Perception

[Hibees1973]

Let's be honest here.

Much as some of us hear rumours about players signing, listening to positive words from Ron Gordon about his plan and vision for Hibs, none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes at the club.

All I have seen in the last few months is an excellent chief executive in Dempster leaving, a good manager being sacked (know that decision split our support), our best player leaving and then a series of players signed, of which none of them seem to have been signed to slot into a weak position in the first eleven. All the players signed in the last year are not proven at this level which represents a huge risk. Recruitment is the biggest mystery to me. Due to the recent change in manager and all these new players coming in the door, who the hell is deciding which players are coming in. So far, it just seems a complete mess to me.

So far Maloney does not seem the sort of character who will inspire and develop the players we have.

The perception I have is that that the club is rudderless and being run by people not really qualified to get us into the top 3 in the league and regularly into Europe.

I guess we will know between now and the end of the season when w we can judge Maloney and these new players, but the signs do not appear good to me.

Not long ago I used to look forward to watching Hibs. Not now.

What a mess.

[Chorley Hibee]

I too am concerned about where we are heading under the current owner, particularly with our approach to player recruitment.

Rudderless is about right, and it just all seems a bit shambolic at present.

[tonyrougier123]

Let's be honest here.

Much as some of us hear rumours about players signing, listening to positive words from Ron Gordon about his plan and vision for Hibs, none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes at the club.

All I have seen in the last few months is an excellent chief executive in Dempster leaving, a good manager being sacked (know that decision split our support), our best player leaving and then a series of players signed, of which none of them seem to have been signed to slot into a weak position in the first eleven. All the players signed in the last year are not proven at this level which represents a huge risk. Recruitment is the biggest mystery to me. Due to the recent change in manager and all these new players coming in the door, who the hell is deciding which players are coming in. So far, it just seems a complete mess to me.

So far Maloney does not seem the sort of character who will inspire and develop the players we have.

The perception I have is that that the club is rudderless and being run by people not really qualified to get us into the top 3 in the league and regularly into Europe.

I guess we will know between now and the end of the season when w we can judge Maloney and these new players, but the signs do not appear good to me.

Not long ago I used to look forward to watching Hibs. Not now.

What a mess.

10/10👍🏻

[The 90+2]

Soft, lack creativity and personality.

Boyler leaving will hit us more than just his role on the pitch.

It's like clone city apart from Rocky.

[Callum_62]

I've no idea how anyone can say Maloney won't inspire or improve the players here

How can you even form that opinion?



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[The 90+2]

I've no idea how anyone can say Maloney won't inspire or improve the players here

How can you even form that opinion?



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Erm because they all look scared, mistakes central and there's been no improvement.

Turn it around, what has he done that you can see he's inspired or made anyone better?

[Hibs90]

Let's be honest here.

Much as some of us hear rumours about players signing, listening to positive words from Ron Gordon about his plan and vision for Hibs, none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes at the club.

All I have seen in the last few months is an excellent chief executive in Dempster leaving, a good manager being sacked (know that decision split our support), our best player leaving and then a series of players signed, of which none of them seem to have been signed to slot into a weak position in the first eleven. All the players signed in the last year are not proven at this level which represents a huge risk. Recruitment is the biggest mystery to me. Due to the recent change in manager and all these new players coming in the door, who the hell is deciding which players are coming in. So far, it just seems a complete mess to me.

So far Maloney does not seem the sort of character who will inspire and develop the players we have.

The perception I have is that that the club is rudderless and being run by people not really qualified to get us into the top 3 in the league and regularly into Europe.

I guess we will know between now and the end of the season when w we can judge Maloney and these new players, but the signs do not appear good to me.

Not long ago I used to look forward to watching Hibs. Not now.

What a mess.

I agree apart from the bit about JR.

I am growing concerned with those running the club. Ron, Ben and Ian that is you.

Ian Gordon seems like a strange appointment and it just doesn't sit right with me and never has tbh. The squad is imbalanced and lacking in quality across the pitch in particularly the midfield area. I get the feeling it's all about just 'getting the deal done' with him, rather than a structured approach and clear plan. Speaking of, what the **** is the plan for the club moving forward? Does anyone actually know?

