Captain Tom Moore

[lord bunberry]

Looks like the family did quite well out of his fundraising efforts
https://twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1490745880210808833?s=21

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Said at the time that the daughter seemed a bit dodgy. You could just tell, never off BBC breakfast pushing her Dad. The Beeb and media in general lapping it up, the family stacking it up!

[Ozyhibby]

Most charities are like this. That’s why even moderately wealthy people seem to be setting them up these days. In last 20 years the amount of charities registered in UK has went through the roof.


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[CropleyWasGod]

A little bit of perspective is needed here:-

1. this charity was set up in May 2020. As with all small ventures, there are a lot of initial one-off costs, which restrict its ability to distribute all of the money it has raised.

2. it doesn't make donations to other charities, it makes grants. There are about a dozen listed in its accounts. The process of identifying and administering those grants can be difficult and time-consuming.

3. at the end of that first year, there was about £700k in the charity's bank account. Some of that has, as shown in the accounts, already been granted. What PoliticsJoe fails to ask is "to what extent has that money been granted?".

[AugustaHibs]

Tin hat on here but why was such a big fuss made about the guy anyway?

He walked round his garden. I know he was getting on but the public furore was way OTT.

Should never have been celebrated either, an elderly man having to raise money for a service that we are all paying for is a shambles.

[Kato]

The Prime Ministers wife works for a charity returning zoo animals to the wild. A bit niche and I'm not sure how many animals they have successfully relocated. The charity had a turnover of £1.5M but were given a Covid emergency loan of £2M. That's charitable.

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[Kato]

Tin hat on here but why was such a big fuss made about the guy anyway?

He walked round his garden. I know he was getting on but the public furore was way OTT.

Should never have been celebrated either, an elderly man having to raise money for a service that we are all paying for is a shambles."The country" needed some positive propaganda. Some old bloke zimmering around his back green fitted the bill at the time. Some people like that kind of thing, some don't fall fir it at all.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Tin hat on here but why was such a big fuss made about the guy anyway?

He walked round his garden. I know he was getting on but the public furore was way OTT.

Should never have been celebrated either, an elderly man having to raise money for a service that we are all paying for is a shambles.

If I was the recipient of a life-saving operation that might not have happened without his £40m, I would be celebrating him. :wink:

[JeMeSouviens]

Tin hat on here but why was such a big fuss made about the guy anyway?

He walked round his garden. I know he was getting on but the public furore was way OTT.

Should never have been celebrated either, an elderly man having to raise money for a service that we are all paying for is a shambles.

:agree:

Spot on. He was used as a convenient distraction while the bodies were piling up.

[Just_Jimmy]

Raised 40mil when the con artists in charge paid in claps.



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[Jones28]

Admins can we get the thread title changed? OP forgot the obligatory Sir.

That was the most annoying thing, Captain Sir Tom Moore every time he appeared on TV.

But it’s not his fault he was used as a smokescreen to distract us all.

In the meantime, here’s £8b of fraudulently claimed covid loan we’ll just let go.

[Kato]

But it’s not his fault he was used as a smokescreen to distract us all.


It is a smokescreen but it's more like the knack magicians have, misdirection.

[wookie70]

Looks like the family did quite well out of his fundraising efforts
https://twitter.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/1490745880210808833?s=21

Hardly a surprise imo.

[Crunchie]

:agree:

Spot on. He was used as a convenient distraction while the bodies were piling up.
Some crass comments on this thread but that's a shocker.

[Colr]

If I was the recipient of a life-saving operation that might not have happened without his £40m, I would be celebrating him. :wink:

Well, yes. ….but a properly funded NHS would pay for that.

You can see why the Tory establishment push this. Keep tax low and rely on charity (mostly from ordinary folk rather than the rich) to fund social and health care.

And that without adding the side-hustle mentioned above.

Perfect Tory economic model that appeals the people like Rees Mogg who finds food banks uplifting whilst offshoring his company so it pays no tax in the UK.

