Highway Code changes.

[greenlex]

This could get interesting next month.

https://twitter.com/polscotrpu/status/1473976268567851026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1473976268567851026%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-37547622041899847079.ampproject.net%2F211124202500 1%2Fframe.html

[CropleyWasGod]

This could get interesting next month.

https://twitter.com/polscotrpu/status/1473976268567851026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1473976268567851026%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-37547622041899847079.ampproject.net%2F211124202500 1%2Fframe.html

Thanks for that.

Cue the standard motorist v cyclist debate :greengrin

[Speedy]

H1 - I can see this creating havoc where buses and vans continue to drive like they have priority. Also cause havoc with cyclists in the middle of lanes and cars trying to overtake

H2 - don't agree with this. Think it is dangerous for pedestrian and other road users

H3 - agree this seems sensible

[lord bunberry]

This could get interesting next month.

https://twitter.com/polscotrpu/status/1473976268567851026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1473976268567851026%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-37547622041899847079.ampproject.net%2F211124202500 1%2Fframe.html
:rolleyes: Why don’t they let people use common sense anymore? There seems to be no end of government interference into peoples lives, I dread what things will be like 100 years from now. It will be a brave pedestrian that walks across a road expecting the traffic to stop for them.

[brianmc]

The car v pedestrian change at a junction is a **** show waiting to happen!

[Speedy]

The car v pedestrian change at a junction is a **** show waiting to happen!

100%

If it's not cars driving into pedestrians it'll be cars ramming into the stopped car or people cutting out into traaffic on the 2nd lane.

[Killiehibbie]

Am I as a driver of a vehicle bigger than a car meant to give way to all cars?
Driver of a car who pulled out of side street onto wrong side of road to avoid parked cars seemed to think so when she nearly drove head on into me.

[gbhibby]

Need to teach pedestrians the Green Cross Code. Cyclists also should have to pass a test as some are a danger to themselves and other road users.

[degenerated]

This could get interesting next month.

https://twitter.com/polscotrpu/status/1473976268567851026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1473976268567851026%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-37547622041899847079.ampproject.net%2F211124202500 1%2Fframe.htmlThat's patently incorrect, motorcyclists are top of the hierarchical tree. Fact. :greengrin

[danhibees1875]

H3 seems sensible... I'm not even entirely sure what the change is - not cutting across cyclists and horses seems like it's already a thing.

H2 seems unnecessary and potentially quite dangerous.

H1 I don't really understand. Where/when does the hierarchy apply?

[Jack]

Will this apply to cyclists on the pavement or will they still be exempt from regulation?

Same question for skate boards and [electric] scooters.

[Sir David Gray]

H2 is mental in my opinion and I believe will lead to deaths/injuries of pedestrians which wouldn't have occurred under the old rule.

The road is primarily for vehicles and pedestrians who are crossing the road should be waiting until it's safe to cross before attempting to do so.

[speedy_gonzales]

Re H2, all that has changed is cars/vehicles should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross at a junction that you are approaching or leaving from.
It's already the case that if a pedestrian is already crossing then they already have assumed priority.
Re it being more dangerous, we cannae just go about skittling folk because they're on the road and if the change means we must give way to those wanting to cross, then that's in our control to stop, it's not less safer for the pedestrian but I can certainly see a few folk getting rear ended for stopping for no reason.

[Scouse Hibee]

I’ll continue to drive straight at smart erses who see you coming then deliberately start walking slow as if they are some kind of hard man. They don’t half ***** themselves when the realise you don’t give a **** 😂

[007]

Re H2, all that has changed is cars/vehicles should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross at a junction that you are approaching or leaving from.
It's already the case that if a pedestrian is already crossing then they already have assumed priority.
Re it being more dangerous, we cannae just go about skittling folk because they're on the road and if the change means we must give way to those wanting to cross, then that's in our control to stop, it's not less safer for the pedestrian but I can certainly see a few folk getting rear ended for stopping for no reason.

Only if you are turning, not if you are going straight ahead.

It's all just ridiculous, H1 and H2 are dangerous, H3 is what everyone does anyway.

Doesn't the already crossing priority just now only apply at zebra crossings (that's what H2 seems to imply).

