Abuse

[hibee316]

First game tonight in about 2 years (2 young kid and a wife who works weekends)

I had forgotten how much abuse folk shouted at the players.

I was near the back of the West, and there was at least four guys who looked like they might burst with anger.

It's like folk forget there is actually another team on the park who are, surprisingly, not just going to allow Hibs to roll the ball into the net.

I get that it can get very frustrating at games but shouting abuse at the top of your lungs when you are at the back of the stand us just peeing off everyone around you. The players can't even hear you!

We should make the first 2 rows around the pitch designated abuse rows for folk who want the players to really hear them!

[Lago]

:top marks
First game tonight in about 2 years (2 young kid and a wife who works weekends)

I had forgotten how much abuse folk shouted at the players.

I was near the back of the West, and there was at least four guys who looked like they might burst with anger.

It's like folk forget there is actually another team on the park who are, surprisingly, not just going to allow Hibs to roll the ball into the net.

I get that it can get very frustrating at games but shouting abuse at the top of your lungs when you are at the back of the stand us just peeing off everyone around you. The players can't even hear you!

We should make the first 2 rows around the pitch designated abuse rows for folk who want the players to really hear them!

[Vault Boy]

It's widely accepted as part of the game, but that really needs to change.

We so often talk about professional players and staff needing 'thick skin', rather than focusing on those that shout abuse, write horrible things online, and generally overreact when they think a footballer isn't good enough. It's truly bizzare that it's just considered part and parcel of professional sport.

In most other industries, the kind of behaviours that happen on a daily basis in our treatment of footballers would be considered scandalous. And rightly so.

I genuinely believe it's one of those things we'll look back on in 10/15 years and think 'wow, we were so out of touch'.

[Unseen work]

The abuse and booing was embarassing.

If Cove never had luck on their side and we had semi capable refs we would have been at least 1-0 up through Doidge and potentially 2 when he was through on goal. Wrong offsides saved them and would have made it a lot more comfortable.

It was always going to be a tough game, I don’t know why people think differently.

I mentioned on the match day thread that fans always moan about players and say they need to show composure, how about the fans show some too?

It was like spoilt brats the amount they were booing or if the players never launched it forward.

You could actually see a period in the game the players were starting to go away from what Maloney wanted because of the fans and funnily enough that’s when Cove had their best spell.

Maloney was seen telling Newell to ignore them and it will work and it did.

It took far longer than what I should of but we missed some amount of chances.

[heretoday]

Never boo Hibs. It's not going to help them play better.

[Callum_62]

Some of our fans are a bit pathetic likes

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[hibee316]

The abuse and booing was embarassing.

If Cove never had luck on their side and we had semi capable refs we would have been at least 1-0 up through Doidge and potentially 2 when he was through on goal. Wrong offsides saved them and would have made it a lot more comfortable.

It was always going to be a tough game, I don’t know why people think differently.

I mentioned on the match day thread that fans always moan about players and say they need to show composure, how about the fans show some too?

It was like spoilt brats the amount they were booing or if the players never launched it forward.

You could actually see a period in the game the players were starting to go away from what Maloney wanted because of the fans and funnily enough that’s when Cove had their best spell.

Maloney was seen telling Newell to ignore them and it will work and it did.

It took far longer than what I should of but we missed some amount of chances.

I can only comment from 2 years previous, but there were always folk around me shouting abuse regardless of how or who we played.

Just angry folk who can't see the effect of their behaviour of all the folk around them.

[Danderhall Hibs]

It's widely accepted as part of the game, but that really needs to change.

We so often talk about professional players and staff needing 'thick skin', rather than focusing on those that shout abuse, write horrible things online, and generally overreact when they think a footballer isn't good enough. It's truly bizzare that it's just considered part and parcel of professional sport.


In most other industries, the kind of behaviours that happen on a daily basis in our treatment of footballers would be considered scandalous. And rightly so.

I genuinely believe it's one of those things we'll look back on in 10/15 years and think 'wow, we were so out of touch'.

It’s mad. Clearly the players heard it - Nisbet put his fingers in his ears when he scored.

[madhatter]

It's widely accepted as part of the game, but that really needs to change.

We so often talk about professional players and staff needing 'thick skin', rather than focusing on those that shout abuse, write horrible things online, and generally overreact when they think a footballer isn't good enough. It's truly bizzare that it's just considered part and parcel of professional sport.

In most other industries, the kind of behaviours that happen on a daily basis in our treatment of footballers would be considered scandalous. And rightly so.

I genuinely believe it's one of those things we'll look back on in 10/15 years and think 'wow, we were so out of touch'.

Some of this is caused by the huge financial disparity between football players and paying fans. Especially in the major leagues, you are talking about football players being paid more in a week than some people earn in 5 years (or more).

I genuinely only see it getting worse in the future. I wouldn't shout abuse but if I supported PSG and saw Messi lose the ball and not look bothered I'd be raging inside knowing that he'd be earning €500,000 that week.

