Patience

[Key West]

It is far too early to judge Sean Maloney and the new signings though in my opinion I feel this season may become too experimental and the danger is this obsession with trying to implement a playing style that replicates the successful elite clubs at the top of the spectrum, we don’t have the personel that are sophisticated enough to do this, we need to play to the strengths of the players, a formation that suits the team and a sense of balance between defence, midfield and attack, we are not competing in the Premiership or La Liga.
There are I believe a lot of decent players to choose from and in my time I have seen a lot worse, the fans need to be patient, yesterday the negative moans and groans started pretty early, of course there was a sense of frustration but it wasn’t Bayern Munich v Livingston and Rangers found it tough to beat them recently, having watched the highlights of the World Select beating Motherwell yesterday it was hardly stuff that would suggest an inevitable defeat on Tuesday. A win in our next game won’t turn us into World Club Champions either it will just be another step in a process.

[Carheenlea]

I feel like I’ve been asked to be patient for a large chunk of the 40 odd years I’ve been watching Hibs.

[Key West]

So do I but other teams also have ambitions and unless a club spends a significant amount of money then there won’t be much difference between all the teams in terms of quality. I don’t have any other answers otherwise.

[ThisIsTheYear]

Of course he needs time. But if he loses on Tuesday a big chunk of fans will turn on him and makes the job even more difficult.
Massive game he really needs to win to give him time to get his ideas over to players and fans

[Keith_M]

If we can show patience, then maybe Maloney can show a bit of flexibility instead of being 100% determined to fit the current players into his style of play, no matter what.

[Key West]

If we can show patience, then maybe Maloney can show a bit of flexibility instead of being 100% determined to fit the current players into his style of play, no matter what.

Agree.

[Since452]

Patience doesn't work for me now. The club obviously thought a change of direction was the best thing to do so I want to see improvements. It's over to them.

[Keith_M]

Agree.


:aok:

[MWHIBBIES]

Patience doesn't work for me now. The club obviously thought a change of direction was the best thing to do so I want to see improvements. It's over to them.

Agreed. If we were going to have patience and take a hit short term, we should have done it with the proven manager, not the one who has proven zero. The club thinks they've upgraded in manager, so let's see it Hibs.

[bingo70]

If we can show patience, then maybe Maloney can show a bit of flexibility instead of being 100% determined to fit the current players into his style of play, no matter what.

He changed the system yesterday to get Nisbet and Doidge up front together?

Previous weeks we played a 3-4-3, yesterday it was 3-5-2.

[bingo70]

Agreed. If we were going to have patience and take a hit short term, we should have done it with the proven manager, not the one who has proven zero. The club thinks they've upgraded in manager, so let's see it Hibs.

6 games he’s had.

[Since452]

Agreed. If we were going to have patience and take a hit short term, we should have done it with the proven manager, not the one who has proven zero. The club thinks they've upgraded in manager, so let's see it Hibs.

Correct.

[Keith_M]

He changed the system yesterday to get Nisbet and Doidge up front together?

Previous weeks we played a 3-4-3, yesterday it was 3-5-2.


That was definitely a positive, Bingo, but the problem is that the overall system he wants us to play just isn't working.

There seems to be a determination to continually play the ball out to the wings, especially when we're in attack... even if it's not the most sensible option. There was quite a few occasions in the first half when one of our players had the ball right in front of the penalty box, with options to pass it directly forward or take a shot themselves, but instead passed it out wide, and it all came to nothing.

Sometimes the direct approach is a better option, as Livi showed with their first goal, so pragmatism is required.

[MWHIBBIES]

6 games he’s had.

By this time next week, he'll have had 8. 3 in a row of them at home. He's already lost to the lowest of the 3 sides (before yesterday).

I'm fully behind him when the matches are on, but yesterday was dreadful. 2nd half was genuinely as bad as we've been in years. No shape, no fight, just chucking random forwards on. It was *****.

This isn't like fenlon or stubbs who inherited a shambles and needed time. He inherited a side who were in a final and finished 3rd last season. He should be building a squad around the quality we have and not signing dozens of players to fit his ideas. This style is not at all fit for the guys we have

[Leith Green]

Whilst im not happy with what I’ve witnessed so far this year under Maloney, i also recognise that he has inherited a non existent midfield, and a striker who is misfiring. I do think that Maloney needs to change his philosophies until he has the players with ability to play that way.

[Green_one]

A new manager can either win or show in the performance that things are improving. I am not seeing either.

The new players need a little time but they will not get it when we are losing. That situation becomes mutually destructive. That is not a fan issue.

Let’s face it. The best we can hope for on Tuesday is a draw. If we lose and then face an improving St Mirren then any cry for patience during a potential third home defeat in virtually a week will be laughable. The guy needs to get this team to create and score goals, not pass endlessly in our own half.

[Stokesy's on fire]

I feel like I’ve been asked to be patient for a large chunk of the 40 odd years I’ve been watching Hibs.

This

We have been building for the future for about 25 years

[Greenbeard]

That was definitely a positive, Bingo, but the problem is that the overall system he wants us to play just isn't working.

There seems to be a determination to continually play the ball out to the wings, especially when we're in attack... even if it's not the most sensible option. There was quite a few occasions in the first half when one of our players had the ball right in front of the penalty box, with options to pass it directly forward or take a shot themselves, but instead passed it out wide, and it all came to nothing.

Sometimes the direct approach is a better option, as Livi showed with their first goal, so pragmatism is required.
That's my take. First two games under Maloney the opposition didn't counter it well enough. Now we've become predictable again. Playing wide is great but you must have options i.e. penetrating through the middle and we don't seem to be able to do that just now. I was going to say we can't do that well enough just now but decided to drop "well enough".

[Dalianwanda]

Agreed. If we were going to have patience and take a hit short term, we should have done it with the proven manager, not the one who has proven zero. The club thinks they've upgraded in manager, so let's see it Hibs.

Let’s see it but your not getting time to implement it…..Doesn’t stack up.

[MWHIBBIES]

Let’s see it but your not getting time to implement it…..Doesn’t stack up.

My posts on a forum don't dictate what actually happens. He'll actually be given time, potentially too much, because he's Ron and Ben's first appointment and their grand plan.

He'll get my full support when he's here.

[GreenCastle]

Patience doesn't work for me now. The club obviously thought a change of direction was the best thing to do so I want to see improvements. It's over to them.

Harsh reality. He’s been brought in for instant improvements - not months of transition and experiments / youth projects in the transfer market.

Still supporting Maloney of course but the team needs improved and quickly - the transfer window is still open so let’s make some moves.

[Since452]

By this time next week, he'll have had 8. 3 in a row of them at home. He's already lost to the lowest of the 3 sides (before yesterday).

I'm fully behind him when the matches are on, but yesterday was dreadful. 2nd half was genuinely as bad as we've been in years. No shape, no fight, just chucking random forwards on. It was *****.

