Newell on fans jeers vs Cove

[HendoDelivered]

https://t.co/M1GmeOYO8k

Well said Joe.

[Unseen work]

Brilliant.

Good on him coming out and saying it, not many would but he’s 100% spot on.

[Carheenlea]

I’m really looking forward to seeing the end result of this transitional period - since I started going in the late 70’s it’s felt like we’ve been told to be patient while we are in a transitional period for whats felt like a lot of that time!

[NAE NOOKIE]

He has a point. Look at the team versus Cove, two guys playing their first ever game for the club and a midfield player on the right of a back three, all of them adapting to a new style of play. That against opposition on a 15 game unbeaten run who were clearly a better team than the league they are in, that was evident after about 15 minutes.

OK every fan, including me, can get disgruntled during the game at poor play or the ball not being played forward fast enough and have a moan ... but booing the team off at half time and full time is just totally unhelpful .... I just don't see the point of it.

[heretoday]

Cove are a tough act as I'm sure many will find out in the seasons to come. You don't encourage your team by booing.
Credit to Hibs for persevering.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

There is of course an section of the ground where folks can go, vent their spleen and if they wish hurl abuse at Hibs players.it’s called the Away End. Perhaps some folks need to reflect.

[erin go bragh]

He better not come on here after a defeat 😂
But seriously he is spot on , jeering your own team is brutal

[cameronw-hfc]

Always got annoyed at the boos for "passing it backwards", especially so now. A good example would be Aberdeen. Started off slow, but after a period of adjustment, they started winning games again, playing considerably more attractive football than last season. I think we will get there under Maloney, I'd rather we lost trying to play football properly than lose by hoofing it and hoping for the best.

[Broken Gnome]

He said that about as well as he could have done. Don't see how anyone can argue with that, regardless of how well you think the team or individuals played.

[MWHIBBIES]

It's all very well and I agree with Joe, but our team should be more than good enough to be winning consistently without needing to spend a while adapting to a playstyle that may not even work.

If we lose the next 3, but the manager says we're improving and showing signs, will folk be happy? I definitely won't.

[JimBHibees]

Joe makes a very good point absolutely brutal to be moaning when trying to pass the ball especially when we go back to go forward. Quite a fundamental change and fans need to show a bit of patience however usually in short supply at ER.

[FilipinoHibs]

If passed the ball forward now and again the boos might stop.

[Danderhall Hibs]

If passed the ball forward now and again the boos might stop.

This is getting out of hand now - if folk say it often enough they start believing it. Did you miss the match on Thursday?

[GreenCastle]

If passed the ball forward now and again the boos might stop.

What happens when a player can’t pass the ball forward ? Or what would you do as a coach ?

[FilipinoHibs]

This is getting out of hand now - if folk say it often enough they start believing it. Did you miss the match on Thursday?

No I had the miss fortune of watching the full 120 minutes. Against DU and Aberdeen we were quickly moving the ball forward in nice triangles. Against Celtic and Cove back to the sideways stuff. Only difference from Ross is we are trying to play the ball out from the back. Try is the word as we were often putting ourselves in trouble. Who did not play against DU and Aberdeen but played against Celtic and Cove? There is part of the problem.

[bigwheel]

If passed the ball forward now and again the boos might stop.

generic tropes like this really pull this site down …no openness to actually reflect on the important point of what a player is saying.

[Since90+2]

This nonsense about Newell not passing the ball forward was started by someone who doesn't have a clue about football and continued on by those with a similar knowledge of the game.

[BILLYHIBS]

Well try passing the ball forward then ! :greengrin

[Since452]

Never understand booing our own team. Does absolutely no good at all.

[flash]

generic tropes like this really pull this site down …no openness to actually reflect on the important point of what a player is saying.

It does indeed.

He clearly explains why things are a bit of a struggle just now as the players adapt to a new manager.

Why some people choose to respond to this with a smarterse remark is beyond me.

[Danderhall Hibs]

No I had the miss fortune of watching the full 120 minutes. Against DU and Aberdeen we were quickly moving the ball forward in nice triangles. Against Celtic and Cove back to the sideways stuff. Only difference from Ross is we are trying to play the ball out from the back. Try is the word as we were often putting ourselves in trouble. Who did not play against DU and Aberdeen but played against Celtic and Cove? There is part of the problem.

Drivel. Loads of forward passes - it was really noticeable. Repeating stuff like this helps no one - particularly with it not being true.

[Callum_62]

If passed the ball forward now and again the boos might stop.You must've watched the game with your eyes closed

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[Danderhall Hibs]

What happens when a player can’t pass the ball forward ? Or what would you do as a coach ?

You punt it into the channel I think?

[Hibbyradge]

Drivel.

It is rubbish.

Newell was as forward looking as any other player against Cove. He was always trying to put Hibs on the front foot.

I suppose if you're waiting to moan about, or expect, a backwards pass, that's what you'll see, but that's not a charge that can be laid at Newell's door on Thursday.

[BlackSheep]

What some folk failed to remember is that while we in the stands with our heightened point of view can see more of the pitch than the players that are on it…. Sometimes the only obvious pass is backwards or sideways, or sometimes it’s the only safe option that they can see… it’s easy sitting a few rows up to see other players but from ground level it’s a lot more difficult.

[Sir David Gray]

Rightly or wrongly when Hibs need extra time to beat a part time side from two divisions below us at home then fans will get a bit annoyed. Also not helped by it being a cold January night and I'm afraid the players need to accept that.

Is it helpful? No. However fans from all over the world use booing as the way to show their displeasure at what they are watching and I don't see that changing. Newell himself accepts in that article that a team of our quality should have been putting in a better performance and getting a better result.

[Hibbyradge]

Rightly or wrongly when Hibs need extra time to beat a part time side from two divisions below us at home then fans will get a bit annoyed. Also not helped by it being a cold January night and I'm afraid the players need to accept that.

Is it helpful? No. However fans from all over the world use booing as the way to show their displeasure at what they are watching and I don't see that changing. Newell himself accepts in that article that a team of our quality should have been putting in a better performance and getting a better result.

That's fair, but blaming Newell for being negative on Thursday is not.

[WhileTheChief..]

He may have a point but at least these fans were there.

It was Cove, and we were pretty gash for most of the game, as we have been for most of the season.

It was a tiny bit of booing ffs.

[hibsbollah]

Rightly or wrongly when Hibs need extra time to beat a part time side from two divisions below us at home then fans will get a bit annoyed. Also not helped by it being a cold January night and I'm afraid the players need to accept that.

Is it helpful? No. However fans from all over the world use booing as the way to show their displeasure at what they are watching and I don't see that changing. Newell himself accepts in that article that a team of our quality should have been putting in a better performance and getting a better result.

It’s happening far too often though. I think I’ve actually booed Hibs at half time twice in the 40 odd years I’ve been going to see them, i just couldn’t control my frustration. But it seems to be the done thing now simply if we’re not winning at Halftime or if the play isn’t particularly exciting.

[Jones28]

He may have a point but at least these fans were there.

It was Cove, and we were pretty gash for most of the game, as we have been for most of the season.

It was a tiny bit of booing ffs.

A roundabout way of saying "A've paid ma money Ah can do what Ah want." which is up there with the worst tropes of football "supporters".

[StarMan10]

My issue with what I saw at the Cove game, was there seemed to be a complete lack of attacking ambition and creativity when our midfield were on the ball.

Cove were obviously sitting deep aiming to soak up the pressure, but there wasn’t a great deal of it coming their way. Newell and Campbell sat in a line, and seemed afraid to take any risks passing and moving forward. There was plenty times when Mueller and Henderson got themselves in a little space between the midfield and defence, but instead the ball was held onto and then cycled back to a centre back or full back. I can’t remember the last time I seen bursting run forward from midfield or a fast triangle/3rd man run from a Hibs team.

I hope Maloney is able to instil the confidence in these players (or find new players who can) to take a risk at times and to pass and move. I do prefer Hibs teams that keep the ball as opposed to the Jack Ross tactic of constant punts into the channels but if we are dominating the ball, we should be creating plenty of chances aswell, which just hasn’t been the case. All my opinion/perspective ofc.

[Jones28]

My issue with what I saw at the Cove game, was there seemed to be a complete lack of attacking ambition and creativity when our midfield were on the ball.

Cove were obviously sitting deep aiming to soak up the pressure, but there wasn’t a great deal of it coming their way. Newell and Campbell sat in a line, and seemed afraid to take any risks passing and moving forward. There was plenty times when Mueller and Henderson got themselves in a little space between the midfield and defence, but instead the ball was held onto and then cycled back to a centre back or full back. I can’t remember the last time I seen bursting run forward from midfield or a fast triangle/3rd man run from a Hibs team.

I hope Maloney is able to instil the confidence in these players (or find new players who can) to take a risk at times and to pass and move. I do prefer Hibs teams that keep the ball as opposed to the Jack Ross tactic of constant punts into the channels but if we are dominating the ball, we should be creating plenty of chances aswell, which just hasn’t been the case. All my opinion/perspective ofc.

There was a clear difference from half time onwards in that Cove were never in the game, it was all Hibs. Newall in particular took the game by the balls and got us up the park more often than not; thats what he does best IMO, taking the ball in tight areas and pressing forward.

What we really lacked IMO was Porteous pushing out from the back and squeezing them, like he did several times against Dundee United.

