinion. Without wanting to state the obvious, we seriously need to get a few wins so that we can start to look up the table, we are after all only two points off 4th place. We are still in the fight for the Europeans places.

Over to you Shaun and the players - let's put this relegation talk to bed.

Just to reinforce the alarming parallels, after 26 games that season we had 32 points and were in 7th place, level on points with the 6th place side. We were 8 points above the playoff place and 11 above the bottom side (if you ignore Hearts points deduction for the sake of argument). We only picked up 3 more points all season. This season we have 31 points after 26 games and as you say are 10 clear of the playoff and 12 clear of bottom.

We had scored 24 goals in 26 games conceding 29. This season we have scored 26 and conceded 30.

Strangely despite all that I have a bit more confidence in this squad than I did in that one, I think we have much better players now, although it is getting worrying.

On the flip side, in that 2014 season our last 7 games before the split saw us play 5 teams above us and against Hearts (who despite being bottom would always raise their game against us). This time round, we only play 3 teams above us, and one of those is Hearts who we can hopefully raise our game for. We still have to play all of the bottom 4 before the split so as you say it is over to the players to put this to bed.

[Pretty Boy]

I don't think we will be relegated but our next 5 games will confirm whether that faith is misplaced.

It's ****ing ludicrous it is even being discussed as a possibility, with our budget we should have top 6 all but secured by now. Ending up in the bottom 6 would be a failing on every level. Going into the last 5 games with any real threat of relegation even being considered should see heads roll.

[Since452]

I never thought we'd be in a position like this again. It's like history repeating itself. "just need that one win, just need that one goal, it'll come" etc, etc, etc. Just get wired in Hibs ffs. Maybe i'm being overly dramatic in my posts over the last few weeks but the slump to relegation under Butcher is still very much burned in my mind. I don't want to go through that ***** again. Right now i think Ross County will beat us at Easter Road. Then we've got Celtic. How much closer to the bottom will we be then? Just start winning ffs.

[MWHIBBIES]

Better players in 2014 :faf:

Come on, behave. Not even close. Current squad is miles better.

[Hermit Crab]

I recall way back in 2014, someone posting a thread with a title like "Let's put this relegation talk to bed" after it looked like we were in a pretty safe position. Not 100% certain of the posters name, but I think he still posts a lot on here. :wink:

Well, back in 2014 on the 6th of January 2014, we were 5th on 28 points having played 21 games, 11 points above the play-off position (Ross County) and 15 points above the bottom team, ignoring their points deduction. We had just had a slight improvement in results, which gave our manager (and many fans) at the time some confidence that we were on the way up rather than down. Furthermore, there we were the usual suspects that were struggling for points such as Partick (18), St Mirren (20), Killie (21) and St. Johnstone (25). This season on the 6th of January 2022, we were 5th on 29 points, 13 points above the play-off position, 15 points above the team at the bottom. We had the usual suspects Ross County, Livingston and St. Mirren below us, in addition to Aberdeen and Dundee United.

Back in 2014 on the 10th of February, we had dropped to 7th still on 28 points from 24 games, 6 points above the play-off position (Partick). Today, we are in 7th position now on 31 points from 26 games, 10 points above the play-off position and 12 points above bottom spot. So in terms of gap from the bottom, we are in a better position albeit both teams at the bottom have a game in hand. Again, we have the usual suspects below us, those teams that fight this battle every season.

In 2014, we had better players but they rarely showed in on the pitch. We had a manager who seemed incapable of communicating his ideas to his players. We all know how that season unfortunately ended, with Hibs struggling to pick up wins and the other usual suspects grabbing wins, often against us.

The above is FACT, well at least the points totals and the positions. What follows is pure opinion. Without wanting to state the obvious, we seriously need to get a few wins so that we can start to look up the table, we are after all only two points off 4th place. We are still in the fight for the Europeans places.

Over to you Shaun and the players - let's put this relegation talk to bed.



The bit in bold is complete rubbish.

[KWJ]

And Paul Hanlon was injured :worried:

[Craig_in_Prague]

Better players in 2014 :faf:

Come on, behave. Not even close. Current squad is miles better.

Well, they better start showing it, pronto.

[MWHIBBIES]

Well, they better start showing it, pronto.

They could lose every game and I still wouldn't think Michael Nelson was better than Porteous, or Danny Haynes better than Nisbet.

[G15 Hibs]

Better players in 2014 :faf:

Come on, behave. Not even close. Current squad is miles better.

The players we have just now are definitely of better quality in their own ways than the 2014 team. They are more competent in their own positions. However, there's none who seem to have much about them when it comes to doing something different and winning games. The quality in that team should be enough to beat Livingston and St Mirren, but it didn't look like that during those games. Whatever we had that way has been lost with Boyle going and seems to be frittering away in others where it might have been before. Going through last night's team, there's no-one inspiring there. Where's the spark to get things going again coming from?

It's a worry.

[Craig_in_Prague]

They could lose every game and I still wouldn't think Michael Nelson was better than Porteous, or Danny Haynes better than Nisbet.

Understand,
But if the current team is half as good as some think, then we should steer well clear of bottom places and have a top 6 finish at worse.
I can see it going either way to be honest.

We're in danger of being known as HibsNil soon.

[theonlywayisup]

Sorry, I meant better players compared to the teams around us at the time in 2014. The point being that at the time there was a perception that we were to good to be relegated.

Will now change.

[theonlywayisup]

Better players in 2014 :faf:

Come on, behave. Not even close. Current squad is miles better.

As noted, I meant compared to those in teams around as at the time. Not compared to today's team.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

We are at risk of relegation- as are all the teams below us, who will be thinking same way. I was one of the few (and was ridiculed for it) who feared the worst in 2014, I'm more optimistic this time, but we need to start picking up points ASAP.

[theonlywayisup]

I thought about the parallels too, but I don't agree that we had better players in 2014, that team was a mess. Look at this lineup from March 2014:

GK: Murdoch
Defense: Forster, McGivern, Boateng, Nelson
Midfield: Taiwo, Haynes, Thomson, Stanton, Craig
Attack: Heffernan.

As noted, I meant compared to teams around as at the time.

With hindsight, we rubbish that team, but I don't recall people saying our players were not good enough at the time back in 2014.

[Carheenlea]

How many points is it thought we would need to be safe?

Wasn’t really thinking we’re in any great danger right now, but the comparison to 2014 after a similar number of games is a bit alarming it has to be said.

[hibsbollah]

Since Boyler left, we've failed to score in 5 out of 6 games over the 90 minutes. The only one we've scored in was a 2-3 defeat to Livingston. If we find our scoring boots we're challenging for 4th, if we don't, we are in relegation trouble, its that simple. Nisbet getting a bit of luck? Melkerson coming into the side? Doidge getting his fitness back? Porteous contributing from set pieces? Im sure Maloney would take anything at the moment. Our general play is good enough, just need to take the chances.

