Jimmy Carr

[Keith_M]

Dunno if it's already been discussed but he's brought the definition of 'edgy' humour to a new level with his comment about the Sinta and Roma during the Holocaust.

His attempt at defending his comments was probably even worse, where he seemed to be claiming to be shining a light on the forgotten victims of that era.

[Bostonhibby]

If I never seen him again it would he too soon.



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[cabbageandribs1875]

The comments were greeted with applause and laughter from the audience.


how sad for them they thought a comment like that was/is funny

[Keith_M]

The comments were greeted with applause and laughter from the audience.


how sad for them they thought a comment like that was/is funny


:agree:

[The Harp Awakes]

If I never seen him again it would he too soon.



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I'm not a big stand-up comedian fan but I particularly find Jimmy Carr unfunny. Maybe just me :dunno:

[Bostonhibby]

I'm not a big stand-up comedian fan but I particularly find Jimmy Carr unfunny. Maybe just me :dunno:You're not alone

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[Northernhibee]

His autobiography is a brilliant read but there’s a moment in it where he says “if a joke is going to end my career, it’s probably out there “.

I don’t like his stand up at all and think he goes for shock value all too often. I find the difference between the man and persona really quite jarring. Same with Frankie Boyle.

[SteveHFC]

Seen Jimmy Carr live twice and he was brilliant both times.

[Ozyhibby]

He’s not funny. Also a tax dodging dick.


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[500miles]

It's an obvious misdirect and his solemnity regarding Jewish deaths in comparison to GRT deaths reflects a country where we are hyper vigilant about anti semitism, but still persecute, casually hate and run political campaigns against traveller communities.

I find the outrage - very delayed outrage, months later - to be suspect.

[weecounty hibby]

Tax dodging *******. His joke about the slaughter of innocent people, men, women a children was disgraceful. The audience who cheered and clapped are all ****bags a well.

[Killiehibbie]

His stupid laugh is so annoying that the channel gets turned over if he's on.

[hibsbollah]

Travelers are fair game, apparently.

Selective outrage.

[Stairway 2 7]

Jerry Sadowitz has no chance nowadays

[hibsbollah]

Jerry Sadowitz has no chance nowadays

:faf: I was just thinking that. He should really join the Labour Party, do his 1990s act and see how long he lasts.

[Kato]

Jerry Sadowitz has no chance nowadays

Yup. Which given his style along with the likes of Lenny Bruce were actually educational about bigotry is a shame.

[Pretty Boy]

He knew what he was doing.

Because his comment was aimed at Roma and Sinti people he'll still get plenty work in the mainstream. Had it been against a few other groups he almost certainly would not have.

[Kato]

Lenny Bruce used to use this to start his gigs. People attending used to say said it completely levelled the audience to just being people in a room, capable of laughing at each and themselves.

Don't go the link if easily offended.

https://ilpesodellombra.wordpress.com/2015/08/11/lenny-bruce-are-there-any-******s-tonight/

[DH1875]

He knew what he was doing.

Because his comment was aimed at Roma and Sinti people he'll still get plenty work in the mainstream. Had it been against a few other groups he almost certainly would not have.

What about his jokes about Jewish people, Black people, 9/11 etc......hasn't stopped him getting work has it.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

Most comedians will make controversial or edgy jokes. Billy Connolly make one a few years back about the hostage Ken Bigley which people still have a go about. I guess it can be a fine line between being funny and offensive and where do you draw that line. I don't mind Jimmy Carr, especially on TV shows like 8 out of ten cats. His laugh is a bit annoying but I doubt I'd be offended if I went to see one of his shows cause I'd know what to expect from it.

[Keith_M]

Yup. Which given his style along with the likes of Lenny Bruce were actually educational about bigotry is a shame.


'Educational about bigotry' sounds like the same pathetic type of excuse that Carr came out with.


"The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of Roma, we should be grateful". Yeah, that's so funny... and educational at the same time

:aok:

[OldEast]

'Educational about bigotry' sounds like the same pathetic type of excuse that Carr came out with.


"The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of Roma, we should be grateful". Yeah, that's so funny... and educational at the same time

:aok:

He said no one ever talks about the hundreds of thousands of gypsies killed because no one wants to talk about the positives. If you're going to use quotation marks best to get it right.
Not just talking about you here but just looks like another thing for people to find offense at. Some probably haven't even seen it.

[Keith_M]

He said no one ever talks about the hundreds of thousands of gypsies killed because no one wants to talk about the positives. If you're going to use quotation marks best to get it right.
Not just talking about you here but just looks like another thing for people to find offense at. Some probably haven't even seen it.


