What would you do?

[A Hi-Bee]

Of course all hypothetical but it is the easiest thing in the world to apply criticism to things, but a wee bit more difficult to fix things.
If you could what would you do to make things better at Hibs.
:thumbsup:

[Silky]

Of course all hypothetical but it is the easiest thing in the world to apply criticism to things, but a wee bit more difficult to fix things.
If you could what would you do to make things better at Hibs.
:thumbsup:

Experienced manager.

[S4uzee]

We missed a trick not going for McInnes. He knows the league well and more often than not signed good players and knew what was required. Opportunity missed IMO

[truehibernian]

No sentiment - sport and football is (sadly) rutheless if you want success.

Lewy, Hanlon and Darren go in summer.

Murphy, Wright, Scott, Gogic, Allan, Paul McGinn all go.

A fair big chunk of salaries there to be re-invested in younger, better, more creative and dynamic players.

[Iain G]

Of course all hypothetical but it is the easiest thing in the world to apply criticism to things, but a wee bit more difficult to fix things.
If you could what would you do to make things better at Hibs.
:thumbsup:

Pray for another lockdown to keep the fans out the grounds 🤣

[Franck Stanton]

Sign one of not two experienced centre midfield player that can control the tempo of a game, we are so soft centres teams are easily controlling the centre of the pitch.

[BSEJVT]

No sentiment - sport and football is (sadly) rutheless if you want success.

Lewy, Hanlon and Darren go in summer.

Murphy, Wright, Scott, Gogic, Allan, Paul McGinn all go.

A fair big chunk of salaries there to be re-invested in younger, better, more creative and dynamic players.

I think for me the answer would be stop viewing Hibs Net and reading utter pish like the above

Hibs have plenty problems, but they mostly stem from our midfield

[Pretty Boy]

Sign someone who arrives late in the box like Magennis does.

Ideally Magennis would do the role himself but with his recent injury history and how long he took to get going after his last injury we can't be hanging all our hopes on him.

[JammyDoidger]

We missed a trick not going for McInnes. He knows the league well and more often than not signed good players and knew what was required. Opportunity missed IMO

Totally agree. The crap about had aberdeen playing rubbish football etc, I don't agree with that, he was effective away from home and hard to beat, but they had good wide players aswell as a goalscorer. Rooney, hayes and Mcginn at their peak were superb for them.

[The 90+2]

Get up on my feet and let go of every excuse
What would you do?
'Cause I wouldn't want my baby to go through what I went through
C'mon, what would you do?
Get up on my feet and stop making tired excuses
What would you do?
Girl, I know if my mother can do it, baby, you can do it

Couldnt help it sorry :greengrin

[truehibernian]

I think for me the answer would be stop viewing Hibs Net and reading utter pish like the above

Hibs have plenty problems, but they mostly stem from our midfield

How many of those players would you keep next season ?

[Pretty Boy]

I think for me the answer would be stop viewing Hibs Net and reading utter pish like the above

Hibs have plenty problems, but they mostly stem from our midfield

Tbh I'd remove Hanlon and Stevenson from the list as they are still good players, certainly for having in the squad. McGinn may fall into that category as well although it isn't a huge surprise to me we have signed 2 right sided defenders.

The rest I agree with. A lot of money tied up in those guys for not a huge amount of return.

[The 90+2]

Seriously, can anyone from Hibs.net ask the club who is in charge of recruitment and has Mathie been formally replaced or is it just make it up as we go along now?

Is there ahead of recruitment? We got told for years that all was in place that should a manager leave then it would be seamless for the next guy now Maloney needs a whole new squad (that of the one that finished third)? Is Maloney signing the players?

[bigwheel]

Seriously, can anyone from Hibs.net ask the club who is in charge of recruitment and has Mathie been formally replaced or is it just make it up as we go along now?

Is there ahead of recruitment? We got told for years that all was in place that should a manager leave then it would be seamless for the next guy now Maloney needs a whole new squad (that of the one that finished third)? Is Maloney signing the players?

It’s Ian Gordon, shown clearly on the club website

[A Hi-Bee]

Sign one of not two experienced centre midfield player that can control the tempo of a game, we are so soft centres teams are easily controlling the centre of the pitch.