This isn't like fenlon or stubbs who inherited a shambles and needed time. He inherited a side who were in a final and finished 3rd last season. He should be building a squad around the quality we have and not signing dozens of players to fit his ideas. This style is not at all fit for the guys we have

I blame the club as much as Maloney. I actually feel a little bit sorry for Shaun. He's been employed to do this. Why on earth have the club not had the foresight to see that we just needed a bit of tweaking? We had very good foundations. Why have we decided to go down this route now? Ripping up the script and starting again half way through a season? Has anyone said actually this might not be the best idea? Did anyone say sending us into a cup final without a manager maybe wasn't a good idea? That worries me more than anything. Rudderless.

[Borderhibbie76]

There is a real toxic atmosphere at Easter Rd these days, I had the misfortune to have 4 20 or so year old behind me in East yesterday, they verbally abused our entire team from start to finish - the language was atrocious. I won't even start with the names they were calling Maloney, and one of them loudly booed everything from 2 2 onwards - I wish these "fans" just wouldn't bother coming tbh. Its making me consider whether I want to buy a ST next year, just not an enjoyable atmosphere. I went to watch my local junior side last weekend and the atmosphere was better and less toxic

[hibsbollah]

It is far too early to judge Sean Maloney and the new signings though in my opinion I feel this season may become too experimental and the danger is this obsession with trying to implement a playing style that replicates the successful elite clubs at the top of the spectrum, we don’t have the personel that are sophisticated enough to do this, we need to play to the strengths of the players, a formation that suits the team and a sense of balance between defence, midfield and attack, we are not competing in the Premiership or La Liga.
There are I believe a lot of decent players to choose from and in my time I have seen a lot worse, the fans need to be patient, yesterday the negative moans and groans started pretty early, of course there was a sense of frustration but it wasn’t Bayern Munich v Livingston and Rangers found it tough to beat them recently, having watched the highlights of the World Select beating Motherwell yesterday it was hardly stuff that would suggest an inevitable defeat on Tuesday. A win in our next game won’t turn us into World Club Champions either it will just be another step in a process.

Completely agree. I really don’t get the ‘I really don’t get what he’s trying to do’ comments. It’s evident what he’s trying to do. If you want to create spaces in the defence you have to work it wide to create space first. ‘Get it in the ****ing box!’ doesn’t work if you are outnumbered in those positions. Fans don’t want to see that with ten minutes to go though, it’s not in the national football culture. We’d rather see blood and sweat.

[hibsbollah]

There is a real toxic atmosphere at Easter Rd these days, I had the misfortune to have 4 20 or so year old behind me in East yesterday, they verbally abused our entire team from start to finish - the language was atrocious. I won't even start with the names they were calling Maloney, and one of them loudly booed everything from 2 2 onwards - I wish these "fans" just wouldn't bother coming tbh. Its making me consider whether I want to buy a ST next year, just not an enjoyable atmosphere. I went to watch my local junior side last weekend and the atmosphere was better and less toxic

My son and I had exactly the same experience. Two boys steaming and abusing everyone all game, drinking Bacardi out of a can (Bacardi? WTF) abusing Nisbet (who they seemed to miss was our best player first half) Macey and Rocky (Youre ***** n’aw Rocky!’. Sadly the season ticket does not include a ‘no fannies area’ promise.

[Springbank]

It is far too early to judge Sean Maloney and the new signings though in my opinion I feel this season may become too experimental and the danger is this obsession with trying to implement a playing style that replicates the successful elite clubs at the top of the spectrum, we don’t have the personel that are sophisticated enough to do this, we need to play to the strengths of the players, a formation that suits the team and a sense of balance between defence, midfield and attack, we are not competing in the Premiership or La Liga.
There are I believe a lot of decent players to choose from and in my time I have seen a lot worse, the fans need to be patient, yesterday the negative moans and groans started pretty early, of course there was a sense of frustration but it wasn’t Bayern Munich v Livingston and Rangers found it tough to beat them recently, having watched the highlights of the World Select beating Motherwell yesterday it was hardly stuff that would suggest an inevitable defeat on Tuesday. A win in our next game won’t turn us into World Club Champions either it will just be another step in a process.

I have good news for you.

I will not be staying in my seat to moan at the players after the tenth minute on Tuesday, because, by then, I expect it to be 0-2 already.

I'll be heading home and you and your manager can suffer the rest of the night without me

[SlickShoes]

I feel like I’ve been asked to be patient for a large chunk of the 40 odd years I’ve been watching Hibs.

So why should this time be different? This is the type of club hibs are always going to be unless we are bought by someone who has the entire wealth of a country behind them.

If we do well bigger clubs take those players and managers, if we do badly we clear out and start again. This is the reality.

I want hibs to do well and win things but my expectations don’t seem to be as high as some others, our history in modern times suggest the outliers are the years we do well the normality is mid table struggling and transition.

[Jim44]

If we can show patience, then maybe Maloney can show a bit of flexibility instead of being 100% determined to fit the current players into his style of play, no matter what.

Absolutely. He needs to compromise with what he wants and what he has. Stubbornness could be his downfall.

[SlickShoes]

I have good news for you.

I will not be staying in my seat to moan at the players after the tenth minute on Tuesday, because, by then, I expect it to be 0-2 already.

I'll be heading home and you and your manager can suffer the rest of the night without me

Why even go?

[Borderhibbie76]

My son and I had exactly the same experience. Two boys steaming and abusing everyone all game, drinking Bacardi out of a can (Bacardi? WTF) abusing Nisbet (who they seemed to miss was our best player first half) Macey and Rocky (Youre ***** n’aw Rocky!’. Sadly the season ticket does not include a ‘no fannies area’ promise.

It's horrific mate and feels worse than ever - maybe not used to it after the Covid years but it's an horrible atmosphere it really is

[Mick O'Rourke]

This

We have been building for the future for about 25 years
The best opportunity missed in my time was The Tornadoes .
Oh,if only Turnbull had not "lost it" after the Hadjuk Split game.
That and his obsession with Jock Stein.
Dismantling the Tornadoes was criminal.

Oh, and i told him that to his face years later .....He agreed !!

Que Sera Sera !

Herriot
Brownlie Schaedler
Stanton Black Blackley
Edwards O'Rourke Gordon Cropley Duncan

[B.H.F.C]

As soon as you see the word patience you know we’re in trouble.

Maloney can’t really be judged as he’s stuck with some amount of crap. We are absolutely characterless.

[MWHIBBIES]

As soon as you see the word patience you know we’re in trouble.

Maloney can’t really be judged as he’s stuck with some amount of crap. We are absolutely characterless.

He seriously isn't stuck with some amount of crap. This side has reached the last 2 cup finals and finished 3rd last season. Hes got a good squad and hes added 5 players. Thats not a good enough excuse.

[The Modfather]

By this time next week, he'll have had 8. 3 in a row of them at home. He's already lost to the lowest of the 3 sides (before yesterday).

