Option to Buy

[King Cosell]

If Jasper is excellent for us, it's clear he's a top talent worth big bucks and other clubs want him in the summer, do we pay agreed fee and other clubs have to deal with us? Fulham can't change their minds, can they? Got a feeling in my water he'll start on Saturday and be really, really good.

[brianmc]

Surely agreed means agreed?
If he's decent we pay it and if he's not we don't, meaning he's free to leave.

[Souter96Mac]

Yeah, it may depend on the deal, but Fulham won't have any say if we want to try and sign him. However Jasper would still need to agree a deal with us I believe

[Billy Whizz]

Has he been playing recently and regularly at Colchester

[bingo70]

Has he been playing recently and regularly at Colchester

Yeah.

He was a regular there and very popular by all accounts.

[Billy Whizz]

Yeah.

He was a regular there and very popular by all accounts.

Left or right footed

[California-Hibs]

I'm very very excited about this guy! Think he could be the real deal

[Big_Franck]

Left or right footed

Right footed.

[danhibees1875]

The Kamberi law.

[Hibee Mac]

I have a good feeling about this one

[cameronw-hfc]

Option to buy will almost always mean everything is agreed if we want to turn in permanent(with the club). We still need to negotiate with the player.

[King Cosell]

Yeah, it may depend on the deal, but Fulham won't have any say if we want to try and sign him. However Jasper would still need to agree a deal with us I believe

Or maybe we just pay him what he was getting at Fulham.

[Irish_Steve]

For only two letters it's a mighty big word, if.

[King Cosell]

Option to buy will almost always mean everything is agreed if we want to turn in permanent(with the club). We still need to negotiate with the player.

That's not everything agreed. What if QPR or Millwall offer more than we're prepared to pay? Surely we pay him what he was getting at Fulham?

[seanshow]

Also after just a few games, Rocky looks like the central defender we've needed for a long long time! I'd be starting the talks now.

I'd go further and suggest it's Bushiri and one other in central defence, if we are playing 4 at the back.

[evy]

That's not everything agreed. What if QPR or Millwall offer more than we're prepared to pay? Surely we pay him what he was getting at Fulham?

QPR or Millwall would only be able to come in for him if we fail to agree personal terms with him. They can't do anything until we/he has walked away from negotiations. That's my take on things anyway.

[evy]

Also after just a few games, Rocky looks like the central defender we've needed for a long long time! I'd be starting the talks now.

I'd go further and suggest it's Bushiri and one other in central defence, if we are playing 4 at the back.

Been saying it since Tuesday night, he reminds me so much of Efe. Classy player, but will have the bombscare moments like the back pass. Get him signed up.

[GreenPJ]

Been saying it since Tuesday night, he reminds me so much of Efe. Classy player, but will have the bombscare moments like the back pass. Get him signed up.

I like Rocky but he is no Efe in terms of ability. Am sure he will be good for us but once Clarke and Hanlon are fit and whilst Ryan is still here he will be on the bench.

[Gmack7]

I like Rocky but he is no Efe in terms of ability. Am sure he will be good for us but once Clarke and Hanlon are fit and whilst Ryan is still here he will be on the bench.

I agree with this, while he has had a good start he needs to work on heading, not very convincing on Tuesday

[JimBHibees]

Has he been playing recently and regularly at Colchester

Yes he has. A highlights clip of him and also an interview on hibs tv you tube below. To me looks very promising very direct and skilful.

https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCXKLs14yjDc5s7GJ1txkWxw

[JimBHibees]

I'm very very excited about this guy! Think he could be the real deal

Tend to agree looks exciting

[FitbaFolkKen]

I would expect that personal terms will have been agreed in advance too. Otherwise, it would be a bit silly of the club to announce having the option to buy as if he does incredibly well then goes elsewhere the club would get pilloried for not taking up the option.

[Cat Stanton]

Tend to agree looks exciting

Not trying to be funny or hibs.net-esque confrontational, but are you just basing that on the video, or have you heard stuff about him?

Just asking as I had never heard of him, and I'm always wary of video highlights - I think I could be made to look exciting and I'm really not! I also feared the very last minute nature of the deal may have been a sign of desperation. But that's a complete guess and I know nothing about the player nor how long Hibs had been interested in him.

All that said, I hope you're right obviously!