[Pretty Boy]

How many points is it thought we would need to be safe?

Wasn’t really thinking we’re in any great danger right now, but the comparison to 2014 after a similar number of games is a bit alarming it has to be said.

I genuinely believe 6 or 7 from the 36 possible remaining would be more than enough.

We have taken 13 from the last 36, which whilst far from great means that on the face of it getting that kind of return looks fairly straightforward. 9 of those 13 came in a run of 3 games sandwiched between 2 horrific runs of 3 points from 21 and 2 points from 18 though. Another 3 game run like that one would be most welcome to ease the pressure and hopefully lighten the mood.

[theonlywayisup]

I genuinely believe 6 or 7 from the 36 possible remaining would be more than enough.

We have taken 13 from the last 36, which whilst far from great means that on the face of it getting that kind of return looks fairly straightforward. 9 of those 13 came in a run of 3 games sandwiched between 2 horrific runs of 3 points from 21 and 2 points from 18 though. Another 3 game run like that one would be most welcome to ease the pressure and hopefully lighten the mood.

We need to pick up points against the teams around us.

So far, we've picked up:

St Johnstone - 6 out of 6
Dundee - 4 out of 6
Ross County - 3 out of 6
Livingston - 3 out of 9
St Mirren - 2 out of 9
Aberdeen - 3 out of 6
Dundee United - 3 out of 6
Motherwell - 5 out of 9

Key games are Ross County, Dundee and St Johnstone in three out of our next four games

[SlickShoes]

As noted, I meant compared to teams around as at the time.

With hindsight, we rubbish that team, but I don't recall people saying our players were not good enough at the time back in 2014.

I honestly didn't expect it to be so bad when I googled it to have a look, it was even worse than I expected haha

[Real Emerald]

I genuinely believe 6 or 7 from the 36 possible remaining would be more than enough.

We have taken 13 from the last 36, which whilst far from great means that on the face of it getting that kind of return looks fairly straightforward. 9 of those 13 came in a run of 3 games sandwiched between 2 horrific runs of 3 points from 21 and 2 points from 18 though. Another 3 game run like that one would be most welcome to ease the pressure and hopefully lighten the mood.

Trouble is we’ve picked up only two point out of 15 since Boyle left and he’s not coming back anytime soon. Both of those points came in nil nil draws. We are toothless without him.

[Sergio sledge]

I genuinely believe 6 or 7 from the 36 possible remaining would be more than enough.

We have taken 13 from the last 36, which whilst far from great means that on the face of it getting that kind of return looks fairly straightforward. 9 of those 13 came in a run of 3 games sandwiched between 2 horrific runs of 3 points from 21 and 2 points from 18 though. Another 3 game run like that one would be most welcome to ease the pressure and hopefully lighten the mood.

37 Points would have been enough to finish 10th in 16 of the last 21 seasons (using PPG in 2019/2020 and including the 15 points Hearts were deducted in 2013/2014) since the split was introduced. In 2008/2009 37 Points would have put us on the same points as the bottom 2 and it would have come down to goal difference. The average number of points required to finish 10th in that time would be 36.333, so 37 points essentially.

In all likelyhood that would be enough, but knowing our luck it would be like 2012/2013 where second bottom got 41 points.

We play the bottom 3 teams before the split, got to believe if we win those games it takes away any danger. Interestingly we have a much easier run in to the split than any of the bottom 3 teams (based on PPG of their opponents home and away).

I genuinely believe we are doing OK (just OK) in most areas of the pitch, it is just scoring goals which is the issue. If Nisbet and/or Doidge could start scoring then that would take us over the line.

[Sir David Gray]

How many points is it thought we would need to be safe?

Wasn’t really thinking we’re in any great danger right now, but the comparison to 2014 after a similar number of games is a bit alarming it has to be said.

I think 36 points is historically enough to avoid 11th place.

So on that basis another two wins should be enough which I think we will manage.

I'm a bit less optimistic about the top six, 41 points after 33 games has been the average number of points required to get into the top 6 over the past six completed seasons so we've a bit of work to do to manage that now.

It's absolutely ridiculous that we're even having to discuss this but here we are.

[1620]

I think 36 points is historically enough to avoid 11th place.

So on that basis another two wins should be enough which I think we will manage.

I'm a bit less optimistic about the top six, 41 points after 33 games has been the average number of points required to get into the top 6 over the past six completed seasons so we've a bit of work to do to manage that now.

It's absolutely ridiculous that we're even having to discuss this but here we are.

I think we might have to rely on getting 6 no score draws to get another 6 points!
We have been discussing for at least the last 6 matches who might score for us and there is still no sign of anyone stepping forward. What makes anyone think that is about to magically change? We can only hope!

[JeMeSouviens]

I think we might have to rely on getting 6 no score draws to get another 6 points!
We have been discussing for at least the last 6 matches who might score for us and there is still no sign of anyone stepping forward. What makes anyone think that is about to magically change? We can only hope!

Doesn't seem like SM wants to play Doidge much and Nisbet, though working harder, seems nowhere near regaining his scoring touch. Pinning our hopes on a 19 year old Norg?

[worcesterhibby]

We are at risk of relegation- as are all the teams below us, who will be thinking same way. I was one of the few (and was ridiculed for it) who feared the worst in 2014, I'm more optimistic this time, but we need to start picking up points ASAP.

By that reckoning surely every team above us (except Hearts and the Infirm) are also at Risk since 4th is only 2 points above us.

WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE TOP 6 AT THE SPLIT

That should be Maloney's mantra right now

[He's here!]

I think 36 points is historically enough to avoid 11th place.

So on that basis another two wins should be enough which I think we will manage.

I'm a bit less optimistic about the top six, 41 points after 33 games has been the average number of points required to get into the top 6 over the past six completed seasons so we've a bit of work to do to manage that now.

It's absolutely ridiculous that we're even having to discuss this but here we are.


On current evidence I'm struggling to see where one win, let alone two are coming from. I think once (as seems likely) we find ourselves in the bottom six post-split we could really struggle. As the OP points out we seemed comfortably clear of danger at a similar stage of the season in 2014 yet contrived to slide into the Championship for three years.

With a rookie management team and a squad without any obvious strong leaders who are clearly struggling for confidence I am seriously questioning WHO we look likely to beat? Sure, apart from the top two it's probably fair to say the quality of the league is mediocre at best but when you hit a slide at this stage of the season it can be hard to reverse. We could sink or swim depending on Sunday's cup result I feel.

[MWHIBBIES]

On current evidence I'm struggling to see where one win, let alone two are coming from. I think once (as seems likely) we find ourselves in the bottom six post-split we could really struggle. As the OP points out we seemed comfortably clear of danger at a similar stage of the season in 2014 yet contrived to slide into the Championship for three years.