I know exactly what he said.

If you're going to argue about the essence of what he said, when at least try to make some effort to make it sound not so bad, as you just failed miserably.


Your argument seems to be that anybody can say things that are completely unacceptable as long as it's described as 'edgy'... whereas if anybody points objects, then they're the one with the problem.

Pathetic stuff.

[OldEast]

I know exactly what he said.

If you're going to argue about the essence of what he said, when at least try to make some effort to make it sound not so bad, as you just failed miserably.


Your argument seems to be that anybody can say things that are completely unacceptable as long as it's described as 'edgy'... whereas if anybody points objects, then they're the one with the problem.

Pathetic stuff.

I pointed out you misquoted him then I suggested it was possibly another example of people finding offense at jokes they maybe haven't even seen or heard themselves but are parroting the offense they see online. I'll say again, not talking about you specifically.
For you to introduce utter nonsense about some argument I have, "edgy", "people who object have a problem" when I said nothing like that is pathetic stuff.

[Kato]

'Educational about bigotry' sounds like the same pathetic type of excuse that Carr came out with.


"The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of Roma, we should be grateful". Yeah, that's so funny... and educational at the same time

:aok:



I wasn't talking about Jimmy Carr in my post so no quotes from him necessary. I was talking about Jerry Sadowitz and Lenny Bruce.

There is only one way to turn a bigot into a non bigot - education.

[500miles]

https://youtu.be/crdaGolaBxY

That's the full context of the bit. The joke, the explanation including the point about how various groups are erased from the holocaust, and then finishing with another joke.

The twitter clip is purposely edited to be race baiting, hurtful and provocative without any resolution - and it has been done for clicks and the approval of people decrying Carr for the same thing.

[Hibbyradge]

I haven't seen or heard the actual clip so I can't make an informed comment, but I don't agree with shutting people down who find things offensive.

Comedians can joke about whatever they like, but the audience will decide if they like the material or not.

Had a comedian said that the death of hundreds of thousands of Irish people/Catholics during the famine had a positive side, I'm sure the bigots at Ibrox and their ilk would be rolling in the ailes, but few on this website would be.

Different things are offensive to different people, but sometimes it's not difficult to work out what is likely to offend others and I think that's what happens in cases like this one.

I'm not disabled but I found Trump's mocking of the disabled journalist utterly distasteful and devoid of any human compassion. He was offensive, even if it wasn't directed at me.

I actually don't understand what is supposed to be funny in what Carr said (as I understand it). Why is the slaughter of gypsies a positive?

Unless he was assuming that the audience already had a predudice against gypsiesnin which case it becomes something akin to racism.

[Smartie]

https://youtu.be/crdaGolaBxY

That's the full context of the bit. The joke, the explanation including the point about how various groups are erased from the holocaust, and then finishing with another joke.

The twitter clip is purposely edited to be race baiting, hurtful and provocative without any resolution - and it has been done for clicks and the approval of people decrying Carr for the same thing.

I didn't really think it was much better with context.

I'd like to think that I'm fairly broad-minded and not very easily offended - but there is a line that has to be drawn somewhere.

This just felt to me to be pointlessly controversial. It was like he knew it was going to ruffle more than a few feathers and had it deliberately set up to antagonise.

It also wasn't remotely funny even though I do tend to find Jimmy Carr quite funny at times - especially close to the bone, offensive Jimmy Carr.

I don't know what he's playing at.

[500miles]

I didn't really think it was much better with context.

I'd like to think that I'm fairly broad-minded and not very easily offended - but there is a line that has to be drawn somewhere.

This just felt to me to be pointlessly controversial. It was like he knew it was going to ruffle more than a few feathers and had it deliberately set up to antagonise.

It also wasn't remotely funny even though I do tend to find Jimmy Carr quite funny at times - especially close to the bone, offensive Jimmy Carr.

I don't know what he's playing at.

I think part of the problem is that people see the 30 second clip first, without resolution. Then the full bit becomes an afterthought rather than an entire bit.

When you tell a joke like that, you bait with outrage then withdraw the bait before the bite.

The way the short clip is cut is done because the person who does it knows that the full 2 minutes seriously wouldn't have impact.

I think the editing is far worse than the joke itself.

[Northernhibee]

I didn't really think it was much better with context.

I'd like to think that I'm fairly broad-minded and not very easily offended - but there is a line that has to be drawn somewhere.

This just felt to me to be pointlessly controversial. It was like he knew it was going to ruffle more than a few feathers and had it deliberately set up to antagonise.

It also wasn't remotely funny even though I do tend to find Jimmy Carr quite funny at times - especially close to the bone, offensive Jimmy Carr.

