Paul McGinn

[aljo7-0]

Sorry if already posted but I see Paul McGinn has been given a 2 game ban (Celtic & Cove) for calling Beaton out. Inevitable I guess but still rubbish. On official site

[JimBHibees]

2 games fek right off that is a joke. Managers and some players regularly call out refs with nothing like that punishment.

[blackpoolhibs]

2 game ban well worth it, although i would rather he said he was a cheat other than just inept.:top marks

[Victor]

Sorry if already posted but I see Paul McGinn has been given a 2 game ban (Celtic & Cove) for calling Beaton out. Inevitable I guess but still rubbish. On official site

Shocking. Punished for telling the truth. It’s just like Saudi Arabia.

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[Sean1875]

Farcical.

[Waxy]

Joke. Punished for telling the truth.

[Northernhibee]

Inept.

[hibby rae]

It's a poor show from the authorities. Any criticism is punished. That is not the way to run an organisation. It gives the impression they can't handle criticism, and won't address issues.

McGinn didn't say anything outrageous. He basically said the performance wasn't good enough, and wasn't consistent. At the very least you would hope the authorities would consider the context of the situation e.g. just off the pitch in a cup final, emotions still very much running high.

If they continue to punish any critical comments by players and managers, there will never be an improvement.

I struggle to think of any other profession where there are no consequences for poor performance in a role (well, the Conservative government, but other than that).

[hibee-boys]

Well done Paul for speaking out, deserves a new contract for that comment alone.

[Billy Whizz]

Bad news for Hibs

[Tambo]

Two game ban for speaking the truth.

[JimBHibees]

It's a poor show from the authorities. Any criticism is punished. That is not the way to run an organisation. It gives the impression they can't handle criticism, and won't address issues.

McGinn didn't say anything outrageous. He basically said the performance wasn't good enough, and wasn't consistent. At the very least you would hope the authorities would consider the context of the situation e.g. just off the pitch in a cup final, emotions still very much running high.

If they continue to punish any critical comments by players and managers, there will never be an improvement.

I struggle to think of any other profession where there are no consequences for poor performance in a role (well, the Conservative government, but other than that).

Agree totally why two games also why not a warning or suspended sentence seems totally disproportionate

[greenginger]

I thought it was usually a fine for things like criticising refs.

Has any player actually had a ban for this before ?

[berwickhibee]

Time for our owner to stand up to this 😡

If we don't we will continue to be a soft touch.

Boils my blood the unfairness on show daily.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Ridiculous, refs are completely untouchable 😡

[Since452]

Why are referees immune to criticism? They are treated almost as if they're god like beings. Beaton had a nightmare, McGinn made his feelings known. Two game ban hahahah. Nuts.

[greenginger]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/robbie-neilson-insists-hearts-beaten-22351524

Just last month Robbie Neilson says his team was beaten by the match officials not Celtic.

Outcome - not a word from SFA

[Ronniekirk]

Bad news for Hibs

Two game ban when he has no previous for this that I am aware of seems harsh Precedent been set be interesting to see if others get this same treatment if they speak out



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[Hibbyradge]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/robbie-neilson-insists-hearts-beaten-22351524

Just last month Robbie Neilson says his team was beaten by the match officials not Celtic.

Outcome - not a word from SFA

Like it or not, that is different.

[JimBHibees]

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/robbie-neilson-insists-hearts-beaten-22351524

Just last month Robbie Neilson says his team was beaten by the match officials not Celtic.

Outcome - not a word from SFA

Yep ridiculous lack of consistency

Feels like we are in the firing line with authorities at the moment for some reason

[JimBHibees]

Like it or not, that is different.

In what way?

[greenginger]

So if Paul McGinn said there was a very inept person with a whistle on the pitch tonight, that would have been ok :greengrin

[kaimendhibs]

Like it or not, that is different.

How so?

[dastardly8]

Inept as usual from the SFA , I wonder how Alex Ferguson would fare as a manager in Scottish football now , he wouldn’t have kept his mouth shut about every game !!!!