With a rookie management team and a squad without any obvious strong leaders who are clearly struggling for confidence I am seriously questioning WHO we look likely to beat? Sure, apart from the top two it's probably fair to say the quality of the league is mediocre at best but when you hit a slide at this stage of the season it can be hard to reverse. We could sink or swim depending on Sunday's cup result I feel.

You're struggling to see Hibs getting 2 wins from 12 games? Ross county is one win, St Johnstone at home is another. We'll be massive favourites for both those games.

[loanheadhibby]

You're struggling to see Hibs getting 2 wins from 12 games? Ross county is one win, St Johnstone at home is another. We'll be massive favourites for both those games.

Surely we were massive favourites for the Livingston and St Mirren games as well? That did not turn out too well for us.

In 2014, we were favourites to beat Killie at Easter road last game and got beat 1-0. That would have saved us from Play Off

[MWHIBBIES]

Surely we were massive favourites for the Livingston and St Mirren games as well? That did not turn out too well for us.

In 2014, we were favourites to beat Killie at Easter road last game and got beat 1-0. That would have saved us from Play Off

Right, are we really doing this? Are you just going to list all the times we were favourites and didn't win? And I'm going to list all the times were were favourites and did win?

Come on mate. Yes, we were massive favourites for those games. We lost. Does that mean we'll never win again?

[loanheadhibby]

Right, are we really doing this? Are you just going to list all the times we were favourites and didn't win? And I'm going to list all the times were were favourites and did win?

Come on mate. Yes, we were massive favourites for those games. We lost. Does that mean we'll never win again?

I was only offering a counter point of view in similar circumstances.

In the league, we can’t see we’re next goal is coming from never mind the next win.

[HAZ2000]

Sometimes I struggle to believe how quick our fans are to wet the bed. Anyone who seriously believes this team is in a relegation battle needs to take a deep breath.

[theonlywayisup]

Sometimes I struggle to believe how quick our fans are to wet the bed. Anyone who seriously believes this team is in a relegation battle needs to take a deep breath.

Wondered who would be the first. Lost times of the number of times people said this in 2014. We are not in a relegation battle yet, but the signs are not good. Our form pre and post the change of manager has been relegation form. If we beat, Ross County, Dundee and St. Johnstone in three of our next four matches, we can look back on this thread as a bit of a laugh. However, those three teams will see playing this current Hibs team as an opportunity to get a big win, in the same way that Livingston and St. Mirren did.

No bed-wetting! Just an honest assessment of where we are at right now.

[He's here!]

Sometimes I struggle to believe how quick our fans are to wet the bed. Anyone who seriously believes this team is in a relegation battle needs to take a deep breath.

As someone old enough to have seen this movie more than once with Hibs there's no bed-wetting, only justifiable concern.

The 'only 2 points off 4th' chat so quickly becomes 'only 2 points off top 6' etc until before you know it we're 'only' 2 points off 10th.

The 'we'll be nowhere near relegation' claims also make no sense. Based on current form we could quite coceivably end up very near relagation so I don't see what people are basing such optimistic claims on. I would ask again, based on current form who would we be confident that Hibs will beat?

[Pretty Boy]

As someone old enough to have seen this movie more than once with Hibs there's no bed-wetting, only justifiable concern.

The 'only 2 points off 4th' chat so quickly becomes 'only 2 points off top 6' etc until before you know it we're 'only' 2 points off 10th.

The 'we'll be nowhere near relegation' claims also make no sense. Based on current form we could quite coceivably end up very near relagation so I don't see what people are basing such optimistic claims on. I would ask again, based on current form who would we be confident that Hibs will beat?

I don't think we will be relegated. Largely because, as I just posted on another thread, everyone else in the league outwith the obvious 2 and with the exception of St Mirren is on a piss poor run of form themselves.

I don't think it's bedwetting to raise the issue though. Our form is so bad that if a couple of teams got their act together and we don't (and bear in mind there are teams below us with games in hand) then it's not inconceivable we could get dragged into a fight. In a league of teams in poor form we are sitting far from proudly right there among the very worst.

As I've said countless times today we just need a win, any win to banish this chat, ease the pressure, lift the mood and breed a bit of confidence.

[judas]

I thought about the parallels too, but I don't agree that we had better players in 2014, that team was a mess. Look at this lineup from March 2014:

GK: Murdoch
Defense: Forster, McGivern, Boateng, Nelson
Midfield: Taiwo, Haynes, Thomson, Stanton, Craig
Attack: Heffernan.

That team gives me the 5hits.

This team is most definitely not as bad as that one. Nothing like it.

[JimBHibees]

I was only offering a counter point of view in similar circumstances.

In the league, we can’t see we’re next goal is coming from never mind the next win.

We created enough in Livingston Hearts and St Mirren games to see we could score

[Sir David Gray]

As someone old enough to have seen this movie more than once with Hibs there's no bed-wetting, only justifiable concern.

The 'only 2 points off 4th' chat so quickly becomes 'only 2 points off top 6' etc until before you know it we're 'only' 2 points off 10th.

The 'we'll be nowhere near relegation' claims also make no sense. Based on current form we could quite coceivably end up very near relagation so I don't see what people are basing such optimistic claims on. I would ask again, based on current form who would we be confident that Hibs will beat?

I don't think it's inconceivable that we could get dragged into a relegation scrap, any side that's only managed to pick up 16 points over half a season should quite rightly be concerned.

However I do think we will be capable of picking up 2 wins from our last 12 matches which is very likely to see us have enough to stay up.

It's far from acceptable but I don't think we will be relegated as things stand.*

* I reserve the right to change my opinion if we fail to beat Ross County, St Johnstone or Dundee over the next few weeks!

[loanheadhibby]

We created enough in Livingston Hearts and St Mirren games to see we could score

Sadly tho, did not take any of the chances. It’s a bad habit to get in to.

[Ronniekirk]

I don't think we will be relegated but our next 5 games will confirm whether that faith is misplaced.

It's ****ing ludicrous it is even being discussed as a possibility, with our budget we should have top 6 all but secured by now. Ending up in the bottom 6 would be a failing on every level. Going into the last 5 games with any real threat of relegation even being considered should see heads roll.

I worry we are now in a rut and we can’t get our strongest 11 out on the park due to injuries ,and some new players needing integrated into team while not fully match fit
Add in they are coming into a team that is low on confidence , not scoring many and is chopping and changing game on game , Managed by a Rookie Manager learning as he goes along , and it is a concern we could continue to struggle and get dragged further down the league
At present other teams will want to play us feeling they will take something from the game
I hope for everyone’s sake this changes ,but am heading to Arbroath with a bit of trepidation


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[Since452]

Surely we were massive favourites for the Livingston and St Mirren games as well? That did not turn out too well for us.