[Hiber-nation]

Worst and least warranted I've heard for a long time. I wonder what these clowns would have done had we lumped the ball aimlessly up the park like they seemed to want.

[hibee316]

Worst and least warranted I've heard for a long time. I wonder what these clowns would have done had we lumped the ball aimlessly up the park like they seemed to want.

I shouted a couple of times for the Hibs players to pass it backwards... don't think I helped a few peoples blood pressure.

[Nicho87]

I noticed as well during that spell

When the players started listening to the ‘noise’

Maloney I’m sure he said something along lines of keep the ball ignore the noise.

[Shrekko]

Never boo Hibs. It's not going to help them play better.

Many’s a time I’ve shouted “ah cmon that’s rubbish” or whatever but “supporters” who actually personally abuse their own players and boo their team during a game are one of life’s huge mysteries?

It’s the fact you know that some of them start within seconds of the game starting - they know they’re going to do it, they get their kicks from doing it and yet they stand there with a Hibs scarve on.

[gaz1875]

Worst and least warranted I've heard for a long time. I wonder what these clowns would have done had we lumped the ball aimlessly up the park like they seemed to want.

We were lumping it aimlessly some of the time.

[JJP]

It was obvious to me that there was no lack of effort from the players tonight. Don't really know what good these so called supporters think booing and shouting abuse is going to achieve. Well done to the team for being professional and getting the job done.

[hibee316]

I've always found it odd that folk shout abuse at players for making mistakes, when not a single one of them would last 2 minutes playing on a pitch.

Why shout abuse at someone for not doing something perfectly, that you can't even do at all? Nout weird as folk...

[HendoDelivered]

Gimps

[Viva_Palmeiras]

There have been threads in the past where topic of abuse has arisen and term was clarified - was justified by a small number over the years.

To those abusing Hibs players I suggest you watch a dyed in the wool Hibee (one of our own) Joe Tortolano talk of his experience - it was available via St Pats at one stage not sure if it’s still online. It’s one of the worst cases of abuse in my mind. I distinctly recall (at an away game at EEP or St Johnstone where Callum Milne was so disgusted he slammed the ball against the hoardings in frustration at a section of our own support. Shocking.

if you can watch that and still stand up for your actions when you see the impact it had, then you probably need to take a long hard look at yourself.

[Shrekko]

There have been threads in the past where topic of abuse has arisen and term was clarified - was justified by a small number over the years.

To those abusing Hibs players I suggest you watch a dyed in the wool Hibee (one of our own) Joe Tortolano talk of his experience - it was available via St Pats at one stage not sure if it’s still online. It’s one of the worst cases of abuse in my mind. I distinctly recall (at an away game at EEP or St Johnstone where Callum Milne was so disgusted he slammed the ball against the hoardings in frustration at a section of our own support. Shocking.

if you can watch that and still stand up for your actions when you see the impact it had, then you probably need to take a long hard look at yourself.

The game you referred to was indeed at East End Park but the worst incident was at Tannadice where Joe was booed in the warm up when his name was read out on the tannoy.

One I’ll never forget was literally 5 seconds after the 1st game of the season(Stirling Albion away) started 3/4 years back and a guy launched into a huge tirade of abuse at the top of his voice on Steven Whittaker who hadn’t even touched the ball yet. A League Cup winner.

[Alfred E Newman]

It's widely accepted as part of the game, but that really needs to change.

We so often talk about professional players and staff needing 'thick skin', rather than focusing on those that shout abuse, write horrible things online, and generally overreact when they think a footballer isn't good enough. It's truly bizzare that it's just considered part and parcel of professional sport.

In most other industries, the kind of behaviours that happen on a daily basis in our treatment of footballers would be considered scandalous. And rightly so.

I genuinely believe it's one of those things we'll look back on in 10/15 years and think 'wow, we were so out of touch'.

Goodness me.
The crowd shouting and getting worked up is part of the game at all levels and it has been since the game was invented, it’s called atmosphere.
If we ever get to the stage that fans are told exactly what they can and can’t say at a game we might as well call it a day.

[jacomo]

Some of this is caused by the huge financial disparity between football players and paying fans. Especially in the major leagues, you are talking about football players being paid more in a week than some people earn in 5 years (or more).

I genuinely only see it getting worse in the future. I wouldn't shout abuse but if I supported PSG and saw Messi lose the ball and not look bothered I'd be raging inside knowing that he'd be earning €500,000 that week.


Yes but that doesn’t apply at our club does it?

Some of our ‘supporters’ need to have a serious word with themselves. The abuse both at ER and on the socials is absolutely pathetic.

[kaimendhibs]

Was ridiculous tonight. Helps no one

[Vault Boy]

Goodness me.
The crowd shouting and getting worked up is part of the game at all levels and it has been since the game was invented, it’s called atmosphere.
If we ever get to the stage that fans are told exactly what they can and can’t say at a game we might as well call it a day.

Quite a leap from 'abuse shouldn't be normalised in football' to 'fans being told what they can and can't say'.

Abusing players and staff isn't atmosphere, it's the opposite.