What if someone is just hanging about on a street corner? That could cause a huge traffic jam. 🤔

[Hibrandenburg]

Re H2, all that has changed is cars/vehicles should give way to pedestrians waiting to cross at a junction that you are approaching or leaving from.
It's already the case that if a pedestrian is already crossing then they already have assumed priority.
Re it being more dangerous, we cannae just go about skittling folk because they're on the road and if the change means we must give way to those wanting to cross, then that's in our control to stop, it's not less safer for the pedestrian but I can certainly see a few folk getting rear ended for stopping for no reason.

H2 has been a law in Germany since at least I got here back in the early 80's. From my perspective it's definitely an improvement on letting road users assume they can whip round corners without considering there might be pedestrians already crossing. It's second nature for me to be observant on the approach to leaving a main road to turn into a side street. I think it will save lives, especially amongst young children.

[Since90+2]

I’ll continue to drive straight at smart erses who see you coming then deliberately start walking slow as if they are some kind of hard man. They don’t half ***** themselves when the realise you don’t give a **** 😂

What a sad post. Seriously, get a grip.

[Colr]

About bloody time!

[speedy_gonzales]

Only if you are turning, not if you are going straight ahead.

Unsure where you're getting the straight ahead thing. The infographics I've seen all seem to be around junctions.



It's all just ridiculous, H1 and H2 are dangerous, H3 is what everyone does anyway.

Not everyone, that's a big part of the problem.



Doesn't the already crossing priority just now only apply at zebra crossings (that's what H2 seems to imply).

Nope. Rule 170 of the current Highway Code, "watch out for pedestrians crossing a road into which you are turning. If they have started to cross they have priority, so give way".
Another part of the problem is drivers not staying up to date with the Highway Code once they pass their tests.



What if someone is just hanging about on a street corner? That could cause a huge traffic jam. 🤔

I'd like to think the average driver can work out through basic observation if someone is waiting to cross or hanging about. But yeah, some drivers out there will find it difficult.

[Scouse Hibee]

What a sad post. Seriously, get a grip.

Thank you.

[JeMeSouviens]

There's much more detail in the the text changes in the actual code:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1037306/table-of-change-to-the-highway-code.pdf

[Crunchie]

Need to teach pedestrians the Green Cross Code. Cyclists also should have to pass a test as some are a danger to themselves and other road users.
We really need to teach drivers to obey the 20mph speed limits in cities and lay off their mobile phones. I agree 100% with the cyclist comment.

[Crunchie]

What a sad post. Seriously, get a grip.
:agree:

[gbhibby]

We really need to teach drivers to obey the 20mph speed limits in cities and lay off their mobile phones. I agree 100% with the cyclist comment.
Another annoying thing that some drivers do is eating drinking and smoking whilst driving. Does my head in when I see it. Worst culprits are so called professional drivers taxi drivers, lorry drivers and white van man.

[Scouse Hibee]

:agree:

😂

[Crunchie]

Another annoying thing that some drivers do is eating drinking and smoking whilst driving. Does my head in when I see it. Worst culprits are so called professional drivers taxi drivers, lorry drivers and white van man.
:agree: I saw a guy using an electric razor in the traffic crawling up Leith Walk last week, I've also seen women putting make up on. We definitely have a new breed of motorist out there.

Both in their early 20's I'd say.

[McSwanky]

:agree: I saw a guy using an electric razor in the traffic crawling up Leith Walk last week, I've also seen women putting make up on. We definitely have a new breed of motorist out there.

Both in their early 20's I'd say.

Roll on driverless cars!

[Hibrandenburg]

:agree: I saw a guy using an electric razor in the traffic crawling up Leith Walk last week, I've also seen women putting make up on. We definitely have a new breed of motorist out there.

Both in their early 20's I'd say.

We also have a new breed of cars that are practically fully automatic apart from the need to touch the steering wheel occasionally.

[Tobias Funke]

They should concentrate on educating folk on how to deal with roundabouts correctly.

[Crunchie]

We also have a new breed of cars that are practically fully automatic apart from the need to touch the steering wheel occasionally.
Which in turn has led to apathy beyond belief.

[AFKA5814_Hibs]

H2 is mental in my opinion and I believe will lead to deaths/injuries of pedestrians which wouldn't have occurred under the old rule.

The road is primarily for vehicles and pedestrians who are crossing the road should be waiting until it's safe to cross before attempting to do so.

Yep, don't see the point in this at all. Like most people, I am a driver, but also a pedestrian. I walk across a road when it's clear, I wouldn't expect to cross a road when a car is turning at a junction towards me. It's going to cause so much confusion amongst drivers and pedestrians and will undoubtedly result in accidents that wouldn't have happened otherwise.