In 2014, we were favourites to beat Killie at Easter road last game and got beat 1-0. That would have saved us from Play Off

Teams will be absolutely relishing playing us at Easter Road right now. If I was a betting man I'd put Ross County on my coupon.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Teams will be absolutely relishing playing us at Easter Road right now. If I was a betting man I'd put Ross County on my coupon.

I wouldn’t.

[theonlywayisup]

Sad as I am, I had a look back at the merged threads from 2014 (first actually started in December 2013 before we went up to Dingwall on Boxing Day and won two nil).

For those not willing to read what was written back then in the thread below, the similarities between then and now is very worrying. "Our inability to put the ball into the net is a concern and if it's not addressed soon then we may find ourselves in bother" writes one poster. "Butcher deserves time to get our act together but once again we miss out on the automatic bounce from a new manager" writes another, so I suppose at least this time we got a mini-bounce. It didn't take long before those with a more positive mindset posted the alternative view "No offence but this thread is garbage. Just another outlet for unwarranted negativity". The three quotes taken from the first six posts on the threads.

Some were positive about our team "Cant believe that were still in this position of looking over our shoulders and seeing a relegation dog fight. On paper we have a decent squad. GK Ben William a good SPL keeper, Hanlon Nelson Mcpake Forster all decent defenders, theres not many players you would trade them for in the spl. The same goes for the midfield Craig Robertson Thomson Harris. Up top is were the questions start for me. Collins is good on paper but not showing his ability on the pitch, i don't think Haynes is all that nor Heffernan. I was hoping that the midfield would chip in more to relieve the pressure, but even Liam Craigs goals have stopped recently."

We also had the "Beat Ross County at home and we'll be okay" comments.

Good read, but we all know the ending.:rolleyes:

We may titter/Elephant In The Room... (Merged Relegation Threads) (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?275946-We-may-titter-Elephant-In-The-Room-(Merged-Relegation-Threads)&highlight=relegation)

[ian cruise]

I wouldn't mind Tom Taiwo in our midfield right now, he was decent without being a world beater, but as for the rest, not a chance they're better than the current team.

I know I'm repeating myself from other threads but we don't have a bad team, but almost every player is under performing versus previous performances they've given while wearing green and white. They and the coaching staff need to figure out what is wrong ASAP.

If it means Shaun's preferred philosophy needs to go on the back burner and a return to basics until we're in a safer position re:top six and then return to implementing those ideas in close season then so be it.

[Since452]

You're struggling to see Hibs getting 2 wins from 12 games? Ross county is one win, St Johnstone at home is another. We'll be massive favourites for both those games.

Admire your optimism mate but i'm just not seeing where the wins are coming from. We were massive favorites against Livingston and St Mirren too. Really hope im wrong and we win these games.

[Since452]

Sad as I am, I had a look back at the merged threads from 2014 (first actually started in December 2013 before we went up to Dingwall on Boxing Day and won two nil).

For those not willing to read what was written back then in the thread below, the similarities between then and now is very worrying. "Our inability to put the ball into the net is a concern and if it's not addressed soon then we may find ourselves in bother" writes one poster. "Butcher deserves time to get our act together but once again we miss out on the automatic bounce from a new manager" writes another, so I suppose at least this time we got a mini-bounce. It didn't take long before those with a more positive mindset posted the alternative view "No offence but this thread is garbage. Just another outlet for unwarranted negativity". The three quotes taken from the first six posts on the threads.

Some were positive about our team "Cant believe that were still in this position of looking over our shoulders and seeing a relegation dog fight. On paper we have a decent squad. GK Ben William a good SPL keeper, Hanlon Nelson Mcpake Forster all decent defenders, theres not many players you would trade them for in the spl. The same goes for the midfield Craig Robertson Thomson Harris. Up top is were the questions start for me. Collins is good on paper but not showing his ability on the pitch, i don't think Haynes is all that nor Heffernan. I was hoping that the midfield would chip in more to relieve the pressure, but even Liam Craigs goals have stopped recently."

We also had the "Beat Ross County at home and we'll be okay" comments.

Good read, but we all know the ending.:rolleyes:

We may titter/Elephant In The Room... (Merged Relegation Threads) (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?275946-We-may-titter-Elephant-In-The-Room-(Merged-Relegation-Threads)&highlight=relegation)

That is frightening reading. Could easily be a thread from 2021/22 :paranoid:

[flash]

That is frightening reading. Could easily be a thread from 2021/22 :paranoid:

Gies peace. Far too many people revel in it when we are going through a sticky patch.

[Since452]

Gies peace. Far too many people revel in it when we are going through a sticky patch.

I'm reveling in Hibs being dug *****? Aye ok. Would you rather i burried my head in the sand and said everything was going to be ok? Would that make you feel better?

[ian cruise]

I'm certain we're not getting relegated, or going to be in the mix for it. Unfortunately I don't think there's much I can say to convince those who believe we are otherwise, the points have already been made.

Unfortunately since the Dundee Utd game I'm not seeing the positives others are seeing either, it feels like it's going to be a long end to the season with a lot of disappointing results. My guess is an inspiring midtable (7th/8th).

[Paul1642]

Whilst it is pretty unlikely that we will be relegated it would be daft to ignore it as a possibility. The teams bellow us are not that far behind and are gaining points on us every week. Fail to win at lest 2 from the next 4 and we may be in bother.

[flash]

I'm reveling in Hibs being dug *****? Aye ok. Would you rather i burried my head in the sand and said everything was going to be ok? Would that make you feel better?

I would rather people stopped posting over and over again this sort of stuff.
Yes it's a forum and yes you are free to post whatever you like but it's absolutely relentless just now.

[Paul1642]

I would rather people stopped posting over and over again this sort of stuff.
Yes it's a forum and yes you are free to post whatever you like but it's absolutely relentless just now.

It’s relentless because the performance are the worst we have had to watch since Butcher and that worries some of us a lot.

[flash]

It’s relentless because the performance are the worst we have had to watch since Butcher and that worries some of us a lot.

No they aren't.

[Paul1642]

No they aren't.

When have we been as consistently poor since Stubbs took over?

[MWHIBBIES]

Admire your optimism mate but i'm just not seeing where the wins are coming from. We were massive favorites against Livingston and St Mirren too. Really hope im wrong and we win these games.

Its not optimism. Its the law of averages. We are going to win a few games between now and May. We just are.

Tbh, even if we play like we did against St Mirren, we will certainly get a few wins. The idea we're going to lose every game is rubbish. The whole ''not seeing where the wins are coming from'' is just overly negative. Like, you don't see Hibs picking up any wins anywhere at all? Silly thing to say.