[wookie70]

Well, yes. ….but a properly funded NHS would pay for that.

You can see why the Tory establishment push this. Keep tax low and rely on charity (mostly from ordinary folk rather than the rich) to fund social and health care.

And that without adding the side-hustle mentioned above.

Perfect Tory economic model that appeals the people like Rees Mogg who finds food banks uplifting whilst offshoring his company so it pays no tax in the UK.

That is pretty much my thoughts on any charity that is set up to provide a service or help that should be in the government remit and responsibilities. Charity is almost a guilt tax for working people. Fortunately it is a voluntary tax which I choose never to pay despite social media, tv and workplaces full of advertising and pressure to make the workers wilt

[Colr]

That is pretty much my thoughts on any charity that is set up to provide a service or help that should be in the government remit and responsibilities. Charity is almost a guilt tax for working people. Fortunately it is a voluntary tax which I choose never to pay despite social media, tv and workplaces full of advertising and pressure to make the workers wilt

Anybody got any idea what is funded by the lottery these days?

[CropleyWasGod]

Anybody got any idea what is funded by the lottery these days?

It's all here.

https://www.lotterygoodcauses.org.uk/projects/list

[Hiber-nation]

This man could have easily sat in his house grumbling into his Daily Mail but he got off his arse and did something. The daughter was indeed a right pain in the erse and obviously in it for what she could get but I have total respect for the guy.

[stu in nottingham]

Article originally in The Independant.

Captain Tom charity 'tried to appoint daughter as CEO on six-figure salary'

https://public.uk.com/2022/02/18/captain-tom-charity-tried-to-appoint-daughter-as-ceo-on-six-figure-salary/

[Paulie Walnuts]

The daughter is an absolute snake.

[MKHIBEE]

Article originally in The Independant.

Captain Tom charity 'tried to appoint daughter as CEO on six-figure salary'

https://public.uk.com/2022/02/18/captain-tom-charity-tried-to-appoint-daughter-as-ceo-on-six-figure-salary/



Interesting to se that money was paid to charities which have nothing to do with the NHS. I wonder if people realised that would be the case when they donated

[danhibees1875]

Article originally in The Independant.

Captain Tom charity 'tried to appoint daughter as CEO on six-figure salary'

https://public.uk.com/2022/02/18/captain-tom-charity-tried-to-appoint-daughter-as-ceo-on-six-figure-salary/




I'll need to double check after I've had my morning coffee but that article seemed extremely hard to read - was it translated from another language?

[stu in nottingham]

I'll need to double check after I've had my morning coffee but that article seemed extremely hard to read - was it translated from another language?

It's an article taken from The Independent. I used this link as the original story has a paywall on it.

Edit: It's up now.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/captain-tom-foundation-charity-daughter-b2018320.html?amp

[MKHIBEE]

The daughter is an absolute snake.

Cue snakes taking umbrage.

[DaveF]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66100178

[Jones28]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66100178

Hooda ****ing thunk it.

Me. At it straight away. They took massive salaries as charity directors as well.

[Bostonhibby]

Hooda ****ing thunk it.

Me. At it straight away. They took massive salaries as charity directors as well.As soon as they were able to they were like flies around a cow pat over the charity.

Building the Captain Tom Foundation building with pool, spa, toilets and kitchen for occupiers and private use only. Shameless doesn't cover it.



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[neil7908]

Disgusting and they should be doing time if the allegations are investigated and proven.

Why does it feel like every facet of life in the UK is saturated with scammers and cheats?

[Just_Jimmy]

Disgusting and they should be doing time if the allegations are investigated and proven.

Why does it feel like every facet of life in the UK is saturated with scammers and cheats?Tory Britain.

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[Pretty Boy]

He seemed like a genuine old boy.

The family holiday that he had 'always dreamed off' that led to the covid that finished him off was the 1st red flag and they have kept coming ever since.