[Danderhall Hibs]

He may have a point but at least these fans were there.

It was Cove, and we were pretty gash for most of the game, as we have been for most of the season.

It was a tiny bit of booing ffs.

Some fans were there but they weren't supporting the team. I think if I was a player I'd prefer even less folk watching but them being supportive.

[Hillsidehibby]

My issue with what I saw at the Cove game, was there seemed to be a complete lack of attacking ambition and creativity when our midfield were on the ball.

Cove were obviously sitting deep aiming to soak up the pressure, but there wasn’t a great deal of it coming their way. Newell and Campbell sat in a line, and seemed afraid to take any risks passing and moving forward. There was plenty times when Mueller and Henderson got themselves in a little space between the midfield and defence, but instead the ball was held onto and then cycled back to a centre back or full back. I can’t remember the last time I seen bursting run forward from midfield or a fast triangle/3rd man run from a Hibs team.

I hope Maloney is able to instil the confidence in these players (or find new players who can) to take a risk at times and to pass and move. I do prefer Hibs teams that keep the ball as opposed to the Jack Ross tactic of constant punts into the channels but if we are dominating the ball, we should be creating plenty of chances aswell, which just hasn’t been the case. All my opinion/perspective ofc.

There hasn't been one since SJM left

[B.H.F.C]

I didn’t even think the booing was that bad. Certainly nothing that really merits being talked about in the press. All my life, if Hibs are drawing at home to a part time League 1 team over the course of 90 minutes, the players would be getting stick. It’s nothing new and whether we’re in transition or not won’t change that.

[Since90+2]

I think part of the issue is that Cove are a far better side than their name represents. Cove are a far better side than Falkirk for instance, but if we'd played Falkirk I think the reaction would have been less harsh.

[bingo70]

I said at half time at the Celtic game the midfield going back the way all the time was doing my head in so I feel like I’m partly responsible for creating this monster.

Absolutely nothing wrong with going back the way if you’re doing it at the right times. If there’s nothing on ahead of you, go back and move it quickly across the pitch until you find space ahead. I think we did that quite well against Cove at times. I don’t think we did it well against Celtic and there were plenty times when Newell could have been a bit braver in going forward instead of giving the easy ball back the way.

I thought our fans were complete ********s on Thursday too so I’m pleased Newell has mentioned it. People around me were completely unbearable, always people who seem to talk the most ***** talk it the loudest.

[loanheadhibby]

Some fans were there but they weren't supporting the team. I think if I was a player I'd prefer even less folk watching but them being supportive.

I’m sorry but that’s wrong about the fans. We made our way out on a freezing January night for a game live in council tv. The fans that went were hardcore and if they want to boo then boo.

Let’s have honest, it’s a bit of deflection from any player mentioning booing. And Joe, when you receive the ball, stop taking 5/6 touches. If you’re sharper with ball at your feet and start attacks quicker, out tempo would be higher.

[superfurryhibby]

Booing the team at half time/ full time, I have no problem with that if they have been gash.

It’s the folk who single out individual players and pleasure themselves by giving it abuse from the onset that annoys me.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I said at half time at the Celtic game the midfield going back the way all the time was doing my head in so I feel like I’m partly responsible for creating this monster.

Absolutely nothing wrong with going back the way if you’re doing it at the right times. If there’s nothing on ahead of you, go back and move it quickly across the pitch until you find space ahead. I think we did that quite well against Cove at times. I don’t think we did it well against Celtic and there were plenty times when Newell could have been a bit braver in going forward instead of giving the easy ball back the way.

I thought our fans were complete ********s on Thursday too so I’m pleased Newell has mentioned it. People around me were completely unbearable, always people who seem to talk the most ***** talk it the loudest.

That last sentence is so true.

[flash]

I’m sorry but that’s wrong about the fans. We made our way out on a freezing January night for a game live in council tv. The fans that went were hardcore and if they want to boo then boo.

Let’s have honest, it’s a bit of deflection from any player mentioning booing. And Joe, when you receive the ball, stop taking 5/6 touches. If you’re sharper with ball at your feet and start attacks quicker, out tempo would be higher.

Your lack of awareness of what he brings to the team negates the rest of your post in my eyes.

[blackpoolhibs]

That's fair, but blaming Newell for being negative on Thursday is not.

I'd say he was as negative as he normally is on thursday in the first half, but in the 2nd half he was very good at driving on, taking the ball and instead of his usual first though of looking backwards, he took the ball in on the half turn and looked the other way, sometimes i wonder if he realises we are trying to go forward and try and create chances.

The 2nd half and extra time showd me how well he can play, how well he can pick a forward pass, and just how comfortable he is doing it.

If i saw him play that way more often, i'd not have a problem with him in the team at all.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I’m sorry but that’s wrong about the fans. We made our way out on a freezing January night for a game live in council tv. The fans that went were hardcore and if they want to boo then boo.

Let’s have honest, it’s a bit of deflection from any player mentioning booing. And Joe, when you receive the ball, stop taking 5/6 touches. If you’re sharper with ball at your feet and start attacks quicker, out tempo would be higher.

I said “some fans”. Some folk think supporting the team is giving them verbal abuse. It’s a strange way to go about it.

[Unseen work]

We have alot more of the ball now and a much more patient approach because of this than under Ross.

Ross was very much knock it about then try hit Boyle or a striker to flick it on to him. It wouldn’t work all the time so then the opposition had easier possession against us and we always seemed to back off into two banks and be compact.

Under Maloney we make it much more difficult for the team to get the ball, the longer they’re running about pressing us the more tired they get as we try and move them about. Of course because we have more of the ball than previously there will be more backward passes.

But I’d rather we have the ball and recycle it well then the opposition having it and pinning us back.

Now under Maloney when the opposition win it we try get it back as quick as possible and have a high line to stop attacks.

The first two wins against Aberdeen and Dundee United were huge, I’m sure Aberdeen hadn’t lost in a while prior to that and both teams were above us. Celtic is a different kettle of fish but once we settled we looked ok albeit without creating much which Maloney said himself we need to improve on.

Cove was then the exact opposite standard wise than Celtic and although frustrating at times if the linesman was any good at his job we would have been 2-0 up within half an hour.

Everyone gets frustrated at times but let’s stick with it, I think we’ll be better for it.

I’ll also add Maloney has had a pretty hard task picking teams with the injuries and suspensions we’ve had.

[J-C]

Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.

[BILLYHIBS]

I'd say he was as negative as he normally is on thursday in the first half, but in the 2nd half he was very good at driving on, taking the ball and instead of his usual first though of looking backwards, he took the ball in on the half turn and looked the other way, sometimes i wonder if he realises we are trying to go forward and try and create chances.

The 2nd half and extra time showd me how well he can play, how well he can pick a forward pass, and just how comfortable he is doing it.

If i saw him play that way more often, i'd not have a problem with him in the team at all.
:agree:

Looking back I agree with this

[18Craig75]

Agree with a lot of what he’s saying. We as fans need to step up. A lot of the excuses for not going aren’t there anymore…

Jack Ross - Gone
Expensive tickets - Cove was £10
Uninspiring football - We’re clearly on a journey to implement an attractive style
Covid - fair enough there’s a lot of people that will be rightly anxious about this. But for the majority life is near enough back to normal.

Let’s get back in the habit of backing the boys and creating a better atmosphere! It’s a chicken and egg scenario, create a better atmosphere, they will play better with more intent.

There’s definitely more negativity about at the moment. I had to turn off a podcast last night because Macey was getting absolutely slated. I genuinely don’t see what he’s done wrong. As Colin on Longbangers always says, if he goalies were good with their feet they wouldn’t be goalies.

We all criticise and have a moan from time to time but ffs let’s do it with A bit class and decorum.

[Golden Bear]

I also agree with his comments. In the same vein, I have never seen the point of some of the threads on here that start with an individual player's name who may have a poor game in one of the team's fixtures.
Both the team and the players are far more likely to respond to encouragement than criticism.
Yes, sometimes criticism is valid (we're all guilty) but there are times its best to say nothing at all.

[WeeRussell]

This nonsense about Newell not passing the ball forward was started by someone who doesn't have a clue about football and continued on by those with a similar knowledge of the game.

Do arguments about which direction a ball is passed really require a high level of football knowledge?

[Hibi]

Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.

Yep, in my opinion that’s what it’s all about. I’m there to support each of the boys who are wearing my jersey, naturally away from the game I’ll dissect and moan about performances.

[Vault Boy]

Butcher's team didn't pass the ball backwards very often. Must have been great.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Do arguments about which direction a ball is passed really require a high level of football knowledge?

It shouldn't but it feels like some folk think you should never pass sideways or backwards. Not a high level of knowledge required but some would help.

[Danderhall Hibs]

There’s definitely more negativity about at the moment. I had to turn off a podcast last night because Macey was getting absolutely slated. I genuinely don’t see what he’s done wrong. As Colin on Longbangers always says, if he goalies were good with their feet they wouldn’t be goalies.

We all criticise and have a moan from time to time but ffs let’s do it with A bit class and decorum.

Agree with this. Can only imagine what the reaction will be like when Macey makes a mistake. It's like some are actively campaigning against the guy (on here and twitter as well).

And goalies wouldn't be in goals if they were good at football. :greengrin

[AltheHibby]

Not Hibs related, but at a non-league match in Hampshire an opposition player made a nasty remark to one of our elderly supporters. Three of us proceeded to spend the rest of the first half having a go at him. His performance dropped dramatically and he cost his team 3 goals.