[hibby rae]

One thing which is interesting, the League Cup is an SPFL competition, but the referees are SFA. McGinn is banned from one game in an SPFL, and one game in an SFA, competition.

How can the SFA ban a player from playing in a competition run by another governing organisation? They don't seem to have any other form of control over the those fixtures.

[JimBHibees]

One thing which is interesting, the League Cup is an SPFL competition, but the referees are SFA. McGinn is banned from one game in an SPFL, and one game in an SFA, competition.

How can the SFA ban a player from playing in a competition run by another governing organisation? They don't seem to have any other form of control over the those fixtures.

Because they are responsible for refereeing and handing out punishment

[AgentDaleCooper]

How so?

i think it's less explicit than what McGinn said. It's basically saying 'their decisions cost us the game', implying the decisions were wrong but still leaving a wee bit up to the imagination - McGinn just flamed them. I'm proud of him for doing so.

[hibby rae]

Because they are responsible for refereeing and handing out punishment

But the SPFL is owned by the 42 clubs, not the SFA. So I don't see how they have authority to punish in a league context.

Also, I imagine clubs are contractually obliged to provide members of the club to attend press conferences after finals etc?

If I'm wrong then feel free to point that out. Is it fair therefore to demand attendance and then sanction the indiviual who was compelled to be there, because you now disagree with their comments.

[Real Emerald]

He was annoyed the decisions cost us tge game, pumped up straight after a cup final defeat. A 2 game ban for this is just a typical biased attitude by the SFA, why not just fine him? It’s utterly uncalled for to punish the club with a 2 game ban for this. Disgraceful

[Radium]

At some point the PFA have to step in and ensure that a cooling off period is introduced.

Too often, honest answers to questions are punished in the immediate aftermath of a disappointing result.


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[Sir David Gray]

Disappointing but not really surprising. This was never likely to only result in a fine.

Players and managers won't get away with using words like "inept" when describing a referee even if it is true.

[Hibbyradge]

In what way?

McGinn directly called the ref inept.

The other comments don't mention the officials' competence. As far as we know, the ref may have got everything right.

He could have meant that the officials'competence beat them rather than Celtc.

I realise that's splitting hairs and highly unlikely, but that's the difference.

[Hibbyradge]

i think it's less explicit than what McGinn said. It's basically saying 'their decisions cost us the game', implying the decisions were wrong but still leaving a wee bit up to the imagination - McGinn just flamed them. I'm proud of him for doing so.

Spot on.

[hibbyfraelibby]

Hows about a big banner with a 5 letter word on it displayed at every home game Cheatin Beaton officiates at...and if Ron is up for it the word displayed on the big screens

[greenginger]

McGinn directly called the ref inept.

The other comments don't mention the officials' competence. As far as we know, the ref may have got everything right.

He could have meant that the officials'competence beat them rather than Celtc.

I realise that's splitting hairs and highly unlikely, but that's the difference.


Maybe we should employ a statements coach so we can issue criticisms without landing in trouble.

[Eyrie]

It tells you everything you need to know about the standard of refereeing in Scotland that the SFA will punish an honest evaluation of an inept performance but not the inept performance itself.

[Hibbyradge]

Maybe we should employ a statements coach so we can issue criticisms without landing in trouble.

I'd do it cheap (after tax).

[Mick O'Rourke]

Old Arthur Daly would have said
"Its a diabolical liberty"
This is not just about Paul .Its about Hibs
And it is...
Surely things have got to change
SFA and SPFL. Join the 20th Century and work your way to this century.

[southern hibby]

Is there no way he can appeal the decision? Can he not just say sorry but I want to take this further ( and if he can take it further who can he take it too? ) because as some folk have pointed out the SFA are finding him guilty for speaking the truth yet the Ref gets away Free with nothing happening to him for being cr@p.

I really hope Hibs would back him and offer to finance his appeal because if we kick up enough stink then maybe just maybe the officials may take notice and try and be as fair as they can rather than this happening to them.