The pandemic was just a green light for the worst type of people with no morals and no conscience to scam those who could least afford it.

Anyone involved in this charade should be doing time.

[Smartie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBh2GczI48E

Here's something from the internet that you can never unsee, a bit like that one with the girls and the cup.

[Steven79]

Why did you have to post that? :dizzy:

[Jones28]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBh2GczI48E

Here's something from the internet that you can never unsee, a bit like that one with the girls and the cup.

What the hell is that?

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Although Covid was a world wide pandemic the root cause of this issue is the most insidious disease in our society, and that is greed.

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBh2GczI48E

Here's something from the internet that you can never unsee, a bit like that one with the girls and the cup.

The girls and the cup? You got a link for that?


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[Bristolhibby]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBh2GczI48E

Here's something from the internet that you can never unsee, a bit like that one with the girls and the cup.

Yet the cants in power won’t give the NHS workers the pay rise they deserve.

J

[Paulie Walnuts]

The girls and the cup? You got a link for that?


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https://shattereddisk.github.io/rickroll/rickroll.mp4

[ErinGoBraghHFC]

https://shattereddisk.github.io/rickroll/rickroll.mp4

The url let you down there mate, no cups or girls in sight. 0/10


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[Paulie Walnuts]

The url let you down there mate, no cups or girls in sight. 0/10


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Ffs I didn’t even read it :greengrin

[wookie70]

More surprising news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66515278

[lapsedhibee]

More surprising news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66515278

Codgers everywhere will be reading Replying to a BBC email about this matter, Hannah Ingram-Moore said via email: "You are awful. It's a total lie." in a Dick Emery voice.

[cabbageandribs1875]

she's feathered her nest a tad eh

[Jones28]

More surprising news - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-66515278I don't whether to find it hilarious or disgusting. Maybe a bit of both. Her self interest is so obvious that I admire it in a "can't take your eyes off it" sort of way.

[wookie70]

I don't whether to find it hilarious or disgusting. Maybe a bit of both. Her self interest is so obvious that I admire it in a "can't take your eyes off it" sort of way. She is doing a good job of confirming my views that charities, for the most part ,are there to employ rather than help. The initial guilt I felt about deciding to never give money to a charity, where their cause should be dealt with by tax, has long gone thanks to charlatans like her.

[Jones28]

Gosh and golly, what a surprise!

The people who have suddenly found funds to build a swimming pool and spa house in the ground of their dead fathers home decided it was morally acceptable to keep £800,000 in profits from the sales of his book!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67086802

I find this story captivating, it's levels of self interest that could only be allowed to flourish under this kind of Conservative government.

[speedy_gonzales]

Gosh and golly, what a surprise!

The people who have suddenly found funds to build a swimming pool and spa house in the ground of their dead fathers home decided it was morally acceptable to keep £800,000 in profits from the sales of his book!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67086802

I find this story captivating, it's levels of self interest that could only be allowed to flourish under this kind of Conservative government.

Just read that article. I'm not sure I could watch the Piers Morgan show as the family come across as really entitled.
They're basically stealing from a charity.

£85K salary to be interim Chief Exec of the charity.
£18K appearance fee for a charity awards ceremony.
£800K profits from the books written by Captain Tom in which he acknowledges in the prologue that by writing the book, he was given another chance to raise money for "charity".

Disgusting!

[Pretty Boy]

I'm absolutely stunned so I am. No one could have seen this coming.

[neil7908]

Grotesque. But this is Britain, so they'll get let off with a slap on the wrist and fade into obscurity, keeping all the wealth they stole.

[Bostonhibby]

Just read that article. I'm not sure I could watch the Piers Morgan show as the family come across as really entitled.
They're basically stealing from a charity.

£85K salary to be interim Chief Exec of the charity.
£18K appearance fee for a charity awards ceremony.
£800K profits from the books written by Captain Tom in which he acknowledges in the prologue that by writing the book, he was given another chance to raise money for "charity".