[Brightside]

We had different seats tonight nearer the half way line and there was a woman behind us who basically just screamed constantly. She just sounded really unhappy to be there for the majority of the game.

[Baader]

Helps nobody and given the fact fans haven't been able to attend matches recently you'd think some would have more of an appreciation of being able to watch Hibs. Booing your own team and players doesn't make them play better.

[RIP]

Cowards with no bottle. You wouldn’t want any of those soft lads behind you in a fight.
It’s been our reputation for years. Keep it even for half an hour and the Hibs fans will get on their players backs. Hartley said as much in his interview.

[Pete]

It was pretty embarrassing tonight. I bet these people salivate over their favourite champions league team who's main objective is to keep the ball until they can find a way through their opponents instead of losing it by lumping it forward. Yet when it's Hibs it's the exact opposite, just lump it and stop messing about!
It was a bit slow tonight and we played like we'd just been flung together (which is kind of true) but you can see the general direction we're heading in.
People will always moan though, and hopefully once we have a settled team who are all on board, the moaning will once again be a minor issue

[pacoluna]

It’s mad. Clearly the players heard it - Nisbet put his fingers in his ears when he scored.

I put my fingers over my eyes at his sitter on Monday.

[lord bunberry]

It was pretty embarrassing tonight. I bet these people salivate over their favourite champions league team who's main objective is to keep the ball until they can find a way through their opponents instead of losing it by lumping it forward. Yet when it's Hibs it's the exact opposite, just lump it and stop messing about!
It was a bit slow tonight and we played like we'd just been flung together (which is kind of true) but you can see the general direction we're heading in.
People will always moan though, and hopefully once we have a settled team who are all on board, the moaning will once again be a minor issue
Worryingly a lot of these guys moaning and shouting abuse see hibs as their Scottish team but are equally as passionate about an epl team. I see it on Twitter all the time, guys who are hibs fans but post all the time about Man City and Chelsea. I’ve no interest in the premiership down south but I fear that my generation are the last to feel that way and it won’t be long before hibs are most Scottish fans second club.

[pacoluna]

Worryingly a lot of these guys moaning and shouting abuse see hibs as their Scottish team but are equally as passionate about an epl team. I see it on Twitter all the time, guys who are hibs fans but post all the time about Man City and Chelsea. I’ve no interest in the premiership down south but I fear that my generation are the last to feel that way and it won’t be long before hibs are most Scottish fans second club.

What a load of pish.

[hibee316]

If we ever get to the stage that fans are told exactly what they can and can’t say at a game we might as well call it a day.

I'm not sure I get your point.

You are quite rightly not allowed to shout rascist, sectarian (unless you are OF!) or homophobic abuse at folk.

So, it is, thankfully, already dictated by society what you can and can't shout. And also what is acceptable evolves.

The point is what the folk around me are doing is not appropriate, they are just not reading the room that everyone else thinks they are an erse.

[The Spaceman]

Angry little men who are taking out their life troubles on some teenagers and 20 year olds.

[Steve20]

Aye, It's the fans fault again for another awful performance.

The standards at Hibs need to rise. The acceptance of mediocrity is a reason why we'll always get that, until a better mentality is installed at the club.

[JimBHibees]

Aye, It's the fans fault again for another awful performance.

The standards at Hibs need to rise. The acceptance of mediocrity is a reason why we'll always get that, until a better mentality is installed at the club.

A better mentality isnt moaning because we keep the ball.

[ArmadaleHibs]

The abuse and booing was embarassing.

If Cove never had luck on their side and we had semi capable refs we would have been at least 1-0 up through Doidge and potentially 2 when he was through on goal. Wrong offsides saved them and would have made it a lot more comfortable.

It was always going to be a tough game, I don’t know why people think differently.

I mentioned on the match day thread that fans always moan about players and say they need to show composure, how about the fans show some too?

It was like spoilt brats the amount they were booing or if the players never launched it forward.

You could actually see a period in the game the players were starting to go away from what Maloney wanted because of the fans and funnily enough that’s when Cove had their best spell.

Maloney was seen telling Newell to ignore them and it will work and it did.

It took far longer than what I should of but we missed some amount of chances.

I have to agree with all of the above. I’ve had a season ticket for as long as I care to remember. I’m also at 99% of away games and have done this since the 80s.

I get that fans want to vent frustration and the likes but this has taken on a whole new level in the last few years. Some of the abuse aimed at the players is disgusting, relentless and constant regardless of how they are playing, and there seems to be more and more of our (dwindling) support joining in.

Maloneys been in the door five minutes and he’s already being crucified in some social media quarters and from the stands. It’s ridiculous. The old guy and his son sat behind me last night literally had nothing good to say about any player barring mueller. They slated near enough everyone constantly. The absolute negativity and abuse they gave joe Newell, who I thought was very good at times last night, was utterly shameful at times.

