The next Conservative leader

[Hibbyradge]

We all wondered what Dom was holding over Johnson's head during Eyetestgate so now we know.

The current buffoon will be gone soon, the pictures of Queenie mourning on her own must loosen the last fingernail he is using to cling to power and it wouldn't surprise me if he resigns this weekend.

He was being tolerated as a useful idiot during the pandemic and his imminent departure wil be a bit premature for their liking. Hundreds of people are dying every day, the NHS is drowning, and the economic shock is approaching fast.

It's a far from ideal time to take the helm, (it might have have been better giving it to a hung parliament or even Labour for a term) but someone will have the ego to take it on.

Who do you think will come forward?

[Northernhibee]

Sunak, Gove, Raab, Truss, Hunt and Dorries I reckon.

[heretoday]

Sunak, Gove, Raab, Truss, Hunt and Dorries I reckon.

Sunak is the brains but I can't see him bantering away with the opposition at PMQs.

Michael Gove though!

[grunt]

Sunak, Gove, Raab, Truss, Hunt and Dorries I reckon.Would be hilarious.

[hibsbollah]

No idea.
I dont think he will move to the Tory party, but Farage and his Reform party pals will have a role to play somewhere. Good article here https://unherd.com/2022/01/will-boris-survive-a-revolt-on-the-right/

[Northernhibee]

Sunak is the brains but I can't see him bantering away with the opposition at PMQs.

Michael Gove though!

Cummings is the brains I reckon. Just a question of what horse he's backing.

EDIT: and "Cummings is the brains" is terrifying because although tenacious, he ain't as half as clever as he thinks he is.

[gbhibby]

Sunak, Gove, Raab, Truss, Hunt and Dorries I reckon.
Don't rate any of them. It's picking the best of a very poor bunch. God help us.

[JeMeSouviens]

Cummings is the brains I reckon. Just a question of what horse he's backing.

EDIT: and "Cummings is the brains" is terrifying because although tenacious, he ain't as half as clever as he thinks he is.

:agree:

I think he's right to an extent about the structural problems in UK governance but his solutions are generally :rolleyes:

[JeMeSouviens]

Don't rate any of them. It's picking the best of a very poor bunch. God help us.

What's worse is that the successor will be picked exclusively by the Tory membership and will therefore appeal directly to them. God help us.

[gbhibby]

If Boris is found guilty of a criminal offence can we deport him to the land of his birth.😁

[ronaldo7]

The old ERG will have to have someone from the far right side of the party, so I'm putting my kings shilling on Andrea Leadsom to lead an attack from there, with Mark Francios, and his box full of medals to support her. Centrists will follow Sunak, and the wild cards will be the box of frogs that is Truss, and Dorries.

[Sylar]

We all wondered what Dom was holding over Johnson's head during Eyetestgate so now we know.

The current buffoon will be gone soon, the pictures of Queenie mourning on her own must loosen the last fingernail he is using to cling to power and it wouldn't surprise me if he resigns this weekend.

He was being tolerated as a useful idiot during the pandemic and his imminent departure wil be a bit premature for their liking. Hundreds of people are dying every day, the NHS is drowning, and the economic shock is approaching fast.

It's a far from ideal time to take the helm, (it might have have been better giving it to a hung parliament or even Labour for a term) but someone will have the ego to take it on.

Who do you think will come forward?

I disagree he'll be gone anytime soon - he certainly won't resign. Not in his nature.

[Skol]

I disagree he'll be gone anytime soon - he certainly won't resign. Not in his nature.

It is purely a timing thing now. he will go, but there is more bad news to come out and challenges to overcome. The Tories will keep Boris in place so he can take the blame for it all and give the new leader a clean slate on which to fight the next GE

[The Harp Awakes]

Sunak, Gove, Raab, Truss, Hunt and Dorries I reckon.

Gove, the saviour of the Union :faf: Bring it on.

[LunasBoots]

Ruth Davidson 😁

[Northernhibee]

Ruth Davidson 😁

Oddly she may be a very good choice for them. Largely untarnished by Johnson and Starmer may find it more difficult up against her.