Disgusting!In a cast of thousands, they can't be far off being the country's nastiest?

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[wookie70]

In a cast of thousands, they can't be far off being the country's nastiest?

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Not even close I would imagine to the top 1000 of nastiest people in the UK. In a way it is a victimless crime. The people who gave it still get the virtue and warm feeling of being a good person, the NHS will get some coppers and the family flourish from their dead relative's effort of a few laps round the garden.

[Kato]

Not even close I would imagine to the top 1000 of nastiest people in the UK. In a way it is a victimless crime. The people who gave it still get the virtue and warm feeling of being a good person, the NHS will get some coppers and the family flourish from their dead relative's effort of a few laps round the garden.Yeah, all good. Our precious Captain Tom raising money for our precious NHS goes into the hands of his precious rellies. 21st century Tory UK writ large.

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[Bostonhibby]

Not even close I would imagine to the top 1000 of nastiest people in the UK. In a way it is a victimless crime. The people who gave it still get the virtue and warm feeling of being a good person, the NHS will get some coppers and the family flourish from their dead relative's effort of a few laps round the garden.All about opinions, and for me it takes a special kind of mindset for them to square just doing what they did with the money, last time I looked none of the charities aims included enriching this lot, and didn't they do it quickly.

On a different level given who the money was intended for and the backdrop against which it was given.

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[marinello59]

Yeah, all good. Our precious Captain Tom raising money for our precious NHS goes into the hands of his precious rellies. 21st century Tory UK writ large.

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This isn't a new thing. Charities operating like big businesses and paying over the top salaries and sky high 'admin' fees has been going on for decades. The percentage of donated money actually funding the cause people have donated to can be surprisingly small. Taking all the profits from the book sales isn't that far removed from all those celebrity books and celebrity endorsed products being sold with a promise of a portion of the profits going to charity. We are rarely told just what that portion is and I can't ever recall being told just what the chosen charity received in total.
The Moore's will be vilified on Social media for a few weeks and that will be that. The real issues surrounding the way some of our major charities are run won't be discussed.

[Kato]

This isn't a new thing. Charities operating like big businesses and paying over the top salaries and sky high 'admin' fees has been going on for decades. The percentage of donated money actually funding the cause people have donated to can be surprisingly small. Taking all the profits from the book sales isn't that far removed from all those celebrity books and celebrity endorsed products being sold with a promise of a portion of the profits going to charity. We are rarely told just what that portion is and I can't ever recall being told just what the chosen charity received in total.
The Moore's will be vilified on Social media for a few weeks and that will be that. The real issues surrounding the way some of our major charities are run won't be discussed.Yeah, probably the thin end of the wedge given how many toffs baggsy spots on their boards.

One of Boris's wives, the latest one i think, has a charity for releasing caged animals back into the wild. My bet is that it is a scam.

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[JimBHibees]

Not even close I would imagine to the top 1000 of nastiest people in the UK. In a way it is a victimless crime. The people who gave it still get the virtue and warm feeling of being a good person, the NHS will get some coppers and the family flourish from their dead relative's effort of a few laps round the garden.

Certainly not victimless

[wookie70]

Certainly not victimless Who were the victims.

[Kato]

Who were the victims.Everybody if its legal for charities to be run like that.

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[Just Alf]

Who were the victims.Me... I paid £25 to a good cause thinking it would be going to the NHS (obviously minus essential admin costs) , didn't think it would be used for private swimming pools or house extensions etc

[JimBHibees]

Who were the victims.

The people donating thinking the money was going to charity not someones private swimming pool

[wookie70]

Me... I paid £25 to a good cause thinking it would be going to the NHS (obviously minus essential admin costs) , didn't think it would be used for private swimming pools or house extensions etc They were essential to teh people running the charity. Was it even a charity when it first started

[wookie70]

The people donating thinking the money was going to charity not someones private swimming pool

I'm presuming some went to charity. I don't think they defined or you knew the percentage when your cash was sent. I suspect the vast majorities of charities have money going to individuals that could be described as theft. To me they are no different to other big corporations. They are looking for the biggest profit for shareholders or in Charities cases their Board members and senior executives.