[Centre Hawf]

That's not everything agreed. What if QPR or Millwall offer more than we're prepared to pay? Surely we pay him what he was getting at Fulham?

If we have an option to buy it usually will mean we have agreed a price with Fulham to make it permanent (lets say for arguments sake its £300k). If at the end of the season we think the guy is sensational and we want him then all we have to do is offer the £300k to start contract negotiations with him and Fulham can't do anything about it. They're free to accept bids from other teams for more or less than £300k. They just cannot reject our bid.

Jasper still has to agree terms with us either way I believe and us bidding that £300k does not guarantee he wants or will stay up here. He could easily decide to stay at Fulham or take someone else up.

[Hibee Mac]

Not trying to be funny or hibs.net-esque confrontational, but are you just basing that on the video, or have you heard stuff about him?

Just asking as I had never heard of him, and I'm always wary of video highlights - I think I could be made to look exciting and I'm really not! I also feared the very last minute nature of the deal may have been a sign of desperation. But that's a complete guess and I know nothing about the player nor how long Hibs had been interested in him.

All that said, I hope you're right obviously!The last minute nature of the deal doesn't mean we haven't had tabs on him for a while. I can only base my opinion on one game I've seen the guy play, but if it's anything to go by this guy has something about him.

I think he's going to be a shrewd bit of business and one we'll be keen to keep by the end of the season.

[Stanton Spence]

If we have an option to buy it usually will mean we have agreed a price with Fulham to make it permanent (lets say for arguments sake its £300k). If at the end of the season we think the guy is sensational and we want him then all we have to do is offer the £300k to start contract negotiations with him and Fulham can't do anything about it. They're free to accept bids from other teams for more or less than £300k. They just cannot reject our bid.

Jasper still has to agree terms with us either way I believe and us bidding that £300k does not guarantee he wants or will stay up here. He could easily decide to stay at Fulham or take someone else up.I think your correct mate and I'm sure it's the same deal with Rocky?

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[King Cosell]

If we have an option to buy it usually will mean we have agreed a price with Fulham to make it permanent (lets say for arguments sake its £300k). If at the end of the season we think the guy is sensational and we want him then all we have to do is offer the £300k to start contract negotiations with him and Fulham can't do anything about it. They're free to accept bids from other teams for more or less than £300k. They just cannot reject our bid.

Jasper still has to agree terms with us either way I believe and us bidding that £300k does not guarantee he wants or will stay up here. He could easily decide to stay at Fulham or take someone else up.

If what you're saying is correct, the option to buy is worthless. If other clubs are offering bigger bids/contracts, he can reject our terms and can go elsewhere.

[Ronniekirk]

I'm very very excited about this guy! Think he could be the real deal

David Dickinson might have something to say about that[emoji12]


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[Since452]

If they do well Rocky and Jasper will be here next season. If not they won't be. Down to them.

[Hibs07p]

I would expect that personal terms will have been agreed in advance too. Otherwise, it would be a bit silly of the club to announce having the option to buy as if he does incredibly well then goes elsewhere the club would get pilloried for not taking up the option.


If what you're saying is correct, the option to buy is worthless. If other clubs are offering bigger bids/contracts, he can reject our terms and can go elsewhere.

Totally agree, it is a pointless excercise to publicise it unless everything is agreed. IMO, the player is not only trying to prove he's a good player, but also trying to earn a new permanent contract with us, and I think that could possibly be a minimum of 1 year. Remember back in the day Didier Agathe, we lost him to Celtc after 6 months (?), I'm sure lessons have been learned, since that episode. If it was only a loan, it would be publicised as only a loan. Unless someone ITK can convince me otherwise, I'm pretty confident he will be at ER next season if we want him.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[MWHIBBIES]

Personal terms probably are agreed but not signed. If Hibs trigger the option he can chose to accept or reject those terms. If he hears from his agent that x club is offering double his wages and Fulham accept their bid, he'll go there instead.

[JimBHibees]

Not trying to be funny or hibs.net-esque confrontational, but are you just basing that on the video, or have you heard stuff about him?

Just asking as I had never heard of him, and I'm always wary of video highlights - I think I could be made to look exciting and I'm really not! I also feared the very last minute nature of the deal may have been a sign of desperation. But that's a complete guess and I know nothing about the player nor how long Hibs had been interested in him.

