The Worst UK Football Clubs To Manage

[007]

Survey is from November and is based on the average time the managers remain in the job.

We are the 2nd worst in the UK (after Livi) at an average of 1 year 8 months.

https://www.olbg.com/blogs/football-manager-merry-go-round

[Pete]

That's a strange one, especially considering its the average over the entire life of the club.
In a modern context, we're surely nowhere near the worst. At somewhere like Watford, all you have to do is fart in the wrong area and you're sacked

[Is It On....]

That cannot be right. Watford have had 14 permanent managers in 10 years?

[Golden Bear]

Moaniest fans rule ok. ?!

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[loanheadhibby]

Any chance of a survey on the club that has spent most time in transition in the last 100 years.

[KanyeWestLower]

That cannot be right. Watford have had 14 permanent managers in 10 years?

Feels like 14 permanent managers in the last 10 weeks with them.


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[FitbaFolkKen]

Watford have had 6 managers since their last clean sheet


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[ozwoody]

Quick back of fag packet maths.
145 years (1875 to 2022) is 1740 months (rounded ) divide that by 33 full time managers is 52.7 months. So that makes it average is about 4 years 4 months.
I am not taking in account our break , that would increase the average time in job

[Sir David Gray]

Quick back of fag packet maths.
145 years (1875 to 2022) is 1740 months (rounded ) divide that by 33 full time managers is 52.7 months. So that makes it average is about 4 years 4 months.
I am not taking in account our break , that would increase the average time in job

I think there needs to be consideration of the fact that football management has changed drastically in the 21st century and we last had a manager in charge for over 4 years with Alex Miller and he left more than 25 years ago.

Since 1996 the average time in charge for a Hibs manager is about 1 year 8 months. I'm not sure how far back the survey goes though.

[jgl07]

The sloppy article doesn’t clearly spell out the time frame nor does it distinguish between sackings and resignations. Hibs didn’t sack Alex McLeish or Tony Mowbray nor did they sack Alan Stubbs. They didn’t even sack Bobby Williamson and John Collins. The departure of Neil Lennon was shrouded in some mystery but he was back at Celtic very quickly which suggests the whole thing was orchestrated.

So you appoint a young manager who is poached by the likes of Rangers or Celtic and that is added to to list of ‘sackings’?

[Dr What If?]

Poor article, wouldn't score well as a high school report....check out Dundee in 10th place....attention to detail?

The article suggests (by looking at historic data going back to 1900) that this is over the life of a club, that suggests Hibs have had 88 managers (which we know isn't right). It would also discriminate against newer clubs whose record would not include historic periods where managers did not change that often...there is also a failure to define what is meant by 'manager'.
As others have said there are also obvious other issues like the difference between sacking and resignations.....it could be argued that Hibs are a great club to manage as even moderate success can end in a step up on the job ladder.

[Keith_M]

Football clubs didn't really have managers for the first few decades, so I'm not sure how they can calculate this.

Maybe if they only counted it since the end of WWII it would be more accurate.

[The Spaceman]

I do think though it is endemic in our support to hound managers out the moment results hit a rough patch. Jack Ross a perfect example - punted on the eve of a League Cup final to appease the fans. Some sections of our support are already on Maloneys back, which is a complete and utter joke by the way. Hibs fans don’t do patient, but I do hope we do with Maloney.

[Keith_M]

I do think though it is endemic in our support to hound managers out the moment results hit a rough patch. Jack Ross a perfect example - punted on the eve of a League Cup final to appease the fans. Some sections of our support are already on Maloneys back, which is a complete and utter joke by the way. Hibs fans don’t do patient, but I do hope we do with Maloney.


I've made negative comments about some of what I've seen so far under SM but it's always with the caveat that he's only in the door and that we're missing quite a few players.

But it's true, some people seem to have written him off already, which is over the top.