My point being that in smaller crowds such as the Cove game players can hear supporters. So if we must boo a player at least make it an opposition one and do what the name suggests and be a supporter to our own team.

In any case, there's plenty opportunity to moan on here without dispiriting Hibs players.

[WhileTheChief..]

A roundabout way of saying "A've paid ma money Ah can do what Ah want." which is up there with the worst tropes of football "supporters".

Not at all.

I wasn't there and have never come out with the line you mention.

Why do you always look to have a dig at folk you don't agree with?

[Jones28]

Not at all.

I wasn't there and have never come out with the line you mention.

Why do you always look to have a dig at folk you don't agree with?

I don't always have a dig at people; where you're getting that from I have no idea?

You said "at least they were there", to me that reads that they turned up, so can shout and boo if they want.

[Victor]

Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.

Likewise. I think some people forget there is another team on the pitch and that no matter how lowly they are, they are going to do their best to stop us scoring. This includes preventing us passing and finding space. Paul Hartley is an experienced Coach who would have worked out how to frustrate us and stop us progressing.


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[Greenbeard]

We have alot more of the ball now and a much more patient approach because of this than under Ross.

Ross was very much knock it about then try hit Boyle or a striker to flick it on to him. It wouldn’t work all the time so then the opposition had easier possession against us and we always seemed to back off into two banks and be compact.

Under Maloney we make it much more difficult for the team to get the ball, the longer they’re running about pressing us the more tired they get as we try and move them about. Of course because we have more of the ball than previously there will be more backward passes.

But I’d rather we have the ball and recycle it well then the opposition having it and pinning us back.

Now under Maloney when the opposition win it we try get it back as quick as possible and have a high line to stop attacks.

The first two wins against Aberdeen and Dundee United were huge, I’m sure Aberdeen hadn’t lost in a while prior to that and both teams were above us. Celtic is a different kettle of fish but once we settled we looked ok albeit without creating much which Maloney said himself we need to improve on.

Cove was then the exact opposite standard wise than Celtic and although frustrating at times if the linesman was any good at his job we would have been 2-0 up within half an hour.

Everyone gets frustrated at times but let’s stick with it, I think we’ll be better for it.

I’ll also add Maloney has had a pretty hard task picking teams with the injuries and suspensions we’ve had.
Not if it means no risk football, 80% ineffective possession and a 0-0 draw. Sometimes you have to take risks even though it won't always come off and you lose possession. I want to see my team taking risks and playing exciting football. Risks are exciting, even when they don't come off 100%.

I'm not with the booing but I do think there is a degree of justification for the propensity of some players (not just Newell) too often to immediately pass it backwards or sideways and not make any effort to get in a better position for a return pass. JDH is more guilty of this than Newell. Too often he'll hit an easy backward/sideways pass and just stay put or trot in a marked position. What that usually means is the play making shifts to one of the defenders.

[loanheadhibby]

Your lack of awareness of what he brings to the team negates the rest of your post in my eyes.

I respect your opinion. However if he is to be the pivot in the side, he’ll need to sharpen up his touches on the ball. The transition from defence to attack will be determined by whoever plays in centre midfield.

If we are playing thru the lines, Joe will need to transition quicker from defence to attack or SM will replace him with someone who can.

[MWHIBBIES]

No I had the miss fortune of watching the full 120 minutes. Against DU and Aberdeen we were quickly moving the ball forward in nice triangles. Against Celtic and Cove back to the sideways stuff. Only difference from Ross is we are trying to play the ball out from the back. Try is the word as we were often putting ourselves in trouble. Who did not play against DU and Aberdeen but played against Celtic and Cove? There is part of the problem.

You simply did not watch the match if you think Newell was the problem. You mightve been there, but you didn't watch it. Ran the show, especially 2nd half. Dozens of forward passes.

[Since90+2]

Do arguments about which direction a ball is passed really require a high level of football knowledge?

Not a high level, no, but then I never said high level. You just made that bit up.

[loanheadhibby]

I said “some fans”. Some folk think supporting the team is giving them verbal abuse. It’s a strange way to go about it.

To be honest, I’ve no issues with fans booing. It was atrocious on Thursday night and they let the team know. In 42 years going to ER, it’s been a constant.

In the semi v Falkirk the players were booed on to the field after half time. It’s sink or swim time. Use it as fuel to show fans what you can do.

[Pretty Boy]

Booing the team at half time/ full time, I have no problem with that if they have been gash.

It’s the folk who single out individual players and pleasure themselves by giving it abuse from the onset that annoys me.

That's where I am even if I rarely join in with the booing. That HT/FT stuff is pantomime and it's certainly not a new phenomenon, I can remember it as a child and it still goes on now, that's at least 30 years it's been happening and plenty former players would back that up as well.

I've never got the absolute bile aimed at individuals though. The odd 'FFS Hibs' or similar is totally understandable but there are definitely a minority who single players out early doors and are on their case for 90+ minutes. One person doing it probably goes unnoticed but it doesn't take more than a few dozen in a crowd of 10K for it to become really audible and that's what we see most weeks at ER.

[loanheadhibby]

You simply did not watch the match if you think Newell was the problem. You mightve been there, but you didn't watch it. Ran the show, especially 2nd half. Dozens of forward passes.

I agree to an extent but 1st half he was ponderous when he got the ball. He was taking 5/6 touches and then passing it to Hanlon/Hallberg. That allowed Cove to get everyone behind the ball and set up defensively.

He was much better/sharper in last 25 mins/ET. I’m not sure if that was him upping the tempo or if Cove started to tire. I suspect a bit of both.

[brog]

[QUOTE=J-C;6830873]Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.


I'm with you on this 100%. There's supposedly a word for what we do, we are supporters! Booing your own team can never be described as being supportive! Well said Joe and by the way I'm not his biggest fan but I thought he was excellent last week & made plenty forward passes including his Scottyesque pass to Doig, who should have scored.

[HendoDelivered]

If passed the ball forward now and again the boos might stop.

😂😂😂 you defo sit and boo

[CockneyRebel]

If he passed the ball forward now and again the boos might stop.

So you're implying that he NEVER passes the ball forward?
I think you would find that he passes forward when he sees a forward pass as an option. Perhaps you could ask the other players in his team to actually move into positions where he can find them with a pass. Sometimes the opposition close down and press so well that there is no forward pass option so you need to keep possession until there is. Not saying Joe picks the right option every time but what player does?

Bit simplistic maybe but better than hopeful punts forward and hope for the best.

[silverhibee]

It’s happening far too often though. I think I’ve actually booed Hibs at half time twice in the 40 odd years I’ve been going to see them, i just couldn’t control my frustration. But it seems to be the done thing now simply if we’re not winning at Halftime or if the play isn’t particularly exciting.

See, this is what I was thinking, I have being going to watch Hibs since I was a kid, my dad would take me as a young boy to ER and I really can’t remember it being like this, after the Athens game we moved to the North stand, my dad was getting on a bit and my son was to young to be in the East, better view from the FF stand but the nastiness directed towards players was over the top and the 1st time I really noticed this behaviour, there was a few older chaps behind us who would give the players pelters and boo them when mistakes were made and a few times I would tell them to shut it and back the players, it seemed to make them worse and others would join in with them, you can’t take them all on, when my dad passed away me and my son moved to to the West, things were a lot worse in the west stand, a lot of folk who thought they new everything about football and how they could do better and boo give abuse to the team, I can remember one game under Calderwood and it was really bad, was sitting next to family members of Nishy and it was embarrassing for them, I lost it that day when a group were screaming at a player to move his arse and being accused of being lazy but it was so obvious the player was injured and at times couldn’t even keep himself onside but this group shouted all sorts of abuse and booed the player, I challenged them and pointed out that player was injured but they knew better, once I started climbing chairs to get to them they seemed to back down and tell me to calm down, they had been at it for a number of games and were getting away with it, I was raging with them, but my wee rant seemed to stop them from giving abuse, it’s the folk who dish it out and think they could do better that are the problem, these players have worked so hard in life from a very young age to make it as pro footballers and yet they are getting booed by folk who don’t play football, players will always make mistakes if it was to be all perfect then football would be so boring.

Maloney has only been here a few games and the knives are been sharpened already, it’s f***ing madness and sad that we have a player come out already to address the nonsense coming from the stands already, SUPPORT the team, that’s what fans are meant to do.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don't always have a dig at people; where you're getting that from I have no idea?

You said "at least they were there", to me that reads that they turned up, so can shout and boo if they want.

Eh?? That's just a mad interpretation of that I said!!!

The crowds at ER have getting worse and worse recently.

I think the fact that folk were there is pretty decent, I was acknowledging that. There were plenty folk moaning about the lack of fans for example.

I'm not into booing players, but i think they should be able to handle it from a small proportion of a such small crowd.

[SChibs]

What do boos actually achieve? Or just the plain abuse some players are subjected to?

[jacomo]

Booing is generally counter-productive. It gets said so many times but some folk don’t seem to understand that basic point.

However there was a moment in the second half when either Joe or JDH received the ball, turned back towards our goal, got booed and then immediately turned back again towards the opposition. May have been a coincidence but it made me chuckle.

