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Jonnyboy
29-01-2022, 07:13 PM
Frustration, disappointment and an undercurrent of concern summarises my feelings after watching Hibs this afternoon. Frustrated at the lack of urgency as the clock ticked down; disappointment at the manner of the goals conceded and at losing the opportunity to leapfrog Motherwell into fourth place with a degree of concern that the players are sticking too rigidly to the play out from the back scenario when there are times when that just isn’t on.

The first surprise ahead of the game was finding out that Shaun Maloney had made four changes to the starting eleven with Porteous, Mitchell, Henderson and Doidge getting the nod. It seems the manager is fond of making numerous changes for each eleven he picks. I was disappointed that Bushiri and Newell were confined to the bench as I thought that pair were our best performers against Motherwell.

Hibs started the game well enough, and I thought Nouble was very lucky not to get a yellow card after he’d been outwitted by Porteous and decided to take his frustration out on Ryan by scything him down as the ball was being played. It was a poor decision by referee Grant Irvine, and it wouldn’t be his last.

On six minutes a Henderson corner reached Doidge at the back post and the big striker struck the post with his shot. Livingston failed to clear the danger and Demetri Mitchell pounced to fire home from close range, his first goal for the club on his home debut. Moments later, Porteous made a hash of heading the ball back to his keeper and Bailey nipped in between the two with Macey getting to the ball first and putting it behind for a corner, given by the East Stand assistant. Referee Irvine took a differing view and awarded Livingston a penalty. Macey rushed to the assistant to plead his case and Irvine was persuaded to have a chat with the assistant, after which he reversed the penalty decision and bizarrely restarted the game with a drop ball rather than a corner.

The visitors sought to get level and had shots by Devlin and Forrest blocked before Doyle-Hayes conceded a needless free kick which allowed Livingston to load the box for a delivery. Bailey hoisted the ball in to the box and Macey flapped at it allowing Obileye a free header to make it 1-1. It can be argued that Macey was blocked in his efforts to reach the ball but the player he crashed into was Paul McGinn. My view is that Macey should have stayed put as the header from Obileye had no pace on it and there’s every chance the keeper would have collected it safely had he stayed on his line. As it was, the damage to McGinn meant he could not continue, and he was replaced by Bushiri.

A Henderson foul on Omeonga allowed Nouble a sight of goal but his effort was blocked and soon after, Hibs took the lead in bizarre circumstances. Campbell and Cadden traded passes wide on the right and close to the goal line before Cadden whipped the ball across and the flight of the ball caught Max Stryjek out, flying over his head and into the net at his back post. Jason Holt and Joel Nouble seemed to be taking it in turns to foul the Hibs man on the ball, but referee Irvine took no action against either of them. As the minutes ticked down, both Bailey and Campbell saw efforts drift wide of target before Forrest was unlucky to see his shot on target but nudged wide by Bushiri.

Livingston came out in the second half and immediately set about putting Hibs under pressure. The home side was making life difficult for itself by persisting with the directive to play out from the back and the visitors found it easy to pressure the Hibs men into making mistakes. It seemed to me that Omeonga was running the midfield and often got the better of Doyle-Hayes and Campbell. So much so that I was desperate for Maloney to bring Newell on for Campbell to help steady the ship. He didn’t and Livingston continued to dominate.

With just seen minutes of the half played, Hibs struggled to get the ball clear and twice in succession Forrest had a shot at goal with the efforts twice being cleared off the line by Kevin Nisbet. Not since the days of Alex Miller have I seen Hibs have all eleven players in their own box to defend corners, free kicks and long throw ins. Having eleven made no difference when Nouble flicked on a ball in from their right which found Jack Fitzwater in space and heading the equaliser.

It really was all Livingston now and understandably the home fans were getting more and more restless. Playing out from the back was not working and yet Hibs persisted with it, bringing serious pressure in the process. As the hour mark approached, Forrest was denied by Macey but moments later the same player put the visitors ahead for the first time in the game. Possession was surrendered in midfield and the ball reached Forrest at the angle of the eighteen yard box. The Livi man waltzed past his marker and struck a fine shot into the far corner of Macey’s net. What irked me most about this was that Forrest dropped his shoulder to get the ball onto his right foot and he’d pretty much done that for the whole game and yet he was not shown to the outside.

In response to going behind, Shaun Maloney replaced Doidge and Campbell with Murphy and Mueller, but the flow of the game was predominantly towards the Hibs goal with a brief respite coming when Mueller got on the end of a Cadden cross but couldn’t get any real power on his header. It seemed that every time the ball came into the Hibs box, a level of panic broke out and clearing the lines was almost non-existent. Further changes came when Stevenson and Mitchell gave way to Doig and Scott and soon after their introduction, Nisbet strode on to a Porteous pass and got a strike away that Stryjek managed to save with his legs.