[Juniper Greens]

They have made a mistake. Simple as that. Cannot be right

[G15 Hibs]

The sloppy article doesn’t clearly spell out the time frame nor does it distinguish between sackings and resignations. Hibs didn’t sack Alex McLeish or Tony Mowbray nor did they sack Alan Stubbs. They didn’t even sack Bobby Williamson and John Collins. The departure of Neil Lennon was shrouded in some mystery but he was back at Celtic very quickly which suggests the whole thing was orchestrated.

So you appoint a young manager who is poached by the likes of Rangers or Celtic and that is added to to list of ‘sackings’?

Looking at it that way, you could say that Hibs is a great club to manage as if you do well you'll get opportunities elsewhere.

[Jones28]

How many managers have we over the course of our history? I'm talking everyone; caretakers, the lot. I'd love to see where they got their statistics.

The rest of the article would lead you to assume they haven't been selective about statistics, but you never know.


Edit: Ozy has got it with 33.

[nonshinyfinish]

How many managers have we over the course of our history? I'm talking everyone; caretakers, the lot. I'd love to see where they got their statistics.

The rest of the article would lead you to assume they haven't been selective about statistics, but you never know.


Edit: Ozy has got it with 33.

Useful list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hibernian_F.C._managers

[Sir David Gray]

How many managers have we over the course of our history? I'm talking everyone; caretakers, the lot. I'd love to see where they got their statistics.

The rest of the article would lead you to assume they haven't been selective about statistics, but you never know.


Edit: Ozy has got it with 33.

34 is the number of permanent managers we've had I think. I believe we've also had 14 caretakers.

[Jones28]

Useful list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hibernian_F.C._managers


34 is the number of permanent managers we've had I think. I believe we've also had 14 caretakers.


So we've had 48 managers - of any kind - since 1875. 147 years.

Just a shade over 3 years on average.

What a crock of *****.

[nonshinyfinish]

So we've had 48 managers - of any kind - since 1875. 147 years.

Just a shade over 3 years on average.

What a crock of *****.

Yeah, I think 'worst' figure you can come up with is if you count from 1901 (which is when that wiki page says we started officially having managers rather than a committee) and include all the caretakers (which is nonsense in itself), and even then you get 2.5 years.

God knows what info they used to get to 1 year 8 months.

[Sir David Gray]

Yeah, I think 'worst' figure you can come up with is if you count from 1901 (which is when that wiki page says we started officially having managers rather than a committee) and include all the caretakers (which is nonsense in itself), and even then you get 2.5 years.

God knows what info they used to get to 1 year 8 months.

1 year 8 months is the average since Alex Miller left in 1996.

[nonshinyfinish]

1 year 8 months is the average since Alex Miller left in 1996.

Ah I see. I wonder if that's the same timeframe as for the other clubs listed.

Given that one of the other charts says the average tenure was 2 years in the 1990s, 1.5 years in the 2000s and 1 year 5 months in the 2010s, it seems like 1 year 8 months would be about bang on the average over 1996–present.

[Jones28]

1 year 8 months is the average since Alex Miller left in 1996.

If the article stated that then it would be fair enough; what it also doesn't mention is that there is a general trend to short term managers, by their own analysis.

[Sir David Gray]

Ah I see. I wonder if that's the same timeframe as for the other clubs listed.

Given that one of the other charts says the average tenure was 2 years in the 1990s, 1.5 years in the 2000s and 1 year 5 months in the 2010s, it seems like 1 year 8 months would be about bang on the average over 1996–present.

Since Miller left Hibs in September 1996, the other current Premiership clubs have had;

Aberdeen - 9 permanent managers (2 years 10 months)
Celtic - 12 permanent managers (2 years 1 month)
Dundee - 15 permanent managers (1 year 8 months)
Dundee Utd - 16 permanent managers (1 year 7 months)
Hearts - 19 permanent managers (1 year 4 months)
Livingston - 22 permanent managers (1 year 2 months)
Motherwell - 14 permanent managers (1 year 10 month)
Rangers - 10 permanent managers (2 years 6 months)
Ross County - 15 permanent managers (1 year 8 months)
St Mirren - 13 permanent managers (1 year 11 months)
St Johnstone - 9 permanent managers (2 years 10 months)