More specifically, anyone who wanted JR out can stfu for at least a couple of months. You wanted change and got it, so do everyone a favour and at least give the new management team a chance to put their ideas into practice.

[Latapy'sVolley]

I think you would find that he passes forward when he sees a forward pass as an option. Perhaps you could ask the other players in his team to actually move into positions where he can find them with a pass. Sometimes the opposition close down and press so well that there is no forward pass option so you need to keep possession until there is. Not saying Joe picks the right option every time but what player does?

Bit simplistic maybe but better than hopeful punts forward and hope for the best.

Agreed - there's so often that folk get agitated about backwards passes, and I do too if there's a better option further up the park.

But if there's not, and our players choose to recycle the ball rather than lump it aimlessly, then that's a good thing.

[Billy Whizz]

I laugh sometimes when the team are booed off at ht, and cheered when they come back on😂

I’m not a booer myself

[mixumatosis]

There hasn't been one since SJM left

A guy who has excelled in the EPL and is being widely touted for a £50m move to Man Utd.

Hard to imagine why we might be lacking that sort of player.

[Jones28]

Eh?? That's just a mad interpretation of that I said!!!

The crowds at ER have getting worse and worse recently.

I think the fact that folk were there is pretty decent, I was acknowledging that. There were plenty folk moaning about the lack of fans for example.

I'm not into booing players, but i think they should be able to handle it from a small proportion of a such small crowd.

On a thread centered on the discussion around booing players its not a mad interpretation IMO.

Anyway, I don't want to argue with you for fear of being accused of picking fights with people - something only you seem to have picked up on - so I'll take my interpretation of you said and leave it at that.

[Conj]

I laugh sometimes when the team are booed off at ht, and cheered when they come back on😂

I’m not a booer myself

That gets me every time too, just don’t understand it at all.

[B.H.F.C]

So you're implying that he NEVER passes the ball forward?
I think you would find that he passes forward when he sees a forward pass as an option. Perhaps you could ask the other players in his team to actually move into positions where he can find them with a pass. Sometimes the opposition close down and press so well that there is no forward pass option so you need to keep possession until there is. Not saying Joe picks the right option every time but what player does?

Bit simplistic maybe but better than hopeful punts forward and hope for the best.

He’ll play a forward pass when he has the opportunity, but it never really seems to be his first thought or instinct.

I think a lot of frustration with Newell is that he can do more. I think the ability is there but we get nowhere near enough out of him.

[loanheadhibby]

I laugh sometimes when the team are booed off at ht, and cheered when they come back on😂

I’m not a booer myself

Maybe we should adopt the Barca approach and wave white hankies instead.

You can’t beat a good boo every now and again. Let’s the frustration out. Granted doesn’t help anyone but it’s a release of tension.

[Mick O'Rourke]

Booing the team at half time/ full time, I have no problem with that if they have been gash.

It’s the folk who single out individual players and pleasure themselves by giving it abuse from the onset that annoys me.

Could be that grown married men shouting abuse at players gives them solace from the hen pecking they receive indoors :greengrin

[Gatecrasher]

I laugh sometimes when the team are booed off at ht, and cheered when they come back on😂

I’m not a booer myself

I mean it is quite funny but I guess it puts the point across that the display in the first half was deemed unacceptable but we still have your back kind of thing.

I feel the Booing versus Cove was merited, I didn't expect us to stroll it but we really struggled at times. It was hard going.

[flash]

I mean it is quite funny but I guess it puts the point across that the display in the first half was deemed unacceptable but we still have your back kind of thing.

I feel the Booing versus Cove was merited, I didn't expect us to stroll it but we really struggled at times. It was hard going.
Is it not when the team is struggling that the supporters are really needed?

[Alan62]

I found the half-time booing a little bit embarrassing. Same for some of the absolute nonsense that a chap a few seats from me was spouting pretty much the whole game.

As people have mentioned, we had a bit of a makeshift team while the Cove team is clearly a lot better than League 1 level and is very well organised.

As for the style of play, it's clear that we are trying to retain possession and build attacks through the team. Inevitably that means going backwards and sideways at times while looking for opportunities to get in behind teams. It's obvious to me that some people who go to the football don't realise that part of the build-up play is designed to draw opponents out of their defensive set-up in order to create goalscoring opportunities - particularly with teams like Cove who put a lot of bodies behind the ball.

Anyway, I'm glad Joe has spoken up and I hope that people listen.

[happiehibbie]

The game was torture we had no penetration with the possession.

I did not boo the team but Malloney will not get long if this style continues.

Am all for ball retention but FFS that style against Cove was shocking

Nisbet gets a hard time he is coming so deep as the ball seems to be just outside or 18 yard box or does it have to MTRS in the wok world Get him between the post where most goals are scored :)

[silverhibee]

Never jeered or booed, never seen the point of it. I've had a bloody good moan about performance in the concourse with my mates but always tried to cheer them on.

I think there is a difference from having a go at things on social media platforms than actually being at the game and dishing it out, players will very seldom come on .net and think, well they experts know what they are talking about and I should listen to them, most will probably think we are talking s***e and know nothing about being a pro footballer, some players can handle the abuse dished out at games and it won’t affect them but there will be others who struggle with it and when playing will play the safe ball ( sideways or backwards) rather than being adventurous because if it doesn’t come of for then the boo boys are on to them and it will affect the confidence for rest of the game.

The team and coaching staff will need a bit time to implement things, it won’t happen overnight but just reading on here you can see that some folk have already made there minds up about our new manager and how he wants the players to play his style, which is madness.

[Gordy M]

The game was torture we had no penetration with the possession.

I did not boo the team but Malloney will not get long if this style continues.

Am all for ball retention but FFS that style against Cove was shocking

Nisbet gets a hard time he is coming so deep as the ball seems to be just outside or 18 yard box or does it have to MTRS in the wok world Get him between the post where most goals are scored :)

Im sure he will if he continues to win 3 out of 4, only losing away to Celtic.

[bigwheel]

Newell has come out and asked the fans for a wee bit patience . Sharing the challenge of changing the way the play and bedding in different players . He understands a fans frustration but is simply asking for a bit more support and patience during this transition period, as it can be unhelpful at times.

Yet, some fans on here come on and just justify the booing. We’ve got to have some of the grumpiest and least supportive supporters in our league …

[Alan62]

The game was torture we had no penetration with the possession.

I did not boo the team but Malloney will not get long if this style continues.

Am all for ball retention but FFS that style against Cove was shocking

Nisbet gets a hard time he is coming so deep as the ball seems to be just outside or 18 yard box or does it have to MTRS in the wok world Get him between the post where most goals are scored :)

This simply isn't true. While elements of the game were frustrating, we did have chances to score.

We had a perfectly good goal ruled offside in the first half and two other on-side breakthroughs ruled out during the game. Doidge had a superb overhead kick saved. We put numerous dangerous balls through the box from wide areas and Mueller and Nisbet both had very good chances in the game.

Personally, I think much of the displeasure came from the attitude that it was 'only Cove Rangers' when, in fact, they're a pretty decent team.

[CockneyRebel]

He’ll play a forward pass when he has the opportunity, but it never really seems to be his first thought or instinct.
I think a lot of frustration with Newell is that he can do more. I think the ability is there but we get nowhere near enough out of him.




I think that says it all. You don't always know if a forward pass is on or not before you receive the ball. Then you have to collect and keep the ball, then you have to see if a pass is on because most times he is getting the ball with an opposing player right up his jacksie so a twist or turn is needed to give him time and room to actually make a pass never mind deciding which direction it's going. His ability to twist and turn to win and keep the ball and get the player off his ass is quite consistent but when he looks up to make the pass is when his options appear. A lot of forward passing is just educated guesswork as to where a team mate is going to find space or make a forward run. When this come off it gets applause and when it flops it gets pelters. Most of these types of forward passes are intercepted by defenders using their experience to read the play and shut avenues down or at least give the guy a hard time. Side ways and backward passing is used by most teams, including international sides, until a way forward looks on. That is the way of the game for the foreseeable future so like it or not it will be around for a while yet.

None of the above is a revelation, it is now basic and occurs in most games and my interpretation of events is, of course, just an opinion.

[B.H.F.C]

Newell has come out and asked the fans for a wee bit patience . Sharing the challenge of changing the way the play and bedding in different players . He understands a fans frustration but is simply asking for a bit more support and patience during this transition period, as it can be unhelpful at times.

Yet, some fans on here come on and just justify the booing. We’ve got to have some of the grumpiest and least supportive supporters in our league …

Don’t think we’re any different to any other teams in the league, especially in that type of game. Go to Ibrox and Parkhead and it takes them about 15 minutes to start getting on their players backs if they’re not winning.

[B.H.F.C]

I think that says it all. You don't always know if a forward pass is on or not before you receive the ball. Then you have to collect and keep the ball, then you have to see if a pass is on because most times he is getting the ball with an opposing player right up his jacksie so a twist or turn is needed to give him time and room to actually make a pass never mind deciding which direction it's going. His ability to twist and turn to win and keep the ball and get the player off his ass is quite consistent but when he looks up to make the pass is when his options appear. A lot of forward passing is just educated guesswork as to where a team mate is going to find space or make a forward run. When this come off it gets applause and when it flops it gets pelters. Most forward passes are intercepted by defenders using their experience to read the play and shut avenues down or at least give the guy a hard time. Side ways and backward passing is used by most teams, including international sides, until a way forward looks on. That is the way of the game for the foreseeable future so like it or not it will be around for a while yet.