Have we become the best team in the world in recent years and as we are not reaching the top with every kick of the ball we are merited in slagging, criticising and abusing the players constantly. No we’ve not and we shouldn’t be. I know it’s probably inherent at most clubs but if there was a league table for moaning fans we would be right up there challenging. Then the fans would moan if we didn’t win that as well.

I feel for some of our players and the crap that’s hurled at them. New manager, trying to teach old dogs new tricks overnight and we can’t just get behind it fully. It can be hard being a Hibby but there will be times when it can be easy and wonderful. Not for some fans though obviously

[BSEJVT]

Aye, It's the fans fault again for another awful performance.

The standards at Hibs need to rise. The acceptance of mediocrity is a reason why we'll always get that, until a better mentality is installed at the club.

That's a crock of ****

There has never in my lifetime been an acceptance of mediocrity within the club.

That criticism comes from folk too divorced from reality to see that the club struggles its best against some opponents with far greater resources.

That "acceptance of mediocrity" is a worthless soundbite dreamed up by those who need something to moan about.

[JimBHibees]

I have to agree with all of the above. I’ve had a season ticket for as long as I care to remember. I’m also at 99% of away games and have done this since the 80s.

I get that fans want to vent frustration and the likes but this has taken on a whole new level in the last few years. Some of the abuse aimed at the players is disgusting, relentless and constant regardless of how they are playing, and there seems to be more and more of our (dwindling) support joining in.

Maloneys been in the door five minutes and he’s already being crucified in some social media quarters and from the stands. It’s ridiculous. The old guy and his son sat behind me last night literally had nothing good to say about any player barring mueller. They slated near enough everyone constantly. The absolute negativity and abuse they gave joe Newell, who I thought was very good at times last night, was utterly shameful at times.

Have we become the best team in the world in recent years and as we are not reaching the top with every kick of the ball we are merited in slagging, criticising and abusing the players constantly. No we’ve not and we shouldn’t be. I know it’s probably inherent at most clubs but if there was a league table for moaning fans we would be right up there challenging. Then the fans would moan if we didn’t win that as well.

I feel for some of our players and the crap that’s hurled at them. New manager, trying to teach old dogs new tricks overnight and we can’t just get behind it fully. It can be hard being a Hibby but there will be times when it can be easy and wonderful. Not for some fans though obviously

Great post

[Gloucester Hibs]

Loathe to criticise any fans who actually bothered to go to the game last night, the football served up was pretty horrendous.

[flash]

Aye, It's the fans fault again for another awful performance.

The standards at Hibs need to rise. The acceptance of mediocrity is a reason why we'll always get that, until a better mentality is installed at the club.

You were one of the offenders weren't you Steve.

[Hibernian Verse]

You were one of the offenders weren't you Steve.

Does it on twitter under most posts by the social media team too.

[The Spaceman]

Does it on twitter under most posts by the social media team too.

Cringing badly, does he really?

[flash]

Does it on twitter under most posts by the social media team too.

I have about 100 muted on twitter due to comments after posts from the official site.
Makes it a much more pleasant experience.

[DIXIHIBS]

Didnt sit in my normal seat last night and tried somewhere else for a change. 3 lads behind me moaned from the first minute, not shouting but they had nothing good to say. I moved after about 10 mins. I thought it was quite a hard watch at times last night and the slow patient build does nothing to improve the atmosphere. The few times we injected a bit of pace and got forward quicker the crowd lifted. I agree a lot of the booing/abuse it totally over the top but i fear nothing will change with this style of football. You can only imagine the reaction of the crowd if we are 1 down to hertz with 10 mins to go and we are passing the ball around/backwards with no urgency.

[we are hibs]

Hibs fans = bad!


Some on here must pray for it to happen so they can come on here and say how great a hibs fan they are and everyone else is a disgrace and embarrassment blah blah

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[JXM73]

Hibs fans = bad!


Some on here must pray for it to happen so they can come on here and say how great a hibs fan they are and everyone else is a disgrace and embarrassment blah blah

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Keyboard warriors... its like school sports day, we should give the fat kid praise for finishing last. Doig shanks a simple cross into the south stand..oh dont upset the lad for not being able to do a job he's highly paid for or murphy doing the same **** everygame... aye stop yer moaning.

Do well you'll get the praise you deserve, do **** you should rightly be slated...

[Shrekko]

Aye, It's the fans fault again for another awful performance.

The standards at Hibs need to rise. The acceptance of mediocrity is a reason why we'll always get that, until a better mentality is installed at the club.

I’m assuming the way to prove you don’t accept mediocrity is to relentlessly abuse the team and manager?

Why do you people believe that helps? What does it achieve?

Would a more supportive environment help the team be less mediocre? I’m thinking it maybe would. Strange that in the one game this season where the team got loud encouragement from start to finish that they managed to hump Rangers at Hampden….

[mutley]

I know exactly what you mean, there are 4 or 5 guys that sit behind me in the East Stand and they generally spend the entire 90 mins screaming abuse at the players or the Ref.

And weirdly it's not as if the players/Ref can actually hear them anyway! Clearly they are just not getting their hole at home and need to take out their frustrations at someone.