I'm fully behind him when the matches are on, but yesterday was dreadful. 2nd half was genuinely as bad as we've been in years. No shape, no fight, just chucking random forwards on. It was *****.

This isn't like fenlon or stubbs who inherited a shambles and needed time. He inherited a side who were in a final and finished 3rd last season. He should be building a squad around the quality we have and not signing dozens of players to fit his ideas. This style is not at all fit for the guys we have

He inherited a squad that still has all of the issues that got Ross sacked. We were a one man team and have now sold that one player who papered over so many cracks.

Maloney hasn’t even had 1 full transfer window.

[7062]

His first couple of games were an away win at Dundee Utd and a home win v Aberdeen. At that point all he was able to do was work with the players he had, changed things up slightly and it was working.

Now I’ve no idea what he’s trying to do. Yeah, it’s only been 6 games, but let’s face it, it’s been brutal to watch. Can’t see how things are just gonna all of a sudden click into place.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

He inherited a squad that still has all of the issues that got Ross sacked. We were a one man team and have now sold that one player who papered over so many cracks.

Maloney hasn’t even had 1 full transfer window.

I agree, I don't think the players he has will ever be capable of playing to the system he is trying to implement though.

[The Modfather]

His first couple of games were an away win at Dundee Utd and a home win v Aberdeen. At that point all he was able to do was work with the players he had, changed things up slightly and it was working.

Now I’ve no idea what he’s trying to do. Yeah, it’s only been 6 games, but let’s face it, it’s been brutal to watch. Can’t see how things are just gonna all of a sudden click into place.

We still had Boyle for his first two wins. I think constructive criticism and questioning of the here and now is fine. However I don’t get the posters that are making out how disjointed and toothless we look yet don’t acknowledge it’s just a continuation of what Jack Ross was delivering for much of this season. Which isn’t all that unsurprising as it is still Jack Ross’ team.

[MWHIBBIES]

He inherited a squad that still has all of the issues that got Ross sacked. We were a one man team and have now sold that one player who papered over so many cracks.

Maloney hasn’t even had 1 full transfer window.

We're not a 1 man team. That is not true whatsoever.

We have a backline that includes 3 scotland internationls and the ypoty. A scottish international striker. Doidge who we all know is a quality player. We've just brought in a USA international. We've also signed 4/5 other players this window. There is just no way we're a worst side than Motherwell, Livi etc.

[SlickShoes]

I agree, I don't think the players he has will ever be capable of playing to the system he is trying to implement though.

So do you give him time to change the squad and implement his way of working or should the manager just adjust his style to the squad that exists and end up in the same position Jack ross did?

The general consensus on ross was that while we won more than we lost the team were crap to watch. He was sacked and we’ve brought in someone new to change things but because things haven’t instantly got better it’s all pointless?

[SlickShoes]

We're not a 1 man team. That is not true whatsoever.

We have a backline that includes 3 scotland internationls and the ypoty. A scottish international striker. Doidge who we all know is a quality player. We've just brought in a USA international. We've also signed 4/5 other players this window. There is just no way we're a worst side than Motherwell, Livi etc.

The back line had been failing for months, we make constant mistakes and you have Porteous who makes basic mistakes and gets huge suspensions regularly.

Boyles goal record was ridiculous for where he was playing, we were totally reliant on him playing well to win games especially at the end of jacks time as manager.

[Mick O'Rourke]

He inherited a squad that still has all of the issues that got Ross sacked. We were a one man team and have now sold that one player who papered over so many cracks.

Maloney hasn’t even had 1 full transfer window.


When the knives were out for Jack Ross ,i sensed it stemmed back,among some wanting him out, to the Hearts loss at ER
It appeared to me that some fans were more raging at that loss than the semis and finals Ross took us to.
Lo and behold a Derby is coming up and these same moaners are suggesting Shaun wont survived long if we lose.

How very Jamboesque. They hounded Robbie out of tynie over us knocking them out the cup.

Some people need to stop calling for managers heads every 5 minutes.

[The Modfather]

We're not a 1 man team. That is not true whatsoever.

We have a backline that includes 3 scotland internationls and the ypoty. A scottish international striker. Doidge who we all know is a quality player. We've just brought in a USA international. We've also signed 4/5 other players this window. There is just no way we're a worst side than Motherwell, Livi etc.

I think we’ve been the Martin Boyle team for a long time, and certainly this season. Our tactics amounted to give Boyle the ball and not much else. You disagree and that’s fine.

I think defensively we’ve been fine under Maloney. Yesterday was poor defensively but we saw games like yesterday last season e.g our 3-0 defeat to Livi at home. I think losing Boyle shows just how reliant we were on him for all of our attacking intent and without him we see just how bereft of creativity and threat this squad has. It’s the same issues that got Ross the sack and will continue to be the same issues until we can change the squad.

[He's here!]

I have good news for you.

I will not be staying in my seat to moan at the players after the tenth minute on Tuesday, because, by then, I expect it to be 0-2 already.

I'll be heading home and you and your manager can suffer the rest of the night without me

I fear you're correct about it being game over within the opening minutes so I don't even plan to watch it on TV, let alone attend. Just not worth putting myself in a foul mood over. Thankfully I'll be staying in a quiet hotel on the west coast all next week while on a work contract so will stick on a movie and leave it until Wednesday morning to check the score as news of a defeat would see me have trouble sleeping.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

So do you give him time to change the squad and implement his way of working or should the manager just adjust his style to the squad that exists and end up in the same position Jack ross did?

The general consensus on ross was that while we won more than we lost the team were crap to watch. He was sacked and we’ve brought in someone new to change things but because things haven’t instantly got better it’s all pointless?

At the moment I'm fully behind him, I just don't think he'll get the time he needs (from the stands) to implement his ideas/transform the squad into one capable of playing the way he wants.

[HendoDelivered]

I fear you're correct about it being game over within the opening minutes so I don't even plan to watch it on TV, let alone attend. Just not worth putting myself in a foul mood over. Thankfully I'll be staying in a quiet hotel on the west coast all next week while on a work contract so will stick on a movie and leave it until Wednesday morning to check the score as news of a defeat would see me have trouble sleeping.

Wouldn’t let a derby loss make you lose sleep mate. There’s more to life than that ffs 😂

[JXM73]

No really got time for patience, got 4th place to secure... buck stops with maloney and gordon though and if we end up outside europe then questions need to be asked of their leadership....

[B.H.F.C]

He seriously isn't stuck with some amount of crap. This side has reached the last 2 cup finals and finished 3rd last season. Hes got a good squad and hes added 5 players. Thats not a good enough excuse.

Too many players there not contributing. They’ve helped get one manager the sack already this season. Defence has looked all right(for the most part) but we have an ineffective midfield and nobody putting the ball in the net regularly. We’ve added players yes, doesn’t mean we’ve improved anything.