None of the above is a revelation, it is now basic and occurs in most games and my interpretation of events is, of course, just an opinion.

Good players don’t wait to get the ball then take six touches and 10 seconds to figure out what they’re doing. I’m not saying Newell does that every time he has it, but too often it doesn’t move quick enough. Backwards and sideways is fine when required, shouldn’t be the first thought which I often think it is and it’s a big reason that we’ve struggled for goals relatively often. It’s not about him (or whoever else is playing in there) playing a defence splitting pass every time we get it but it needs to get in to the final third quicker.

[bigwheel]

Don’t think we’re any different to any other teams in the league, especially in that type of game. Go to Ibrox and Parkhead and it takes them about 15 minutes to start getting on their players backs if they’re not winning.


Not sure about that - I think there is a booing mentality in our fans at games , and online, which tops most others . There may be exceptions but I can’t identify many. Celtic fans are largely great at supporting their team from the stands in my experience, particularly when they are in a hole .

My main point though was the reaction to the plea for help from Newell, being met with justification of the lack of support.

[Lago]

He has a point. Look at the team versus Cove, two guys playing their first ever game for the club and a midfield player on the right of a back three, all of them adapting to a new style of play. That against opposition on a 15 game unbeaten run who were clearly a better team than the league they are in, that was evident after about 15 minutes.

OK every fan, including me, can get disgruntled during the game at poor play or the ball not being played forward fast enough and have a moan ... but booing the team off at half time and full time is just totally unhelpful .... I just don't see the point of it.
Exactly, well said, totally agree.

[theonlywayisup]

Typical example of threads on Hibs.net at the moment (and probably since day one). Posters take alternative views then bore the pants of fellow posters trying to defend their view.

The reality is somewhere in between. Newell, as typical of many of today's midfielders, has that ability to pass the ball straight back to where the ball came from. It frustrates the hell out of me, but is obviously the right thing to do when he's being closed down. However, I feel there are occasions when he could turn, look up and see what's on, but instead takes the 'safe' option. The more people 'boo' the more likely he'll take the safe option.

With Newell, there are many occasions when he does turn, look up and helps us drive forward and I think he is generally good at doing that. I just wish he would do that more often.

[pollution]

If it ain't Booing I ain't going.

[CockneyRebel]

Good players don’t wait to get the ball then take six touches and 10 seconds to figure out what they’re doing. I’m not saying Newell does that every time he has it, but too often it doesn’t move quick enough. Backwards and sideways is fine when required, shouldn’t be the first thought which I often think it is and it’s a big reason that we’ve struggled for goals relatively often. It’s not about him (or whoever else is playing in there) playing a defence splitting pass every time we get it but it needs to get in to the final third quicker.


We have struggled for goals yes! Goal chances no! Poor officials and poor finishing more to blame than Joe's passing.

[B.H.F.C]

Not sure about that - I think there is a booing mentality in our fans at games , and online, which tops most others . There may be exceptions but I can’t identify many. Celtic fans are largely great at supporting their team from the stands in my experience, particularly when they are in a hole .

My main point though was the reaction to the plea for help from Newell, being met with justification of the lack of support.

Celtic fans are great at supporting them when they’re winning. Lost their first cup tie in four years last season and they were chasing the team bus down the road, at a time when they weren’t even allowed in to the game!

Ultimately, I don’t think folk really need to justify booing. If they want to they can and if they don’t want to they won’t. Think folk generally call what they see, Maloney’s first game being a good example. Wasn’t pretty, not many there but got right behind them because they felt there was something worth getting behind.

[hibsbollah]

I feel there are occasions when he could turn, look up and see what's on, but instead takes the 'safe' option. The more people 'boo' the more likely he'll take the safe option.

With Newell, there are many occasions when he does turn, look up and helps us drive forward and I think he is generally good at doing that. I just wish he would do that more often.


But the bit in bold is the key thing. Its counterproductive.

[loanheadhibby]

Newell has come out and asked the fans for a wee bit patience . Sharing the challenge of changing the way the play and bedding in different players . He understands a fans frustration but is simply asking for a bit more support and patience during this transition period, as it can be unhelpful at times.

Yet, some fans on here come on and just justify the booing. We’ve got to have some of the grumpiest and least supportive supporters in our league …

Absolutely no chance that is true. All over the world, fans boo their team if they are not performing. Certainly not any worse at ER than other grounds.

[The 90+2]

I wonder what the reaction to this would be if it was Nisbet doing the interview. People are literally falling over each other ripping into him.

If it's not entertaining some of the support will boo - the club can't complain as they sacked Ross for similar.

[The 90+2]

Not sure about that - I think there is a booing mentality in our fans at games , and online, which tops most others . There may be exceptions but I can’t identify many. Celtic fans are largely great at supporting their team from the stands in my experience, particularly when they are in a hole .

My main point though was the reaction to the plea for help from Newell, being met with justification of the lack of support.


Celtic fans are laden with success.

Celtc fans last year weren't getting behind their side good or bad. That's for sure.

[FitbaFolkKen]

I like Newell, he’s a cracking player for our level. Robust, retains the ball, can carry the ball, reads the game, quality crosses and seems a good character. The fact he battled through the terrible start he had with us is a credit to him.

Could he be more aggressive, absolutely. However he will fill the role he is being directed to, much the same as when he was hung out on the left wing by Hecky.


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[wookie70]

The boos at half time were very evident and noticeable because there was no clapping or cheering. I don't boo these days but that first half performance was terrible. Yes there was mitigation but we need to be doing better and fans can show the team their displeasure. I think what the players need to realise is that a failed forward pass showing ambition is very rarely criticised. A pass the buck backwards pass is never popular. I want to see signs that what Maloney wants to do is being worked on and we are on a journey. that wasn't very evident in a positive sense v Cove but there has been some glimpses in other games. Early days and he will need time and a fit squad. The last couple of managers weren't afforded that though

[EdinMike]

I hope to Jebus we’re 4-0 up at half time tonight or this place will self destruct…

[WhileTheChief..]

On a thread centered on the discussion around booing players its not a mad interpretation IMO.

Anyway, I don't want to argue with you for fear of being accused of picking fights with people - something only you seem to have picked up on - so I'll take my interpretation of you said and leave it at that.

Jeez, I explained my post further but you've just decided to ignore what I'm actually saying and believe something else entirely!

I have never said 'i paid my money so i can boo if i want'.

Not even close, and not what I was saying at all.

[The 90+2]

I hope to Jebus we’re 4-0 up at half time tonight or this place will self destruct…

This is as an example of the extreme of the other way, ripping the support and posters on here for not being completely positive. :aok:

[superfurryhibby]

We have struggled for goals yes! Goal chances no! Poor officials and poor finishing more to blame than Joe's passing.

How many goals has Newell scored at Hibs? For a midfielder, regardless of their role, it's an awful stat (the answer is 3, in 90 games).

[WhileTheChief..]

This is as an example of the extreme of the other way, ripping the support and posters on here for not being completely positive. :aok:

Scared to say anything these days - it will soon be as quiet on here as ER is!!

[Stanton Spence]

If teams are playing crap then fans will let them know its not a new thing
I get the transition thing and we are trying to get a certain way of playing that's different etc but fans don't think about that freezing their nuts off watching us struggle against cove rangers
I guess it's just going to take time which is another thing that fans don't like to hear

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[The 90+2]

Scared to say anything these days - it will soon be as quiet on here as ER is!!

:agree: People are allowed to disagree but the beauty of .net was everyone was allowed to have an opinion. Recently there's loads of hounding plus "this is what is running this place down" comments. I haven't seen much change for people to say that but fair do's.

If Hibs are playing well I'll be positive and say, if they are playing gash then likewise.

The one gripe I've got is many people who backed Jack Ross (I know) and acknowledged back in October the run coming up, the injuries we had and the covid issues quite gladly threw him under a bus when he was sacked - the same people wouldn't hear a bad word said about the guy and others where negative if they posted otherwise - hundreds of abuse of posters saying it wasn't good enough under Ross... Now it's turned full circle it was all Jacks fault and won't hear anything said about Maloney or ripped :greengrin

I know it's a football forum and measured and balanced probably go hand in hand but people are allowed to be optimistic/pessimistic even deluded either way because that's their opinion and have every right to it.

I didn't go on Thursday - I watched on the TV, my opinion is you would have to be wired to the moon to expect no negativity after the first half against a part time football side. We picked up towards the end of the 90 and deservedly got the win. I'm glad Nisbet scored to help get people off his back - ironically many of them are the ones slating booing and anything usually that doesn't mean positivity.

[Keepthefaith]

For me it feels like there's some supporters who will either be negative or quiet! I sit in section 41 and there's loads of folk who sit passively and only comment critically.

Me and my mate often the only ones being encouraging and joining in with singing/ clapping. Other grounds do seem to have better atmospheres, though often smaller clubs like palace and Brentford spring to mind.

I suppose Newell is asking us to be a bit patient because we asked for the change. Supporters need to wise up to this and be a bit more intelligent and see the bigger picture. Got a good feeling about Maloney. We need to back him and the team to the hilt!

[Jones28]

Jeez, I explained my post further but you've just decided to ignore what I'm actually saying and believe something else entirely!

I have never said 'i paid my money so i can boo if i want'.