I don't know what he's playing at.

It’s a joke that tests my view on controversial comedy to it’s absolute fullest. It’s not a style of comedy that I really like but shock comedy has its place done right. It can be used to highlight prejudices in society and spark debate.

First of all, I don’t like the joke. It’s opening the door for those who hold those views. I don’t for one second believe that Jimmy Carr holds those views. It will likely have empowered those who hold them though.

I do think of this Ted talk by Daniel Sloss as a lense to view it through.

https://youtu.be/8a-UUhW7-HU

One of the talk radio stations today had someone call up enraged that Jimmy Carr had make a joke about the murder of millions of Jewish people. When the researcher pointed out that it was a joke about travellers the caller said “oh, that’s different then” and hung up.

The joke has caused a discussion and also an outpouring of support from the travelling community that I never thought I would see after decades of anti traveller rhetoric from the mainstream media. It’s brought peoples opinions out into the open. I do think there are a lot of people who would not have realised how many other social, religious or ethnic groups were killed in their hundreds of thousands by the nazi regime and seeing the context he’s given after I’m not sure how I completely feel about it.

I do find some offense in that joke but I do think that he’s tried to use a little thought about prejudice, and shone a light on it to create a joke. That’s the basis of a lot of comedy. Find something that does not add up, twist it, add a punchline.

I do think it’s a terrible joke horrendously and clumsily put together in the extreme. He’s not a comedian I’d go to see anyway, but it’s a lazy joke. I do think that it’s vital that nothing is off limits for a comedian topic wise as comedy can be a way to bring attention to great misjustice in a way that is palatable to a a lot of people.

That doesn’t excuse genuinely bigoted comedians with genuine hate and this comes down to whether you believe or not there is genuine hatred from Jimmy Carr. I have to say that I don’t believe that and he’s tried to take an existing point of ignorance and tried to use existing ignorance and prejudice in society to try and tried to shine a light on it.

With something like that you’d better hope that you’ve put it together in a clever and insightful way and he’s not done that there. It’s a terrible joke. Whoever has posted that joke on social media and removed the context given after for me is also not completely in the right for some extent as clipped in that manner arguably removes what Jimmy Carr explains is his rationale for the joke.

I can’t defend the joke, I do find offense in it, but it’s also something that challenges my view that in order to create genuine discussion and understanding then nothing can be considered off reach for comedians.

[Jones28]

Some interesting debate on the radio today about the joke that did chime with my feelings on it: I was not aware of the extent to which the Roma population was persecuted during the Holocaust and if it wasn’t for this joke I would have had to find out some other way.

It’s an extreme way of getting the point across - and probably is a step over the mark. I don’t really enjoy his stand up, and never have.

The other things is that this is a special comedy show on a platform where you have to actually select the thing you want to watch; it doesn’t just play in the background as if it was terrestrial tv and you’ve left it on. If you don’t like Jimmy Carr why would you pay any attention to a Netflix special?

[Northernhibee]

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/jonathan-pie-jimmy-carr-holocaust-gypsy-joke-very-well-written/

[patch1875]

It wasn’t a ‘shocking comment’ that Jimmy Carr made it was a joke, which he actually explained in the routine.

The fact is called ‘His Dark Material’ is a bit of a giveaway of what your going to get.

Wasn’t a great joke and I’m sure he’s actually crossed the line further with other jokes.

Will all be fine when the government decide what we can laugh at.

[Northernhibee]

It wasn’t a ‘shocking comment’ that Jimmy Carr made it was a joke, which he actually explained in the routine.

The fact is called ‘His Dark Material’ is a bit of a giveaway of what your going to get.

Wasn’t a great joke and I’m sure he’s actually crossed the line further with other jokes.

Will all be fine when the government decide what we can laugh at.

I do think that the punchline to the joke is the combination of ignorance and prejudice of the Roma community and their plight. I'm not sure if it's worded very well but I do think that the person who posted it up online whilst removing the explanation of the joke that made it a little more clear where the punchline of the joke was aimed at is just as bad if they intended to create outrage by removing that bit at the end.

I do think this is an interesting article. https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/feb/07/romas-accuse-government-of-hypocrisy-over-jimmy-carr-joke

[hibsbollah]

I do think that the punchline to the joke is the combination of ignorance and prejudice of the Roma community and their plight. I'm not sure if it's worded very well but I do think that the person who posted it up online whilst removing the explanation of the joke that made it a little more clear where the punchline of the joke was aimed at is just as bad if they intended to create outrage by removing that bit at the end.