[FilipinoHibs]

It really looks like a FIFA 202* manager . Lots of experiments but not real experience. Looks like run out of ideas already and clueless given Saturday's game. Caldwell never the best defender anyway. I really fear for us.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Whilst im not happy with what I’ve witnessed so far this year under Maloney, i also recognise that he has inherited a non existent midfield, and a striker who is misfiring. I do think that Maloney needs to change his philosophies until he has the players with ability to play that way.

Agreed, as for those who dont accept that he inherited a shambles, they clearly weren't paying attention during the downward spiral, before the ship was steadied somewhat by a few decent results. The manager is having to work with a poor group of players, and his job is to get the best he can out of them, if that means adapting his philosophy slightly in the short term, he needs to be willing to do it, or he won't get the time to implement the radical change that he desires.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

He seriously isn't stuck with some amount of crap. This side has reached the last 2 cup finals and finished 3rd last season. Hes got a good squad and hes added 5 players. Thats not a good enough excuse.

St Johnstone WON both the cup finals, its irrelevant to their demise & likely relegation this season. FFS stop banging on about 3rd last season as though its got any relevance.

[lord bunberry]

No really got time for patience, got 4th place to secure... buck stops with maloney and gordon though and if we end up outside europe then questions need to be asked of their leadership....
We’ve got no chance of 4th place imo, it will be a miracle if we manage a top 6 finish. Our form over the last 3 months is dismal, under Ross I was confident we’d turn it around, but we now have a rookie manager that is managing a team that’s on form a bottom 3 club. He’s got a job on his hands and it’s not one he is going to solve by playing a slow tempo passing game with players who aren’t used to it.

[ahibby]

I feel like I’ve been asked to be patient for a large chunk of the 40 odd years I’ve been watching Hibs.

Exactly. Transition must be managed to effect as little damage, our transitions seem to cause more than just a little. The club has said time and time again its goal this season is Europe. Recent performances, imply that wont be achieved and then the club has to admit it failed.

[MWHIBBIES]

St Johnstone WON both the cup finals, its irrelevant to their demise & likely relegation this season. FFS stop banging on about 3rd last season as though its got any relevance.

St Johnstone lost key players. We lost 1 and have signed more than a dozen others.

3rd last season does have relevace. It shows what this side can achieve when they're playing well.

[CentreLine]

The best opportunity missed in my time was The Tornadoes .
Oh,if only Turnbull had not "lost it" after the Hadjuk Split game.
That and his obsession with Jock Stein.
Dismantling the Tornadoes was criminal.

Oh, and i told him that to his face years later .....He agreed !!

Que Sera Sera !

Herriot
Brownlie Schaedler
Stanton Black Blackley
Edwards O'Rourke Gordon Cropley Duncan

You nailed that one. It was shocking the way that incredible side was dismantled in to mediocrity. Eddie Turnbull’s tenure became average to poor from then in. I can’t help but feel that the first departure to hurt us in that era was Willie McFarlane. The Tornadoes were more or less his team. Then, of course, your Jimmy was sacrificed on the alter built by Tom Hart and it all went completely to rat **** as the team disintegrated.

Oh for those heady days once more 😢

[et_hibby]

It's horrific mate and feels worse than ever - maybe not used to it after the Covid years but it's an horrible atmosphere it really is
I am nearer the edge of the east, first couple of blocks nearest the FF, and would say that area largely fairly supportive/ toned down.

[The Modfather]

St Johnstone lost key players. We lost 1 and have signed more than a dozen others.

3rd last season does have relevace. It shows what this side can achieve when they're playing well.

Is what we are achieving this season not more relevant? Third last season was a good achievement and it’s wrong to downplay that. However, teams have strengthened this season and Hearts are back in the league. We haven’t adapted to those new challenges.

It looks more likely that we finished 3rd because it was a weaker league, didn’t have Hearts, and we were spending money when other teams were cost cutting. Than it being the case that we are actually a good team and have a good squad that should be competing for 3rd again this season, IMO.

[Real Emerald]

We’ve got no chance of 4th place imo, it will be a miracle if we manage a top 6 finish. Our form over the last 3 months is dismal, under Ross I was confident we’d turn it around, but we now have a rookie manager that is managing a team that’s on form a bottom 3 club. He’s got a job on his hands and it’s not one he is going to solve by playing a slow tempo passing game with players who aren’t used to it.

Thats exactly what I feel. Ross was faced with a bad transfer window in the summer leaving a woefully inadequate squad. Coupled with the injuries to Doidge and McGennis we were badly exposed. If he had been allowed to recruit in this window and get the injured players back I’m sure he would have turned it around.

We’re now left with a rooky manager who has taken us to new levels of mince coupled with selling our best player whilst paying large sums of money for players who may or may not make it from this development team project.

Ive no idea how we’ve got to this but it’s not going to be an easy journey over the next few months if we don’t get a couple of quality additions in this window. The signing of Mitchell in a position we didn’t need addressed is also utterly baffling.

[jacomo]

6 games he’s had.


You and others wanted Jack Ross out after one bad run. It’s a bit rich to be complaining others lack patience.

[Key West]

There is a real toxic atmosphere at Easter Rd these days, I had the misfortune to have 4 20 or so year old behind me in East yesterday, they verbally abused our entire team from start to finish - the language was atrocious. I won't even start with the names they were calling Maloney, and one of them loudly booed everything from 2 2 onwards - I wish these "fans" just wouldn't bother coming tbh. Its making me consider whether I want to buy a ST next year, just not an enjoyable atmosphere. I went to watch my local junior side last weekend and the atmosphere was better and less toxic

It was the same where I was sitting, guy with the loudest voice berating Hibs at every opportunity as if everybody around was hanging on to his every word.

[Mick O'Rourke]

You nailed that one. It was shocking the way that incredible side was dismantled in to mediocrity. Eddie Turnbull’s tenure became average to poor from then in. I can’t help but feel that the first departure to hurt us in that era was Willie McFarlane. The Tornadoes were more or less his team. Then, of course, your Jimmy was sacrificed on the alter built by Tom Hart and it all went completely to rat **** as the team disintegrated.

Oh for those heady days once more ��


Bob Shankly,our manager prior to Willie MacFarlane had won the title with Dundee .They have a stand in his name.
Bob ,i believe, had he stayed and been allowed to develop his teams would have been relatively successful.
Bob's sides played good football.

In an interview years later Craig Brown rated Bob alongside Stein ,Walter Smith and Ferguson (when at Aberdeen)
Club selling players led Bob to resigning as our Manager in frustration and lack of board support.

Shaun and his team need to be given this and next season at least,and of course, funding from above.

[LunasBoots]

Not really Maloneys fault he's inherited this team, he can only work with what he has in front of him, it's going to take time and the summer transfer window. I'd rather we got a central midfielder now though so we can at least compete for the remainder of the season.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

This

We have been building for the future for about 25 years

That’s what every strategy at every club is about.