Dont pretend to have the answers but I agree with this, the new better goalkeeper can wait until next season, but we need a couple of very direct mobile tough midfield players who can control a game, I would like to see someone like Snodgrass come back to Scotland with Hibs (sure he started out wi Livi all them years ago)

[Bobo]

We lack a strong spine throughout the middle of the team so I would like to see the following:

A keeper - who commands his box, claims high balls, good distribution.
A Centre Half - strong, dominant organiser, no nonsense player.
A Centre Mid - an enforcer, leader and driving force someone who influences play on both sides of the ball
2x Strikers - strong, fast, fearless and direct.

[The 90+2]

It’s Ian Gordon, shown clearly on the club website


Have you got a link to his profile on the website please?

Past experiences, his role, that kind of thing that George Craig and Mathie both had.

[BSEJVT]

How many of those players would you keep next season ?

As it happens only Hanlon & Stevenson but you fail completely to deal with the chronic issues in midfield other than by getting rid of guys who aren't playing, and not even all of those.

IMO we have three near identical midfielders in Newall JDH & Campbell and only the first of this is worth keeping based on current form.

Its almost like a default for some folk to have Hanlon & Stevenson on their lists, well Hanlon didnt play today and we saw the carnage that unfolded.

[The 90+2]

As it happens only Hanlon & Stevenson but you fail completely to deal with the chronic issues in midfield other than by getting rid of guys who aren't playing, and not even all of those.

IMO we have three near identical midfielders in Newall JDH & Campbell and only the first of this is worth keeping based on current form.

Its almost like a default for some folk to have Hanlon & Stevenson on their lists, well Hanlon didnt play today and we saw the carnage that unfolded.


Now that Boyle's gone Paul Hanlon is easily our best player. :agree:

[IberianHibernian]

No sentiment - sport and football is (sadly) rutheless if you want success.

Lewy, Hanlon and Darren go in summer.

Murphy, Wright, Scott, Gogic, Allan, Paul McGinn all go.

A fair big chunk of salaries there to be re-invested in younger, better, more creative and dynamic players.I would expect 2 or 3 of your list to leave in the next 2 days and more in summer . Despite results like today I think recent signings are a good start to bringing in better young players . Now a question of finding a few more experienced players , hopefully better or at least more effective than the ones you mention . Probably talking of summer arrivals . Back in autumn when we had a lot of injuries some were saying we still had the 3rd best 11 in the league when everyone available but didn`t have enough on the bench . Very hard to get quality / quantity balance but hopefully development team idea will mean better subs available when necessary .

[truehibernian]

As it happens only Hanlon & Stevenson but you fail completely to deal with the chronic issues in midfield other than by getting rid of guys who aren't playing, and not even all of those.

IMO we have three near identical midfielders in Newall JDH & Campbell and only the first of this is worth keeping based on current form.

Its almost like a default for some folk to have Hanlon & Stevenson on their lists, well Hanlon didnt play today and we saw the carnage that unfolded.

Read all of my previous posts about the midfield area, the thread and post was on 'what would you do' - and I'd ship every one of those players out, all different positions, and replace with fitter, younger, hungrier and more creative players. Midfield is an area close to my heart and I want lots of energy and creativity in there - there's none - so we agree on that point.

Moving forward, and if we really want to progress, you have to move on players who have been there too long as well. For me, the three legends - and they are - have had their time - we need new players in those positions too.

[john rossi]

Yes a replacement for Boyle is important but midfield is our main problem we badly need 2players who can control the tempo and defend.

[Brightside]

Of course all hypothetical but it is the easiest thing in the world to apply criticism to things, but a wee bit more difficult to fix things.
If you could what would you do to make things better at Hibs.
:thumbsup:

Not sack jack. Give him the funds.

[The 90+2]

Yes a replacement for Boyle is important but midfield is our main problem we badly need 2players who can control the tempo and defend.


Not sack jack. Give him the funds.


:agree:

:top marks

Both posts spot on.

[Hibees1973]

1. A new owner.

Ideally someone local and an affinity with Hibs. One who does not spout about large screens, being the greenest club in Scotland and vegan pies.

2. A chief executive who is decisive, media savvy and someone we can trust.

3. An experienced first team manager able to attract players to play at SPFL level, an ability to coach and develop players we already have.

We've had inspirational people and able people at the club in these positions in the last few years and been successful. Not any longer and this is why the support is turning against them.

There will be a near full house on Tuesday. Anything less than a win or at the very least a draw with a good performance then it's going to get messy.