Her being a very good choice for them makes the chances of it ultimately zero.

[JeMeSouviens]

Oddly she may be a very good choice for them. Largely untarnished by Johnson and Starmer may find it more difficult up against her.

Her being a very good choice for them makes the chances of it ultimately zero.

Absolutely zero as she's not an MP?

[lapsedhibee]

Absolutely zero as she's not an MP?

They can get round that. Pop some extremely-safe-seat fogey off to the Lords and by-elect her in (some additional good dead cats would be needed at the moment, of course).

[overdrive]

They can get round that. Pop some extremely-safe-seat fogey off to the Lords and by-elect her in (some additional good dead cats would be needed at the moment, of course).

She would also need to renounce her Baroness-ship (I've no idea what the formal word for that is) and seat in the Lords.

[lapsedhibee]

She would also need to renounce her Baroness-ship (I've no idea what the formal word for that is) and seat in the Lords.

She could give up her seat in the Lords to spend more time with her family, and then a month later miraculously find that she has plenty of time for politics after all. That's her usual MO for getting out of stuff she wants out of, I think.

[weecounty hibby]

no matter whon it is they will be a ****. Just depends where they are in the **** scale. Tories are only interested in self gain or self preservation. The fact that we are talking about some of them as potential PMs just because theyre nit as bad as Johnstone or Patel or Truss shiws how low they have sunk.

[Hibrandenburg]

She would also need to renounce her Baroness-ship (I've no idea what the formal word for that is) and seat in the Lords.

How many Tory scottish born prime ministers has the UK had?

[hibsbollah]

How many Tory scottish born prime ministers has the UK had?

Blair
Douglas Home-edit Nope, born to scots parents in london
Brown i suppose

[Hibrandenburg]

Blair
Douglas Home
Brown i suppose

Tories? Home was the only one I know off the top of my head.

[JeMeSouviens]

Blair
Douglas Home
Brown i suppose

Marking Brown as a Tory is a tad harsh, Shirley?

Bonar Law is another real one I think.

Edit after google: D H was born in London and B L in Canada, so both ruled out.

[Hibrandenburg]

Marking Brown as a Tory is a tad harsh, Shirley?

Bonar Law is another real one I think.

Edit after google: D H was born in London and B L in Canada, so both ruled out.

Just saw that about DH. I guess I'm a bit like Michael Gove and can't imagine a Tory PM with a Scottish accent. :wink:

[hibsbollah]

Tories?


:greengrin

google knows everything. There have been three, the most recent was Balfour born in East Lothian and was PM in 1902.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/09/10/7-scottish-born-british-prime-ministers/

[Hibrandenburg]

Labour. Edit: Numbnuts removed the quoted post :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Just saw that about DH. I guess I'm a bit like Michael Gove and can't imagine a Tory PM with a Scottish accent. :wink:

So the answer seems to be 2:

John Stuart, the Earl of Bute 1762-63, lasted less than a year.
Arthur Balfour, 1902-05, who represented Manchester East.

[hibsbollah]

So the answer seems to be 2:

John Stuart, the Earl of Bute 1762-63, lasted less than a year.
Arthur Balfour, 1902-05, who represented Manchester East.

Also Hamilton-Gordon, another 19th century Tory aristocrat. 3.

[Hibrandenburg]

Also Hamilton-Gordon, another 19th century Tory aristocrat. 3.

Just read he was a Peelite rather than a Tory, cut from the same cloth I suppose.

[Paul1642]

Ruth Davidson 😁

I think that would actually be a great decision for the party, therefore it’s defiantly not going to happen.

[hibsbollah]

Just read he was a Peelite rather than a Tory, cut from the same cloth I suppose.

I think that counts, still a faction of the Tory party at that time.

What am i talking about, its your question, there are no rules here:greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

Also Hamilton-Gordon, another 19th century Tory aristocrat. 3.

Not a Tory, I think? I presumed you were still including old Tone. :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Not a Tory, I think? I presumed you were still including old Tone. :greengrin

See above post, ive fallen down a pedantic rabbithole here.