With fifteen minutes left, Jason Holt finally got a yellow card after bringing down Doyle-Hayes with what seemed like his tenth foul of the game. Nisbet then had another strike but got underneath the ball and sent it over the bar before the lively Forrest once again tested Macey with the keeper winning that duel. Hibs were pushing more men forward when they got the ball but the insistence on playing from the back made such positions all too rare. Bushiri headed over from a corner and a double effort from Nisbet saw a block and then a save denying him a goal. Into time added on and Cadden fed Mueller, but the latter couldn’t get his shot past a defender’s leg and the game was over.

A generally poor performance from Hibs got the result it deserved and the irony of it all was that Stephane Omeonga bossed our midfield for most of the game, showing that his own level of performance has risen since he spent time on loan at Easter Road.

The players

Macey – Terrible decision making for the first goal, and he looked a bit static for the second.

McGinn – Paul was having a solid game before Macey flattened him and caused him to leave the field injured.

Porteous – To me, Ryan looked a little ring rusty and despite my hope that he would do, he pretty much never broke forward with the ball at his feet to challenge the stranglehold Livi had on our midfield.

Stevenson – Lewis had a decent first half, sending a couple of excellent passes down the line for Mitchell to chase. His second half performance was, however, possibly the worst I’ve seen from him in a long while.

Cadden – Chris is a willing worker and does his fair share of defending in addition to his attacking play. A few good crosses with no takers and though there was an element of luck surrounding his goal, at least he was putting the ball into the danger area which a good number of his colleagues failed to do.

Campbell – I kinda like Josh but I think he was poor today and maybe it should have been him left out rather than Joe Newell.

Doyle-Hayes – I keep saying this but nothing changes. As a midfield player part of the job is to take the ball in, turn and then head for the opponents’ goal or pass it to a forward based team mate. Our coaching staff must see his failure to do that, surely?

Mitchell – Demetri had a good first half, scored a debut goal but tired badly in the second and was replaced.

Henderson – One or two lovely passes and a decent work rate but he was too easily edged off the ball.

Nisbet – Today, Kevin did all of the things he’s accused of not doing with the exception of scoring of course. He was taking the ball in well, protecting it and finding a team mate with a pass. No sign whatsoever of him being ‘lazy’ in my view.

Doidge – I felt the game just passed him by a lot of the time. Never really caused them much difficulty in the air, bar one excellent header that drifted just wide.

Bushiri – Replaced McGinn and took up the central role in the back three with Porteous moving to his right. A good display but has to share the blame for the loss of that second goal as the header was made right in the centre of the box.

Murphy – Once or twice he looked like he might provide a telling pass but never actually did so.

Mueller – Chris has some rough edges, but he chased and harried and was unlucky not to get a goal near the end.

Scott – I’m not sure what he was asked to do, and his contribution offered no clues.

Doig – One scorching run down the left but little else of note.

Shaun Maloney – Going by his post-match comments he was obviously disappointed, correctly identifying our inability to defend properly from two set plays. Is it just me or is he missing the fact that our horrendous record of ‘building from the back’ is the principal reason for conceding these free kicks and corners?

Referee – Grant Irvine is a new one on me and guess what – he was as inept as virtually all of his refereeing colleagues.

The Harp Awakes
29-01-2022, 07:37 PM
I bet it was as tough writing that as It was viewing the game today JB, but it's an accurate write up as always.

I thought Porteous easily had his worst game in a Hibs shirt. I also feel for Campbell - he's a young lad who has made a promising start to his Hibs career, but he's been very poor for a while now and he needs a break from the side, to allow him to regroup and get his confidence back.

Stunned by the last 5/10 minutes of the game. Where was the urgency to push forward and get an equaliser? We were getting beaten at home by Livi FFS. We just continued passing the ball back and forward across the pitch at the same pace. Not acceptable.

davym7062
29-01-2022, 07:59 PM
I bet it was as tough writing that as It was viewing the game today JB, but it's an accurate write up as always.

I thought Porteous easily had his worst game in a Hibs shirt. I also feel for Campbell - he's a young lad who has made a promising start to his Hibs career, but he's been very poor for a while now and he needs a break from the side, to allow him to regroup and get his confidence back.