[Brightside]

Now that Boyle's gone Paul Hanlon is easily our best player. :agree:

That’s day I thought would never come. 😂

[heretoday]

We need a midfield maestro! Allan is not strong enough. Mallan used to be quite good.

[The 90+2]

That’s day I thought would never come. 😂


Hanlon has always been brilliant. He's a stand out now though. :wink:

[judas]

No sentiment - sport and football is (sadly) rutheless if you want success.

Lewy, Hanlon and Darren go in summer.

Murphy, Wright, Scott, Gogic, Allan, Paul McGinn all go.

A fair big chunk of salaries there to be re-invested in younger, better, more creative and dynamic players.

This, except Lewy.

[bingo70]

1. A new owner.

Ideally someone local and an affinity with Hibs. One who does not spout about large screens, being the greenest club in Scotland and vegan pies.

2. A chief executive who is decisive, media savvy and someone we can trust.

3. An experienced first team manager able to attract players to play at SPFL level, an ability to coach and develop players we already have.

We've had inspirational people and able people at the club in these positions in the last few years and been successful. Not any longer and this is why the support is turning against them.

There will be a near full house on Tuesday. Anything less than a win or at the very least a draw with a good performance then it's going to get messy.

You don’t think our chief executive is decisive?

FWIW I Disagree with your other points too.

[Is It On....]

Seriously, can anyone from Hibs.net ask the club who is in charge of recruitment and has Mathie been formally replaced or is it just make it up as we go along now?

Is there ahead of recruitment? We got told for years that all was in place that should a manager leave then it would be seamless for the next guy now Maloney needs a whole new squad (that of the one that finished third)? Is Maloney signing the players?

I keep asking that question and would love to know the answer.

[bingo70]

I keep asking that question and would love to know the answer.

It was answered on this thread and by Ben Kinsell on a podcast recently.

There’s a recruitment department. Ian Gordon is the head of it. Maloney signs off any potential signings and will play a part in finding players as well.

It’s not a one man job.

[xyz23jc]

We missed a trick not going for McInnes. He knows the league well and more often than not signed good players and knew what was required. Opportunity missed IMO

Good shout mate, although given his hun sympathies, it would always have worked against him, plus the fact when The Rangers came calling again, he would have done a GJP!

[xyz23jc]

No sentiment - sport and football is (sadly) rutheless if you want success.

Lewy, Hanlon and Darren go in summer.

Murphy, Wright, Scott, Gogic, Allan, Paul McGinn all go.

A fair big chunk of salaries there to be re-invested in younger, better, more creative and dynamic players.

Soccer mercenaries.....As for the latter, is not that what we are doing at the mo? Blueprint for success, how much have the two uglies squa.... sorry, spent on achieving that? Cough ...cough.... who said anythin' bout....Dirty onythin'.... You what...cough....cough eh? :wink:

[Is It On....]

It was answered on this thread and by Ben Kinsell on a podcast recently.

There’s a recruitment department. Ian Gordon is the head of it. Maloney signs off any potential signings and will play a part in finding players as well.

It’s not a one man job.

And Ian Gordon learned his craft in analysing data for assessment in player recruitment where? Not getting McGrath when he became available on the last day of the transfer window seems to have been a very convenient excuse to get rid of Mathie as we had a system and process that was broadly working with year on year improvement in the playing staff. This is evidenced by steady improvement in the league and cups. I hope I am wrong but player recruitment seems to be going back to the failed ways of the past.

[HoboHarry]

I'd ban fans from imparting their wisdom on social media platforms. :doh:

[hibbysam]

And Ian Gordon learned his craft in analysing data for assessment in player recruitment where? Not getting McGrath when he became available on the last day of the transfer window seems to have been a very convenient excuse to get rid of Mathie as we had a system and process that was broadly working with year on year improvement in the playing staff. This is evidenced by steady improvement in the league and cups. I hope I am wrong but player recruitment seems to be going back to the failed ways of the past.

McGrath was irrelevant. We needed a centre forward and a centre half (at least one) and got none. Screwed us big time.

[Since452]

Of course all hypothetical but it is the easiest thing in the world to apply criticism to things, but a wee bit more difficult to fix things.
If you could what would you do to make things better at Hibs.
:thumbsup:

Not our job. We effectively pay the people at the club to get it right.