Not even close, and not what I was saying at all.

I didn't ignore what you said, I interpreted it in a way you didn't intend.

[lord bunberry]

I don’t really care what Newell has to say to be honest. I’m not one for booing during the game or at halftime, but booing at the final whistle is perfectly acceptable imo. You’ve just watched a team huff and puff against a lower division team and not be able to win in 90 minutes, are they looking for a round of applause after that? I’m all for being supportive and I always try and look for the positives, but there has to come a time when you’re at a game when you need to show your opinion of what you’ve seen.

[CockneyRebel]

How many goals has Newell scored at Hibs? For a midfielder, regardless of their role, it's an awful stat (the answer is 3, in 90 games).

So you want him to make a defence splitting pass then chase after it and score a goal? He plays too deep (instructions?) to be a constant goal menace. Since SJM we have had no-one to do this nor are we likely too in our price range unless we dig a lucky one out of "youngsters with promise".

[lord bunberry]

So you want him to make a defence splitting pass then chase after it and score a goal? He plays too deep (instructions?) to be a constant goal menace. Since SJM we have had no-one to do this nor are we likely too in our price range unless we dig a lucky one out of "youngsters with promise".
I’m sorry but that’s a cop out, he’s had numerous chances to score and either passed or hit a tame effort wide or straight at the keeper, his shooting is woeful. I like Newell as a player but he is extremely frustrating at times, he can look like a world beater in some games and anonymous in others.

[DIXIHIBS]

Bottom line is that a hibs player is asking the hibs support to more supportive. He shouldnt have to do that. We have a new manager with new ideas and 4 games in we should be totally behind them. This must affecting the players or i dont think he would have come out with this.

[Golden Bear]

Bottom line is that a hibs player is asking the hibs support to more supportive. He shouldnt have to do that. We have a new manager with new ideas and 4 games in we should be totally behind them. This must affecting the players or i dont think he would have come out with this.

:agree:

[Unseen work]

Bottom line is that a hibs player is asking the hibs support to more supportive. He shouldnt have to do that. We have a new manager with new ideas and 4 games in we should be totally behind them. This must affecting the players or i dont think he would have come out with this.

Spot on.

Everyone will have their own explanation as to why but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter.

It’s negatively impacting the players.

Let’s get behind them, encourage and support them.

[Gatecrasher]

Is it not when the team is struggling that the supporters are really needed?

I have been at games where the crowd really backed the players for 90 mins and the players didn't respond but I have also seen the oppisite where the crowd offered next to no backing and the team delivered.

I don't think the crowd has as much of a bearing as some are suggesting but it can impact from time to time. The players need to be professional at the end of the day and put in performances that we want to see. Cove was as far away from that as any bad performances lucky Cove tired as that got us through in the end.

[Hillsidehibby]

A guy who has excelled in the EPL and is being widely touted for a £50m move to Man Utd.

Hard to imagine why we might be lacking that sort of player.

Your point is? Does it take a £50m player to make a run into the box?

[B.H.F.C]

I have been at games where the crowd really backed the players for 90 mins and the players didn't respond but I have also seen the oppisite where the crowd offered next to no backing and the team delivered.

I don't think the crowd has as much of a bearing as some are suggesting but it can impact from time to time. The players need to be professional at the end of the day and put in performances that we want to see. Cove was as far away from that as any bad performances lucky Cove tired as that got us through in the end.

Agree with this. I’m quite surprised this has cropped up to be honest, I didn’t think the crowd reaction against Cove was really that bad. Crowd can make a difference on occasion but the game last week is the least pressured environment you’re ever likely to play in as a Hibs player.

[The 90+2]

Agree with this. I’m quite surprised this has cropped up to be honest, I didn’t think the crowd reaction against Cove was really that bad. Crowd can make a difference on occasion but the game last week is the least pressured environment you’re ever likely to play in as a Hibs player.


He was probably asked the question from the reporter pushing the agenda and just gave an honest response.

[Dalianwanda]

The point he is making isnt anything to do with how good he is its to do with where we are as a team. Its commendable he has tried to explain things from a players point of view, another humans point of view Its about the fact he & the rest of the team are learning a new way to play. Hats off to those of you that have managed to learn a new skill under the regular abuse of those around you. Id say you have managed this in spite of the abuse not because of it.

Its not saying the team never deserve to be booed its saying this is where we, what were doing and this is the effect its having. Some call for players to be braver but are on their backs as soon as that 'bravery' doesnt show in their play.

Its not realistic that folk wont boo during the game but maybe understanding the effect it may have might get them to think about it for a bit.

[hibbysam]

How many goals has Newell scored at Hibs? For a midfielder, regardless of their role, it's an awful stat (the answer is 3, in 90 games).

First 2 players plucked out of my head in our league, Steven Davis (4 in 132) and Callum McGregor (6 in his last 79).

Those are two players that have a lot less to worry about defensively, have much more of the ball, yet play a similar role. Deep laying midfielders tend not to score many goals.

[Hibiza]

Stop yir greetin Joe - try Playing some more forward passes.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Stop yir greetin Joe - try Playing some more forward passes.

He did and now he wants the supporters to stop their greetin. :wink:

[Sean1875]

There was some wee boys sitting behind me just behind the Hibs dugout at the Cove game who shouted at the team as they were getting their team talk before the start of extra time saying they need to get their finger out and attack more, Joes response of ‘shut up you little twat’ made me laugh :greengrin wonder if this article was partly inspired by that!

[MWHIBBIES]

First 2 players plucked out of my head in our league, Steven Davis (4 in 132) and Callum McGregor (6 in his last 79).

Those are two players that have a lot less to worry about defensively, have much more of the ball, yet play a similar role. Deep laying midfielders tend not to score many goals.

Amazing how stats can just immediately blast someones daft argument away.

Joe Newell is not in the side to score goals.

[Since90+2]

First 2 players plucked out of my head in our league, Steven Davis (4 in 132) and Callum McGregor (6 in his last 79).

Those are two players that have a lot less to worry about defensively, have much more of the ball, yet play a similar role. Deep laying midfielders tend not to score many goals.

To be fair McGregor has scored double the amount of goals in less games. Not sure he's a good example.

[Tambo]

Like most think Joe Doesn't get forward or the ball as much as we would like as when he does he's usually a threat.

Of course sometimes there will be times where a simpler ball will be played so let's see what tonight brings.

[Allant1981]

To be fair McGregor has scored double the amount of goals in less games. Not sure he's a good example.

Only 3 more in a better team that wins most weeks in more or less the same amount of games is a perfectly good example i think

[Since90+2]

Only 3 more in a better team that wins most weeks in more or less the same amount of games is a perfectly good example i think

McGregor has scored 55 goals for Celtic in 355 games. A goal every 6.5 games. That's a far higher return than Newell.

Not a very good example.

[The 90+2]

Amazing how stats can just immediately blast someones daft argument away.

Joe Newell is not in the side to score goals.

What is he in the side to do?

[Bushiri33]

I think it shows a level of honesty from him. It's refreshing to actually hear how footballers are feeling. He's right, things will take time, it's a new style and something we should all be excited about.

[CockneyRebel]

I’m sorry but that’s a cop out, he’s had numerous chances to score and either passed or hit a tame effort wide or straight at the keeper, his shooting is woeful. I like Newell as a player but he is extremely frustrating at times, he can look like a world beater in some games and anonymous in others.


And so have all of our forward players.

[MWHIBBIES]

What is he in the side to do?

Bring the ball out of defence, retain possession, move the ball around, win it back. Things he does very well. Also takes some set pieces.

[CockneyRebel]

What is he in the side to do?


What do you expect? You do know that Roy Race is a fictional character?

[The 90+2]

Bring the ball out of defence, retain possession, move the ball around, win it back. Things he does very well. Also takes some set pieces.

The Hibs equivalent of that https://www.hibs.net/image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhDwAPANEAAP///729vVn/yAAAACH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwEAAAAh/sFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnJ0bHNvZnQuY29tL2FuaW1hZ2ljLwoKQ3J lYXRlZCB3aXRoIEFuaW1hZ2ljIEdJRiBWIDEuMjEKYnkgUmlna HQgdG8gTGVmdCBTb2Z0d2FyZSBJbmMuCgpUbyBzdXBwcmVzcyB 0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgaW4gdGhlIHJlZ2lzdGVyZWQgdmVyc2lvb gp1bmNoZWNrICJPcHRpb25zIHwgQW5pbWFnaWMgY29tbWVudCB mcmFtZSIKACH5BAkeAAEALAAAAAAPAA8AAAI6jD2Zx5EC4WIjW nmqeFIPtElh GnX SiqulUDALyw7LozHM/tdveuw5PlfsAWjvMBtRQYiqnTyKgaBQAh QQJHgABACwAAAAADwAPAAACOYw9mceRAuFiI1p5qnhbbtSF3OB cplQpqrqlADC88Ju6M023G86nZRzD Uot2SiDUmAomsik4VA1CgAh QQJHgABACwAAAAADwAPAAACOow9mceRAuFiI1p5qnhSD7RJYfh p1/koqrpVAwC8sOy6MxzP7Xb3rsOT5X7AFo7zAbUUGIqp08ioGgUA IfkECR4AAQAsAAAAAA8ADwAAAjqMPZnHkQLhYkM8WcfJ0nbtRK KoVeNpZcqqpBYADHAMqy9d166M41ko49F odTsAiqyJI1LZNJwrBoFACH5BAkeAAEALAAAAAAPAA8AAAI6jD 2Zx5EC4WIjWnmqeFIPtElh GnX SiqulUDALyw7LozHM/tdveuw5PlfsAWjvMBtRQYiqnTyKgaBQAh QQJHgABACwAAAAADwAPAAACOow9mceRAuFiQzxZx8nSdu1Eoqh V42llyqqkFgAMcAyrL13XrozjWSjj0X6h1OwCKrIkjUtk0nCsG gUAIfkECR4AAQAsAAAAAA8ADwAAAjqMPZnHkQLhYiNaeap4Ug 0SWH4adf5KKq6VQMAvLDsujMcz 12967Dk V wBaO8wG1FBiKqdPIqBoFADs=Simpsons episode with soccer in it then :greengrin

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.e4954872332e9f74088648bdb2587cfa?rik=Kf0Auu4keo7 cfg&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

[The 90+2]

What do you expect? You do know that Roy Race is a fictional character?