Stunned by the last 5/10 minutes of the game. Where was the urgency to push forward and get an equaliser? We were getting beaten at home by Livi FFS. We just continued passing the ball back and forward across the pitch at the same pace. Not acceptable.

this bang on

ancient hibee
29-01-2022, 08:32 PM
Nisbet was our best player. Started all our best attacks from the middle of the park and kicked two off our line. Just not got his shooting boots on although one effort needed a good save. Cadden wasted a huge amount of ball with poor crosses-like the one that went into the net. He must try harder to pick someone out.The style we are trying to play would be good if it was at least twice as fast.

hibby6270
29-01-2022, 08:34 PM
Can’t argue with anything you’ve written JB other than to say for once you’ve not awarded an MOTM.
Would it surprise anyone to say it was an ex loan player, who during that spell, played well for us?

Bostonhibby
29-01-2022, 08:44 PM
Pretty much in line with what I endured JB, poor management leaving young Campbell out there as long as we did and some poor/bizarre substitutions.

Scott feels like a no show and Murphy must have shown somewhere but not for a long time at Hibs.

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Since452
29-01-2022, 08:46 PM
Starting lineup wasn't right. Henderson looks like a player who struggled at Dunfermline. Campbell picked again. Worrying times.

Jonnyboy
29-01-2022, 08:54 PM
Can’t argue with anything you’ve written JB other than to say for once you’ve not awarded an MOTM.
Would it surprise anyone to say it was an ex loan player, who during that spell, played well for us?

Well spotted! I'd give it to Omeonga or Forrest if they played for us but ............... Kevin Nisbet for me.

IberianHibernian
29-01-2022, 08:58 PM
Great write up as always .
Think Livi deserve some credit too even if many of us refuse to believe we should ever lose to any team from outside Glasgow . They had a fantastic run when Martindale took over ( about 12 games unbeaten with most of them wins I think ) and Tam McManus said Livi had won 4 out of last 7 games before today so they`re obviously on form . Lots of mentions here about Omeonga tonight but otherwise doubt people would be celebrating if we signed any Livi player but they obviously outmuscled us and made most of our weakness at setpieces .
Midfielders getting slaughtered on other threads but in the end we let in 3 goals due to a goalkeeping error and poor defending for other 2 goals . Thought Porto had a terrible game in defence and distribution .
Some positives though - Nisbet played very well and I thought Mueller looked good too . Despite flak for midfielders I thought JDH had a good game and in recent matches has been looking for forward pass much more than with previous manager .
So very disappointing result but we`ve certainly played a lot worse even when winning .

Mrimbetween
29-01-2022, 08:59 PM
Give your best player options , it works


#right now its not there

Tyler Durden
29-01-2022, 09:01 PM
Porto’s attempts to defend Forrest’s goal was shocking. Really abysmal stuff. He got away with a similar error in the first half when he let Nouble cut in from the left. He cost us a goal in similar fashion against Brophy of St Mirren earlier this season. He also gave away the winning penalty when he fouled Ryan Kent cutting in from the left for Rangers.

He’s just making far too many costly errors and I would drop him for Tuesday if Hanlon and McGinn are available.

Swedish hibee
29-01-2022, 09:02 PM
It's more disappointment for me. New players need time, young players need time but where is the hunger from our experienced players gone?

Stevie Reid
29-01-2022, 09:05 PM
I said immediately after the game that that felt like the tail end of Duffy’s time with us. It wasn’t a flippant comment.

No discernible idea of what we are trying to do, change for the sake of change and no answers to a team of bog standard SPL players, managed by an amiable but far from impressive coach.

We’re in real trouble. Back in October it felt like we had a squad with some quality but light on numbers. Feels like the opposite tonight.

Always one for taking the positives from games but I can’t think of one tonight - other than that the final result could have been worse.

IberianHibernian
29-01-2022, 09:09 PM
Porto’s attempts to defend Forrest’s goal was shocking. Really abysmal stuff. He got away with a similar error in the first half when he let Nouble cut in from the left. He cost us a goal in similar fashion against Brophy of St Mirren earlier this season. He also gave away the winning penalty when he fouled Ryan Kent cutting in from the left for Rangers.

He’s just making far too many costly errors and I would drop him for Tuesday if Hanlon and McGinn are available.I agree with this . Some will say he was rusty after suspension and winter break but that certainly wouldn`t be accepted as an excuse in leagues where he probably hopes to move to where training is as intense as matches .

IberianHibernian
29-01-2022, 09:24 PM
Livingstone thoroughly deserved that win, I would swap every one of our players for every one of theirs today, and the manager.
Players don’t want the ball, once they have passed it their job is done, throws in? Nobody moves, happy to stand still marked by an opposing player.
Play out from the back by all means but our forwards were alway facing and heading towards our own goal.
They had to accept a pass, control the ball then turn towards the livvy goal, not a chance.