[Ozyhibby]

Brown is likely to be the last, if not ever, then for a very long time. Apart from the fact that Scotland doesn’t send many MP’s from unionist parties, there is also the difficulty of English voters not being keen on having a PM making laws for them that don’t affect his own constituents.
Best bet is a Scot representing an English constituency. Gove an outside bet?


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[Hibrandenburg]

I think that counts, still a faction of the Tory party at that time.

What am i talking about, its your question, there are no rules here:greengrin

:greengrin I had no idea what the Peelites stood for until I googled it, seems they morphed into the Liberal Party like most dissident groups.

[Hibrandenburg]

See above post, ive fallen down a pedantic rabbithole here.

:faf: Sorry

[Hibbyradge]

blair
douglas home-edit nope, born to scots parents in london
brown i suppose

cba.

[gbhibby]

He will need to become an MP though, Douglas Ross
He could then give Rees-Mogg a lightweight boot up the arse when showing him the exit door.

[CropleyWasGod]

He will need to become an MP though, Douglas Ross
He could then give Rees-Mogg a lightweight boot up the arse when showing him the exit door.

He is one, no?

[Berwickhibby]

He is one, no?

Who cares who is the next Tory leader… I won’t be voting for him/her

[Northernhibee]

Poll out suggesting Sunak would only be three points behind if he was PM.

Interestingly both Gove and Truss would be further behind than Johnson.

[gbhibby]

He is one, no?
Yes I think he is still an MP I thought he had given that up
So he could go for it.

[majorhibs]

How, morally, after this greed graft lies can any of you even contemplate the possibility of another tory leader? Seriously though? Labours a busted flush right enough but you can’t even blame Corbyn no more. SNP have banned us out of they’re future.
Starmers answer to nothing! As his party just now! No answers but how in the name of sanity could these entitled thieves called torys even exist! That billions track & trace? Us to them?

[Northernhibee]

How, morally, after this greed graft lies can any of you even contemplate the possibility of another tory leader? Seriously though?

I’m not sure, but it’ll probably because there will be another one.

[majorhibs]

I’m not sure, but it’ll probably because there will be another one.

I’ve nae answers, apart fi engerlund, but to actual go & vote for something as stomach turning & basically mirthfully lying because they know it’s free & because the electorate won’t go the other way- stomach turning X just plenty!

[Bostonhibby]

Poll out suggesting Sunak would only be three points behind if he was PM.

Interestingly both Gove and Truss would be further behind than Johnson.It was probably Truss who added up the numbers on this one though.

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[Pretty Boy]

Poll out suggesting Sunak would only be three points behind if he was PM.

Interestingly both Gove and Truss would be further behind than Johnson.

I think Gove is quite possibly the only Tory who would be even less popular in Scotland than Johnson.

If Angela Rayner gets grief for speaking with her real accent, where do you even start with Gove and that monstrosity he puts on?

[Bostonhibby]

Whilst I think there's way too much dirt held on each other within the cabinet for there to be any desire for actual change, maybe a Nigel Farage, David Icke or George Galloway appointment would be the sort of figure they could all instantly pretend to fall in love with.

Would definitely keep up all the good work Bozo was doing.

Could Trump claim UK citizenship?

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[superfurryhibby]

Does it actually make any difference?

If they get someone with slicker presentation, it will just make it more likely that the win the next election.

The people of England want a right wing government. They could put a chimp up there and as long as it’s swathed in a Union Jack, the Tories will be fine.

Opinions polls don’t win elections, ask Neil Kinnock.

[Bostonhibby]

Does it actually make any difference?

If they get someone with slicker presentation, it will just make it more likely that the win the next election.

The people of England want a right wing government. They could put a chimp up there and as long as it’s swathed in a Union Jack, the Tories will be fine.

Opinions polls don’t win elections, ask Neil Kinnock.No, it's a good point.

In some constituencies they could put up an old chest of drawers or a horse as a candidate and so long as it has a blue rosette and promises to Get Something or Other Topical Done they're on the gravy train.

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[Pretty Boy]

No, it's a good point.

In some constituencies they could put up an old chest of drawers or a horse as a candidate and so long as it has a blue rosette and promises to Get Something or Other Topical Done they're on the gravy train.