[Callum_62]

Erm because they all look scared, mistakes central and there's been no improvement.

Turn it around, what has he done that you can see he's inspired or made anyone better?Cadden for one

Our defence up until today for 2

We are falling back into the 'doenst shout enough' to be a character territory



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[The 90+2]

Cadden for one

Our defence up until today for 2

We are falling back into the 'doenst shout enough' to be a character territory



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Our defense was a shambles first half in Glasgow and against Cove. Even more so today.

I'm not talking about having the character to shout. I'm talking about players not having the character to play football with confidence. There's no swagger or enjoyment it seems. Just a bunch of rudderless average players going through the motions.

Cadden has been out POTY. He's only Maloney success story from his inheritance so far.

Has Maloney improved the players or the team? Nah.

He needs his own team? Why did Ross get sacked without getting a chance to turn things around with signings in that case? Surely the whole point in punting him was to improve the side we have right now.

[The Captain....]

Let's be honest here.

Much as some of us hear rumours about players signing, listening to positive words from Ron Gordon about his plan and vision for Hibs, none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes at the club.

All I have seen in the last few months is an excellent chief executive in Dempster leaving, a good manager being sacked (know that decision split our support), our best player leaving and then a series of players signed, of which none of them seem to have been signed to slot into a weak position in the first eleven. All the players signed in the last year are not proven at this level which represents a huge risk. Recruitment is the biggest mystery to me. Due to the recent change in manager and all these new players coming in the door, who the hell is deciding which players are coming in. So far, it just seems a complete mess to me.

So far Maloney does not seem the sort of character who will inspire and develop the players we have.

The perception I have is that that the club is rudderless and being run by people not really qualified to get us into the top 3 in the league and regularly into Europe.

I guess we will know between now and the end of the season when w we can judge Maloney and these new players, but the signs do not appear good to me.

Not long ago I used to look forward to watching Hibs. Not now.

What a mess.Largely agree..I'm hoping we start to invest the Boyle money wisely but other than Rocky I'm pretty dispirited with our business over the last few windows.

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[Nicho87]

Leanne Dempster spoke with passion and on a fans level.

I don’t get any of that now. Fancy screens and greenest club in scotland means nothing for paying punters.

Sorry Ron

[nickwhibs]

Let's be honest here.

Much as some of us hear rumours about players signing, listening to positive words from Ron Gordon about his plan and vision for Hibs, none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes at the club.

All I have seen in the last few months is an excellent chief executive in Dempster leaving, a good manager being sacked (know that decision split our support), our best player leaving and then a series of players signed, of which none of them seem to have been signed to slot into a weak position in the first eleven. All the players signed in the last year are not proven at this level which represents a huge risk. Recruitment is the biggest mystery to me. Due to the recent change in manager and all these new players coming in the door, who the hell is deciding which players are coming in. So far, it just seems a complete mess to me.

So far Maloney does not seem the sort of character who will inspire and develop the players we have.

The perception I have is that that the club is rudderless and being run by people not really qualified to get us into the top 3 in the league and regularly into Europe.

I guess we will know between now and the end of the season when w we can judge Maloney and these new players, but the signs do not appear good to me.

Not long ago I used to look forward to watching Hibs. Not now.

What a mess.

It’s hard to disagree with most of that. As much as I want to be positive it is pretty hard currently. They need to do something to get a buzz back at Easter Road as it’s not working so far - huge amount of apathy amongst the fans just now. We need to get the simple things right first - getting a committed team on the park, all knowing what they’re doing and trying to play attacking football. Yes we need to plan for the future but the main thing is the here and now and having a decent team on the park - connecting with the fans (and not in a commercial way). I also feel ticket pricing needs looked at.

[Not In The Know]

Leanne Dempster spoke with passion and on a fans level.

I don’t get any of that now. Fancy screens and greenest club in scotland means nothing for paying punters.

Sorry Ron

she was accountable for the shambolic lack of a main sponsor on the jersey for nearly two years.

[The 90+2]

she was accountable for the shambolic lack of a main sponsor on the jersey for nearly two years.


It didn't seem to effect us that much on the pitch though.