Any need to be so wide? :confused:

[Hibbyradge]

If it ain't Booing I ain't going.

I usually leave before the booing starts.

[WhileTheChief..]

I have been at games where the crowd really backed the players for 90 mins and the players didn't respond but I have also seen the oppisite where the crowd offered next to no backing and the team delivered.

I don't think the crowd has as much of a bearing as some are suggesting but it can impact from time to time. The players need to be professional at the end of the day and put in performances that we want to see. Cove was as far away from that as any bad performances lucky Cove tired as that got us through in the end.

I agree with this.

If we’re losing, but the crowd can see that everyone is busting a gut to get a result, then generally the atmosphere will reflect that.

Think how often we need a goal in the last 5 mins. When we see the players moving forward quickly, or Allan making that defence-splitting pass to set up a chance, the fans are tremendous and ER can be bouncing.

Watching performances like we saw against Cove, for a lot of us, was boring as hell.

The crowd on the night just reflected the general feeling, as it pretty much always does.

[Ringothedog]

I usually leave before the booing starts.

You leave before kickoff?

[B.H.F.C]

Newell should be chipping in now and again and he’s said that himself. He actually gets in to quite a few decent positions but is reluctant to have a shot a lot of the time.

[Allant1981]

McGregor has scored 55 goals for Celtic in 355 games. A goal every 6.5 games. That's a far higher return than Newell.

Not a very good example.

I was going with the numbers in the post

[Danderhall Hibs]

Newell should be chipping in now and again and he’s said that himself. He actually gets in to quite a few decent positions but is reluctant to have a shot a lot of the time.

:agree: the midfield need to chip in with far more goals. JDH is even Lea productive on that front - unwilling to shoot at times.

[Hibbyradge]

You leave before kickoff?

:tee hee:

[hibbysam]

McGregor has scored 55 goals for Celtic in 355 games. A goal every 6.5 games. That's a far higher return than Newell.

Not a very good example.

Most of which playing further forward with brown in behind him. Since brown was phased out and McGregor has been sitting in (the exact role Newell plays) then he’s scored far less goals.

[lord bunberry]

And so have all of our forward players.
We’re discussing Newell though. If the post above is true that he’s abusing fans at the game then he won’t last much longer.

[Crunchie]

How many goals has Newell scored at Hibs? For a midfielder, regardless of their role, it's an awful stat (the answer is 3, in 90 games).
More than Dylan McGeouch I fancy., who wasn't too shabby a player for us :wink:

[Crunchie]

We’re discussing Newell though. If the post above is true that he’s abusing fans at the game then he won’t last much longer.
Hopefully it has the opposite effect and the wee twat realises the error of his ways.

[ekhibee]

It's all very well and I agree with Joe, but our team should be more than good enough to be winning consistently without needing to spend a while adapting to a playstyle that may not even work.

If we lose the next 3, but the manager says we're improving and showing signs, will folk be happy? I definitely won't.

Totally agree with every word.

[CockneyRebel]

Any need to be so wide? :confused:

Any need to be so obtuse. Tell me what you mean and I'll try to answer.

[Malthibby]

Hopefully it has the opposite effect and the wee twat realises the error of his ways.

Hear hear - wee twats become big twats if they think their behaviour is consequence free. Wish I'd been there to give Joe a round of applause.
GG

[lord bunberry]

Hear hear - wee twats become big twats if they think their behaviour is consequence free. Wish I'd been there to give Joe a round of applause.
GG
So shouting that the team needs to get the finger out is cause enough for players to shout abuse at punters in the stand? He’s going to be doing a lot of shouting to the fans if the current dross him and his team are serving up continues.

[007]

The Hibs equivalent of that https://www.hibs.net/image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhDwAPANEAAP///729vVn/yAAAACH/C05FVFNDQVBFMi4wAwEAAAAh/sFodHRwOi8vd3d3LnJ0bHNvZnQuY29tL2FuaW1hZ2ljLwoKQ3J lYXRlZCB3aXRoIEFuaW1hZ2ljIEdJRiBWIDEuMjEKYnkgUmlna HQgdG8gTGVmdCBTb2Z0d2FyZSBJbmMuCgpUbyBzdXBwcmVzcyB 0aGlzIG1lc3NhZ2UgaW4gdGhlIHJlZ2lzdGVyZWQgdmVyc2lvb gp1bmNoZWNrICJPcHRpb25zIHwgQW5pbWFnaWMgY29tbWVudCB mcmFtZSIKACH5BAkeAAEALAAAAAAPAA8AAAI6jD2Zx5EC4WIjW nmqeFIPtElh GnX SiqulUDALyw7LozHM/tdveuw5PlfsAWjvMBtRQYiqnTyKgaBQAh QQJHgABACwAAAAADwAPAAACOYw9mceRAuFiI1p5qnhbbtSF3OB cplQpqrqlADC88Ju6M023G86nZRzD Uot2SiDUmAomsik4VA1CgAh QQJHgABACwAAAAADwAPAAACOow9mceRAuFiI1p5qnhSD7RJYfh p1/koqrpVAwC8sOy6MxzP7Xb3rsOT5X7AFo7zAbUUGIqp08ioGgUA IfkECR4AAQAsAAAAAA8ADwAAAjqMPZnHkQLhYkM8WcfJ0nbtRK KoVeNpZcqqpBYADHAMqy9d166M41ko49F odTsAiqyJI1LZNJwrBoFACH5BAkeAAEALAAAAAAPAA8AAAI6jD 2Zx5EC4WIjWnmqeFIPtElh GnX SiqulUDALyw7LozHM/tdveuw5PlfsAWjvMBtRQYiqnTyKgaBQAh QQJHgABACwAAAAADwAPAAACOow9mceRAuFiQzxZx8nSdu1Eoqh V42llyqqkFgAMcAyrL13XrozjWSjj0X6h1OwCKrIkjUtk0nCsG gUAIfkECR4AAQAsAAAAAA8ADwAAAjqMPZnHkQLhYiNaeap4Ug 0SWH4adf5KKq6VQMAvLDsujMcz 12967Dk V wBaO8wG1FBiKqdPIqBoFADs=Simpsons episode with soccer in it then :greengrin

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.e4954872332e9f74088648bdb2587cfa?rik=Kf0Auu4keo7 cfg&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

Looks like he was doing a good job considering we were up against Portugal. 😀

[brog]

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

[CockneyRebel]

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

:aok:

[hibsbollah]

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

:top marks

Facts, that’ll never catch on.

[CentreLine]

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

🤩 excellent analysis and well worth the time spent. Thank you
Sadly, there are some people who don’t take any notice of facts and reality

[Danderhall Hibs]

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

Thanks for that. No doubt someone will tell you they don’t need stats cos they know what they saw.

[hibsbollah]

I particularly like the stat that his average touch taken per possession was, er , 2.

[B.H.F.C]

🤩 excellent analysis and well worth the time spent. Thank you
Sadly, there are some people who don’t take any notice of facts and reality

Folk just pick the stats that suit them though. Could talk our record with Newell out of the team, but that’ll just be a small sample size or whatever if it doesn’t suit the argument that he’s our best midfielder who has such a big influence on the team.

[hibbysam]

OK, I've gone above & beyond the call of duty & watched the 1st half of the Cove game again & analysed Newell's performance in detail. I really did this in an attempt to reassure myself that my old eyes haven't completely gone along with my ability to understand what's happening on the pitch.
I've paraphrased some of the negative comments & put the facts beside them.

1. The most common criticism, Newell's instinct is to pass back, he doesn't look for a forward pass.
Reality - Newell passed forward twice as much as he passed back, 18/9, with 3 sideways. At least 4 of the forward passes were 20 yards or more. The only times Joe gave away possession were an attempted 40 yard pass after 10 minutes which the defender just managed to put out for a throw in, and a right foot cross into a good area in the box which the keeper gathered. That's an astonishing effort.
2. Newell takes 5 or 6 touches every time.
Reality - Joe took 5 touches once & 4 on 4 occasions. Those longer spells of possession were when he was driving forward, something else he apparently doesn't do! Joe's average touch by possession was 2!
3. Newell spent all his time passing to Hanlon & Hallberg.
Reality - Joe passed to Hanlon 3 times and Hallberg once.

Let's remember, the common concensus on here was that Joe played much better from the 2nd half on, he must have had some game & I can understand his frustration.