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People said that about Labour in Scotland for decades.

I think people often underestimate the left wing movement in England. Jeremy Corbyn gained the best part of 13M votes in 2017 and even in the disaster that was 2019 over 10M. That was comparable to the best Blair ever achieved and significantly better than the fag end of New Labour in 05 and 10. The issue is that whilst Corbyn mobilised a new demographic of voters, he also mobilised his opposition to get out and vote against the bogey man as well.

The challenge facing Labour and the left in general for some time has been that said support is concentrated in a relatively small number of areas and that doesn't lend itself to success in a FPTP election. They also have never really managed to bridge the gap between the 'intellectual' lefties and the new sub working class that exists in areas of extreme deprivation.

I find the generalisation that England is full of extreme right wing nut jobs lazy. There are more people disaffected with the incumbent government and their policies than there are people who support it. My partners dad lives in one of the safest Tory seats in the country (and I'm guessing you are in or near the same one) and a more ferociously left wing guy you couldn't meet.

[Bostonhibby]

People said that about Labour in Scotland for decades.

I think people often underestimate the left wing movement in England. Jeremy Corbyn gained the best part of 13M votes in 2017 and even in the disaster that was 2019 over 10M. That was comparable to the best Blair ever achieved and significantly better than the fag end of New Labour in 05 and 10. The issue is that whilst Corbyn mobilised a new demographic of voters, he also mobilised his opposition to get out and vote against the bogey man as well.

The challenge facing Labour and the left in general for some time has been that said support is concentrated in a relatively small number of areas and that doesn't lend itself to success in a FPTP election. They also have never really managed to bridge the gap between the 'intellectual' lefties and the new sub working class that exists in areas of extreme deprivation.

I find the generalisation that England is full of extreme right wing nut jobs lazy. There are more people disaffected with the incumbent government and their policies than there are people who support it. My partners dad lives in one of the safest Tory seats in the country (and I'm guessing you are in or near the same one) and a more ferociously left wing guy you couldn't meet.Yeah, that's all fair comment, my response was (as often) a bit tongue in cheek. I know plenty down here who do not support the Tories and personal contacts I have locally who are Tories aren't happy with a number of aspects of the current culture, behaviour and leadership.

Sadly, my own constituency, South Holland & the Deepings probably would vote in said horse or article of furniture so long as the rosette was blue.[emoji16]

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[Ozyhibby]

People said that about Labour in Scotland for decades.

I think people often underestimate the left wing movement in England. Jeremy Corbyn gained the best part of 13M votes in 2017 and even in the disaster that was 2019 over 10M. That was comparable to the best Blair ever achieved and significantly better than the fag end of New Labour in 05 and 10. The issue is that whilst Corbyn mobilised a new demographic of voters, he also mobilised his opposition to get out and vote against the bogey man as well.

The challenge facing Labour and the left in general for some time has been that said support is concentrated in a relatively small number of areas and that doesn't lend itself to success in a FPTP election. They also have never really managed to bridge the gap between the 'intellectual' lefties and the new sub working class that exists in areas of extreme deprivation.

I find the generalisation that England is full of extreme right wing nut jobs lazy. There are more people disaffected with the incumbent government and their policies than there are people who support it. My partners dad lives in one of the safest Tory seats in the country (and I'm guessing you are in or near the same one) and a more ferociously left wing guy you couldn't meet.

Blair got more votes than Corbyn in 1997 and also did it at a time when the Lib Dems were still a force with over 5 million votes.


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[superfurryhibby]

People said that about Labour in Scotland for decades.

I think people often underestimate the left wing movement in England. Jeremy Corbyn gained the best part of 13M votes in 2017 and even in the disaster that was 2019 over 10M. That was comparable to the best Blair ever achieved and significantly better than the fag end of New Labour in 05 and 10. The issue is that whilst Corbyn mobilised a new demographic of voters, he also mobilised his opposition to get out and vote against the bogey man as well.

The challenge facing Labour and the left in general for some time has been that said support is concentrated in a relatively small number of areas and that doesn't lend itself to success in a FPTP election. They also have never really managed to bridge the gap between the 'intellectual' lefties and the new sub working class that exists in areas of extreme deprivation.