[Hibby Kay-Yay]

He seriously isn't stuck with some amount of crap. This side has reached the last 2 cup finals and finished 3rd last season. Hes got a good squad and hes added 5 players. Thats not a good enough excuse.

Those same players went on a dreadful run that ended JR’s tenure and had a majority of people wanting change.

Hibs have delivered change in terms of manager and shape/style of play. This isn’t Football Manager, these things do take time, like it or not.

[He's here!]

Wouldn’t let a derby loss make you lose sleep mate. There’s more to life than that ffs 😂

Absolutely. Much more to life than football full stop which is why I'll give the game a miss. I'm increasingly not keeping tabs on Hibs games as I get older. If I check the score and see we've won I'll get it on catch-up/highlights, but no sense having your mood soured by something you have no control over. There are far more positive ways to spend your time.

[Ronniekirk]

Thats exactly what I feel. Ross was faced with a bad transfer window in the summer leaving a woefully inadequate squad. Coupled with the injuries to Doidge and McGennis we were badly exposed. If he had been allowed to recruit in this window and get the injured players back I’m sure he would have turned it around.

We’re now left with a rooky manager who has taken us to new levels of mince coupled with selling our best player whilst paying large sums of money for players who may or may not make it from this development team project.

Ive no idea how we’ve got to this but it’s not going to be an easy journey over the next few months if we don’t get a couple of quality additions in this window. The signing of Mitchell in a position we didn’t need addressed is also utterly baffling.

Am with you on the basis we have spent around 700 grand on players for the future that excludes Muller
Two are now out on loan to z Killie ,one having never kicked a ball fir us and the other playing fleetingly
Kean is driving this B team and thanking the Board fir backing him and then there will be ongoing costs for travelling down south
Hopefully this pays off in the long term
In the meantime a rookie manager is clearly being given time to try and change the style of play of the team while having to sell out best player
Maloney is on a steep learning curve and is chopping and changing the team every week so it’s difficult to judge at this stage
But the last few games lots of subs have not improved us
And the defence which appeared to have been doing ok despite changes just disintegrated yesterday once Martindale worked out how to play us and Maloney had no answer
It will be interesting to see how he sets up v hearts but Boyce mugged a Motherwell player in Thier own box that led to them scoring If he persists with passing out from the back they will bully our midfield and press them and defence into making mistakes
You have to assume some of our players will respond to our first full house of the season so let’s see how we do


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[MWHIBBIES]

Those same players went on a dreadful run that ended JR’s tenure and had a majority of people wanting change.

Hibs have delivered change in terms of manager and shape/style of play. This isn’t Football Manager, these things do take time, like it or not.

On football manager, you play to your teams strengths at first and slowly build the squad you want. You don't take over Burnley and start playing tiki-taka football.

Yes, these players had a bad 10 games which sadly saw the end of ross. They also had a good 38 game season, and 2 runs to cup finals. Tell me, is there more evidence of them being good or bad?

[JimBHibees]

He seriously isn't stuck with some amount of crap. This side has reached the last 2 cup finals and finished 3rd last season. Hes got a good squad and hes added 5 players. Thats not a good enough excuse.

The same squad that got Ross sacked and were in an awful run of form plus he has now lost our best player by miles. I am definitely struggling with his rotational selection policy and his starting line up yesterday was odd however he still needs a decent chance to implement what he is trying to do. You do get the impression there may be some players still pining for the former manager and if so he should try and get them out the door if possible. The biggest thing in the next day may be getting rid as much as bringing in.

[hibsbollah]

I fear you're correct about it being game over within the opening minutes so I don't even plan to watch it on TV, let alone attend. Just not worth putting myself in a foul mood over. Thankfully I'll be staying in a quiet hotel on the west coast all next week while on a work contract so will stick on a movie and leave it until Wednesday morning to check the score as news of a defeat would see me have trouble sleeping.

Are you serious about this? Maybe I’m just a part timer but as soon as I’m out of the stadium I’m over it and just get on with my life :dunno: I love the Hibs and going to ER but I don’t let it affect things like my sleep. Far bigger things to worry about. If we get beat on Tuesday I’ll be avoiding Jambo workmates on Wednesday but that’s the extent of it.

[jacomo]

Those same players went on a dreadful run that ended JR’s tenure and had a majority of people wanting change.

Hibs have delivered change in terms of manager and shape/style of play. This isn’t Football Manager, these things do take time, like it or not.


All teams go on a bad run at some point. Liverpool did last season, for example - doesn’t make them bad players.

[WeeRussell]

St Johnstone lost key players. We lost 1 and have signed more than a dozen others.

3rd last season does have relevace. It shows what this side can achieve when they're playing well.

13+ key players signed this season? Surely no?

[MWHIBBIES]

13+ key players signed this season? Surely no?

Sorry, I meant more than half a dozen others. We've lost Boyle as a starter from last season, and we've signed Mueller, Mitchell, Doyle-Hayes, Scott, Henderson, Melkerson, Bushiri etc. With more on the way. The squad should be stronger than last season, but results have been poorer.

I'm not really convinced we were some one man team last season. Nisbet and Doidge both scored goals, our defence was very good, midfield solid. We should not be where we are now.

[WeeRussell]

Sorry, I meant more than half a dozen others. We've lost Boyle as a starter from last season, and we've signed Mueller, Mitchell, Doyle-Hayes, Scott, Henderson, Melkerson, Bushiri etc. With more on the way. The squad should be stronger than last season, but results have been poorer.

I'm not really convinced we were some one man team last season. Nisbet and Doidge both scored goals, our defence was very good, midfield solid. We should not be where we are now.

Yep, in that case I agree.

[Onion]

Of course he needs time. But if he loses on Tuesday a big chunk of fans will turn on him and makes the job even more difficult.
Massive game he really needs to win to give him time to get his ideas over to players and fans

If we lose Tues, agree the daggers will be out but mostly pointed at the wrong person. If SM is an abject failure, you need to be looking at the people / person who appointed him.

[BlackSheep]

All this finger pointing is absolutely depressing. Whether Maloney is the right man or not, only time will tell. While there may have been other candidates that some think would have steadied the ship in a shorter time, you have to give the board and ceo some credit for trying to instigate change, hopefully for the better.

I think Maloney will be given time, cos he has been selected by the board and ceo. Ross was the last of the upper management that were in place when the club was taken over so definitely bares no real reflection on the higher ups.

Unfortunately I can see some time of uncertainty and a period of change and hopefully the board have thick skin, cos there are a large group of vocal supporters who will moan at the slightest chance.