[flash]

Keyboard warriors... its like school sports day, we should give the fat kid praise for finishing last. Doig shanks a simple cross into the south stand..oh dont upset the lad for not being able to do a job he's highly paid for or murphy doing the same **** everygame... aye stop yer moaning.

Do well you'll get the praise you deserve, do **** you should rightly be slated...

You are not a supporter.

[StockholmHibs]

Fans shouting abuse at players! Oh the poor wee lambs.
Bollox thread this is!
We should be more concerned about the lack of fans at Easter Road.
We could be down to 6000 season ticket holders next season.
It doesn't look good 😕

[blackpoolhibs]

We had different seats tonight nearer the half way line and there was a woman behind us who basically just screamed constantly. She just sounded really unhappy to be there for the majority of the game.

Have you ever thought it might be you? :greengrin

[Fergus52]

Keyboard warriors... its like school sports day, we should give the fat kid praise for finishing last. Doig shanks a simple cross into the south stand..oh dont upset the lad for not being able to do a job he's highly paid for or murphy doing the same **** everygame... aye stop yer moaning.

Do well you'll get the praise you deserve, do **** you should rightly be slated...

20 year old boy miss hits one cross and you think that gives you the right to verbally abuse him?

Loser.

[Brizo]

If you read Eddie Turnbull and Lawrie Reilly's autobiographies the FF, and in particular those two players, were getting abused back in the 50s when things didn't go well!

The abuse the likes of Benny Brazil and Brian Hamilton got began before they got on the pitch.

It's not a thing particular to Hibs, I was at Old Trafford twenty years ago and couldn't believe a guy behind me slaughtering Ryan Giggs for 90 minutes.

For a lot of people Hibs, and every other football club, is the wife/partner/boss/workmate they cant shout at and Hibs are the substitute vehicle for venting all their anger. It's not right but it's always been this way.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Missed most of the first half but heard the last 10 mins of it on the radio
One of the pundits said "You can see the style SM is trying to bring to Hibs and fans will love the football the team plays when they're winning but they will hate it when they're losing because scottish football needs a massive culture reboot"

or words to that effect. And they were spot on, a lot of fans WANT the club to play football (and this isnt specific to Hibs, its the same in most grounds including national stadium), but when players choose to try and play out of trouble the fans are on their back to "get rid of it". Or when we make a backward pass the groans start up

It's not basketball we're playing, there's no need to just get it forward as fast as we can without method. Of course there's a balance and it has to be leading to something but we as a nation need to embrace keeping the ball on the ground and the odd risk when passing out from the back

[Onceinawhile]

Keyboard warriors... its like school sports day, we should give the fat kid praise for finishing last. Doig shanks a simple cross into the south stand..oh dont upset the lad for not being able to do a job he's highly paid for or murphy doing the same **** everygame... aye stop yer moaning.

Do well you'll get the praise you deserve, do **** you should rightly be slated...

Do you think he doesn't know he's shanked it like?

That you need to scream at him to let him know it's gone out?

What does screaming abuse achieve other than making you feel like a big man?

[Hiber-nation]

Do you think he doesn't know he's shanked it like?

That you need to scream at him to let him know it's gone out?

What does screaming abuse achieve other than making you feel like a big man?

He was probably too busy booing to notice Josh running himself into the ground in extra time to help us get the winning goal.

[mjhibby]

I know exactly what you mean, there are 4 or 5 guys that sit behind me in the East Stand and they generally spend the entire 90 mins screaming abuse at the players or the Ref.

And weirdly it's not as if the players/Ref can actually hear them anyway! Clearly they are just not getting their hole at home and need to take out their frustrations at someone.

Very droll and probably very accurate. Most fans use er to get out all their frustrations with family,work,covid politics,cost of living etc etc. The same happens when parents watch their kids playing a sport and they scream every time the ref does something they don't agree with or they kid is tackled. I accept that but some folk go way ott and get on everybody's wick.

[ShinyFantastic]

This thread is nothing short of embarrassing, what do you want people to do, sit on their hands the entire game? Or praise the gallant effort of the boys for falling over the finish line with a 1-0 victory against Cove Rangers in extra time… Do me a favour

[Steven79]

I've always found it odd that folk shout abuse at players for making mistakes, when not a single one of them would last 2 minutes playing on a pitch.

Why shout abuse at someone for not doing something perfectly, that you can't even do at all? Nout weird as folk...

No more grief for refs or managers then...

[Onceinawhile]

This thread is nothing short of embarrassing, what do you want people to do, sit on their hands the entire game? Or praise the gallant effort of the boys for falling over the finish line with a 1-0 victory against Cove Rangers in extra time… Do me a favour

So someone not doing their job well should be abused in public?

Going anywhere and shouting abuse at people is weird.

A reactive "ffs that was mince" is natural. But standing up and shouting "you're pish go f yourself" is not.

One is fine, one shows maybe you need to reevaluate tbh.