All that said, I hope you're right obviously!

Pretty much the video :greengrin

Just liked the directness of his play and the way he ran with the ball looked like he made good decisions also. Of course it is a snapshot but liked what I saw also looked a bit more physical than some of our other buys which he would have needed playing league 2 and will help in our league. Colchester fans seemed to rate him, he will have been coached well at Fulham and also didn't realise he came on against Man City for Fulham in FA cup couple of years back though only for 10 mins or so. His interview he compared the sort of style of play to Neymar and Hazard which I think one of the red tops have picked up on. :greengrin Hope he gets some game time tomorrow.

[CockneyRebel]

Personal terms probably are agreed but not signed. If Hibs trigger the option he can chose to accept or reject those terms. If he hears from his agent that x club is offering double his wages and Fulham accept their bid, he'll go there instead.

I don't know the true story, obviously, but just going by the Kamberi deal and the press reports I was left feeling that things were different from your summary. We had agreed a loan with an option to buy Kamberi at the end of that loan for an agreed price. The loan was very successful so we offered the agreed sum and he became our player. The reports I read also intimated that his club tried to wriggle out of this deal as they had been offered more by at least one other club due to his performance during his loan spell. So if other clubs had offered more than we had agreed then his club would have taken it if possible under the terms of the deal. So I believe that they were unable to accept bigger offers and had to bite the bullet. If Kamberi had the option to turn down our pay terms then surely the other teams wanting him would only have to offer more money and the whole deal collapses. This guesswork on my part would suggest to me that terms had already been agreed with the player as part of the deal so everything was locked in nice and tight. If the selling club can accept a bigger offer for the player or if the player can scupper the deal by taking up better terms with another club.......what is the point of an option to buy at an agreed price? Surely if wages are not agreed before hand with the player/agent then the whole agreement isn't an agreement at all and just a pointless exercise. I have no more knowledge of the ins and outs of contracts/wages/loan deals etc than the average punter and I am certainly not implying that your summary is wrong. I just feel that if the details are as loose as you say then what benefit do these types of deal offer? - just that a set price at the end of a successful loan period would mean that his performance would/could not put the buying price up?

[Since452]

I don't know the true story, obviously, but just going by the Kamberi deal and the press reports I was left feeling that things were different from your summary. We had agreed a loan with an option to buy Kamberi at the end of that loan for an agreed price. The loan was very successful so we offered the agreed sum and he became our player. The reports I read also intimated that his club tried to wriggle out of this deal as they had been offered more by at least one other club due to his performance during his loan spell. So if other clubs had offered more than we had agreed then his club would have taken it if possible under the terms of the deal. So I believe that they were unable to accept bigger offers and had to bite the bullet. If Kamberi had the option to turn down our pay terms then surely the other teams wanting him would only have to offer more money and the whole deal collapses. This guesswork on my part would suggest to me that terms had already been agreed with the player as part of the deal so everything was locked in nice and tight. If the selling club can accept a bigger offer for the player or if the player can scupper the deal by taking up better terms with another club.......what is the point of an option to buy at an agreed price? Surely if wages are not agreed before hand with the player/agent then the whole agreement isn't an agreement at all and just a pointless exercise. I have no more knowledge of the ins and outs of contracts/wages/loan deals etc than the average punter and I am certainly not implying that your summary is wrong. I just feel that if the details are as loose as you say then what benefit do these types of deal offer? - just that a set price at the end of a successful loan period would mean that his performance would/could not put the buying price up?

:agree: Sunderland tried to offer more than the fee wee agreed for Kamberi at the end of his loan. His club were obliged to accept our offer and Sunderland couldn't do anything about it.

[Centre Hawf]

:agree: Sunderland tried to offer more than the fee wee agreed for Kamberi at the end of his loan. His club were obliged to accept our offer and Sunderland couldn't do anything about it.

Sunderland could have had a bid accepted by his club as well. It just would have been much higher than ours.