[Ozyhibby]

The new rules seem sensible enough to me but it would be good if they let everyone know? Surely there should be adverts on TV, social media etc informing people of the changes? This is the first I’ve heard of it.


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[Coach Jon]

It should be an offence for pedestrians to use their mobile phones when crossing the road. Lost count of the amount of times someone walks out onto the road whilst engrossed in their smart phones.

[Keith_M]

I try to drive carefully and considerately anyway, so I don't really see this affecting me much. or most other drivers.

[Hibbyradge]

I’ll continue to drive straight at smart erses who see you coming then deliberately start walking slow as if they are some kind of hard man. They don’t half ***** themselves when the realise you don’t give a **** 😂

I'll visit you in Saughton.

[Scouse Hibee]

I'll visit you in Saughton.

Cheers, bring me a carry out from Winstons 🍻

[Moulin Yarns]

What if someone is just hanging about on a street corner? That could cause a huge traffic jam. 🤔

Depends on whether they are looking for a 'client'



Cousin Daisy's favourite sport was standing on street corners,
With considerable ease,
she contracted a disease,
Notwithstanding

[danhibees1875]

Depends on whether they are looking for a 'client'



Cousin Daisy's favourite sport was standing on street corners,
With considerable ease,
she contracted a disease,
Notwithstanding

Next time you're caught kerb crawling you can just say you were preparing to give way to pedestrians. :aok:

[gbhibby]

It should be an offence for pedestrians to use their mobile phones when crossing the road. Lost count of the amount of times someone walks out onto the road whilst engrossed in their smart phones.
Unfortunately pedestrians can't multitask.

[heretoday]

Take your seats for the great motorists v pedestrians v cyclists tournament!

[overdrive]

Next time you're caught kerb crawling you can just say you were preparing to give way to pedestrians. :aok:

I was once pulled over and accused of kerb crawling by the police at the corner of Constitution Street and Baltic Street after a late shift when I worked at the cinema at Ocean Terminal.

Police: “Why have you pulled in with your indicators on, at this time of night in an area known for prostitutes?”

Me pointing at the red traffic light and showing them my work uniform: “because I’ve not pulled in, I’m waiting at the red light to turn left to go home after my shift at work”

Police: “oh, erm I’m sorry, on your way, it’s turned green”

[Hibee87]

I was once pulled over and accused of kerb crawling by the police at the corner of Constitution Street and Baltic Street after a late shift when I worked at the cinema at Ocean Terminal.

Police: “Why have you pulled in with your indicators on, at this time of night in an area known for prostitutes?”

Me pointing at the red traffic light and showing them my work uniform: “because I’ve not pulled in, I’m waiting at the red light to turn left to go home after my shift at work”

Police: “oh, erm I’m sorry, on your way, it’s turned green”

Haha I got pulled for turning left off salamander street onto salamander place.
When the bairn was born he used to cry at night and driving in the car was a good way to get him off to sleep. me and the Mrs used to drive to the 24 hr McDonald's at seafield to grab a sundae.
It was pretty heavy rain and about half 12 1am so I was going slow, turned left and blue lights out of nowhere behind me. The police took one look in the window, seen our ice creams and the bairn in the back and nodded his understanding and waved us on.

[theonlywayisup]

£200 fine and six points on your licence if you fail to abide by the rules. You can just see how this is going to cause traffic jams. In the top example below, if you've got a constant stream of pedestrians who now have right of way, the cars turning left have no option but to wait until there is a gap. It's going to be chaos. In the second example with the cyclists, you just know you're going to get those that will cycle in the middle of the road at 10 mph. The net result is huge tailbacks blocking our roads.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAT84IR.img?h=745&w=1119&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

[Paul1642]

£200 fine and six points on your licence if you fail to abide by the rules. You can just see how this is going to cause traffic jams. In the top example below, if you've got a constant stream of pedestrians who now have right of way, the cars turning left have no option but to wait until there is a gap. It's going to be chaos. In the second example with the cyclists, you just know you're going to get those that will cycle in the middle of the road at 10 mph. The net result is huge tailbacks blocking our roads.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAT84IR.img?h=745&w=1119&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f

Complete agree. I use all three methods of transport and can’t see this being beneficial to anyone really. It’s proper cycle lane infrastructure and roads that’s aren’t full of potholes that are needed. Not rule changes.