Outstanding work sir.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Folk just pick the stats that suit them though. Could talk our record with Newell out of the team, but that’ll just be a small sample size or whatever if it doesn’t suit the argument that he’s our best midfielder who has such a big influence on the team.

Yeah everyone does it - that’s what stats are for. Very successfully used last time to sack the manager.

What is our record without him in the team? With him in it it was a 3rd place finish and successive cup finals.

[B.H.F.C]

Yeah everyone does it - that’s what stats are for. Very successfully used last time to sack the manager.

What is our record without him in the team? With him in it it was a 3rd place finish and successive cup finals.

In the league he missed 6 games last season. We won 5 and lost 1. This season he’s missed 4. We’ve won 3 and drawn 1.

Think it was losing too many games that got Jack the sack to be fair.

[Danderhall Hibs]

In the league he missed 6 games last season. We won 5 and lost 1. This season he’s missed 4. We’ve won 3 and drawn 1.

Think it was losing too many games that got Jack the sack to be fair.

Small sample size 😂

It was the style of play I think - that’s what they said they want to change in the press when SM was appointed.

[The 90+2]

I particularly like the stat that his average touch taken per possession was, er , 2.

One of Newells' best attributes for me is the fact he can two-touch control the ball and make a pass regardless of the situation. He is too negative at times though for me although being honest it's probably because you can just see a player in there that could be more attacking and make it work because his control and passing is so comfortable.

[B.H.F.C]

Small sample size 😂

It was the style of play I think - that’s what they said they want to change in the press when SM was appointed.

That might come. Meantime, at least we’re not losing most weeks.

[Danderhall Hibs]

That might come. Meantime, at least we’re not losing most weeks.

It’ll have to come - no mights about it, otherwise when we have a bad run the knives will be out.

[jeffers]

Comments about Newell slowing things down, passing back too often were valid in previous games imo, but certainly not the last two. I think he’s been far more positive and has been our best midfielder if not our best player. It’s never been about ability for me, he clearly has that.

[silverhibee]

It’ll have to come - no mights about it, otherwise when we have a bad run the knives will be out.

Let’s be honest, the knives are being sharpened as we chat.

[Smartie]

Comments about Newell slowing things down, passing back too often were valid in previous games imo, but certainly not the last two. I think he’s been far more positive and has been our best midfielder if not our best player. It’s never been about ability for me, he clearly has that.

He had a game of two halves last night.

Outstanding first half, went into his shell a bit second half.

He has shown flashes at least though.

JDH was very disappointing last night. I thought he had a great start to the season under Ross.

There have to be question marks over playing the pair of them in the middle together as they haven't cut it for some time.

[WhileTheChief..]

Let’s be honest, the knives are being sharpened as we chat.

It's nothing to do with the fans.

If the board aren't happy with the way things go, they'll bin Maloney.

If performances and results are decent, they'll stick with him.

[worcesterhibby]

Comments about Newell slowing things down, passing back too often were valid in previous games imo, but certainly not the last two. I think he’s been far more positive and has been our best midfielder if not our best player. It’s never been about ability for me, he clearly has that.

I would tend to agree with this, if we are talking about the games since SM has been in charge. To be fair JDH has actually been worse at consistently passing backwards in the games I've watched. It felt to me that Newell has played well in the last 2 games and has been much more positive, but we still lack players willing and capable of driving forward with the ball in the middle third of the pitch other than in VERY wide positions. Having a Latapy or SJM type of player makes such a difference and that's what Celtic always seem to have and we very rarely have. Like ourselves Celtic almost always play out from the back, but as soon as there is any space in front of them their players drive forward with the ball through the middle as well as on the wings, committing defenders and creating space.

It's the next piece of the puzzle. I'd love to see up play Mitchell in a central role. just to see what happens !

[brog]

I particularly like the stat that his average touch taken per possession was, er , 2.

I must admit that surprised me. For the record he had 15 x1 touch, 4 x2, 6 x3, 4 x4 & 1 x5. None of his passes were clerances or hoofs up the park & 28/30 (93.3%) found a Hibs player.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Let’s be honest, the knives are being sharpened as we chat.

It does feel like that.

[The 90+2]

It does feel like that.


I don't think so. A lot of fans remember managers being sacked and worse being brought in.

The knives being sharpened comment probably came about on here under Butcher or Calderwood before too as well as back him and give him a chance even when disaster stared us in the puss. Not saying that about Maloney but we are allowed to be on our guard and not just blindly back anyone.

There's been very little so far to indicate any sort of improvement and with Boyle leaving then (ironically)stating it's not his team the excuses are out.

We need a win on Saturday because I'm very doubtful we will win the derby.

[WeeRussell]

I don't think so. A lot of fans remember managers being sacked and worse being brought in.

The knives being sharpened comment probably came about on here under Butcher or Calderwood before too as well as back him and give him a chance even when disaster stared us in the puss. Not saying that about Maloney but we are allowed to be on our guard and not just blindly back anyone.

There's been very little so far to indicate any sort of improvement and with Boyle leaving then (ironically)stating it's not his team the excuses are out.

We need a win on Saturday because I'm very doubtful we will win the derby.

I can definitely hear steel rubbing against steel in this post like…

Do you mean Maloney when you said someone stated “it’s not his team”? If so, what’s ironic about it in relation to Boyle leaving?

[The 90+2]

I can definitely hear steel rubbing against steel in this post like…

Do you mean Maloney when you said someone stated “it’s not his team”? If so, what’s ironic about it in relation to Boyle leaving?

Because Boyle isn't his team either.

***** like last night, Cove and Parkhead is acceptable because it's not his team yet it's also acceptable because Boyle's left.

Decent Motherwell pun btw.

[MWHIBBIES]

Because Boyle isn't his team either.

***** like last night, Cove and Parkhead is acceptable because it's not his team yet it's also acceptable because Boyle's left.

Decent Motherwell pun btw.

Look at the games individually.

Celtic park - beaten easily by a team 10x the budget. Hardly some disaster.

Cove - not great, but would've won by 2 or 3 had our early goal been given. Always hard against 10 defenders.

Motherwell - Hard fought point on a horrible night.

This is after 2 brilliant results in his first 2 games. Maloney is doing fine. Anyone doubting him already needs to just get a grip tbh.

[Mutu]

Few notable things from last night.

Was impossible for the wing backs.

- I'm almost certain that Mcginn or Stevenson didn't once attempt to make an overlapping run to create a bit of space for Doig/Cadden. Obviously a tactical choice by Maloney. Given that were were just recycling the ball between left and right it was a huge issue all night.

- Small thing but Cadden/Doig taking throw ins instead of McGinn/Stevenson. Again, made it hard for the wing backs to get any sort of territory.

- Wind made it hard to switch the ball from left the right quickly.

- Campbell/Mueller had a torrid time recieving the ball with their back to goal. Only niSbet long ked capable or recieving the ball but the ball was rarely on for aforementioned reasons.

All in all this game was a direct result of the way we set out to play the game. Find it hard to blame the players when we were so conservative tactically.

Hopefully we learn and move on.

Rocky motm followed by Newell.

[BoomtownHibees]

Few notable things from last night.

Was impossible for the wing backs.

- I'm almost certain that Mcginn or Stevenson didn't once attempt to make an overlapping run to create a bit of space for Doig/Cadden. Obviously a tactical choice by Maloney. Given that were were just recycling the ball between left and right it was a huge issue all night.

- Small thing but Cadden/Doig taking throw ins instead of McGinn/Stevenson. Again, made it hard for the wing backs to get any sort of territory.

- Wind made it hard to switch the ball from left the right quickly.

- Campbell/Mueller had a torrid time recieving the ball with their back to goal. Only niSbet long ked capable or recieving the ball but the ball was rarely on for aforementioned reasons.

All in all this game was a direct result of the way we set out to play the game. Find it hard to blame the players when we were so conservative tactically.

Hopefully we learn and move on.

Rocky motm followed by Newell.

Mcginn and Stevenson were playing as part of the back 3, not wing backs. Cadden and Doig were the wing backs

[easty]

Mcginn and Stevenson were playing as part of the back 3, not wing backs. Cadden and Doig were the wing backs

Exactly. McGinn and Lewis were never expected to get forward.

[Mutu]

Mcginn and Stevenson were playing as part of the back 3, not wing backs. Cadden and Doig were the wing backs

Obviously.

but it's fairly standard that the left and right hand side of the three need to have that attacking element.

See Tierney/Robertson for Scotland.

I'm not saying they need to be Roberto Carlos but there needed to be an outlet

Any top side who plays the 3-4-3 does this to an extent because the midfield to can cover.

[Jones28]

Obviously.

but it's fairly standard that the left and right hand side of the three need to have that attacking element.

See Tierney/Robertson for Scotland.

I'm not saying they need to be Roberto Carlos but there needed to be an outlet

Any top side who plays the 3-4-3 does this to an extent because the midfield to can cover.

Hanlon used to made underlapping runs when Lennon had us play 3 at the back. Great to see.

[Mutu]

Hanlon used to made underlapping runs when Lennon had us play 3 at the back. Great to see.

Aye, and Porteous has it in his locker too. The spare man is often in that back three so we really need hanlon Porteous back - really underrated distribution.

Hanlon Rocky and Porteous is suddenly a tasty back 3 with Cadden/Mitchell on the wings