[Nicho87]

she was accountable for the shambolic lack of a main sponsor on the jersey for nearly two years.

Not denying any of her errors

Only calling it how I see Leanne, I think she got hibs clearly and was very attached to the club once upon a time.

I liked her

[Yorkshire HFC]

It's far too early to have an opinion on Maloney - he's never managed a team before - give him a chance.

But I think you can question the owners - sacking a manager a week before a cup final on the back of our best season for years and selling our best player without having a replacement lined up is not great management in my book.

As ever, the fans just have to roll with it - most people seemed to welcome the new owners - you've got to give Maloney time as well. He must have had something if he was part of the Belgium set up.

[The 90+2]

It's far too early to have an opinion on Maloney - he's never managed a team before - give him a chance.

But I think you can question the owners - sacking a manager a week before a cup final on the back of our best season for years and selling our best player without having a replacement lined up is not great management in my book.

As ever, the fans just have to roll with it - most people seemed to welcome the new owners - you've got to give Maloney time as well. He must have had something if he was part of the Belgium set up.


Any particular reason we should be the guinea pig?

[heretoday]

It's early days for heavens sake. Next season I'll start slagging off the coach if we're toiling.

[Yorkshire HFC]

Any particular reason we should be the guinea pig?

Because the owners gave him a 2? / 3? year contract.

And he's only been here for a few games.

[Willis1875]

It's far too early to have an opinion on Maloney - he's never managed a team before - give him a chance.

But I think you can question the owners - sacking a manager a week before a cup final on the back of our best season for years and selling our best player without having a replacement lined up is not great management in my book.

As ever, the fans just have to roll with it - most people seemed to welcome the new owners - you've got to give Maloney time as well. He must have had something if he was part of the Belgium set up.

Keep hearing this regarding being part of the Belgium setup,Thierry Henry was part of that very same setup and tried his hand at management and was hopeless and now finds himself back coaching

[Lancs Harp]

Message boards, Beat Hearts midweek and its a different story. Having said that am I expecting victory midweek? Not really i think we'll get mullered in midfield we got bullied today by Livinsgston and you know whats coming from Hearts.

For what its worth my own opinion is that this season is very much a transitional period. It will be very much hit and miss from here till May.

[bigwheel]

It's far too early to have an opinion on Maloney - he's never managed a team before - give him a chance.

But I think you can question the owners - sacking a manager a week before a cup final on the back of our best season for years and selling our best player without having a replacement lined up is not great management in my book.

As ever, the fans just have to roll with it - most people seemed to welcome the new owners - you've got to give Maloney time as well. He must have had something if he was part of the Belgium set up.

Think that’s fair …

Yet it’s also fair to say that he doesn’t look that good at the moment . Early days, I accept that . And can quickly change .

The strange recruitment signings we’ve made don’t really help that much either .

Hopefully he’s a quick learner and by the end of the season we are seeing really steps of progress .The owners have chosen to go with a rookie. Presumably they accept that this will be a bumpy ride as a result of his inexperience. It’s a wonder they aren’t a bit more out front explaining that, and asking for patience on this journey . They seem to be standing a few steps behind him currently ..rather than out front protecting him .

[The 90+2]

Because the owners gave him a 2? / 3? year contract.

And he's only been here for a few games.


He's not an improvement to what we had. Few games or not.

Because whoever gave him a long contract doesn't mean blindly back him regardless. Same guys wanted shot of Leanne, Mathie and Ross. Has any of the guys that have come in been an upgrade if we are being honest? We even have the Venkys chicken boy Kean kicking about the place for whatever reason.

[bigwheel]

Let's be honest here.

Much as some of us hear rumours about players signing, listening to positive words from Ron Gordon about his plan and vision for Hibs, none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes at the club.

All I have seen in the last few months is an excellent chief executive in Dempster leaving, a good manager being sacked (know that decision split our support), our best player leaving and then a series of players signed, of which none of them seem to have been signed to slot into a weak position in the first eleven. All the players signed in the last year are not proven at this level which represents a huge risk. Recruitment is the biggest mystery to me. Due to the recent change in manager and all these new players coming in the door, who the hell is deciding which players are coming in. So far, it just seems a complete mess to me.