I do think this is an interesting article. https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/feb/07/romas-accuse-government-of-hypocrisy-over-jimmy-carr-joke

Unbelievable.

“He said one young Irish traveller told him “no matter what he achieved or where he is in life, as soon as he hears a comment like that it diminishes his progress and he’s back to square one, because it reminds him of everything society thinks about him”.

A recent survey by University of Birmingham researchers found that 44% of people in the UK had negative attitudes towards GRT people, making them the “least liked group”, nearly double the level for Muslims, who were the second group to receive the most prejudice.

[stuart-farquhar]

Unbelievable.

“He said one young Irish traveller told him “no matter what he achieved or where he is in life, as soon as he hears a comment like that it diminishes his progress and he’s back to square one, because it reminds him of everything society thinks about HIM.


A recent survey by University of Birmingham researchers found that 44% of people in the UK had negative attitudes towards GRT people, making them the “least liked group”, nearly double the level for Muslims, who were the second group to receive the most prejudice.

I guess in any league table somebody has to come last.


JOKE!!

[Pretty Boy]

It's interesting the people in the audience were laughing and clapping before his explanation......

[Danderhall Hibs]

Why/how is it anti-Semitic?

[Wilson]

It's interesting the people in the audience were laughing and clapping before his explanation......

What can you infer from that without knowing each member of the audience personally?

On a basic level surely they just turned up to a Jimmy Carr gig, expected him to say something you cannot normally get away with, and he delivered. Laugh and applaud.

At a comedy gig, which let's face it is just an excuse to while away an hour out of the house, does it need to be any deeper than that?

[hibsbollah]

I guess in any league table somebody has to come last.


JOKE!!

That’ll be hearts fans.

[hibsbollah]

Why/how is it anti-Semitic?

Because Jeremy Corbyn told the same joke once.

[lapsedhibee]

https://youtu.be/crdaGolaBxY

That's the full context of the bit. The joke, the explanation including the point about how various groups are erased from the holocaust, and then finishing with another joke.

The twitter clip is purposely edited to be race baiting, hurtful and provocative without any resolution - and it has been done for clicks and the approval of people decrying Carr for the same thing.

When he's explaining why it's such a good joke, what does he say at reason (1) just after he says it's ****ing funny? (I can't make that out.)

[patch1875]

When he's explaining why it's such a good joke, what does he say at reason (1) just after he says it's ****ing funny? (I can't make that out.)

Well done me

[superfurryhibby]

https://youtu.be/crdaGolaBxY

That's the full context of the bit. The joke, the explanation including the point about how various groups are erased from the holocaust, and then finishing with another joke.

The twitter clip is purposely edited to be race baiting, hurtful and provocative without any resolution - and it has been done for clicks and the approval of people decrying Carr for the same thing.

Quite different when given the full context.

[lapsedhibee]

Well done me

:aok:

[AltheHibby]

I do think that the punchline to the joke is the combination of ignorance and prejudice of the Roma community and their plight. I'm not sure if it's worded very well but I do think that the person who posted it up online whilst removing the explanation of the joke that made it a little more clear where the punchline of the joke was aimed at is just as bad if they intended to create outrage by removing that bit at the end.

I do think this is an interesting article. https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2022/feb/07/romas-accuse-government-of-hypocrisy-over-jimmy-carr-joke

Have a look on Twitter at @auschwitzmuseum.

They frequently mention the 'non-Jewish' victims.

[I'm_cabbaged]

Is he not having a dig at the perception of the public in general?

[hibsbollah]

In similarly 'Is he a dick/ not a dick' news, Alan Sugar tweeted under a team photo of the Senegal ANC winning side, 'I recognise some of those faces from the beach at Marbella. Nice resourceful chaps'. There doesn't seem to be any sort of outcry, or 'cancelling' claims, I just think its suddenly okay to pretend like we're in the 1970s and its fair game to reduce people to racial caricatures again :confused: Maybe we could resurface the 'Looky looky man' chant at home games again. ****ing weird times.

[superfurryhibby]

Is he not having a dig at the perception of the public in general?

The irony being that respectable politicians like, ahem, Douglas Ross and his fellow Tories can scapegoat Gypsy-Traveller communities without fear of crucifixion from mainstream media and it's acolytes.

[Mon Dieu4]

In similarly 'Is he a dick/ not a dick' news, Alan Sugar tweeted under a team photo of the Senegal ANC winning side, 'I recognise some of those faces from the beach at Marbella. Nice resourceful chaps'. There doesn't seem to be any sort of outcry, or 'cancelling' claims, I just think its suddenly okay to pretend like we're in the 1970s and its fair game to reduce people to racial caricatures again :confused: Maybe we could resurface the 'Looky looky man' chant at home games again. ****ing weird times.

