Should this guy be charged with murder?

[He's here!]

Driver arrested on suspicion of murder after knife attacker killed in west London crash | ITV News London (https://www.itv.com/news/london/2022-01-24/woman-stabbed-to-death-and-man-killed-after-being-hit-by-car-in-west-london)

Thousands have signed a petition calling for him not to be charged:

Thousands sign petition supporting driver who hit knife attacker | Evening Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/maida-vale-metropolitan-police-london-renault-change-org-b978854.html)

[Colr]

Driver arrested on suspicion of murder after knife attacker killed in west London crash | ITV News London (https://www.itv.com/news/london/2022-01-24/woman-stabbed-to-death-and-man-killed-after-being-hit-by-car-in-west-london)

Thousands have signed a petition calling for him not to be charged:

Thousands sign petition supporting driver who hit knife attacker | Evening Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/maida-vale-metropolitan-police-london-renault-change-org-b978854.html)

The Met police only arrest the innocent these days.

[Ozyhibby]

Driver arrested on suspicion of murder after knife attacker killed in west London crash | ITV News London (https://www.itv.com/news/london/2022-01-24/woman-stabbed-to-death-and-man-killed-after-being-hit-by-car-in-west-london)

Thousands have signed a petition calling for him not to be charged:

Thousands sign petition supporting driver who hit knife attacker | Evening Standard (https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/maida-vale-metropolitan-police-london-renault-change-org-b978854.html)

Probably right to charge while an investigation is carried out but I would think the charges will be dropped in time. No chance a jury will convict.


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[Berwickhibby]

Probably right to charge while an investigation is carried out but I would think the charges will be dropped in time. No chance a jury will convict.


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Where does it say charged…arrested …a chance for the police to interview the suspect under caution to get his account, also gather witness statements plus any forensic and coroner’s post-mortem report. This will be passed to the Crown prosecution service who will decide to charge or not. He will be either on bail or remand until his first hearing next week at Magistrates Court.

[Berwickhibby]

The Met police only arrest the innocent these days.

You spraff some utter pish

[Northernhibee]

Yes.
It should go to court and the mitigating circumstances should be put forward and I think the guy would be cleared.

Then justice will have been done, the man’s innocence will have been established in a court of law and all parties can move on with nothing handing over their heads.

Although this is a very much more serious case, I wonder how many people who signed that petition complained about the statute toppers being found innocent. This case goes to show perfectly why the mitigating circumstances being taken into consideration is a vital part of our justice system.

[Stairway 2 7]

Yes.
It should go to court and the mitigating circumstances should be put forward and I think the guy would be cleared.

Then justice will have been done, the man’s innocence will have been established in a court of law and all parties can move on with nothing handing over their heads.

Although this is a very much more serious case, I wonder how many people who signed that petition complained about the statute toppers being found innocent. This case goes to show perfectly why the mitigating circumstances being taken into consideration is a vital part of our justice system.

To be fair not even close to statue toppling. Plus it might not be similar people seeing as it was a person of colour knocking down a white nut job

[Berwickhibby]

Yes.
It should go to court and the mitigating circumstances should be put forward and I think the guy would be cleared.

Then justice will have been done, the man’s innocence will have been established in a court of law and all parties can move on with nothing handing over their heads.

Although this is a very much more serious case, I wonder how many people who signed that petition complained about the statute toppers being found innocent. This case goes to show perfectly why the mitigating circumstances being taken into consideration is a vital part of our justice system.

However, there is a legal statute that you can assault someone to prevent a crime that is being committed, the question being examined by CPS will be, was his actions in this circumstance excessive.

[Northernhibee]

To be fair not even close to statue toppling. Plus it might not be similar people seeing as it was a person of colour knocking down a white nut job

Same principle. Committing one thing that is on paper a crime to correct a much greater wrong.

[Stairway 2 7]

Same principle. Committing one thing that is on paper a crime to correct a much greater wrong.