[basehibby]

No they aren't.

Recent results and form have been abysmal - such that I was happy and relieved last week just to NOT get beat off the Yams. Normally I'm desperate for us to win and pretty pissed off if we dont. Regardless of whatever happy pills you are taking the reality is that this relegation talk will only be put to bed with a good steady course of Hibs wins.
Bring it on i say - nothing against Maloney and want him to succeed. His honeymoon is well and truly over though - we need points on the board here and now - and so does Maloney if he ever wants to see any long term plans come to fruition.

[WhileTheChief..]

Its not optimism. Its the law of averages. We are going to win a few games between now and May. We just are.

Tbh, even if we play like we did against St Mirren, we will certainly get a few wins. The idea we're going to lose every game is rubbish. The whole ''not seeing where the wins are coming from'' is just overly negative. Like, you don't see Hibs picking up any wins anywhere at all? Silly thing to say.

Law of averages doesn't come anywhere near sports results, crap example.

We went 9 without a win this season already. You might have thought that would have been a silly prediction beforehand?

[He's here!]

Its not optimism. Its the law of averages. We are going to win a few games between now and May. We just are.

Tbh, even if we play like we did against St Mirren, we will certainly get a few wins. The idea we're going to lose every game is rubbish. The whole ''not seeing where the wins are coming from'' is just overly negative. Like, you don't see Hibs picking up any wins anywhere at all? Silly thing to say.

We've picked up two 0-0 draws in the 5 league games since the winter break and only found the net in one of those games. It's alarming form and while I sincerely hope your belief that we'll start to pick up wins comes to pass I think it's reasonable to feel less than optimistic at present.

[MWHIBBIES]

Law of averages doesn't come anywhere near sports results, crap example.

We went 9 without a win this season already. You might have thought that would have been a silly prediction beforehand?

It really does. We're not 19 games without a win. Thats what folk are predicting with this pish. Us not winning again this season. Its rubbish. Have Hibs, in their history, ever gone on that type of run? Its not going to happen. Despite how bad we've been, we're still absolutely miles clear of relegation. We're not going down.

Shaun might not be the man, but he isn't dumb enough to take us down. Not that keeping Hibs in the spl is some achievement.

[The 90+2]

Thankfully Dundee and St Johnnies are too far behind.

We fail to operate as a team and other teams we have played recently wanted it more.

[B.H.F.C]

Things change very quickly in this league. It happened for us when Ross left and we took 10 points from our next 4 games. We were only 5 points above the playoff place. We’re now 10 points clear as it stands despite not having won since Boxing Day. With Ross County, Dundee and St Johnstone either side of Celtic we need to be looking to a decent number of points from that run and, if we do, we’ll probably be sitting in fourth.

Did say similar before playing Livingston and St Mirren right enough.

[He's here!]

Sad as I am, I had a look back at the merged threads from 2014 (first actually started in December 2013 before we went up to Dingwall on Boxing Day and won two nil).

For those not willing to read what was written back then in the thread below, the similarities between then and now is very worrying. "Our inability to put the ball into the net is a concern and if it's not addressed soon then we may find ourselves in bother" writes one poster. "Butcher deserves time to get our act together but once again we miss out on the automatic bounce from a new manager" writes another, so I suppose at least this time we got a mini-bounce. It didn't take long before those with a more positive mindset posted the alternative view "No offence but this thread is garbage. Just another outlet for unwarranted negativity". The three quotes taken from the first six posts on the threads.

Some were positive about our team "Cant believe that were still in this position of looking over our shoulders and seeing a relegation dog fight. On paper we have a decent squad. GK Ben William a good SPL keeper, Hanlon Nelson Mcpake Forster all decent defenders, theres not many players you would trade them for in the spl. The same goes for the midfield Craig Robertson Thomson Harris. Up top is were the questions start for me. Collins is good on paper but not showing his ability on the pitch, i don't think Haynes is all that nor Heffernan. I was hoping that the midfield would chip in more to relieve the pressure, but even Liam Craigs goals have stopped recently."

We also had the "Beat Ross County at home and we'll be okay" comments.

Good read, but we all know the ending.:rolleyes:

We may titter/Elephant In The Room... (Merged Relegation Threads) (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?275946-We-may-titter-Elephant-In-The-Room-(Merged-Relegation-Threads)&highlight=relegation)

IIRC we did beat Ross County at home then failed to win a single subsequent league game?

[Pretty Boy]

Sad as I am, I had a look back at the merged threads from 2014 (first actually started in December 2013 before we went up to Dingwall on Boxing Day and won two nil).

For those not willing to read what was written back then in the thread below, the similarities between then and now is very worrying. "Our inability to put the ball into the net is a concern and if it's not addressed soon then we may find ourselves in bother" writes one poster. "Butcher deserves time to get our act together but once again we miss out on the automatic bounce from a new manager" writes another, so I suppose at least this time we got a mini-bounce. It didn't take long before those with a more positive mindset posted the alternative view "No offence but this thread is garbage. Just another outlet for unwarranted negativity". The three quotes taken from the first six posts on the threads.

Some were positive about our team "Cant believe that were still in this position of looking over our shoulders and seeing a relegation dog fight. On paper we have a decent squad. GK Ben William a good SPL keeper, Hanlon Nelson Mcpake Forster all decent defenders, theres not many players you would trade them for in the spl. The same goes for the midfield Craig Robertson Thomson Harris. Up top is were the questions start for me. Collins is good on paper but not showing his ability on the pitch, i don't think Haynes is all that nor Heffernan. I was hoping that the midfield would chip in more to relieve the pressure, but even Liam Craigs goals have stopped recently."

We also had the "Beat Ross County at home and we'll be okay" comments.

Good read, but we all know the ending.:rolleyes:

We may titter/Elephant In The Room... (Merged Relegation Threads) (hibs.net) (https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?275946-We-may-titter-Elephant-In-The-Room-(Merged-Relegation-Threads)&highlight=relegation)

I'm not normally one to like seeing threads being dragged up when the context has gone.

It's good to see I was banging on about not scoring goals costing us dear in 2013 as well though:greengrin

[He's here!]

It really does. We're not 19 games without a win. Thats what folk are predicting with this pish. Us not winning again this season. Its rubbish. Have Hibs, in their history, ever gone on that type of run? Its not going to happen. Despite how bad we've been, we're still absolutely miles clear of relegation. We're not going down.

Shaun might not be the man, but he isn't dumb enough to take us down. Not that keeping Hibs in the spl is some achievement.

Pretty sure we went on a run of one win in 23 league games in the Duffy relegation season, a season in which we were top of the league early on. Not saying the current side isn't better than the one of that era, but when confidence drains away and a manager proves not up to the challenge things can disintegrate pretty spectacularly.