As for the fine and points where did you see that. I have always believed the Highway Code to be guidance only unless backed up by the Road Traffic act (which most of the impotent rules are).

[lapsedhibee]

Complete agree. I use all three methods of transport and can’t see this being beneficial to anyone really. It’s proper cycle lane infrastructure and roads that’s aren’t full of potholes that are needed. Not rule changes.

:agree:

[danhibees1875]

Perhaps a silly question regarding the junction one...

The pictures demonstrate a car pulling off the main road and down a side street at a junction for when pedestrians are to have right of way. Does it also work the other way, when the car is pulling out from a junction and on to the main road?

[Moulin Yarns]

For anyone who has driven in a tourist town like pitlochry it's always been the pedestrian who has right of way at junctions, the middle of the road and 5 metres either side of a pedestrian crossing when the lights are green!

Tourists are exempt from the highway code. 🙄

[Sir David Gray]

Complete agree. I use all three methods of transport and can’t see this being beneficial to anyone really. It’s proper cycle lane infrastructure and roads that’s aren’t full of potholes that are needed. Not rule changes.

As for the fine and points where did you see that. I have always believed the Highway Code to be guidance only unless backed up by the Road Traffic act (which most of the impotent rules are).

The new rules are only guidance but if an accident happens as a result of the guidance not being followed the Highway Code can be referred to in court to establish liability.

[Just Alf]

£200 fine and six points on your licence if you fail to abide by the rules. You can just see how this is going to cause traffic jams. In the top example below, if you've got a constant stream of pedestrians who now have right of way, the cars turning left have no option but to wait until there is a gap. It's going to be chaos. In the second example with the cyclists, you just know you're going to get those that will cycle in the middle of the road at 10 mph. The net result is huge tailbacks blocking our roads.

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAT84IR.img?h=745&w=1119&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=fI hate how the cycling in the middle of the lane always seems to miss out the critical 2nd bit.

......If its quiet to make you more visible

Once there's a car up yer erkie then there's no need to block traffic behind and you can move over allowing traffic to pass, there's guidance on distances for that as well.

You just KNOW some pillocks are going to cherry pick the bit of the guidelines they want and ignore others. (Bikes hogging lanes and drivers passing too close as examples)

[stu in nottingham]

Honestly, I used to drive in Canada in large cities such as Vancouver and Edmonton under this rule of pedestrians having right of way at junctions/intersections more than twenty-five years ago. Genuinely never witnessed any problems with it. In fact it gave me a better awareness towards pedestrians generally knowing that they always have the right of way.

Most potential problems under the new rule will be caused by poor driving, lack of awareness, driving too quickly and not leaving enough space between vehicles etc.

I've been following the fortunes of a mate who lost his sight in recent times and is being trained on and is learning how to walk with a white stick. He goes out approximately three times a week and more often than not almost gets cleared out by motorists who don't/won't stop when he in the midst of crossing the road - even on crossings. And that's waving a four-foot white stick in front of him.

[Hibby70]

If there are lights and crossing signals for pedestrians do the turn left rules still apply.

I.e. if someone is waiting on the green Man do they also still get right of way. Could cause huge problems for the flow of traffic if busy junctions off that's the case.

[Berwickhibby]

The new rules are only guidance but if an accident happens as a result of the guidance not being followed the Highway Code can be referred to in court to establish liability.

Highway Code is only guidance…not applicable in court…only the Road Traffic Act legislation is applicable, however I imagine it has been updated so that prosecutions and fixed penalties can be issued.

[Sir David Gray]

Highway Code is only guidance…not applicable in court…only the Road Traffic Act legislation is applicable, however I imagine it has been updated so that prosecutions and fixed penalties can be issued.

Ah right ok - was just referring to this.

https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/

[Scouse Hibee]

I’m surprised at the coverage and outrage that these changes have received across all sources of social media. Given the standard of driving on the roads today this will make little or no difference to most drivers.

[Speedy]

I’m surprised at the coverage and outrage that these changes have received across all sources of social media. Given the standard of driving on the roads today this will make little or no difference to most drivers.

That's the biggest problem though.

Pedestrians who expect cars to stop will be met with drivers who don't stop (or actively drive more aggresively).

Cars who do stop will be rammed by drivers behind them who aren't paying attention.