I find the generalisation that England is full of extreme right wing nut jobs lazy. There are more people disaffected with the incumbent government and their policies than there are people who support it. My partners dad lives in one of the safest Tory seats in the country (and I'm guessing you are in or near the same one) and a more ferociously left wing guy you couldn't meet.

Our Westminster electoral system is a nonsense and an affront to democracy.

However, I think you are downplaying the shift to the right in English politics. Huge swathes of traditional Labour voters have been replaced, in part due to demographics, by a new generation who have grown up in very different Britain to the one I knew. No reasonable person would say the English electorate are right wing nut jobs, although there is a significant populist nationalist ( Tory) appeal to those you describe as disaffected.

Don’t forget that Blair was elected on a centrist platform, he was hardly Nye Bevan or Tony Benn and had to ditch nearly all vestiges of Socialism before he was acceptable to people south of the border.

The rise of the SNP and demise of Labour in Scotland is complex, but it’s significantly based on the fact that Labour haven’t delivered what Scottish people wanted. Scotland kept the faith all the way through the Thatcher and Major years and Blair’s government failed to bring the changes people here had waited so long for. Then there was a wakening and a shift to an alternative approach.

I struggle to see England electing enough Labour MP’s to ever form a government again. A coalition with a resurgent Lib-Dem/ SNP/ Plaid Cymru is much more likely, but even then......

[Hibbyradge]

Who cares who is the next Tory leader… I won’t be voting for him/her

I imagine most people other than you will care given that they will automatically become prime minister.

[Bristolhibby]

Brown is likely to be the last, if not ever, then for a very long time. Apart from the fact that Scotland doesn’t send many MP’s from unionist parties, there is also the difficulty of English voters not being keen on having a PM making laws for them that don’t affect his own constituents.
Best bet is a Scot representing an English constituency. Gove an outside bet?


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Which is another nail in the Union IMHO.

An absolute mockery.

J

[Colr]

Sunak is the brains but I can't see him bantering away with the opposition at PMQs.

Michael Gove though!

Don’t think Sunak is ready. He is a rotten orator and doesn’t have much presence. His (very wealthy) family are a bit dodgy as well.

Michael Gove is interesting and is quite creative he would be a real driving force for change but that’s not really second nature to tories and he’s a bit of a marmite character. His sexuality may become an issue.

Raab is thick and the ERG would be able to work him from the back so he might be likely (God help us).

Hunt would be effective but he’s not Brexity enough.

Patel is a nasty little **** so will be in tune with the members and the character of the party as well as the ERG.

[Colr]

Cummings is the brains I reckon. Just a question of what horse he's backing.

EDIT: and "Cummings is the brains" is terrifying because although tenacious, he ain't as half as clever as he thinks he is.

Well, he was aiming to reform the civic service with Johnson and they turned No10 into a disfunctional, drunken flop house. Some brains! Guy’s a Russian asset.

[Colr]

Blair
Douglas Home-edit Nope, born to scots parents in london
Brown i suppose

Andrew Bonar Law was Scots born in Canada.

Arthur Balfour

George Hamiton Gordon (Peelite offshoot of the Tories)

john Stuart

[Sylar]

Operation Save Big Dog…this man is beyond parody!!!

[superfurryhibby]

Don’t think Sunak is ready. He is a rotten orator and doesn’t have much presence. His (very wealthy) family are a bit dodgy as well.

Michael Gove is interesting and is quite creative he would be a real driving force for change but that’s not really second nature to tories and he’s a bit of a marmite character. His sexuality may become an issue.

Raab is thick and the ERG would be able to work him from the back so he might be likely (God help us).

Hunt would be effective but he’s not Brexity enough.

Patel is a nasty little **** so will be in tune with the members and the character of the party as well as the ERG.

The only creativity I see attached to Michael Gove is his creativity with truthfulness. He’s a committed Zionist, anti NHS and has some very discredited views on history. Not sure about his sexuality, but unless he has some depraved interest in children, that should be the least of the electorates concerns. All in all a very dangerous man.