[Jones28]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67342506.amp

The building is to be demolished.

[MKHIBEE]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-67342506.amp

The building is to be demolished.
Correct decision but what a waste of money donated in good faith. They should hang their heads in shame.

[JimBHibees]

Correct decision but what a waste of money donated in good faith. They should hang their heads in shame.

Should be jailed

[MKHIBEE]

Should be jailed
That would be my preferred ending

[MKHIBEE]

That would be my preferred ending


After they have refunded the money spent

[Kato]

Should be jailedMBEs all round then.

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[Bridge hibs]

I watched the Piers Morgan interview with her and her family, well worth the watch (youtube) how many times when questioned her reply was “its what he would have wanted”

Also a documentary coming up on tv called Captain Tom: where did all the money go. Its on channel 5 at 9pm Sunday 12th November

[superfurryhibby]

I'm presuming some went to charity. I don't think they defined or you knew the percentage when your cash was sent. I suspect the vast majorities of charities have money going to individuals that could be described as theft. To me they are no different to other big corporations. They are looking for the biggest profit for shareholders or in Charities cases their Board members and senior executives.

Charities by definition don't have shareholders.

We could definitely look at salaries taken by CEO's and other senior staff in some high profile charities and question them, but I think blanket statement about theft and most charities is way off the mark. There's a whole range of community ventures with charitable status, they no doubt vastly outweigh the more "corporate" charities in numbers.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/what-makes-a-charity-cc4/what-makes-a-charity-cc4#part-2

The above applies to England and Wales, but it gives you the message.

"Charitable purposes
Legal requirement: to be a ‘charitable purpose’ (as defined in the Charities Act) it must:

fall within the descriptions of purposes in the Charities Act (see part 3 of this guide) and
be for the public benefit – the ‘public benefit requirement’ (see part 4 of this guide)
Legal requirement: to be charitable, a purpose must satisfy both of these criteria. The purpose must be certain so that, if necessary, it could be enforced by the court".

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm presuming some went to charity. I don't think they defined or you knew the percentage when your cash was sent. I suspect the vast majorities of charities have money going to individuals that could be described as theft. To me they are no different to other big corporations. They are looking for the biggest profit for shareholders or in Charities cases their Board members and senior executives.

That's a pretty sweeping damning of the charity sector. There over 24,000 in Scotland alone, every one of them subject to regulation and scrutiny.

[wookie70]

That's a pretty sweeping damning of the charity sector. There over 24,000 in Scotland alone, every one of them subject to regulation and scrutiny.

Badly worded, what it was meant to say was "I suspect the vast majorities of charities have money going to individuals that could be described as theft if the case we are talking about is theft."

Lots of CEOs taking huge wages etc with massive sums required just to run the charities. Large percentages of the monies given never goes to the cause as it is swallowed up in running the charity. I suppose the Moore's have just kept their overheads low and managed to reward their senior managers with a bonus for doing so.

[wookie70]

Charities by definition don't have shareholders.

We could definitely look at salaries taken by CEO's and other senior staff in some high profile charities and question them, but I think blanket statement about theft and most charities is way off the mark. There's a whole range of community ventures with charitable status, they no doubt vastly outweigh the more "corporate" charities in numbers.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/what-makes-a-charity-cc4/what-makes-a-charity-cc4#part-2

The above applies to England and Wales, but it gives you the message.

"Charitable purposes
Legal requirement: to be a ‘charitable purpose’ (as defined in the Charities Act) it must:

fall within the descriptions of purposes in the Charities Act (see part 3 of this guide) and
be for the public benefit – the ‘public benefit requirement’ (see part 4 of this guide)
Legal requirement: to be charitable, a purpose must satisfy both of these criteria. The purpose must be certain so that, if necessary, it could be enforced by the court".