The man is a total ****, once put a complaint about one of my pals for calling him Sir instead of Lord, true man from humble beginnings

[hibsbollah]

The man is a total ****, once put a complaint about one of my pals for calling him Sir instead of Lord, true man from humble beginnings

sadly his stupid ****img face is in my living room every Wednesday, the Apprentice is a 'must watch' apparently:confused:. his stupid jokes and everyone calling him LORD every time they take breath,,,I cant stand him.

[JimBHibees]

In similarly 'Is he a dick/ not a dick' news, Alan Sugar tweeted under a team photo of the Senegal ANC winning side, 'I recognise some of those faces from the beach at Marbella. Nice resourceful chaps'. There doesn't seem to be any sort of outcry, or 'cancelling' claims, I just think its suddenly okay to pretend like we're in the 1970s and its fair game to reduce people to racial caricatures again :confused: Maybe we could resurface the 'Looky looky man' chant at home games again. ****ing weird times.

That is a shocker that

[Hibrandenburg]

In similarly 'Is he a dick/ not a dick' news, Alan Sugar tweeted under a team photo of the Senegal ANC winning side, 'I recognise some of those faces from the beach at Marbella. Nice resourceful chaps'. There doesn't seem to be any sort of outcry, or 'cancelling' claims, I just think its suddenly okay to pretend like we're in the 1970s and its fair game to reduce people to racial caricatures again :confused: Maybe we could resurface the 'Looky looky man' chant at home games again. ****ing weird times.

I'm not going to go into it again but I mentioned this on another thread. There was a turning point in the late 70's/early 80's where popular culture helped educate against racism and paved the way for alternative comedy. Ben Elton and other comedians/writers pushed an anti racist agenda and old school comics like Manning and Davidson looked like dinosaurs in comparison and open racism was no longer socially acceptable.

Where did it all go wrong? My guess would be that Social Media has enabled bigots and racists to crawl back out from under their stones and emboldened them by allowing them to spout their bile in relative safety.

[lord bunberry]

I actually watched it on Netflix and I remember the joke and I remember doing one of those laughs that you do when you can’t quite believe he said that. I’m a believer that if done properly anything is fair game in comedy. I know a lot of people don’t like this joke, but I believe it’s been done in a way that is just on the right side of the line. Obviously lots of people disagree and that’s fair enough, but I don’t believe Jimmy Carr is a racist, I think he’s an intelligent guy who knows exactly what he’s doing, much like Frankie Boyle.

[He's here!]

I see SNP councillor Julie Mckenzie has called for Carr's audience to be prosecuted for laughing at the joke.

[hibsbollah]

I see SNP councillor Julie Mckenzie has called for Carr's audience to be prosecuted for laughing at the joke.

A councillor? So what? She has literally no power. If the fiscal’s office had said similar I think you’d have cause for concern.

[Since90+2]

I see SNP councillor Julie Mckenzie has called for Carr's audience to be prosecuted for laughing at the joke.

The fact that someone can have that opinion and at the same time hold a relatively important position within society such as a councilor really is scary.

[SteveHFC]

I see SNP councillor Julie Mckenzie has called for Carr's audience to be prosecuted for laughing at the joke.

Wonder if she has seen Frankie Boyle’s old jokes.

[Hibbyradge]

The fact that someone can have that opinion and at the same time hold a relatively important position within society such as a councilor really is scary.

Why is it really scary?

[Hibbyradge]

Carr must have written that joke and, after much consideration, decided that it was so funny that he just had to tell it and have it recorded for posterity.

Whatever you think about what the consequences of him doing so should be, he was very wrong.

It's just not very funny.

[matty_f]

Carr must have written that joke and, after much consideration, decided that it was so funny that he just had to tell it and have it recorded for posterity.

Whatever you think about what the consequences of him doing so should be, he was very wrong.

It's just not very funny.

I didn’t think it was that funny either, but isn’t that part subjective?

[Hibbyradge]

I didn’t think it was that funny either, but isn’t that part subjective?

I suppose so.

I find it hard to understand how he thought it was a good idea/clever/important enough to say that there was an upside to the death of 6 million Jews, though.

Can you imagine anyone saying that no-one considers the positives of Saville's abuse of disabled children? I'm sure that someone could think up a "funny" line, but no comedian in their right mind would say it

[He's here!]

A councillor? So what? She has literally no power. If the fiscal’s office had said similar I think you’d have cause for concern.

I have no concerns, other than perhaps for her glaikitness.

[Smartie]

I have no concerns, other than perhaps for her glaikitness.