[WhileTheChief..]

It really does. We're not 19 games without a win. Thats what folk are predicting with this pish. Us not winning again this season. Its rubbish. Have Hibs, in their history, ever gone on that type of run? Its not going to happen. Despite how bad we've been, we're still absolutely miles clear of relegation. We're not going down.

Shaun might not be the man, but he isn't dumb enough to take us down. Not that keeping Hibs in the spl is some achievement.

I agree that we'll be nowhere near relegation and we should win a few games before the season ends.

I don't think it's silly to question where the wins are coming from though.

A few weeks back plenty of folk on here were talking about 12 points from 15 or something before Livvi and St Mirren put us in our place! Nobody predicted these 2 home defeats.

I think we'll limp along to the end of the season picking up a few points and prob finish 5th or 6th.

I've no idea how dumb Maloney is :greengrin

[1620]

Thankfully Dundee and St Johnnies are too far behind.

We fail to operate as a team and other teams we have played recently wanted it more.

I am not sure your last sentence is correct. I think there has been plenty evidence of them operating as a team. They have simply stopped scoring goals which has got us into the current predicament. Continuing to play the same combinations of midfielders and two off form strikers is not going to get us out of it. I thought by now the club would have brought in a couple of players from the “free” list just to change things up a bit. SM obviously has a style of play he wants to implement and I support his forward thinking in bringing in 19/20 year olds to be coached in the way he wants but he must ensure that Premier League status is retained for next season and if that means a bit of compromise between now and then so be it.

[sleeping giant]

I'll be honest , i'm worried.
I'll be less worried when we win a couple of games but the longer that takes , the more worried i'll become.😔

[neil7908]

I thought about the parallels too, but I don't agree that we had better players in 2014, that team was a mess. Look at this lineup from March 2014:

GK: Murdoch
Defense: Forster, McGivern, Boateng, Nelson
Midfield: Taiwo, Haynes, Thomson, Stanton, Craig
Attack: Heffernan.

There should be a trigger warning up before you post that team.

[theonlywayisup]

IIRC we did beat Ross County at home then failed to win a single subsequent league game?

Yes, I thought we had lost the game, but we won it 2-1 with early goals from Sam Stanton and Tom Taiwo.

[theonlywayisup]

I'm not normally one to like seeing threads being dragged up when the context has gone.

It's good to see I was banging on about not scoring goals costing us dear in 2013 as well though:greengrin

It's actually a good read in a sad way:greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

IIRC we did beat Ross County at home then failed to win a single subsequent league game?

Yep no wins in our last 13 league matches - 4 draws and 9 defeats.

[Glory Lurker]

As a sage said in the 2014 thread it's not impossible but it's unimaginable. I'd like to go with that again, but it's not unimaginable anymore [greeting emoji].

So, I'm going with it's not impossible but it's really unlikely.

Hiya 2030 me! Hiya pal!

[Fifehibee1960]

[QUOTE=Glory Lurker;6855855]As a sage said in the 2014 thread it's not impossible but it's unimaginable. I'd like to go with that again, but it's not unimaginable anymore [greeting emoji].

So, I'm going with it's not impossible but it's really unlikely.

This where I am too….. very very unlikely

[The 90+2]

I am not sure your last sentence is correct. I think there has been plenty evidence of them operating as a team. They have simply stopped scoring goals which has got us into the current predicament. Continuing to play the same combinations of midfielders and two off form strikers is not going to get us out of it. I thought by now the club would have brought in a couple of players from the “free” list just to change things up a bit. SM obviously has a style of play he wants to implement and I support his forward thinking in bringing in 19/20 year olds to be coached in the way he wants but he must ensure that Premier League status is retained for next season and if that means a bit of compromise between now and then so be it.


I don't, but thanks for replying. Caddens' calls in the box where good balls in good positions indicate otherwise as do a lot of individual skill with no end product because nobody else knows where the other is meant to be.

Look at the stickys second goal on Weds, it's exactly similar to Celtics first a few weeks back, there's no cover for the cover, in fact it's also quite similar to St Mirren at the weekend, in a team if a player makes a mistake there's a player there to cover, if there's a good chance a player anticipates it happening. The players seem to be okay at playing their own individual game who works on team shape on and off the ball? Maybe that's the glaring issue.

[Skol]

Things change very quickly in this league. It happened for us when Ross left and we took 10 points from our next 4 games. We were only 5 points above the playoff place. We’re now 10 points clear as it stands despite not having won since Boxing Day. With Ross County, Dundee and St Johnstone either side of Celtic we need to be looking to a decent number of points from that run and, if we do, we’ll probably be sitting in fourth.

Did say similar before playing Livingston and St Mirren right enough.

I was thinking about the period after Ross left and gray was in charge. We won one and drew one in the league and also put in a good shift in the cup final.

Them maloney came in and we won two more before the break. Since when we have been brutal.

Now I think about it maloney had two days after the cup final and three before the next game. Given players need days off and we had Christmas, those first two games were largely off the back of grays time looking after the team.

[B.H.F.C]

I was thinking about the period after Ross left and gray was in charge. We won one and drew one in the league and also put in a good shift in the cup final.

Them maloney came in and we won two more before the break. Since when we have been brutal.

Now I think about it maloney had two days after the cup final and three before the next game. Given players need days off and we had Christmas, those first two games were largely off the back of grays time looking after the team.

There were things he changed in his first couple of games (more so the Dundee Utd game) that got a good reaction out of them though.

I thought the break and him getting more time on the training pitch would be good but it’s been the complete opposite. He tried to be to clever at Parkhead IMO and it’s been downhill since then.

[Skol]

There were things he changed in his first couple of games (more so the Dundee Utd game) that got a good reaction out of them though.

I thought the break and him getting more time on the training pitch would be good but it’s been the complete opposite. He tried to be to clever at Parkhead IMO and it’s been downhill since then.

Yeah, that’s what I don’t understand. Those early changes seem to have fallen by the wayside and I don’t know why.

[wookie70]

I was thinking about the period after Ross left and gray was in charge. We won one and drew one in the league and also put in a good shift in the cup final.

Them maloney came in and we won two more before the break. Since when we have been brutal.

Now I think about it maloney had two days after the cup final and three before the next game. Given players need days off and we had Christmas, those first two games were largely off the back of grays time looking after the team.


I think that is fair comment. The bounce could have came from Ross leaving, which relieves any pressure if it existed, and the feeling of a new start and a club legend there to help you through. Maloney comes in and perhaps the honeymoon is over and players now having to play a style they are not familiar with and look very uncomfortable with. If it clicks we could be like Swansea were if not it could be disastrous. My initial thoughts were it was a long shot for it to work in the long term given pitches, quality of player, style of Scottish football, weather, fans and a few other things and almost impossible for it to work quickly. The one positive in the last few weeks is we did appear to change shape against The Rangers. I also like that he came out and said players could go long if they thought that was needed. That being said seems to me to suggest he wants that to be clear to the fans but possibly making sure the players understand it is ok not to keep possession if the situation dictates.