[flash]

This thread is nothing short of embarrassing, what do you want people to do, sit on their hands the entire game? Or praise the gallant effort of the boys for falling over the finish line with a 1-0 victory against Cove Rangers in extra time… Do me a favour

Get behind the team as they try to negotiate a tricky cup tie?

[hibee316]

No more grief for refs or managers then...

Would be nice.

I don't see anything wrong in challenging the norms that it is okay to shout abuse at other people.

Can I ask the folk who have slated this thread why they think it is okay to hurl abuse at someone for not kicking a bit of leather the way they like it?

Do you hurl abuse in a restaurant when your meal isn't how you like it?

Do you hurl abuse at a co-workee when they don't complete a task properly?

Are you telling me you are incapable of creating atmosphere without hurling abuse?

[MikeyS]

Would be nice.

I don't see anything wrong in challenging the norms that it is okay to shout abuse at other people.

Can I ask the folk who have slated this thread why they think it is okay to hurl abuse at someone for not kicking a bit of leather the way they like it?

Do you hurl abuse in a restaurant when your meal isn't how you like it?

Do you hurl abuse at a co-workee when they don't complete a task properly?

Are you telling me you are incapable of creating atmosphere without hurling abuse?

Hopefully no one is hurling abuse in those scenarios bit I can certainly see the difference in those settings to inside an atmospheric and sometimes volatile football stadium. I might not always agree with it but I don't think it's anyone else's place to tell another how they should show their emotions or displeasure in something they (and we all) ultimately want the best for.

[BSEJVT]

Get behind the team as they try to negotiate a tricky cup tie?

Ridiculous

Will never catch on

I bet you any money there were folk out there preparing the post-match rants for when we got beat.

There is a terrible atmosphere at ER and across most social media and its getting worse

[MikeyS]

Ridiculous

Will never catch on

I bet you any money there were folk out there preparing the post-match rants for when we got beat.

There is a terrible atmosphere at ER and across most social media and its getting worse

Social media is a cesspit for football fans. It allows everyone one of us a a platform to be an unregulated pundit and everyone believes each statement they make is more important than anyone elses. This place would turn turn same way if it wasnt for the great job the mods do in policing it.

[Hibby Bairn]

Hopefully no one is hurling abuse in those scenarios bit I can certainly see the difference in those settings to inside an atmospheric and sometimes volatile football stadium. I might not always agree with it but I don't think it's anyone else's place to tell another how they should show their emotions or displeasure in something they (and we all) ultimately want the best for.

Does it happen in Basketball, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis, Ice Hockey etc.

It seems to be a football thing. But I've been to games in other countries where it doesn't seem to happen.

[Hibernian Verse]

Does it happen in Basketball, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis, Ice Hockey etc.

It seems to be a football thing. But I've been to games in other countries where it doesn't seem to happen.

There's a reason it's a football thing and not a Rugby thing, pretty sure you don't need me to articulate it, so I won't incase the wee angry men get offended.

[MikeyS]

Does it happen in Basketball, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis, Ice Hockey etc.

It seems to be a football thing. But I've been to games in other countries where it doesn't seem to happen.

I'm sure it does happen on occasion in those sports yes.cant say for certain about Cricket or Tennis as I've never been to those but I've been to Madison Sq Gardens and the New Yorkers certainly get their point across with lovely colourful language.

Internatuonal Rugby may be more sanitised I suppose, I came away feeling I'd been at a wedding reception or Hogmanay party as opposed to a sporting event the one and only time I've been to Murrayfield.

[hibee316]

I might not always agree with it but I don't think it's anyone else's place to tell another how they should show their emotions or displeasure in something they (and we all) ultimately want the best for.

Work places can be incredibly tense, but even in the most stressful meetings if someone started shouting horrible stuff at you at the top of their lungs, plenty people would tell them to calm it.

Why is the football different?

[MikeyS]

Work places can be incredibly tense, but even in the most stressful meetings if someone started shouting horrible stuff at you at the top of their lungs, plenty people would tell them to calm it.

Why is the football different?

Well it's completely non comparable for a start. How Many work places charge the general public to come in to watch the meetings??

I may be way off the point here and I apologise if I'm picking you up incorrectly but are you advocating that supporters just come in and can only show emotions of a positive nature? We're you perfectly calm during or after the 5-1 Cup Final for example, so that you didn't further upset the players performances on that day?

[Pretty Boy]

Maybe I'm just lucky but in recent times I always seem to end up areas where there is very little in the way of vitriolic abuse aimed directly at players. Only time I really recall it happening of late was in one of my rare forays into the West Upper and even then it was a handful of people.

There was a lot of general moaning last night but, certainly in my locality, very little real personal abuse. As I said on the other thread when Maloney came over to the fans at FT he got a fantastic reception from those of us exiting the East. The more general booing at HT and FT and the like is hardly a new thing. I have been a regular at ER for over 30 years now and it was well established when I 1st started going. Some of my earliest memories supporting Hibs are of abuse far worse than anything I hear now, when you read Joe Tortolano saying he remembers being booed (and worse) before a games even started then it would seem we have actually mellowed a bit as a support over the years. I've always thought of the generic boo when you are losing at HT as pantomime stuff, probably not all that helpful but it happens at every ground in the country and beyond.