[Rumble de Thump]

Unless there are traffic lights, a zebra crossing etc then a junction is the most dangerous place for a pedestrian to attempt to cross the road. Walk a bit further down the street and cross where you have a good view of any traffic. I thought that's what most people who don't want to be run over did.

[Killiehibbie]

That's the biggest problem though.

Pedestrians who expect cars to stop will be met with drivers who don't stop (or actively drive more aggresively).

Cars who do stop will be rammed by drivers behind them who aren't paying attention.
Saw a pedestrian half way across the road and he had to run or he was getting run over by an hgv who certainly wasn't giving way.
HGV was turning off main road.

[Scouse Hibee]

That's the biggest problem though.

Pedestrians who expect cars to stop will be met with drivers who don't stop (or actively drive more aggresively).

Cars who do stop will be rammed by drivers behind them who aren't paying attention.

Don’t see that happening at all, pedestrians will behave as they normally do, as I said previously a big fuss about nothing in my opinion.

[Bristolhibby]

I stopped to let a school kid cross the road I was turning into this morning.

Nobody shunted me in the back.

Did have to think quickly mind.

J

[lord bunberry]

Don’t see that happening at all, pedestrians will behave as they normally do, as I said previously a big fuss about nothing in my opinion.
I agree. I won’t be crossing any roads until the traffic has cleared or stopped. I don’t care what the law says, being correct in the eyes of the law won’t pay the bills if I’m off work after being hit by a car. Common sense is what you need to use, not the Highway Code.

[Moulin Yarns]

Unless there are traffic lights, a zebra crossing etc then a junction is the most dangerous place for a pedestrian to attempt to cross the road. Walk a bit further down the street and cross where you have a good view of any traffic. I thought that's what most people who don't want to be run over did.

If junctions are so dangerous why do local authorities install dropped kerbs and tactile paving so that less able people can cross at junctions?

[Moulin Yarns]

An interesting view from guide dogs training.



Can I please point out that those of us working Assistance Dogs and Guide dogs have our dogs trained to wait at kerbs until NO cars are present. Our dogs won't cross with us until cars drive on past. This new rule means drivers will stop and try to wave us across. Please be aware we won't cross the road and you will only hold us up. Best to drive on past if u see a vested working dog knowing this is more helpful to us. Thank you.

[danhibees1875]

If junctions are so dangerous why do local authorities install dropped kerbs and tactile paving so that less able people can cross at junctions?

Presumably for convenience so people can continue walking down the path they're on without a detour to a safer crossing point.

I don't remember all of the green cross code, but I think junctions are bound to be the least safe (note: avoiding "dangerous") place safe to cross given the multiple directions involved and the chance of cars changing direction/speed whilst the driver is mid-maneuver.

I just don't understand the need for change really. But suspect most will just use common sense and continue as normal anyway. I know I stopped at junctions while walking on Saturday and Monday and cars went passed me without giving way and I'm not about to assume they will.

[Moulin Yarns]

Presumably for convenience so people can continue walking down the path they're on without a detour to a safer crossing point.

I don't remember all of the green cross code, but I think junctions are bound to be the least safe (note: avoiding "dangerous") place safe to cross given the multiple directions involved and the chance of cars changing direction/speed whilst the driver is mid-maneuver.

I just don't understand the need for change really. But suspect most will just use common sense and continue as normal anyway. I know I stopped at junctions while walking on Saturday and Monday and cars went passed me without giving way and I'm not about to assume they will.

Interesting analysis here.

https://www.trafficchoices.co.uk/somerset/traffic-schemes/dropped-kerbs.shtml



Form a users perspective..

https://www.transportforall.org.uk/news/dropped-kerbs-making-life-easy-at-road-junctions/


FWIW cars shouldn't be going round a junction that fast that they can't stop for someone crossing, and the driver should be paying attention to what is around them.

[heretoday]

I'd have thought a new law requiring cyclists to wear high viz clothing and helmets would have been of more use than these latest regulations which won't change anything much.

[Moulin Yarns]

I'd have thought a new law requiring cyclists to wear high viz clothing and helmets would have been of more use than these latest regulations which won't change anything much.

All covered in the highway code, rule 59.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/rules-for-cyclists-59-to-82

[Speedy]

Interesting analysis here.

https://www.trafficchoices.co.uk/somerset/traffic-schemes/dropped-kerbs.shtml



Form a users perspective..

https://www.transportforall.org.uk/news/dropped-kerbs-making-life-easy-at-road-junctions/


FWIW cars shouldn't be going round a junction that fast that they can't stop for someone crossing, and the driver should be paying attention to what is around them.