I never said charities had shareholders. My point is around the costs of the charities being run and the salaries of senior staff. The Moore's are little different to most charities in that the money that is supposed to go to worthwhile causes is swallowed up by those running the charities.

Do any of those acts prescribed a minimum amount per pound donated that has to go to the cause that it was given for. I know some charities do show this info but every single one should have the guaranteed figure on every bit of advertising they do.

[Pretty Boy]

I never said charities had shareholders. My point is around the costs of the charities being run and the salaries of senior staff. The Moore's are little different to most charities in that the money that is supposed to go to worthwhile causes is swallowed up by those running the charities.

Do any of those acts prescribed a minimum amount per pound donated that has to go to the cause that it was given for. I know some charities do show this info but every single one should have the guaranteed figure on every bit of advertising they do.

I think there are 2 sides to the coin.

I worked for a charity in the past, it was small and local and there were 3 salaried members of staff. When I started the charity used about 72% of it's income on delivering it's charitable activities. By the time I moved on that had increased to 88% despite me taking money out the charity in the form of a salary, in part that was due to the work I did to increase income. I'd argue that my worth to the charity was worth more than the modest salary I received, even more so when you consider I could have earned far more for a comparable role outside the 3rd sector.

On a far larger scale I would use the British Red Cross as an example. They have revenue of almost £450M and of that spend about £380M on their charitable activities. People may well question that £70M that is 'swallowed up'. You have to consider the sheer breadth of work the BRC do though, both as an individual organisation and as part of the International Red Cross and Red Crescent movement. In the most extreme examples they can have bodies on the ground supporting and be diverting money to relevant organisations within hours of a major natural disaster happening or a war breaking out. The sheer logistical challenges of that along with managing their more modest day to day activities requires a skillset and a level of people and project management you just won't get from a team solely made up of willing volunteers.

Of course there is an argument to be made that much of the work charities do should be the responsibility of the state and you'll get little argument from me there. Equally though major international charities are often working in areas in which state infrastructure has often completely collapsed and access to basic healthcare, clean water etc etc just isn't available without the likes of Water Aid or Oxfam stepping in. More locally I volunteered at a local foodbank last year despite the fact I fundamentally disagree with the concept of foodbanks because they just shouldn't have to exist. However policy failure has meant they do exist and whilst it might be noble to say 'I won't give a penny or a food donation to a foodbank because that's the governments job' it doesn't alleviate the problem in the short to medium term, you'll just shift the issue from people relying on foodbanks to people going without food altogether.

I have so many misgvings about the poverty industry but I think the real issue lies in a deep rooted systemic failure rather than with the charities themselves.

[CropleyWasGod]

Badly worded, what it was meant to say was "I suspect the vast majorities of charities have money going to individuals that could be described as theft if the case we are talking about is theft."

Lots of CEOs taking huge wages etc with massive sums required just to run the charities. Large percentages of the monies given never goes to the cause as it is swallowed up in running the charity. I suppose the Moore's have just kept their overheads low and managed to reward their senior managers with a bonus for doing so.

In my experience, that's the exception. The third sector is notorious for low wages and, of course, people working for no money. In over 30 years, I have yet to meet a CEO who wouldn't earn more money elsewhere.

OSCR and the Charities Commission have processes to discourage the bad practices you describe. They're not perfect, but they're better than the headlines suggest. As ever, it's the bad apples such as the Moore situation that colour people's view of the sector as a whole.

[Jones28]

Documentary on now. Not long in and already taking a slightly sinister turn.

[Kato]

Documentary on now. Not long in and already taking a slightly sinister turn."He was the Nations Grandad!"


He wasn't my ******* grandad.

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[Jones28]

"He was the Nations Grandad!"


He wasn't my ******* grandad.

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Aye that can get tae ****.

[Bostonhibby]

"He was the Nations Grandad!"