So far Maloney does not seem the sort of character who will inspire and develop the players we have.

The perception I have is that that the club is rudderless and being run by people not really qualified to get us into the top 3 in the league and regularly into Europe.

I guess we will know between now and the end of the season when w we can judge Maloney and these new players, but the signs do not appear good to me.

Not long ago I used to look forward to watching Hibs. Not now.

What a mess.

Decent post this - even though it’s a hard read …

[LunasBoots]

Keep hearing this regarding being part of the Belgium setup,Thierry Henry was part of that very same setup and tried his hand at management and was hopeless and now finds himself back coaching

Caldwell was manager at Partick and was also hopeless, time will tell if Maloney is a number 2 or can turn this around

[Yorkshire HFC]

He's not an improvement to what we had. Few games or not.

Because whoever gave him a long contract doesn't mean blindly back him regardless. Same guys wanted shot of Leanne, Mathie and Ross. Has any of the guys that have come in been an upgrade if we are being honest? We even have the Venkys chicken boy Kean kicking about the place for whatever reason.

I couldn't believe it when Ross was sacked - but that's in the past. You've got to give Maloney a chance - surely no one wants him sacked already.

[Sir David Gray]

Message boards, Beat Hearts midweek and its a different story. Having said that am I expecting victory midweek? Not really i think we'll get mullered in midfield we got bullied today by Livinsgston and you know whats coming from Hearts.

For what its worth my own opinion is that this season is very much a transitional period. It will be very much hit and miss from here till May.

I don't disagree but it seems like we are in perpetual transition and near enough every season we're saying that we need to focus on next year.

It would be nice if we could actually get out of this loop.

[hibbysam]

Our defense was a shambles first half in Glasgow and against Cove. Even more so today.

I'm not talking about having the character to shout. I'm talking about players not having the character to play football with confidence. There's no swagger or enjoyment it seems. Just a bunch of rudderless average players going through the motions.

Cadden has been out POTY. He's only Maloney success story from his inheritance so far.

Has Maloney improved the players or the team? Nah.

He needs his own team? Why did Ross get sacked without getting a chance to turn things around with signings in that case? Surely the whole point in punting him was to improve the side we have right now.

Within 2 games we were better than we were before Ross was sacked. We’re on the verge of going back down the Lennon route regarding their respective records when they were sacked suddenly improving ten fold the longer time goes on.

That today was basic defensive issues that we have had for years. I’ve no doubt we will improve in that regard.

Poor performance and result but it’s still very early days.

[Willis1875]

I don't disagree but it seems like we are in perpetual transition and near enough every season we're saying that we need to focus on next year.

It would be nice if we could actually get out of this loop.

Agreed…most teams would have built on a successful season like we had Lat season instead we find ourselfs going backwards again

[Lago]

I too am concerned about where we are heading under the current owner, particularly with our approach to player recruitment.

Rudderless is about right, and it just all seems a bit shambolic at present.
And yet summer transfers were hopeless were they not? Or is that perception now changing?

[dp00]

Let's be honest here.

Much as some of us hear rumours about players signing, listening to positive words from Ron Gordon about his plan and vision for Hibs, none of us really know what's going on behind the scenes at the club.

All I have seen in the last few months is an excellent chief executive in Dempster leaving, a good manager being sacked (know that decision split our support), our best player leaving and then a series of players signed, of which none of them seem to have been signed to slot into a weak position in the first eleven. All the players signed in the last year are not proven at this level which represents a huge risk. Recruitment is the biggest mystery to me. Due to the recent change in manager and all these new players coming in the door, who the hell is deciding which players are coming in. So far, it just seems a complete mess to me.

So far Maloney does not seem the sort of character who will inspire and develop the players we have.

The perception I have is that that the club is rudderless and being run by people not really qualified to get us into the top 3 in the league and regularly into Europe.

I guess we will know between now and the end of the season when w we can judge Maloney and these new players, but the signs do not appear good to me.

Not long ago I used to look forward to watching Hibs. Not now.

What a mess.