[lord bunberry]

Not really Maloneys fault he's inherited this team, he can only work with what he has in front of him, it's going to take time and the summer transfer window. I'd rather we got a central midfielder now though so we can at least compete for the remainder of the season.
This team that you talk about finished third last season and have got to the last 2 cup finals. The suggestion from some that we are a bad team doesn’t stand up to any kind of scrutiny. This is a decent team that’s had a large amount of money spent improving it in the last few weeks, that’s badly underperforming due to either lack of confidence or the way they’re being asked to play. Maloney needs to tone down the attempt to play like Belgium until the summer when he’ll have a much longer time and another transfer window, failure to do so will mean it’s another manager that’s working with his team next season.

[He's here!]

Are you serious about this? Maybe I’m just a part timer but as soon as I’m out of the stadium I’m over it and just get on with my life :dunno: I love the Hibs and going to ER but I don’t let it affect things like my sleep. Far bigger things to worry about. If we get beat on Tuesday I’ll be avoiding Jambo workmates on Wednesday but that’s the extent of it.

Yeh, I think it's an age thing. Back in the day when I went all the time I'd be in the pub pre and post match, so if we lost you could kind of set the world to rights after the game and head home with it out your system. These days I don't have the time to do that and on the rare occasions I've been at ER lately, sitting soberly through largely uninspiring fare I question why I'm there. It can be more of an irritant than a pleasure and for sure a midweek derby defeat would put me to bed in a grim frame of mind. Watching the incredible Oz Open tennis final just now underlined how much more I simply enjoy watching sport for pleasure than watching Hibs these days, which probably means I should just knock the football on the head. Easier said than done tho when it's been in the blood all my life.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Individual errors cost us yesterday for sure.

But our 'style' of play didn't help us, Josh Campbell is getting a lot of stick and it was him who lost the ball for their winner, but if you are making 10 passes in your own half before you even reach the half way line there's a decent chance you will lose the ball against a team pressing you high up, either because a player dallies on the ball and gets robbed as happened yesterday or because of a poor pass, which nearly happened a few times yesterday.

Against this style of play all you need to do is go man for man in your own half and leave two forwards chasing everything down as 4 Hibs players pass the ball between themselves endlessly looking for a pass into midfield or out wide, eventually it ends in a hurried pass giving away possession or a 50/50 ball you have a chance of winning, it certainly gives the opposition tons of time to get their defence organised.

The other thing about this 'style' of play is that if the idea is to get the ball out wide and into the box from there then you have to have midfield players willing to get into the box to be on the end of these balls. As usual with Hibs, a theme for bloody years now including yesterday, the wide player looks up and sees 5 or 6 defenders and one Hibs forward with not a midfield player to be seen ... the wide player batters the ball into the box where inevitably its easily cleared by a defender and the crowd berates the wide guy because of his poor ball, a ball he's played with next to no one to aim it at.

Its all very well changing the formation and making loads of subs in a game, but if the philosophy stays the same ... IE keep possession in your own half, try to get the ball wide and do not encourage ( demand ) your midfield players get into the box, then the results will stay the same ... easy to defend against and next to no chances created.

[Key West]

I have good news for you.

I will not be staying in my seat to moan at the players after the tenth minute on Tuesday, because, by then, I expect it to be 0-2 already.

I'll be heading home and you and your manager can suffer the rest of the night without me

👍Excellent.

[Pagan Hibernia]

👍Excellent.

glad I’m not the only one happy that he’ll have f***ed off

[Key West]

glad I’m not the only one happy that he’ll have f***ed off

With his expectations having already being expressed he won't be missed.

[Smartie]

I was firmly in the “I don’t really get this style football, I don’t see what he’s trying to do” camp, so the first half yesterday was a big relief.

It’s easy to forget how good the first half was yesterday because of what followed. A goalie blunder was the only blot on an excellent 45 minutes of football.

That second half though? As good as the first half was, that second half was awful. It was concerning on so many levels. Our manager got his arse felt tactically. Personally, I think Maloney has been sorely found wanting both when Motherwell went down to 10 and then yesterday when Livi adapted to cope with our good first half.

The second half yesterday really had no redeeming features, maybe other than Kevin Nisbet putting in a much needed decent performance.

Worryingly, I see absolutely nothing about this Hibs side that suggests they have what it takes to win a derby and Tuesday could well be embarrassing.

A painful defeat on Tuesday and I can’t see Maloney lasting long and I just don’t see this squad as being capable of getting anything out of the game.

Patience? Probably right and it is required, but football fans aren’t known for being patient. And occasionally swift and decisive action to change direction is needed rather than patience.

[Is It On....]

I was firmly in the “I don’t really get this style football, I don’t see what he’s trying to do” camp, so the first half yesterday was a big relief.

It’s easy to forget how good the first half was yesterday because of what followed. A goalie blunder was the only blot on an excellent 45 minutes of football.

That second half though? As good as the first half was, that second half was awful. It was concerning on so many levels. Our manager got his arse felt tactically. Personally, I think Maloney has been sorely found wanting both when Motherwell went down to 10 and then yesterday when Livi adapted to cope with our good first half.

The second half yesterday really had no redeeming features, maybe other than Kevin Nisbet putting in a much needed decent performance.

Worryingly, I see absolutely nothing about this Hibs side that suggests they have what it takes to win a derby and Tuesday could well be embarrassing.

A painful defeat on Tuesday and I can’t see Maloney lasting long and I just don’t see this squad as being capable of getting anything out of the game.

Patience? Probably right and it is required, but football fans aren’t known for being patient. And occasionally swift and decisive action to change direction is needed rather than patience.

Listening to Martindale’s comments after game. Basically saying they worked out our shape in 20 mins. Changed it at half time. We all know what happened in the second half.

We also need a Head of Recruitment that isn't the Chairmans son.

[Since452]

If we lose Tues, agree the daggers will be out but mostly pointed at the wrong person. If SM is an abject failure, you need to be looking at the people / person who appointed him.

I agree but it won't happen. If we lose on Tuesday and I think we'll lose badly, Maloney will be a dead man walking already with some. We all saw what happened with Jack Ross he was statistically one of our best managers ever. Hibs fans have no patience and after punting Ross the club need to prepare themselves if Maloney isn't better and better quickly. We aren't a project.

[silverhibee]

This team that you talk about finished third last season and have got to the last 2 cup finals. The suggestion from some that we are a bad team doesn’t stand up to any kind of scrutiny. This is a decent team that’s had a large amount of money spent improving it in the last few weeks, that’s badly underperforming due to either lack of confidence or the way they’re being asked to play. Maloney needs to tone down the attempt to play like Belgium until the summer when he’ll have a much longer time and another transfer window, failure to do so will mean it’s another manager that’s working with his team next season.

What I’m watching is Maloney trying to implement a few different things, I would suggest he is attempting to play a bit like celtc when Strachan was manager, 3 at the back with 2 fast wing backs to get the team forward but when we get to the final 3rd things break down, I’m pretty sure he doesn’t want Nisbet dropping deep to get the ball and should be in around the box to get on to things whether that is crosses or a wee build that results it being laid of to a goal scorer, big problem is our midfield and strikers not taking chances when they come along.