He wasn't my ******* grandad.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkThat would mean we are related to Hannah and her slippery husband?

Not for me, and I don't imagine they'll be sharing their wee companies profits with the rest of us relatives.

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[Kato]

Aye that can get tae ****."We all bought the book."

"The whole nation"...over and over.

The talking heads on this are delusional.

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[Hiber-nation]

Documentary on now. Not long in and already taking a slightly sinister turn.

I keep turning it on and seeing nothing other then an interview with Piers ******* Morgan so I have to switch back to the darts again.

[Jones28]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68181128

Oh my heart bleeds for them.

[Bostonhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68181128

Oh my heart bleeds for them.Toxic chancers, every so often karma does actually work.

Maybe they should have just jumped onto the Nasty party PPE fast track gravy train and grifted there instead? Less consequences by the looks of it.

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[Kato]

Toxic chancers, every so often karma does actually work.

Maybe they should have just jumped onto the Nasty party PPE fast track gravy train and grifted there instead? Less consequences by the looks of it.

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkWhen they first appeared on TV with the old felly they had a look of a family appearing because they won the pools.

Interviewer: "Tell me your remarkable story!!!!!"

....an auld guy on a zimmer frame.

Remarkable.

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[Pretty Boy]

Look at the house.

Why is it that so many of these shysters desperate to diddle more cash are already evidently wealthy? See also Mone and the trained gorilla that clings onto her arm.

Is it the old adage that people that are rich don't actually believe themselves to be rich? It seems an increasingly common issue. I read something in the Telegraph 'problem' page the other day with a guy bleating that his household income of £140K left him with nothing at the end of the month. He then went on to talk about his children's private education, his mortgage that ran to several thousand pounds, his fleet of cars and 'only' getting 3 holidays a year. That is very much the type who should be told to 'budget better' rather than some poor ******* on minimum wage and in work benefits being talked at and told to make a meal for 30p.

[Bostonhibby]

Look at the house.

Why is it that so many of these shysters desperate to diddle more cash are already evidently wealthy? See also Mone and the trained gorilla that clings onto her arm.

Is it the old adage that people that are rich don't actually believe themselves to be rich? It seems an increasingly common issue. I read something in the Telegraph 'problem' page the other day with a guy bleating that his household income of £140K left him with nothing at the end of the month. He then went on to talk about his children's private education, his mortgage that ran to several thousand pounds, his fleet of cars and 'only' getting 3 holidays a year. That is very much the type who should be told to 'budget better' rather than some poor ******* on minimum wage and in work benefits being talked at and told to make a meal for 30p.Greed, selfishness and lack of empathy and self awareness covers it for most of these types I think.

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[MKHIBEE]

Look at the house.

Why is it that so many of these shysters desperate to diddle more cash are already evidently wealthy? See also Mone and the trained gorilla that clings onto her arm.

Is it the old adage that people that are rich don't actually believe themselves to be rich? It seems an increasingly common issue. I read something in the Telegraph 'problem' page the other day with a guy bleating that his household income of £140K left him with nothing at the end of the month. He then went on to talk about his children's private education, his mortgage that ran to several thousand pounds, his fleet of cars and 'only' getting 3 holidays a year. That is very much the type who should be told to 'budget better' rather than some poor ******* on minimum wage and in work benefits being talked at and told to make a meal for 30p.
And we know which one the present government will do its best to help out.

[MKHIBEE]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68181128

Oh my heart bleeds for them.

I hope the costs of the demolition is paid for by money not associated with any of the charities or foundations they founded.

[lapsedhibee]

That is very much the type who should be told to 'budget better' rather than some poor ******* on minimum wage and in work benefits being talked at and told to make a meal for 30p.

Or something else.

[SHODAN]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-68181128

Oh my heart bleeds for them.