It’s a difficult read for sure however I tend to agree. that there seems to be things going on in the background which seem to be taking the club backwards rather than forward

The appointment of Ron’s son is strange. I can’t see anywhere it was announced or what his CV looks like for the role… if it’s just a case of him keeping an eye on things why bother with Ben kensell

Kensell himself has done a few interviews which one of them he essentially slated the previous incumbent for the way they left the stadium other than that I’ve not been convinced by him either

There seems to have been quite a lot of behind the scenes people leaving which to me indicates that something has changed and I’m not sure it’s for the better

The Ross sacking was handled shockingly, a guy we gave a big contract to a short period before sacked a game before a cup final after a poor run of games despite club being aware of the recruitment issues

We were all suckered into purchasing season tickets this season and told there would be X Y Z as a extra benefit and I’ve personally seen nothing extra over and above the other years

We have fancy big screens but do we actually do anything with them ? By all accounts the graphics are quite amateurish and nothing to shout home about given the fuss that was made when we got them

We have employed maloney who I’m sure will go onto be a great coach but it seems like we went for the coach who wouldn’t challenge those above him.

At the moment is just feels very them and us , we need to get some kinda togetherness back


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[Alfred E Newman]

I don't disagree but it seems like we are in perpetual transition and near enough every season we're saying that we need to focus on next year.

It would be nice if we could actually get out of this loop.

That’s the big disappointment for me. I’m not getting any younger and was hoping that, even with the frustration of the cup defeats last season, at long last we were heading for a period of stability, successful league campaigns and European qualification.
After watching that shambles today it is looking like we are going backwards once again.
Depressing to say the least

[hibbysam]

I don't disagree but it seems like we are in perpetual transition and near enough every season we're saying that we need to focus on next year.

It would be nice if we could actually get out of this loop.

Whilst I agree that I hope we get out of this cycle, the difference I see this time is normally when we’re struggling we appoint a ‘safe’ manager and short term fixes with players. Get to the summer, massive overhaul of experienced players and repeat year on year.

This time we have went for a young manager and a lot of young players building for the future. This says to me were hoping for stability for a fair few years. And if the recruitment has been done well then we shouldn’t need big changes window to window.

Unfortunately we won’t know immediately and if it has been wrong then we’ll go through the cycle again.

[RedHibby]

I've no idea how anyone can say Maloney won't inspire or improve the players here

How can you even form that opinion?



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He hasn't so far what do you think is going to change by the end of the season?

[Jones28]

I’m writing this season off, maybe a good run in the Scottish cup but I’ve said it before: our summer recruitment let us down, the guys responsible paid the price. Mathie might have been good enough for LD but the failure to secure a decent price for Doig and gibbering about breaking transfer records was a foolish move. I know he was trying to be bullish and not undersell our key assets but IMO £3m for a 19 year old with one season under his belt is decent business.

People going on about the screens, meh. They look great imo, and if they pay for themselves within the three years or whatever it was then what’s the harm? Once they’re paid off it’s an income stream.

I like RG, transition is always difficult and we’re in waters that we haven’t been in since the early nineties with a new owner, new ideas and new opinions. He’s quite right to push the commercial activities of the club. The season ticket sales are the lifeblood of the club but to push ourselves on we need extra revenue. Sure as **** it isn’t going to come from TV deals so it has to come from somewhere.

I didn’t want Jack Ross sacked, I think it was grossly unfair to give him as **** a summer window, have him get to a cup final and then sack him because of a bad league run. He had players secured for January and injuries to contend with. I still think my preference would have been to keep him in post and give him to the end of the season then re asses. This is Gordon and Kensells first big test.

I would just also like to say that comparing Maloney with Cathro is one of the most bizarre, ridiculous things I’ve read on Hibs.net and is attention seeking *****. One is a multiple cup winning, English and Scottish top flight, European and Internationalist former player who was coaching with the worlds best international side:

The other is Ian Cathro.

[Callum_62]

He hasn't so far what do you think is going to change by the end of the season?So zero improvement in our defence up until yesterday?

On the inspire part - Honest to christ man - we haven't been great last few games but here we are again with the 'too wee, doenst shout enough' rhetoric to describe 'a leader' or a 'motivator'

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[Saint Hibee]

We’re currently in transition between transition periods.