Poorest display I’ve seen in a long time.

Look forward to next Saturday.Bad result but far from our worst performance in last couple of years surely ? 2 goals , hit post , other shots blocked after creating very few chances v Cove and Motherwell . At half time I was actually thinking it was one of our best performances of season .

Kaff
29-01-2022, 09:48 PM
Scott Allan this season is the conundrum.
He started to get extended game time and actually starting matches when we were in that good run at the start of the season, Rangers game he starts and we’re on top of the game until Porto gets sent off, Scotty is the sacrificial sub for defensive cover.
Since then we’ve hardly played a decent game (semi final obviously an exception) and equally Scott has hardly played any minutes.
The semi was all about pace on the counter and that’s not his game but all these matches like Motherwell away are crying out for his direct creativity, for whatever reason he obviously needs game time to get his sharpness and for the life of me I can’t see how a manager at this level doesn’t see what he can do when he’s up to that level of fitness.
The only reason I will accept that he doesn’t get game time is a poor attitude in training but if that’s the case I’ll criticise a manager who puts that player on the bench.
I’m so frustrated by this at the moment, the dirge we currently watch could be lifted by so many levels with his inclusion. We may not get into the top 4 but at least we’d be playing with a bit of tempo and in the right areas of the pitch, we are brutal atm

Bridge hibs
30-01-2022, 06:54 AM
I said immediately after the game that that felt like the tail end of Duffy’s time with us. It wasn’t a flippant comment.

No discernible idea of what we are trying to do, change for the sake of change and no answers to a team of bog standard SPL players, managed by an amiable but far from impressive coach.

We’re in real trouble. Back in October it felt like we had a squad with some quality but light on numbers. Feels like the opposite tonight.

Always one for taking the positives from games but I can’t think of one tonight - other than that the final result could have been worse.I was talking to a colleague a while ago about having a spine in the team, an example being the league cup final win v Killie, Jones at the back, Scott Brown in midfield and hard working Strikers who knew where the goals were in Fletcher and Benji. Back to front were were pretty solid.

Add in Murphy, Stevenson, Sproule and Zemama to that mix. Yesterdays performance was light years away from a team with a spine, completely disorganised and devoid of any idea, shape or skill.

I agree Stevie, looking at that performance yesterday and Im struggling to see where the next win is going to come from unless we pull a couple of good signings who will hit the ground running within the next day or so. I dont feel overly optimistic though

Im normally a positive thinker when it comes to hibs but Im struggling to see anything positive just now, come on tae **** hibs, get the finger oot 🤣

Tambo
30-01-2022, 06:57 AM
I bet it was as tough writing that as It was viewing the game today JB, but it's an accurate write up as always.

I thought Porteous easily had his worst game in a Hibs shirt. I also feel for Campbell - he's a young lad who has made a promising start to his Hibs career, but he's been very poor for a while now and he needs a break from the side, to allow him to regroup and get his confidence back.

Stunned by the last 5/10 minutes of the game. Where was the urgency to push forward and get an equaliser? We were getting beaten at home by Livi FFS. We just continued passing the ball back and forward across the pitch at the same pace. Not acceptable.

I was surprised to see Porto go on the right of the back 3 and Rocky in the middle.

This was just another home result and performance from the past few years I want to forget about.

Jones28
30-01-2022, 07:07 AM
Good write up as usual JB.

I’m glad someone saw Nisbet the same way as me, I thought he played well and worked his socks off. Something frustrating me though is that while he’s been good dropping deep and linking the play, it means that our wingers have no one to hit in the box. He’s usually so deep that he is at best hovering at the edge of the box for the crosses.

We desperately need him and Doidge up and firing.

BILLYHIBS
30-01-2022, 08:16 AM
Thanks for posting Jonnyboy

It’s a sair fecht!

EVENTUALLY
30-01-2022, 08:20 AM
Scott Allan this season is the conundrum.
He started to get extended game time and actually starting matches when we were in that good run at the start of the season, Rangers game he starts and we’re on top of the game until Porto gets sent off, Scotty is the sacrificial sub for defensive cover.
Since then we’ve hardly played a decent game (semi final obviously an exception) and equally Scott has hardly played any minutes.
The semi was all about pace on the counter and that’s not his game but all these matches like Motherwell away are crying out for his direct creativity, for whatever reason he obviously needs game time to get his sharpness and for the life of me I can’t see how a manager at this level doesn’t see what he can do when he’s up to that level of fitness.
The only reason I will accept that he doesn’t get game time is a poor attitude in training but if that’s the case I’ll criticise a manager who puts that player on the bench.
I’m so frustrated by this at the moment, the dirge we currently watch could be lifted by so many levels with his inclusion. We may not get into the top 4 but at least we’d be playing with a bit of tempo and in the right areas of the pitch, we are brutal atm

Spot on.