[hibee-boys]

You’d think Hibs in this situation could be fairly generous with our pay offer on the premise that we’re only going to take up the offer if he’s performed well, and if he has, he’ll be worth a good contract and could be sold at a profit if need be to recover the outlay. The player has the motivation to perform here knowing the contract that awaits🤔

[CockneyRebel]

You’d think Hibs in this situation could be fairly generous with our pay offer on the premise that we’re only going to take up the offer if he’s performed well, and if he has, he’ll be worth a good contract and could be sold at a profit if need be to recover the outlay. The player has the motivation to perform here knowing the contract that awaits🤔


Very good points :aok:

[number9dream]

Not all arrangements will be worded the same way, but Oostende paid the pre-agreed fee to Celtic for Jack Hendry then almost immediately sold him on for a big profit to Bruges.
Rocky looks like the real deal already considering he hasn't played much at all over the past few years. Hopefully, we'll see some of Jasper tomorrow. Our forward line could do with some pace now Boyle is gone.

[scoopyboy]

My interpretation is fee and wages have been agreed, if Hibs want to sign him we can.

It could be the case however we buy him and then sell him right away.

Skacel was like that with Hertz. They took up the option but sold him to Southampton right away.

[Blocks Biloxi]

Fulham's youth academy has produced some absolute gems in recent years... Harvey Elliott, the Sessegnons, Fabio Carvalho, Emerson Hyndman... :duck:

Let's hope he's somewhere around that level!

[MWHIBBIES]

My interpretation is fee and wages have been agreed, if Hibs want to sign him we can.

It could be the case however we buy him and then sell him right away.

Skacel was like that with Hertz. They took up the option but sold him to Southampton right away.

They might've been agreed, but nothing has been signed. He could refuse us.

[The 90+2]

Totally agree, it is a pointless excercise to publicise it unless everything is agreed. IMO, the player is not only trying to prove he's a good player, but also trying to earn a new permanent contract with us, and I think that could possibly be a minimum of 1 year. Remember back in the day Didier Agathe, we lost him to Celtc after 6 months (?), I'm sure lessons have been learned, since that episode. If it was only a loan, it would be publicised as only a loan. Unless someone ITK can convince me otherwise, I'm pretty confident he will be at ER next season if we want him.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016


Agathe was 2 months. Gone before 6-2. We couldn't afford anything near what Celtic gave him.

I always wonder about these loans to buy though, what happens if another club want the player and offer treble our offer? Is the player obliged to sign for us on shanner money?

[CockneyRebel]

They might've been agreed, but nothing has been signed. He could refuse us.

Just asking......why would the buying club agree a wage with the player but the player doesn't sign up to it? What would be the point in agreeing it? In that scenario an option to buy is pretty meaningless.

[The 90+2]

Just asking......why would the buying club agree a wage with the player but the player doesn't sign up to it? What would be the point in agreeing it?


He could agree to it then get offered crazy wages in 3 months time elsewhere?

[Juniper Greens]

Totally agree, it is a pointless excercise to publicise it unless everything is agreed. IMO, the player is not only trying to prove he's a good player, but also trying to earn a new permanent contract with us, and I think that could possibly be a minimum of 1 year. Remember back in the day Didier Agathe, we lost him to Celtc after 6 months (?), I'm sure lessons have been learned, since that episode. If it was only a loan, it would be publicised as only a loan. Unless someone ITK can convince me otherwise, I'm pretty confident he will be at ER next season if we want him.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

Often there is actually an exclusivity period. For instance, with Kamberi, Sunderland were willing to pay more for him, but he could only sign for us during that window, unless we decided we didn't want him. Similar to hendry moving clubs twice in the summer

[CockneyRebel]

He could agree to it then get offered crazy wages in 3 months time elsewhere?

That's why he would need to sign or there is no agreement other than his cost to buy. So we could develop a player and then lose him to a bigger wage offer so it would be just like an ordinary loan deal.

[Hibs07p]

Often there is actually an exclusivity period. For instance, with Kamberi, Sunderland were willing to pay more for him, but he could only sign for us during that window, unless we decided we didn't want him. Similar to hendry moving clubs twice in the summer

So, in effect, under those set of circumstances, he would have to sign for us, under the terms agreed, and any club interested in him during the window, would have to offer us a suitable offer to buy him.

GGTTH
Scottish Cup Winners 2016

[davhibby]

My interpretation is fee and wages have been agreed, if Hibs want to sign him we can.

It could be the case however we buy him and then sell him right away.

Skacel was like that with Hertz. They took up the option but sold him to Southampton right away.

Oostende done it with Jack Hendry in the summer and made something like £6 million in 2 months