GGTTH

[Viva_Palmeiras]

When it comes to his reffing the clue is in the name - with a typo.

Beaton indeed.

[gbhibby]

We've Paul McGinn
Super Paul McGinn
I don't think the SPFL understand
He is his own man
Better Ref than Beat tan
We've got Super Paul McGinn.

Ma coats on already.

[JamesHFC]

Bad news for Hibs

Missing the Celtic and Cove Rangers game won’t be too bad. A good opportunity for Clarke and Bushiri to try and make the spot theirs with McGinn and Porteous out.

[Mick O'Rourke]

In North Korea,it is an offence to be critical of Supreme Leader,Kim-Jong-Un.

In Scotland,it is an offence to be critical of football/match officials.

It appears the rules dictated by Scottish Football authorities are framed to gag/punish dissent.

I hope some of the forward thinking CEOs and club owners can infuence change.
I trust Ron and Ben were not to pleased at the punishment served on Paul.

[The dalmeny]

I would definitely be publicly commenting in advance of certain games " we'll be up against it in this game with the officiating team thats in place" or "We won't get the benefit of the doubt playing this team" or "it won't surprise us if we see some controversial moments/decisions'

[ian cruise]

In North Korea,it is an offence to be critical of Supreme Leader,Kim-Jong-Un.

In Scotland,it is an offence to be critical of football/match officials.

It appears the rules dictated by Scottish Football authorities are framed to gag/punish dissent.

I hope some of the forward thinking CEOs and club owners can infuence change.
I trust Ron and Ben were not to pleased at the punishment served on Paul.

The argument for not having referees disclose why they made decisions is so flawed, as people just make up their own answers in lieu of facts (ie supports the opposition, etc.), if you look at rugby where the ref is mic'd up there's no such discussion. Aye a ref will have a bad game and they'll face criticism but you know why they've made the call. Why football doesn't do the same I don't know.

[EdinMike]

I would just start saying “No comment” to every question. “No comment and no comment, there’s your interview, cheery bye !”

[Sergio sledge]

McGinn directly called the ref inept.

The other comments don't mention the officials' competence. As far as we know, the ref may have got everything right.

He could have meant that the officials'competence beat them rather than Celtc.

I realise that's splitting hairs and highly unlikely, but that's the difference.

Neilsen said:

"We were done by a very, very poor official."

IMHO, that's much the same thing just using the adjective "poor" instead of "inept".

[HendoDelivered]

Paul, you weren’t wrong mate.

[Hibbyradge]

Neilsen said:

"We were done by a very, very poor official."

IMHO, that's much the same thing just using the adjective "poor" instead of "inept".

He didn't say that.

He said "The disappointing thing is we didn't get beat by Celtic, we got beat by poor decisions from the officials."

That's criticising particular decisions not the referee's competence.

I know, I know...

[Franck Stanton]

The only thing Paul did wrong was not staying Heaton was a hopelessly inept, cheating idiot.
Be worth a 2 match ban from those inept West coast idiots running ( ruining ), our game.
Well said Paul, good on you. Proud of you.

[Sergio sledge]

He didn't say that.

He said "The disappointing thing is we didn't get beat by Celtic, we got beat by poor decisions from the officials."

That's criticising particular decisions not the referee's competence.

I know, I know...The quote I put in was in the article that was linked earlier, so the press are quoting him as having said that they were "done by a very, very poor official."

[Hunts]

Ian Mcall said Ref had a shocker. Difference from saying inept?

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[Hibbyradge]

The quote I put in was in the article that was linked earlier, so the press are quoting him as having said that they were "done by a very, very poor official."

I lifted that quote from the same article. Both quotes are there.

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/robbie-neilson-insists-hearts-beaten-22351524

[Hibbyradge]

Ian Mcall said Ref had a shocker. Difference from saying inept?

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It is different.

It's like saying a player had a poor game or saying the player is poor.

[Hunts]

Would he have got in bother if he said Ref had a shocker or was terrible?

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