[heretoday]

He's only been here five minutes!

[silverhibee]

Individual errors cost us yesterday for sure.

But our 'style' of play didn't help us, Josh Campbell is getting a lot of stick and it was him who lost the ball for their winner, but if you are making 10 passes in your own half before you even reach the half way line there's a decent chance you will lose the ball against a team pressing you high up, either because a player dallies on the ball and gets robbed as happened yesterday or because of a poor pass, which nearly happened a few times yesterday.

Against this style of play all you need to do is go man for man in your own half and leave two forwards chasing everything down as 4 Hibs players pass the ball between themselves endlessly looking for a pass into midfield or out wide, eventually it ends in a hurried pass giving away possession or a 50/50 ball you have a chance of winning, it certainly gives the opposition tons of time to get their defence organised.

The other thing about this 'style' of play is that if the idea is to get the ball out wide and into the box from there then you have to have midfield players willing to get into the box to be on the end of these balls. As usual with Hibs, a theme for bloody years now including yesterday, the wide player looks up and sees 5 or 6 defenders and one Hibs forward with not a midfield player to be seen ... the wide player batters the ball into the box where inevitably its easily cleared by a defender and the crowd berates the wide guy because of his poor ball, a ball he's played with next to no one to aim it at.

Its all very well changing the formation and making loads of subs in a game, but if the philosophy stays the same ... IE keep possession in your own half, try to get the ball wide and do not encourage ( demand ) your midfield players get into the box, then the results will stay the same ... easy to defend against and next to no chances created.

Your 1st sentence sums things up perfectly, Macey coming for a ball that was never his to get, Campbell losing the ball in midfield which was criminal and I hope our manager removes Campbell from the 1st team for a few games, he has done it with Doig so time to give Campbell a wee rest and dare I say it but bring back Newell for the derby.

[The Modfather]

I agree but it won't happen. If we lose on Tuesday and I think we'll lose badly, Maloney will be a dead man walking already with some. We all saw what happened with Jack Ross he was statistically one of our best managers ever. Hibs fans have no patience and after punting Ross the club need to prepare themselves if Maloney isn't better and better quickly. We aren't a project.

Speaking of statistics. Maloney has played 4 league games. Won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. That’s a points per game of 1.75. I looked up Jack Ross’ points per game for this season and it’s 1.32. That must put to bed the concerns of those that put a lot of importance in the statistics, no?

https://statbunker.com/managers/ManagersPerformance?comp_id=691


Maloney is a gamble and may turn out to be a mistake appointing him. However we’re now talking about him effectively having to save his job in his 7th game in charge and before he’s even had one full transfer window. I wish a lot of posters would just be honest and tell it like it is that they’re not actually prepared to give Maloney a fair chance because they feel Jack Ross should still be in charge. Ross deserved more time, but 6 games and less than one full transfer window is enough time to come to a conclusion on Maloney.

[silverhibee]

I agree but it won't happen. If we lose on Tuesday and I think we'll lose badly, Maloney will be a dead man walking already with some. We all saw what happened with Jack Ross he was statistically one of our best managers ever. Hibs fans have no patience and after punting Ross the club need to prepare themselves if Maloney isn't better and better quickly. We aren't a project.

Hibs fans stuck by Ross after his calamity’s at Hampden where his teams didn’t turn up and we had some pretty poor home results as well, it wasn’t all rosey under him but the fans were willing to give him another season and he didn’t take it, through Ryan under the bus after his red at Ibrox and it went badly down hill after that, it was right to sack him as it just wasn’t working out for him and noises that he wasn’t happy with folk at the club, the fans were very patience with him in my opinion, but Maloney has had six games, yes six and folk are stabbing him in the back and wanting him gone if he doesn’t win the derby, madness, he needs time for his players to bed in and get fully match fit but for some reason some are not willing to give him the chance and time, Jack Ross has gone, get the cardboard cut out of him out the bed and stick by the new man.

[JimBHibees]

This team that you talk about finished third last season and have got to the last 2 cup finals. The suggestion from some that we are a bad team doesn’t stand up to any kind of scrutiny. This is a decent team that’s had a large amount of money spent improving it in the last few weeks, that’s badly underperforming due to either lack of confidence or the way they’re being asked to play. Maloney needs to tone down the attempt to play like Belgium until the summer when he’ll have a much longer time and another transfer window, failure to do so will mean it’s another manager that’s working with his team next season.

Not sure anyone said we are a bad team however the league this year is undoubtedly stronger and we haven't strengthened. Our summer window was awful and our squad was always light with Ross playing the same team every week. The team was in an awful run and in many ways the semi final showed how under achieving we were in the league. Maloney has come in brought in a number of mostly promising players however subsequently lost pur best player and had to contend with key defenders being injured or stupidly suspended. Up to now think he has been ok but no doubt the last few games have been a struggle with imo far too many changes to the team though he may be trying out players. He needs patience and time to see what he can do rather than fans many of which are pining after Ross jumping on any poor performances.

[JimBHibees]

Listening to Martindale’s comments after game. Basically saying they worked out our shape in 20 mins. Changed it at half time. We all know what happened in the second half.

We also need a Head of Recruitment that isn't the Chairmans son.

Martindale is a slaver though. He wasn't being Pep2 when his teams were getting horsed earlier in the season

[JimBHibees]

Speaking of statistics. Maloney has played 4 league games. Won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. That’s a points per game of 1.75. I looked up Jack Ross’ points per game for this season and it’s 1.32. That must put to bed the concerns of those that put a lot of importance in the statistics, no?

https://statbunker.com/managers/ManagersPerformance?comp_id=691


Maloney is a gamble and may turn out to be a mistake appointing him. However we’re now talking about him effectively having to save his job in his 7th game in charge and before he’s even had one full transfer window. I wish a lot of posters would just be honest and tell it like it is that they’re not actually prepared to give Maloney a fair chance because they feel Jack Ross should still be in charge. Ross deserved more time, but 6 games and less than one full transfer window is enough time to come to a conclusion on Maloney.

Agree ridiculously some appear to think this.

[MWHIBBIES]

Martindale is a slaver though. He wasn't being Pep2 when his teams were getting horsed earlier in the season

Indeed. Heard from a former livi youth player he loves talking about his clever he is

[JimBHibees]

Hibs fans stuck by Ross after his calamity’s at Hampden where his teams didn’t turn up and we had some pretty poor home results as well, it wasn’t all rosey under him but the fans were willing to give him another season and he didn’t take it, through Ryan under the bus after his red at Ibrox and it went badly down hill after that, it was right to sack him as it just wasn’t working out for him and noises that he wasn’t happy with folk at the club, the fans were very patience with him in my opinion, but Maloney has had six games, yes six and folk are stabbing him in the back and wanting him gone if he doesn’t win the derby, madness, he needs time for his players to bed in and get fully match fit but for some reason some are not willing to give him the chance and time, Jack Ross has gone, get the cardboard cut out of him out the bed and stick by the new man.