Knocking down a statue of someone that died hundreds of years ago is not related to stopping a live murder happening

[Northernhibee]

Knocking down a statue of someone that died hundreds of years ago is not related to stopping a live murder happening

In the simplest form it shows that if a justice system is functioning properly, then anything like this should be put through a jury trial in order to unequivocally prove a persons innocence.

I think this person should be found innocent, of that I have no doubt. I also think that not putting it to court leaves it hanging over their head.

[speedy_gonzales]

However, there is a legal statute that you can assault someone to prevent a crime that is being committed, the question being examined by CPS will be, was his actions in this circumstance excessive.

No legal expert at all, but is that correct. I'm aware of things like "reasonable force", but there's no way we can use a car to kill someone like what has happened here. The driver clearly had an idea what was going on, but it wouldn't be the first time a bystander has intervened and inadvertently attacked the victim rather than the aggressor.

[He's here!]

Yes.
It should go to court and the mitigating circumstances should be put forward and I think the guy would be cleared.

Then justice will have been done, the man’s innocence will have been established in a court of law and all parties can move on with nothing handing over their heads.

Although this is a very much more serious case, I wonder how many people who signed that petition complained about the statute toppers being found innocent. This case goes to show perfectly why the mitigating circumstances being taken into consideration is a vital part of our justice system.

There were no mitigating circumstances in the statue case from a legal standpoint. Whatever the wrongs of the past, the statue was not on trial (as the jury were - cleverly - persuaded to imagine), those clearly guilty of criminal damage were. In any case, it bears no comparison to this scenario.

[Berwickhibby]

No legal expert at all, but is that correct. I'm aware of things like "reasonable force", but there's no way we can use a car to kill someone like what has happened here. The driver clearly had an idea what was going on, but it wouldn't be the first time a bystander has intervened and inadvertently attacked the victim rather than the aggressor.

Not in disagreement and yes of course reasonable force will be part of the CPS decision making, but before a charge is laid to the court this will all be examined by lawyers.

[Keith_M]

Unless I've misread this story, he did actually run over the victim as well, which doesn't sound too good.

[Pretty Boy]

I wouldn't like to be on a jury if this ever makes it to trial.

Essentially you are being asked to decide if using your car as a lethal weapon is legal if it potentially prevents someone else using a lethal weapon. Total legal minefield.

[Bristolhibby]

Unless I've misread this story, he did actually run over the victim as well, which doesn't sound too good.

That’s how I read it.

J

[Moulin Yarns]

Unless I've misread this story, he did actually run over the victim as well, which doesn't sound too good.

Both the reports in the original post suggest she was stabbed to death. It does say, from one eyewitness, that the car hit both of them, but it also says the guy was freed from under the car, and both were pronounced dead at the scene.

[Paul1642]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60218733

Released without charge.

[Keith_M]

Both the reports in the original post suggest she was stabbed to death. It does say, from one eyewitness, that the car hit both of them, but it also says the guy was freed from under the car, and both were pronounced dead at the scene.


Thanks.

:aok:



The article I read wasn't really clear.

[Ozyhibby]

I wouldn't like to be on a jury if this ever makes it to trial.

Essentially you are being asked to decide if using your car as a lethal weapon is legal if it potentially prevents someone else using a lethal weapon. Total legal minefield.

I think when it comes to a decision on whether to charge, they will make a decision not just on the specifics of the law but also the likely hood a jury will convict. In my opinion a jury will not convict here and if they take it that far and that happens then a new law is created. I doubt they will do that.


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[wookie70]

It reads more like the attack ended up entering the road and he knocked them both over. If that is the case then no charge seems right. If he made a decision on the rights and wrongs in a split second and aimed for one or both then he should be charged and a Jury should decide. The papers love a hero and just like the taxi driver in the Liverpool Hospital bombing the narrative is usually created well before the facts are known