He seems like a decent guy with a good brain. I like he is trying something he believes in and I hope he is successful. I think to be successful he needs to be pragmatic and if this is a long term plan then let's do it in stages keeping performance, results and entertainment at the forefront of our play and not necessarily having to get the positives playing the desired way. In the first instance I think it is vital he gets as settled a team as injuries allow and also plays players in positions and roles they like and can prosper in. Every game has seen changes and not always because of availability. If it is new to players they need time to learn

[The Modfather]

I was thinking about the period after Ross left and gray was in charge. We won one and drew one in the league and also put in a good shift in the cup final.

Them maloney came in and we won two more before the break. Since when we have been brutal.

Now I think about it maloney had two days after the cup final and three before the next game. Given players need days off and we had Christmas, those first two games were largely off the back of grays time looking after the team.

For those games and those two wins under Maloney we also had Boyle. There’s questions about Maloney for sure but I also think it’s telling our results with Boyle and those after Boyle.

[Iggy Pope]

The thread title was a scunner the last time, as I’m sure the OP back then will recall, and it stinks of pish this time around as well.

[Skol]

For those games and those two wins under Maloney we also had Boyle. There’s questions about Maloney for sure but I also think it’s telling our results with Boyle and those after Boyle.

Good point. However We also had Boyle for the losing run that saw ross sacked.

[Libby Hibby]

If current form continues, we are staring a relegation fight straight in the pus.

[theonlywayisup]

The thread title was a scunner the last time, as I’m sure the OP back then will recall, and it stinks of pish this time around as well.

If I recall correctly, the last time it was posted as there was confidence that despite our poor form we couldn't be relegated, could we! Yes, the team was poor, but it would take a series of our of character performances from the poor teams around us. Remember, the expectations going into the Relegation Derby, when we were going to relegate the Hertz. All we needed was a draw and we would have been safe. After the win against Ross County at Easter Road on the 15th February, we got three draws in the next four games and were in a comfortable position. However, only one point out of the last 27 on offer was the reason we ended up in the play-off position.

Surely, that won't happen again. :hide:

[theonlywayisup]

Think we can close this thread now! Let's get some of the youngsters into the team after the game away to Livingston.

[JamesHFC]

Think we can close this thread now! Let's get some of the youngsters into the team after the game away to Livingston.

Aye it was never going to happen.

[Billy Whizz]

Think we can close this thread now! Let's get some of the youngsters into the team after the game away to Livingston.

We want to finish 7th, and I’m sure Gray and May want to put a run together, you never know where it will end up for them….
Someone said to me today David Gray will sell season tickets, as take up so far has been really poor

[Hermit Crab]

We want to finish 7th, and I’m sure Gray and May want to put a run together, you never know where it will end up for them….
Someone said to me today David Gray will sell season tickets, as take up so far has been really poor


Even if we win our last 4 games David Gray should not be given the role on a permanent basis.

[Mantis Toboggan]

Even if we win our last 4 games David Gray should not be given the role on a permanent basis.

Should go without saying. But who knows what some fans will want if we end up winning 4/5 games

[Hermit Crab]

Should go without saying. But who knows what some fans will want if we end up winning 4/5 games


We need an experienced man to come in, if we went with Gary it would be harder to get rid of him when it inevitably goes belly up as a lot of the fans are too bloody sentimental and cant let go - see Daz, Hanlon and Stevenson (although Lewis has been ok this season to be fair)

[Ronniekirk]

We need an experienced man to come in, if we went with Gary it would be harder to get rid of him when it inevitably goes belly up as a lot of the fans are too bloody sentimental and cant let go - see Daz, Hanlon and Stevenson (although Lewis has been ok this season to be fair)

Someone experienced with Gray as his assistant ?


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[Since452]

Today was massive. We won't end up in a playoff now. 11 point swing in four games. Not happening.

[hhibs]

We need an experienced man to come in, if we went with Gary it would be harder to get rid of him when it inevitably goes belly up as a lot of the fans are too bloody sentimental and cant let go - see Daz, Hanlon and Stevenson (although Lewis has been ok this season to be fair)


With the departure of Boyle I would suggest Lewis may be favourite for player of the year !

[Hermit Crab]

Today was massive. We won't end up in a playoff now. 11 point swing in four games. Not happening.



Butcher took us from a safe top 6 position to the championship. Until it's mathematically impossible you cant write it off with Hibs and fine you know it.

[Hermit Crab]

Someone experienced with Gray as his assistant ?


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No, someone experienced will bring their own assistant anyway.

[MartinfaePorty]

I think even you know it ain't going to happen, HC

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[Billy Whizz]

Butcher took us from a safe top 6 position to the championship. Until it's mathematically impossible you cant write it off with Hibs and fine you know it.

We’re not going down

[Hiber-nation]

We’re not going down

If we had to lose the last game by 12 goals Hermit would still come on here and say it was possible.

[Billy Whizz]

No, someone experienced will bring their own assistant anyway.

I’d rather we went with someone like Gray if he can get 4/5 wins, than anyone Gordon and Kensell would appt! No faith in them at all
That’s if David wants it anyway

[Since452]

Butcher took us from a safe top 6 position to the championship. Until it's mathematically impossible you cant write it off with Hibs and fine you know it.

We both do mate but we ain't going down after today.

[Hibernia&Alba]

We are safe. Let's look ahead to making a good appointment and sorting ourselves over the summer :aok:

[Hermit Crab]

I think even you know it ain't going to happen, HC

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We’re not going down


We both do mate but we ain't going down after today.


I'd say its very unlikely but a point minimum next week sorts it all out.

[Sir David Gray]

Butcher took us from a safe top 6 position to the championship. Until it's mathematically impossible you cant write it off with Hibs and fine you know it.

I'm happy to write relegation off after today and willing to put any amount of money on that too.

There's no way we're losing all remaining games whilst St Johnstone win all of theirs plus St Mirren and Aberdeen both win 2 of their other 3 remaining games.

Not a chance.

[The Spaceman]

I'm happy to write relegation off after today and willing to put any amount of money on that too.

There's no way we're losing all remaining games whilst St Johnstone win all of theirs plus St Mirren and Aberdeen both win 2 of their other 3 remaining games.

Not a chance.

😅

[Callum_62]

I'm happy to write relegation off after today and willing to put any amount of money on that too.

There's no way we're losing all remaining games whilst St Johnstone win all of theirs plus St Mirren and Aberdeen both win 2 of their other 3 remaining games.