It's a quite ridiculous comment tbf.

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's the old debate about whether anything should be off limits to comedy: the Holocaust, other genocides, terrorist attacks, child abuse etc etc? I say no, nothing is off limits, but they key thing is the way the jokes are told and the context they are placed in. I think David Baddiel made a good point during the week: if one is laughing at the absurdity of something as extreme as genocide, that's one thing. However, if you're laughing at the victims, can it ever be funny? Perhaps it can, but it's a difficult thing to achieve. It seems Carr's joke about the genocide of central European travellers was aimed at the victims, which is always going to be problematic. Of course, his joke was in terrible taste, and I don't find the joke or Carr funny, but he has a right to say it. Comedy should always be an art form which challenges the audience and pushes social norms; at times that will mean buttons are pushed. If a comedian gets it wrong, then he or she must then face the backlash; they can't have it both ways. Free speech must also mean the freedom of others to criticise. That isn't 'cancel culture', it's being held accountable for ones actions.

[brianmc]

I'm more or less from the school of thought that says: there's no such thing as a bad joke, only jokes you don't find funny.

For example - Michael MacIntyre, Alan Carr, James Corden and Graham Norton all make my skin crawl - but I would never advocate getting them cancelled. And they're all massively successful.

Opinions - remember when we used to be able to get along despite having different ones??

[Hibrandenburg]

My humour can be extremely dark, there's lots of jokes I've heard that I would never repeat in public but I found them funny, however there is a time and a place for them. It's not just the context of a joke that is in question here but also the audience, how many people heard that joke and laughed because of the absurdity of the holocaust and how many laughed because they thought there was an element of truth in the context? I think in this case the racism is to be found in the ear of the beholder.

[hibsbollah]

I see SNP councillor Julie Mckenzie has called for Carr's audience to be prosecuted for laughing at the joke.

Have you got a link? These comments still havent made any news outlet I can see.

[Hibbyradge]

Have you got a link? These comments still havent made any news outlet I can see.

It's true.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-councillor-mocked-saying-jimmy-26160880.amp



First one I found after searching "Julie Mackenzie SNP Carr"

[hibsbollah]

It's true.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/snp-councillor-mocked-saying-jimmy-26160880.amp



First one I found after searching "Julie Mackenzie SNP Carr"

Fair enough, thats the problem with tweeting before you think, i'd be extremely surprised if she stood by those remarks now and thought they'd be taken literally, its akin to me saying 'the audience laughing at that need a good slap'. Doesnt mean i'm actually calling for corporal punishment for everyone in the hall. The coverage of what Oban councillors say on twitter should really be limited to stuff about potholes and planning applications.

Disclaimer-I have no skin in any game as a non-SNP voter.

[SChibs]

I suppose so.

I find it hard to understand how he thought it was a good idea/clever/important enough to say that there was an upside to the death of 6 million Jews, though.

Can you imagine anyone saying that no-one considers the positives of Saville's abuse of disabled children? I'm sure that someone could think up a "funny" line, but no comedian in their right mind would say it

Have you even seen the clip? He doesn't say there was an upside to the death of 6 million Jews??

[patch1875]

I’m not sure the people who are complaining about this have actually watched the whole show, it’s about pushing the boundaries of dark humour. He tells the jokes in a way that’s not from personal opinion but a carefully constructed show of the art of creating a joke about uncomfortable subjects

I’m not sure that was even the most controversial joke he done.

[500miles]

Fair enough, thats the problem with tweeting before you think, i'd be extremely surprised if she stood by those remarks now and thought they'd be taken literally, its akin to me saying 'the audience laughing at that need a good slap'. Doesnt mean i'm actually calling for corporal punishment for everyone in the hall. The coverage of what Oban councillors say on twitter should really be limited to stuff about potholes and planning applications.

Disclaimer-I have no skin in any game as a non-SNP voter.

Saying they need a slap and that they should be prosecuted are 2 entirely separate things. One is a common turn of phrase for anyone that needs to take a look themselves, the other has an uncomfortably totalitarian feel to it.

The SNP need to be careful, they seem to have a left wing element that are blinded by thier own righteousness. And I say that as someone who considers themselves a lefty, is considered by others to be self righteous, and votes SNP.

And agreed when it comes to councillors. My experience of the is they are largely people who didn't make the cut to become incompetent MSPs and MPs. No wonder we don't devolve more power locally.

[Hibbyradge]

Have you even seen the clip? He doesn't say there was an upside to the death of 6 million Jews??

In my first post I said that I hadn't seen it.