The manager talks about breaking the lines but the constant slow tempo and sideways/backwards passing of JDH and Newell does nothing to achieve this. Scott Allan is a player who looks to turn with ball and move forward and is still very capable of beating an onrushing opponent. Get him right in the middle of the park were his skill and ability would provide the team with a link between defence and attack. He is as capable as the Negative Twosome to knock it sideways or backwards if absolutely necessary but he will always look to be positive and go forward. To persist with Murphy and Wright is a waste of time , both of whom flatter to deceive time and time again. JDH and Newell are engrained with a negative approach. Gogic's skill level is inadequate to do the job.

I'd pick a midfield around SA and take advantage of his skills that nobody else in the squad possess or have the confidence to demonstrate.

Callum_62
30-01-2022, 08:40 AM
Spot on.

The manager talks about breaking the lines but the constant slow tempo and sideways/backwards passing of JDH and Newell does nothing to achieve this. Scott Allan is a player who looks to turn with ball and move forward and is still very capable of beating an onrushing opponent. Get him right in the middle of the park were his skill and ability would provide the team with a link between defence and attack. He is as capable as the Negative Twosome to knock it sideways or backwards if absolutely necessary but he will always look to be positive and go forward. To persist with Murphy and Wright is a waste of time , both of whom flatter to deceive time and time again. JDH and Newell are engrained with a negative approach. Gogic's skill level is inadequate to do the job.

I'd pick a midfield around SA and take advantage of his skills that nobody else in the squad possess or have the confidence to demonstrate.A team aiming for top 4 and you'd build the side around Scott Allan?

Maybe of 4 years ago but no way now

The teams linked with wanting him gives you an idea of where he is now at

A desperate Dundee and the scottish championship

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Green_one
30-01-2022, 08:45 AM
Nisbet was a definite pass on build up play but scoring wise failed to hit the target every time. Admittedly both strikers got little service

Livi’s midfield played well or were made to look good. Could not decide which.

Cadden got both room and position many times in the game but can not look up and make the cross. Simply fires it in there.

Mitchell went from real asset to invisible. Was always going to fade.

The whole tactic of playing out from the back failed. Subs made no difference to that.

Awful game. More to come I suspect. The St Mirren game could be brutal. Already blanking out the derby.

EVENTUALLY
30-01-2022, 08:51 AM
A team aiming for top 4 and you'd build the side around Scott Allan?

Maybe of 4 years ago but no way now

The teams linked with wanting him gives you an idea of where he is now at

A desperate Dundee and the scottish championship

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Maybe they want him because they know what he will bring to their team.

How many bids are coming in for JDH Newell Wright Murphy Campbell Gogic ?

gbhibby
30-01-2022, 09:02 AM
Nisbet made more constructive passes in the midfield area than all the other midfielders put together. JDH and Henderson should not be in the team together. The high press seems to have disappeared. The manager is trying to give the new players game time so I suppose we have to give him time but he needs to get the team selection right for Tuesday.

HUTCHYHIBBY
30-01-2022, 09:06 AM
Bad result but far from our worst performance in last couple of years surely ? 2 goals , hit post , other shots blocked after creating very few chances v Cove and Motherwell . At half time I was actually thinking it was one of our best performances of season .

The 2nd half more than balanced that out unfortunately, absolutely dire.

HibbyAndy
30-01-2022, 09:09 AM
The 2nd half more than balanced that out unfortunately, absolutely dire.

That 2nd half performance was as poor as i can recall in a long long time ! 4 minutes of injury time go up and we are still fannying about playing the ball sideways

Dreadful dreadful stuff

Highwayman
30-01-2022, 09:28 AM
Good report as always JB.
Hibs second half performance was as poor as any witnessed during JRs time.
Pity that Macey picked this one to give one of his poorest performances in a Hibs strip.
Whilst I agree that Nisbet put in a good shift and no way he could be described as lazy what he was doing is not in his job description.Tracking back and clearing shots of the line is all well and good but he’s there to score goals.
Which brings me to Chris Cadden.He like Stuart Lovell is never going to be a fans favourite.He’s not that type of player.But he seemed to be the only player yesterday that was trying to comply with Maloney’s requirements.The criticism of his crosses puzzles me.What’s he supposed to when he gets ready to cross,ask the opposing defender to wait until the other players get into the box.The criticisms are being targeted at the wrong place
So onward to the Jambos.Maybe Maloney has a cunning plan up his sleeve.Or maybe not ???