[Since452]

We missed a trick not going for McInnes. He knows the league well and more often than not signed good players and knew what was required. Opportunity missed IMO

100%

[heid the baw]

I would have gone for McInnes and kept Leanne Dempster

[bingo70]

And Ian Gordon learned his craft in analysing data for assessment in player recruitment where? Not getting McGrath when he became available on the last day of the transfer window seems to have been a very convenient excuse to get rid of Mathie as we had a system and process that was broadly working with year on year improvement in the playing staff. This is evidenced by steady improvement in the league and cups. I hope I am wrong but player recruitment seems to be going back to the failed ways of the past.

Ian Gordon manages the team I assume and doesn’t analyse the data himself.

I do agree that there should be more transparency about his involvement though.

[GreenCastle]

We lack a strong spine throughout the middle of the team so I would like to see the following:

A keeper - who commands his box, claims high balls, good distribution.
A Centre Half - strong, dominant organiser, no nonsense player.
A Centre Mid - an enforcer, leader and driving force someone who influences play on both sides of the ball
2x Strikers - strong, fast, fearless and direct.

Agreed.

Marciano was better than Macey. So we have 100% down graded. Macey isn’t awful but it’s a downgrade.

A captain / leader or even 2 or 3.

X centre midfielders - no one fears playing Newell or JDH.

2 strikers has been enough for a while so hopefully We add another x 1 at least.

Boyle replacement- they knew he was going to be sold at some point so who is lined up to be his replacement - that means a right winger.

Jack Ross signed vanilla players - the fans need entertainment- players they can relate to and get behind.

[gegs70]

New goalkeeper, a centre mid and a striker please.

[Cool_Hand_Luke]

Play Scott Allan…

[LeithMike]

There’s a recruitment department. Ian Gordon is the head of it. Maloney signs off any potential signings and will play a part in finding players as well.

It’s not a one man job.

Surely its a bit of a worry if Ian Gordon has no previous experience of football recruitment and Maloney has . . . no previous experience of football recruitment?

I may be old school but if I was running a football club in that situation I'd be looking for a strong manager to take control of everything and do my damndest to make sure he was good by looking at his previous record.

We've made our choice now so we just have to hope that Gordon and Maloney are quick learners. It's not really the way it should have been done though.

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[silverhibee]

Not sack jack. Give him the funds.

He’s gone, get over it.

[McGruber]

1. A new owner.

Ideally someone local and an affinity with Hibs. One who does not spout about large screens, being the greenest club in Scotland and vegan pies.

2. A chief executive who is decisive, media savvy and someone we can trust.

3. An experienced first team manager able to attract players to play at SPFL level, an ability to coach and develop players we already have.

We've had inspirational people and able people at the club in these positions in the last few years and been successful. Not any longer and this is why the support is turning against them.

There will be a near full house on Tuesday. Anything less than a win or at the very least a draw with a good performance then it's going to get messy.

1. Tom Farmer
2. Leeann Dempster
3. Jack Ross

Sorted

[Glory Lurker]

I'd ban fans from imparting their wisdom on social media platforms. :doh:

End of. Close thread.

[WeeRussell]

I think for me the answer would be stop viewing Hibs Net and reading utter pish like the above

Hibs have plenty problems, but they mostly stem from our midfield

Second sentence is it for me. Without singling anyone out in particular, and recognising we could do with improving in most areas, I really would like to see Boyle money spent on a centre midfielder (or two).

[Col2]

It’s not rocket science and doesn’t need to be with the benefit of hindsight.

1. Appoint an experienced Manager. Like Alex Neil.
2. Told Boyle he will get his move but not until the summer unless silly money offered to club.
3. Brought in experience and fit players. Not 7 or 8 but 3 or 4. Players that can make a difference this season given rewards for 3rd are minimum £4m for European guaranteed group stage. Watt from Motherwell perfect example. Given we know we have spent >£500k in fees so far, we have the cash.
4. The above recruitment would be focused on obvious problem areas, defense, creativity in midfield, width and penetration in attack (not least some goals).

We have in fact done the opposite to all the above. We have also been unlucky with injuries and are not getting enough from existing players.