However, if he said that "no-one wants to look at the positives", he's saying that there's an upside to the Holocaust.

[Dalianwanda]

His stupid laugh is so annoying that the channel gets turned over if he's on.

That’s all i can think of when i hear his name. He was right behind me at a Daniel Kitson gig during the festival one year. His annoying cackle for an hour or so.

[SChibs]

In my first post I said that I hadn't seen it.

However, if he said that "no-one wants to look at the positives", he's saying that there's an upside to the Holocaust.

Probably not best to comment on it when you haven't seen the clip itself. How can you form a valid opinion on something you haven't seen? Lots of jokes look offensive when written out and taken out of context

[Hibbyradge]

Probably not best to comment on it when you haven't seen the clip itself. How can you form a valid opinion on something you haven't seen? Lots of jokes look offensive when written out and taken out of context

Am I wrong in what he said?

I've read his words verbatim.

Edit: Against my better judgement, I just watched the clip. "No-one wants to talk about the positives."

[SChibs]

Am I wrong in what he said?

I've read his words verbatim.

Edit: Against my better judgement, I just watched the clip. "No-one wants to talk about the positives."

Yes. You said he made out it was positive that 6 million Jews died, which isn't what he said at all.

[Hibbyradge]

Yes. You said he made out it was positive that 6 million Jews died, which isn't what he said at all.

I never said anything of the sort.

He said that it was terrible that all the Jews were massacred but no-one wanted to talk about the positives implying that they only wanted to talk about the negatives i.e. the Holocaust.

Therefore he's joking that there was a positive to the Holocaust. That positive was the death of the travellers.

To find the positive in something negative is to find the upside. It means the same thing.

If he wasn't saying that there was an upside to the Holocaust, what was the negative that people wanted to talk about instead?

Ach, it's too late for this.

[lord bunberry]

I never said anything of the sort.

He said that it was terrible that all the Jews were massacred but no-one wanted to talk about the positives implying that they only wanted to talk about the negatives i.e. the Holocaust.

Therefore he's joking that there was a positive to the Holocaust. That positive was the death of the travellers.

To find the positive in something negative is to find the upside. It means the same thing.

If he wasn't saying that there was an upside to the Holocaust, what was the negative that people wanted to talk about instead?

Ach, it's too late for this.
He’s 100% saying that the upside to the holocaust is that so many Romany people died, that’s not even up for debate surely? It’s a joke that highlights the perception that a huge amount of people have of the travelling community, for so many people they’re considered **** and lowlife criminals. Whether you like Jimmy Carr or not, I think most people would agree he’s an intelligent guy and he would have thought long and hard about telling that joke.

[Hibbyradge]

He’s 100% saying that the upside to the holocaust is that so many Romany people died, that’s not even up for debate surely? It’s a joke that highlights the perception that a huge amount of people have of the travelling community, for so many people they’re considered **** and lowlife criminals. Whether you like Jimmy Carr or not, I think most people would agree he’s an intelligent guy and he would have thought long and hard about telling that joke.

I agree with you entirely.

I'm certain he did ruminate on whether or not to tell the joke, but while I understand the stated intention of doing so, I'm not convinced it achieves even close to that.

I remember a joke doing the rounds about the London underground bombings: What do you call the tragic death of 56 Londoners in the underground bombings? A start.

Hilarious eh? It's the same gag.

[SChibs]

I never said anything of the sort.

He said that it was terrible that all the Jews were massacred but no-one wanted to talk about the positives implying that they only wanted to talk about the negatives i.e. the Holocaust.

Therefore he's joking that there was a positive to the Holocaust. That positive was the death of the travellers.

To find the positive in something negative is to find the upside. It means the same thing.

If he wasn't saying that there was an upside to the Holocaust, what was the negative that people wanted to talk about instead?

Ach, it's too late for this.

Well you did mate cause this is your quote

"I find it hard to understand how he thought it was a good idea/clever/important enough to say that there was an upside to the death of 6 million Jews, though".

I replied because it was clear you hadn't seen the clip and what you were saying was completely inaccurate

[Hibbyradge]

Well you did mate cause this is your quote

"I find it hard to understand how he thought it was a good idea/clever/important enough to say that there was an upside to the death of 6 million Jews, though".

I replied because it was clear you hadn't seen the clip and what you were saying was completely inaccurate

Ffs, I did not say that Carr said that the death of the Jews was a positive. He clearly didn't. I said that he said there was a positive (an upside) to it, which he clearly did. "No-one looks at the positives". The positives of what?

There's a clear difference between saying that there is an upside to something, compared to saying that thing was, in itself, a positive.