Owned

[speedy_gonzales]

Daughter/son-in-law back in the news again;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy79q7ej49yo

[JimBHibees]

Daughter/son-in-law back in the news again;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy79q7ej49yo

Loving how they are still playing the victim. Why are they not being charged and jailed?

[Bostonhibby]

Loving how they are still playing the victim. Why are they not being charged and jailed?Their sense of entitlement shines through, they really can't see how this looks or accept they might have done something wrong / amoral.

Wonder if anyone else associated with them has been allowed to continue with the charity or be anywhere near the funds?

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[CropleyWasGod]

Loving how they are still playing the victim. Why are they not being charged and jailed?

The Charities Commission inquiry is still going on. It may be, at the end of that, that charges will follow.

[overdrive]

I don’t believe in the afterlife but if there is one, oh to be a fly on the heavenly wall when the daughter meets her dad again.

[Bostonhibby]

I don’t believe in the afterlife but if there is one, oh to be a fly on the heavenly wall when the daughter meets her dad again.Me neither, but if there is one there has to be a chance their paths won't cross?

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[JimBHibees]

Me neither, but if there is one there has to be a chance their paths won't cross?

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Indeed

[Jones28]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86qdq67dd5o

Gosh, who’d have thunk it?

£1.4m in book sales not going to charitable causes.

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c86qdq67dd5o

Gosh, who’d have thunk it?

£1.4m in book sales not going to charitable causes.

I can’t imagine ever buying a book about an old fella walking round his garden. People must have been really really bored during lockdown. [emoji2369]


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[Pretty Boy]

I can’t imagine ever buying a book about an old fella walking round his garden. People must have been really really bored during lockdown. [emoji2369]


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The whole world really did go mad didn't it?

An old guy walking about his garden became a national celebrity, Joe Wicks became moderately less annoying and people wanted an animal torturer who tried to arrange the murder of a rival pardoned by the US President:faf:

[overdrive]

The whole world really did go mad didn't it?

An old guy walking about his garden became a national celebrity, Joe Wicks became moderately less annoying and people wanted an animal torturer who tried to arrange the murder of a rival pardoned by the US President:faf:

I see he's written to Trump again to ask for a pardon.

[Jones28]

I see he's written to Trump again to ask for a pardon.

They'll put him in charge of American DEFRA if he asks nicely enough, or at all.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Compared to greed, Covid was a walk in the park to deal with.

[MKHIBEE]

The daughter seems to having trouble selling their house

https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftrib.al%2FsWtMevp%3Ffbclid%3 DIwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTAAAR0mYIJIOW7ycKRN_j76jngBIaGTnHV g_P8bCJGtW8ySQelmml5pEq0FUPc_aem_WJLjk6QGFAxnRuPk5 8Iieg&h=AT3J3v01HonKYWIkRo0RfYKdwLGi-MbXVTTWQjkbLGThl4VNagJbGKaY4EUaLmquiftBulb5113ElAi 35Ih88XS3S-bUsUoU2Zm2R5dc_jE8K5c45LoS8rIcN_kJHp0oiyjtboEfhw&__tn__=R*F

[Jones28]

What a shame.

Also read in their the foundation is closing down - where will the money go?

What a bunch of *****.

[CropleyWasGod]

What a shame.

Also read in their the foundation is closing down - where will the money go?

What a bunch of *****.

That depends on its constitution. Normally, a charity will have a clause that stipulates what mechanism is in place. A common scenario is that the Board of Trustees decide to donate it to "x charity".

If there have been grants received, any unspent portions would normally be due back to the funder.

[Pretty Boy]

What a shame.

Also read in their the foundation is closing down - where will the money go?

What a bunch of *****.

Tbf to them they have played a part in uniting a divided country.

Literally everyone thinks they are a bunch of total *****.

[Bostonhibby]

Tbf to them they have played a part in uniting a divided country.

Literally everyone thinks they are a bunch of total *****.But like most utter ******s of that entitled background and "class" somehow prosecutions and jail time isn't even on the radar. Incredible

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