Agree totally though could do without the mental image your last sentence provides :greengrin

[Malthibby]

Says a lot about a section of our support that someone has already felt the need to start a thread called Patience.
New manager, new team, new tactics, it all takes time, & time & support is what Maloney needs.
It's downright embarrassing to have fans booing the team this quickly. For avoidance of doubt, booing doesn't help
a team play better, the Jambos will be pxssing themselves if folk start that up on Tuesday and they would be right to.
I keep reading about 'Hibs class' on here, meybes we should start showing some.:rolleyes:

[He's here!]

Speaking of statistics. Maloney has played 4 league games. Won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. That’s a points per game of 1.75. I looked up Jack Ross’ points per game for this season and it’s 1.32. That must put to bed the concerns of those that put a lot of importance in the statistics, no?

https://statbunker.com/managers/ManagersPerformance?comp_id=691


Maloney is a gamble and may turn out to be a mistake appointing him. However we’re now talking about him effectively having to save his job in his 7th game in charge and before he’s even had one full transfer window. I wish a lot of posters would just be honest and tell it like it is that they’re not actually prepared to give Maloney a fair chance because they feel Jack Ross should still be in charge. Ross deserved more time, but 6 games and less than one full transfer window is enough time to come to a conclusion on Maloney.

He's played 5 league games, won 2, drawn 1 and lost 2. Aberdeen (W), United (W), Celtic (L), Motherwell (D) and Livi (L). Or have I misunderstood your post?

[The Modfather]

He's played 5 league games, won 2, drawn 1 and lost 2. Aberdeen (W), United (W), Celtic (L), Motherwell (D) and Livi (L). Or have I misunderstood your post?

So it is, I think I must have missed the Celtic game, so a PPG of 1.4 it is. Still a statistical improvement on Ross this season. So my point, for those who put importance in statistics, still stands. As does the rest of my post and the other points made.

[Hibbyradge]

I have good news for you.

I will not be staying in my seat to moan at the players after the tenth minute on Tuesday, because, by then, I expect it to be 0-2 already.

I'll be heading home and you and your manager can suffer the rest of the night without me

Top man.

You could teach some of these so called "supporters" thing or two.

[Hibbyradge]

Absolutely. Much more to life than football full stop which is why I'll give the game a miss. I'm increasingly not keeping tabs on Hibs games as I get older. If I check the score and see we've won I'll get it on catch-up/highlights, but no sense having your mood soured by something you have no control over. There are far more positive ways to spend your time.

I love being a Hibby. The occasional successes are worth all the misery.

I do hope I never feel like you do.

[Callum_62]

So it is, I think I must have missed the Celtic game, so a PPG of 1.4 it is. Still a statistical improvement on Ross this season. So my point, for those who put importance in statistics, still stands. As does the rest of my post and the other points made.Statically taking 5 games against 16 or so isn't really fair



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[The Modfather]

Statically taking 5 games against 16 or so isn't really fair



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It’s not, but the poster I responded to said Ross was statistically one of the best managers we’ve ever had. So I was just querying their concerns when the same statistics show Maloney has improved upon Ross, statistically, this season.

[jacomo]

It’s not, but the poster I responded to said Ross was statistically one of the best managers we’ve ever had. So I was just querying their concerns when the same statistics show Maloney has improved upon Ross, statistically, this season.


You’re being very selective with statistics here, it’s a bit of a nonsense really.

The only question that needs answering is: does Shaun Maloney know what he is doing?

This isn’t just about a ‘football philosophy’ but man management, recruitment and the ability to make tactical changes when needed.

[silverhibee]

On football manager, you play to your teams strengths at first and slowly build the squad you want. You don't take over Burnley and start playing tiki-taka football.

Yes, these players had a bad 10 games which sadly saw the end of ross. They also had a good 38 game season, and 2 runs to cup finals. Tell me, is there more evidence of them being good or bad?

That made me chuckle :tee hee:

[silverhibee]

Agree totally though could do without the mental image your last sentence provides :greengrin

:thumbsup:

Some are behaving like the huns when Slippy G left, funeral services of cardboard cutouts.

They need to move on from Jack Ross and give the same support to Maloney that they gave to the great one in JR. :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Says a lot about a section of our support that someone has already felt the need to start a thread called Patience.
New manager, new team, new tactics, it all takes time, & time & support is what Maloney needs.
It's downright embarrassing to have fans booing the team this quickly. For avoidance of doubt, booing doesn't help
a team play better, the Jambos will be pxssing themselves if folk start that up on Tuesday and they would be right to.
I keep reading about 'Hibs class' on here, meybes we should start showing some.:rolleyes:

Well said MH. :top marks

[basehibby]

You’re being very selective with statistics here, it’s a bit of a nonsense really.

The only question that needs answering is: does Shaun Maloney know what he is doing?

This isn’t just about a ‘football philosophy’ but man management, recruitment and the ability to make tactical changes when needed.

That's bang on the money really. Maloney is an exciting appointment in many ways but as with any rookie manager he's a risk and regardless of the quality of his apprenticeship with Belgium there are no guarantees of success. He has my full support and I will try to show a reasonable measure of patience if things don't always go to plan. He still has it all to prove though and his first Derby is a massive test - and I'm somewhat concerned that what comes across as a purist approach might see us come unstuck on Tuesday. The ideas that Maloney has talked of working towards are appealing but are not likely to be perfected over night. These games matter though - EVERY one matters - and even if we play well, a home defeat will see some sections of the support's patience grow very thin very quickly. A win on the other hand and he'll be toast of the town. Comparing Hearts' recent steady form vs our own patchwork experimental lineups that seems an unlikely outcome right now - fingers crossed though - good luck Shaun!

[The 90+2]

Yin of Gary Barlows better numbers :thumbsup:

[southern hibby]

Someone mentioned the other day to me ( if not checked this info, so could be wrong ) but in the last 2 years Hibs have only won 3 back to back games at ER in the league. Sure someone will come along to confirm or deny.

If this is true then I’d say it’s a problem that’s been happening that we’ve not addressed.

Also maybe just maybe the reason we ended up 3rd last season is we didn’t have fans constantly moaning at the players and this allowed them to play to their full potential.


GGTTH

[JimBHibees]

Someone mentioned the other day to me ( if not checked this info, so could be wrong ) but in the last 2 years Hibs have only won 3 back to back games at ER in the league. Sure someone will come along to confirm or deny.

If this is true then I’d say it’s a problem that’s been happening that we’ve not addressed.

Also maybe just maybe the reason we ended up 3rd last season is we didn’t have fans constantly moaning at the players and this allowed them to play to their full potential.


GGTTH

You might have a point with your last sentence certainly doesn't help that is for sure.

[Waxy]

Patience lol.Third in the league and getting to the latter stages of every cup and most where still in fits of rage at a draw.