E.g. The upside of petrol prices going up is that people are using their cars less so less pollution. That does not imply that the rise in petrol prices is a positive thing.

Or, the upside of Hibs finishing bottom six is that we won't lose to the rangers, celtc or hearts again. That most certainly does not mean that finishing bottom six is a positive.

[SChibs]

Ffs, I did not say that Carr said that the death of the Jews was a positive. He clearly didn't. I said that he said there was a positive (an upside) to it, which he clearly did. "No-one looks at the positives". The positives of what?

There's a clear difference between saying that there is an upside to something, compared to saying that thing was, in itself, a positive.

E.g. The upside of petrol prices going up is that people are using their cars less so less pollution. That does not imply that the rise in petrol prices is a positive thing.

Or, the upside of Hibs finishing bottom six is that we won't lose to the rangers, celtc or hearts again. That most certainly does not mean that finishing bottom six is a positive.

It just goes to show how a quote taken out of co text can be perceived differently, rightly or wrongly...

[Hibbyradge]

It just goes to show how a quote taken out of co text can be perceived differently, rightly or wrongly...

If you're talking your perception of my comment, you're bang on the money. :wink:

[wookie70]

I agree with you entirely.

I'm certain he did ruminate on whether or not to tell the joke, but while I understand the stated intention of doing so, I'm not convinced it achieves even close to that.

I remember a joke doing the rounds about the London underground bombings: What do you call the tragic death of 56 Londoners in the underground bombings? A start.

Hilarious eh? It's the same gag.

I listened to a debate on the radio and it said in a part of the show he did mention how dangerous the jokes were and that it could be career ending. He knew what he was doing we just don't know why.

I would need to watch the whole show as context is important and he may well be telling the joke as a commentary on how racism against travellers is the last form of acceptable racism and the audience reaction may just prove that. I'm not a great fan of his but his whole show is usually around ripping one thing after the other. I really like Frankie Boyle and he comes out with some outrageous jokes. It is an act after all and those attending know they are going to a show that is probably not for the easily offended. I think comedians need to be able to tell whatever jokes they think are funny and for whatever reason they see fit.

Carr seemed to be aware that he was putting his career on the line and as others have said the flipside is that society has the same right to comment on his joke as he has to tell it and also to stop watching or buying tickets.

Must try and watch the show to see it in the round

[WeeRussell]

His autobiography is a brilliant read but there’s a moment in it where he says “if a joke is going to end my career, it’s probably out there “.

I don’t like his stand up at all and think he goes for shock value all too often. I find the difference between the man and persona really quite jarring. Same with Frankie Boyle.

That’s exactly how I feel about them both too. It’s also the fact that I don’t see any particularly brilliant delivery or timing.. just line after line in the same tone trying to shock/offend folk.

Edgy or close-to-the-bone stuff is alright when it’s actually funny. Causing offence in itself doesn’t qualify as comedy for me.

[brianmc]

That’s exactly how I feel about them both too. It’s also the fact that I don’t see any particularly brilliant delivery or timing.. just line after line in the same tone trying to shock/offend folk.

Edgy or close-to-the-bone stuff is alright when it’s actually funny. Causing offence in itself doesn’t qualify as comedy for me.

Whilst you (and everyone else) are entitled to their opinions - just remember that offence can only ever be taken, not given.

Also, and I'm quoting Ricky Gervais on this (as best I can) there's no such thing as an unfunny comedian - there's only comedians YOU don't find funny.

[WeeRussell]

Whilst you (and everyone else) are entitled to their opinions - just remember that offence can only ever be taken, not given.

Also, and I'm quoting Ricky Gervais on this (as best I can) there's no such thing as an unfunny comedian - there's only comedians YOU don't find funny.

Absolutely - they don’t offend me. I just think their methods are too reliant on the ‘offence factor’ if you will.

And yes, I don’t find them particularly funny. I don’t mean to speak for anyone else, I was purely sharing my own opinion.

I liked Frankie Boyle on mock the week… didn’t think his style transferred to full stand-up shows very well though. I don’t hate Jimmy Carr either, I just don’t think either are outstanding stand-ups.

[brianmc]

Absolutely - they don’t offend me. I just think their methods are too reliant on the ‘offence factor’ if you will.

And yes, I don’t find them particularly funny. I don’t mean to speak for anyone else, I was purely sharing my own opinion.

I liked Frankie Boyle on mock the week… didn’t think his style transferred to full stand-up shows very well though. I don’t hate Jimmy Carr either, I just don’t think either are outstanding stand-ups.

^^like

I appreciate your response to my post.
It's refreshing to read someone who simply has a different point of view make their point. Instead of the usual
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