Not a chance.Bath o beanz? [emoji44][emoji23]

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[Sir David Gray]

Bath o beanz? [emoji44][emoji23]

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It's not in doubt so aye go for it!

[Carheenlea]

Would love to see Aberdeen sucked into a tense finale.

That’s surely enough to see us safe. Obviously our experience will tell us with Hibs you can’t rule any scenario, but even the most doom laden among us should sort of feel we’ve secured our top flight status for next term.

[Since452]

Would love to see Aberdeen sucked into a tense finale.

That’s surely enough to see us safe. Obviously our experience will tell us with Hibs you can’t rule any scenario, but even the most doom laden among us should sort of feel we’ve secured our top flight status for next term.

Those ***** have dodged relegation too many times. Would love to see them down. Don't think any of the championship teams coming up via playoffs though.

[Springbank]

Aye it was never going to happen.

I do not share this view.

Switch around the 1-0 win vs Aberdeen (Porteous header where he got hs retrospective red, shouldnt have been on the pitch etc) and that one decision looks like it has put Aberdeen in the soup, and given us our lifeline this season.

Yesterday was huge and congrats should go to David Gray for engineering it, and the players delivering it.

But had yesterday's results been slightly different we could have been sitting today in 10th, within touching distance of St Johnstone

We were left in proper danger, right up til and including the 70th minute yesterday.

We shouldn't pretend otherwise - and I;m glad we're in our position and not St Mirren or Aberdeen's now.

[Lago]

I’d rather we went with someone like Gray if he can get 4/5 wins, than anyone Gordon and Kensell would appt! No faith in them at all
That’s if David wants it anyway
Nope that would be another foolish appointment, doomed to fail.

[Northernhibee]

Nope that would be another foolish appointment, doomed to fail.

I can’t see why, he’d have had seven games in charge to show what he’s got and the club would be making an informed decision from that.

[Borderhibbie76]

I do not share this view.

Switch around the 1-0 win vs Aberdeen (Porteous header where he got hs retrospective red, shouldnt have been on the pitch etc) and that one decision looks like it has put Aberdeen in the soup, and given us our lifeline this season.

Yesterday was huge and congrats should go to David Gray for engineering it, and the players delivering it.

But had yesterday's results been slightly different we could have been sitting today in 10th, within touching distance of St Johnstone

We were left in proper danger, right up til and including the 70th minute yesterday.

We shouldn't pretend otherwise - and I;m glad we're in our position and not St Mirren or Aberdeen's now.

So very true and that is I think the real reason why the Board acted and punted Maloney - we couldn't see where the next win was coming from under him and had we been dragged into a play off- it could have been disastrous.

Well done to SDG for that big result yesterday that has us all breathing a bit easier today - it wasn't pretty or attractive but it was vital

[chippy]

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I’d rather we went with someone like Gray if he can get 4/5 wins, than anyone Gordon and Kensell would appt! No faith in them at all
That’s if David wants it anyway

Better keeping SDG as coach/ permanent caretaker manager for when the next manager gets bumped

[Alfred E Newman]

I do not share this view.

Switch around the 1-0 win vs Aberdeen (Porteous header where he got hs retrospective red, shouldnt have been on the pitch etc) and that one decision looks like it has put Aberdeen in the soup, and given us our lifeline this season.

Yesterday was huge and congrats should go to David Gray for engineering it, and the players delivering it.

But had yesterday's results been slightly different we could have been sitting today in 10th, within touching distance of St Johnstone

We were left in proper danger, right up til and including the 70th minute yesterday.

We shouldn't pretend otherwise - and I;m glad we're in our position and not St Mirren or Aberdeen's now.
Re the Aberdeen game, debatable refereeing decisions cost us up there so swings and roundabouts

[SlickShoes]

I do not share this view.

Switch around the 1-0 win vs Aberdeen (Porteous header where he got hs retrospective red, shouldnt have been on the pitch etc) and that one decision looks like it has put Aberdeen in the soup, and given us our lifeline this season.

Yesterday was huge and congrats should go to David Gray for engineering it, and the players delivering it.

But had yesterday's results been slightly different we could have been sitting today in 10th, within touching distance of St Johnstone

We were left in proper danger, right up til and including the 70th minute yesterday.

We shouldn't pretend otherwise - and I;m glad we're in our position and not St Mirren or Aberdeen's now.

If you just take away hearts two goals last weekend we actually won and are in the cup final

[MKHIBEE]

We want to finish 7th, and I’m sure Gray and May want to put a run together, you never know where it will end up for them….
Someone said to me today David Gray will sell season tickets, as take up so far has been really poor

I would rather he was on the training ground than in the ticket office

[Lago]

I can’t see why, he’d have had seven games in charge to show what he’s got and the club would be making an informed decision from that.
We've tried the young manager with new ideas in Malone, who at least had a semblance of a track record in coaching at different clubs and levels. Gray hasn't had that exposure, he needs to do what Keven Thomson has done go to a lower league clue, once he's got his badges, and prove himself there. We need someone with a degree of experience.

[ahibby]

Watching the County v Celtic game just now and realising how poor we must be this season to finish below both, as apart from one good finish neither showing much quality.

[bigwheel]

Watching the County v Celtic game just now and realising how poor we must be this season to finish below both, as apart from one good finish neither showing much quality.

Think County putting in a decent performance here ..could see them equalising …

[kaimendhibs]

Butcher took us from a safe top 6 position to the championship. Until it's mathematically impossible you cant write it off with Hibs and fine you know it.Massive goal difference in our favour worth an extra point imo G

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[hibbyfraelibby]

We’re not going down

I agree...Aberdeen are.

[Not So Young]

I agree...Aberdeen are.


That I would like to see iirc they only avoided relegation before because of either restructuring or Falkirks ground nor being compliant.

They are not famous any more

[Franck Stanton]

And to think we moaned when Aberdeen "stole" most of our targets at start of season, seemed to be anyone we were interested in they assumed us.
Hasn't done them any good. We are now both crap.

[Billy Whizz]

That I would like to see iirc they only avoided relegation before because of either restructuring or Falkirks ground nor being compliant.

They are not famous any more

Things will become a bit clearer on Saturday
Aberdeen v Dundee and St Johnstone v St Mirren

[loanheadhibby]

With the departure of Boyle I would suggest Lewis may be favourite for player of the year !
Is that really of any interest to anyone.
I wouldn't award it to anyone this year
although I admit Lewis has played well this season.

[FilipinoHibs]

Going to enjoy putting Aberdeen and Saint Jonstone to sword as they grapple with relegation.

[Ringothedog]

Is that really of any interest to anyone.
I wouldn't award it to anyone this year
although I admit Lewis has played well this season.

I am sure anyone who is going to the player of the year event will be interested in particular as they are paying good money to go