[Northernhibee]

I think we need someone who has managed in the Scottish Premiership in to help advice Maloney. Massive alarm bells are ringing for me in terms of comparisons with Heckingbottom - signing players with plenty of technical ability but no physical midfielder who can impose himself on a game, weird subs, an unshakeable desire to play a possession based style of football but not having the right players nor the footballing landscape overall that suits it (e.g. the state of pitches at this time of year, the general amount of cloggers up here who will just press and foul us out of a game). Even loaning Dylan Tait out to Killie worries me, by the sounds of it he's part of what we're needing but if we're expecting him to hone his technical ability in the Scottish Championship then we're going to be sorely disappointed.

We need to try and find a Marvin Bartley style midfielder (I'm not sure if Gogic is the answer but he was very good at points last season) who can add steel to the midfield.

I think an advisor of someone who's managed at this level (the first name that came to mind was John Hughes but I know he's in work just now) but I think we need someone to put some street smarts to the idealism of Maloney. I do think he could be very successful with us but I think he needs to be patient.

[Real Emerald]

It’s not rocket science and doesn’t need to be with the benefit of hindsight.

1. Appoint an experienced Manager. Like Alex Neil.
2. Told Boyle he will get his move but not until the summer unless silly money offered to club.
3. Brought in experience and fit players. Not 7 or 8 but 3 or 4. Players that can make a difference this season given rewards for 3rd are minimum £4m for European guaranteed group stage. Watt from Motherwell perfect example. Given we know we have spent >£500k in fees so far, we have the cash.
4. The above recruitment would be focused on obvious problem areas, defense, creativity in midfield, width and penetration in attack (not lead some goals).

We have in fact done the opposite to all the above. We have also been unlucky with injuries and are not getting enough from existing players.

That’s exactly the way I’d have liked them to go. We could have still cashed in on Botyle in the summer and kept our season alive. The £3m will be gone in our lost season now.

[WeeRussell]

I think we need someone who has managed in the Scottish Premiership in to help advice Maloney. Massive alarm bells are ringing for me in terms of comparisons with Heckingbottom - signing players with plenty of technical ability but no physical midfielder who can impose himself on a game, weird subs, an unshakeable desire to play a possession based style of football but not having the right players nor the footballing landscape overall that suits it (e.g. the state of pitches at this time of year, the general amount of cloggers up here who will just press and foul us out of a game). Even loaning Dylan Tait out to Killie worries me, by the sounds of it he's part of what we're needing but if we're expecting him to hone his technical ability in the Scottish Championship then we're going to be sorely disappointed.

We need to try and find a Marvin Bartley style midfielder (I'm not sure if Gogic is the answer but he was very good at points last season) who can add steel to the midfield.

I think an advisor of someone who's managed at this level (the first name that came to mind was John Hughes but I know he's in work just now) but I think we need someone to put some street smarts to the idealism of Maloney. I do think he could be very successful with us but I think he needs to be patient.

I often get the feeling I would get on quite well with you NH and like a lot of your posts…

But your suggestion of John Hughes helping our situation alarms me 😁

[WeeRussell]

It’s not rocket science and doesn’t need to be with the benefit of hindsight.

1. Appoint an experienced Manager. Like Alex Neil.
2. Told Boyle he will get his move but not until the summer unless silly money offered to club.
3. Brought in experience and fit players. Not 7 or 8 but 3 or 4. Players that can make a difference this season given rewards for 3rd are minimum £4m for European guaranteed group stage. Watt from Motherwell perfect example. Given we know we have spent >£500k in fees so far, we have the cash.
4. The above recruitment would be focused on obvious problem areas, defense, creativity in midfield, width and penetration in attack (not least some goals).

We have in fact done the opposite to all the above. We have also been unlucky with injuries and are not getting enough from existing players.

With respect though, it’s not that simple and this is hindsight after a month..

1: we don’t know Alex Neil would have been the remedy, same we don’t know yet SM is the ticket.

2: the silly money was offered now. It was good for us and the player.. it was always getting accepted.

3: we’ve brought in players with varying levels experience in different leagues to ours. Remains to be seen how they work out. Tony Watt has had what.. the equivalent of one full good season in this league?

4: these are generally, if things work out, the areas we’ve addressed?


I’m not saying you’re talking nonsense by the way.. just giving an alternative to the “it’s not rocket science” simplified and seemingly knee-jerk view after a poor week at the office 👍

[Northernhibee]

I often get the feeling I would get on quite well with you NH and like a lot of your posts…



I'm really deeply concerned about your judgment then :greengrin

[WeeRussell]

I'm really deeply concerned about your judgment then :greengrin

A fairer comment than you think 😁👍