I wasn't much of a supporter last night. I'm not one for really getting all angry at any time but neither am I one for leading the singing and last night was no exception. It was cold, the game wasn't great and I sat with my hands in my pockets for most of the 120 minutes waiting to go home. There were a few frustrated sighs and a bit of head shaking and obviously a cheer when we scored but that was your lot from me. People directly abusing players in a really horrible manner need to have a look at themselves. However if football became a consumer product that was reminiscent of sitting at the theatre then I'd lose the little remaining interest I have in the game. The tribalism and the emotive nature of it is what keeps me interested, for me and many others when it comes to Hibs it is very much more than a game. That is probably at the root of a lot of the frustration you heard coming from the stands last night.

I'll probably get grief for this but it's far easier to be judgmental about the behaviour of others and be less harsh about the performance of the team when you are sitting in the warm with a beer or a coffee, other distractions to keep you amused and an ability to jump straight into bed when the FT whistle went. No one has to justify their non attendance but there has to be an acknowledgment that a game looks and feels completely different depending on the circumstances of how you are watching it. For the minority in attendance it was far from a pleasant experience for a variety of reasons.

[MikeyS]

Maybe I'm just lucky but in recent times I always seem to end up areas where there is very little in the way of vitriolic abuse aimed directly at players. Only time I really recall it happening of late was in one of my rare forays into the West Upper and even then it was a handful of people.

There was a lot of general moaning last night but, certainly in my locality, very little real personal abuse. As I said on the other thread when Maloney came over to the fans at FT he got a fantastic reception from those of us exiting the East. The more general booing at HT and FT and the like is hardly a new thing. I have been a regular at ER for over 30 years now and it was well established when I 1st started going. Some of my earliest memories supporting Hibs are of abuse far worse than anything I hear now, when you read Joe Tortolano saying he remembers being booed (and worse) before a games even started then it would seem we have actually mellowed a bit as a support over the years. I've always thought of the generic boo when you are losing at HT as pantomime stuff, probably not all that helpful but it happens at every ground in the country and beyond.

I wasn't much of a supporter last night. I'm not one for really getting all angry at any time but neither am I one for leading the singing and last night was no exception. It was cold, the game wasn't great and I sat with my hands in my pockets for most of the 120 minutes waiting to go home. There were a few frustrated sighs and a bit of head shaking and obviously a cheer when we scored but that was your lot from me. People directly abusing players in a really horrible manner need to have a look at themselves. However if football became a consumer product that was reminiscent of sitting at the theatre then I'd lose the little remaining interest I have in the game. The tribalism and the emotive nature of it is what keeps me interested, for me and many others when it comes to Hibs it is very much more than a game. That is probably at the root of a lot of the frustration you heard coming from the stands last night.

I'll probably get grief for this but it's far easier to be judgmental about the behaviour of others and be less harsh about the performance of the team when you are sitting in the warm with a beer or a coffee, other distractions to keep you amused and an ability to jump straight into bed when the FT whistle went. No one has to justify their non attendance but there has to be an acknowledgment that a game looks and feels completely different depending on the circumstances of how you are watching it. For the minority in attendance it was far from a pleasant experience for a variety of reasons.

Top post PB, very well put. Particularly the part about the theatre comparison. If it came to that I'd just be an armchair fan too I reckon.

[Lago]

Maybe I'm just lucky but in recent times I always seem to end up areas where there is very little in the way of vitriolic abuse aimed directly at players. Only time I really recall it happening of late was in one of my rare forays into the West Upper and even then it was a handful of people.

There was a lot of general moaning last night but, certainly in my locality, very little real personal abuse. As I said on the other thread when Maloney came over to the fans at FT he got a fantastic reception from those of us exiting the East. The more general booing at HT and FT and the like is hardly a new thing. I have been a regular at ER for over 30 years now and it was well established when I 1st started going. Some of my earliest memories supporting Hibs are of abuse far worse than anything I hear now, when you read Joe Tortolano saying he remembers being booed (and worse) before a games even started then it would seem we have actually mellowed a bit as a support over the years. I've always thought of the generic boo when you are losing at HT as pantomime stuff, probably not all that helpful but it happens at every ground in the country and beyond.

I wasn't much of a supporter last night. I'm not one for really getting all angry at any time but neither am I one for leading the singing and last night was no exception. It was cold, the game wasn't great and I sat with my hands in my pockets for most of the 120 minutes waiting to go home. There were a few frustrated sighs and a bit of head shaking and obviously a cheer when we scored but that was your lot from me. People directly abusing players in a really horrible manner need to have a look at themselves. However if football became a consumer product that was reminiscent of sitting at the theatre then I'd lose the little remaining interest I have in the game. The tribalism and the emotive nature of it is what keeps me interested, for me and many others when it comes to Hibs it is very much more than a game. That is probably at the root of a lot of the frustration you heard coming from the stands last night.

I'll probably get grief for this but it's far easier to be judgmental about the behaviour of others and be less harsh about the performance of the team when you are sitting in the warm with a beer or a coffee, other distractions to keep you amused and an ability to jump straight into bed when the FT whistle went. No one has to justify their non attendance but there has to be an acknowledgment that a game looks and feels completely different depending on the circumstances of how you are watching it. For the minority in attendance it was far from a pleasant experience for a variety of reasons.
What a really sensible post, well said.

[Just Alf]

Do you think he doesn't know he's shanked it like?

That you need to scream at him to let him know it's gone out?

What does screaming abuse achieve other than making you feel like a big man?It also achieves at adding a bit more tension on the players that hear it so making it more likely that more mistakes can happen.

Heck, even the 'wonderful' Terry Butcher when at ICT said their main game plan when coming down here was to get the fans frustrated as that impacted the Hibs players and lifted his own.. made it a great leveller he said.

[hibee316]

Well it's completely non comparable for a start. How Many work places charge the general public to come in to watch the meetings??

I may be way off the point here and I apologise if I'm picking you up incorrectly but are you advocating that supporters just come in and can only show emotions of a positive nature? We're you perfectly calm during or after the 5-1 Cup Final for example, so that you didn't further upset the players performances on that day?

Emotions are heightened at the football obviously, and I don't think there can be any firm rules on what is or isn't acceptable.

Of course folk are going to shout stuff at a match and vent their displeasure.

I'm talking about specific continued abuse of individual players which seem to start before a player has even kicked a ball.
The guys around me looked like they had lost the plot.

[MWHIBBIES]

Aye, It's the fans fault again for another awful performance.

The standards at Hibs need to rise. The acceptance of mediocrity is a reason why we'll always get that, until a better mentality is installed at the club.

Do you actually believe this rubbish?

[Just Alf]

Does it happen in Basketball, Cricket, Rugby, Tennis, Ice Hockey etc.

It seems to be a football thing. But I've been to games in other countries where it doesn't seem to happen.Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'll do a grump and moan if there a mistake or crap play.... I keep my venting, shouting, booing and even the odd sweary word (sorry!) for the other team, their fans and the ref/linesman though.

After that I'm perfectly chilled, maybe the few pints helps :greengrin

[Keith_M]

I tend to groan at the game when a player does something stupid, or we're playing poorly, but have never seen the point of consciously abusing our players or booing.

Yes, it's an 'atmosphere', but it's not one that's going to encourage the team

[Eyrie]

I assume that those who want to yell abuse at players for 90 minutes would be fine with their own bosses/customers/passers by treating them like that at work?

[The dalmeny]

Is this acceptable?

https://twitter.com/days_scottish/status/1485001592311103494?t=1EzWMOah99bvcbCFXKEpgQ&s=19

[McD]

Football fans are full of passion, desperate to see their team and their players flourish and succeed, frustrations are inevitable

for me though, there’s a sliding scale of how that comes out. Shouting ‘aww ffs’ at a mistake, or commenting that so-and-so is playing rubbish to your mate, isn't close to screaming dogs abuse at individuals, or telling them eff off, and I’ve yet to see anyone get better from being treated that way.

[hibee]

Is this acceptable?

https://twitter.com/days_scottish/status/1485001592311103494?t=1EzWMOah99bvcbCFXKEpgQ&s=19

Some of them have short memories after what they’ve done in cups recently but there’s plenty supportive supporters in that shot too.

Well done to Liam Craig for making sure they all got in without anything else kicking off.

[matty_f]

Football fans are full of passion, desperate to see their team and their players flourish and succeed, frustrations are inevitable

for me though, there’s a sliding scale of how that comes out. Shouting ‘aww ffs’ at a mistake, or commenting that so-and-so is playing rubbish to your mate, isn't close to screaming dogs abuse at individuals, or telling them eff off, and I’ve yet to see anyone get better from being treated that way.

:agree:

I understand the emotions with football and we all invest a lot into the fortunes of the team, taking wins and losses personally and you can see how people lose their rag to a degree, but the vast majority of us are able to control ourselves and know that abusing players isn’t really doing anyone any good.

I never understand, though, how people can have such an intense dislike for people they are there to SUPPORT. The players are on our side, there’s not one of them goes onto the pitch looking to let us down or make mistakes. Get behind them, don’t bring them down.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Some folks can be told and reminded of the negative impact and yet still persist.

We often hear about confidence players. I’m surprised there has not been studies to illustrate to those maintaing their stance despite it all of the absolute error of their ways.

One direct example which fell of deaf ears was Yogis please regarding Nish (one of the highest scorers in the SP(F)L at the time.

Maybe if the persistent so-called Boo-boys looked at why they vent their spleens in that matter they might give it further consideration what’s at the root of it for them as clearly the impact it has on others is seemingly lost on them.
(not just the players, but their families but other fellow supporters including kids wondering what the heck is going on).