Shouldn't and should won't be any consolation to the people injured in collisions. It's won't/will that matters.

[danhibees1875]

Interesting analysis here.

https://www.trafficchoices.co.uk/somerset/traffic-schemes/dropped-kerbs.shtml



Form a users perspective..

https://www.transportforall.org.uk/news/dropped-kerbs-making-life-easy-at-road-junctions/


FWIW cars shouldn't be going round a junction that fast that they can't stop for someone crossing, and the driver should be paying attention to what is around them.

That just seems to talk about dropped kerbs rather than their position at junctions, unless I'm missing something.

I think they're positioned there for convenience as opposed to it being the safest place to cross, it must be the least safe place.

Trying to go down a junction by accelerating through a gap in the traffic coming the other way on a dark night and the last thing you need is a pedestrian who has wondered up from behind you waltzing across from your blind spot as you make your move.
I'm sure the car would be able to stop, and the cars coming in the traffic would all be able to stop if required. But it would be easier avoided by not giving pedestrians an unnecessary right of way.

Regardless I think most people aren't going to go about crossing recklessly just because they're now given right of way, so I suspect it's just something that'll be largely ignored.

[Moulin Yarns]

That just seems to talk about dropped kerbs rather than their position at junctions, unless I'm missing something.



Did you even read the second link?

Dropped kerbs - making life easy at junctions 🤔

[danhibees1875]

Did you even read the second link?

Dropped kerbs - making life easy at junctions 🤔

I only skimmed it because it looked as irrelevant as the first one.

I get why dropped kerbs are good for users, and most convenient at junctions... But nothing there takes away from junctions being the least safe place to cross.

Feel free to correct me if it is buried in there somewhere.

Edit: Sorry, having read that back it's came across as rather grumpy! Not my intention. :greengrin

[Keith_M]

I'd have thought a new law requiring cyclists to wear high viz clothing and helmets would have been of more use than these latest regulations which won't change anything much.


Or maybe one that tells them that, when cycling in large groups to not take up the whole lane and cause drivers to either wait forever behind them or risk life and limb trying to overtake on a bend.

Which is exactly what I encountered on the coastal route between Longniddry and Gullane at the weekend.

[lapsedhibee]

Or maybe one that tells them that, when cycling in large groups to not take up the whole lane and cause drivers to either wait forever behind them or risk life and limb trying to overtake on a bend.

Which is exactly what I encountered on the coastal route between Longniddry and Gullane at the weekend.

Are you writing this from behind the wheel of a vehicle, or did you do the suicidal overtaking? :confused:

[MKHIBEE]

Or maybe one that tells them that, when cycling in large groups to not take up the whole lane and cause drivers to either wait forever behind them or risk life and limb trying to overtake on a bend.

Which is exactly what I encountered on the coastal route between Longniddry and Gullane at the weekend.

Hardly the cyclists fault if a driver is that stupid

[Just Alf]

Not sure if this should be on the peeve thread....

On the road in the park from holyrood to the commy pool last night, we were stuck behind a cyclist half the way up.

1. There's a cycle lane
2 the code expressly states you've to travel along the middle of the lane IF ITS QUIET SO TRAFFIC CAN SPOT YOU EASIER. You move over to the inside as normal if that's not required (e.g 10 cars travelling at 10 -15 miles an hour right behind you and having not mown you down have very likely spotted you at this point)
3. The middle of the lane, not near the centre of the road near the white line preventing a safe overtake to give the cyclist decent room.

Oh and it's bound to have something about have a working back light in the dark, they did have one of those great fluorescent jackets that lights up white when headlights hit it though.

And folks wonder why cyclists get grief

[Keith_M]

Are you writing this from behind the wheel of a vehicle, or did you do the suicidal overtaking? :confused:


Hardly the cyclists fault if a driver is that stupid


No, along with a long queue of other cars, and a bus,, we got stuck behind a large bunch of inconsiderate cyclists for about 20 minutes.



But nice attempt a a segway, guys

:aok:

[danhibees1875]

I agree, segway's on the road are hazardous.

[lapsedhibee]

No, along with a long queue of other cars, and a bus,, we got stuck behind a large bunch of inconsiderate cyclists for about 20 minutes.



But nice attempt a a segway, guys

:aok:

Realistically, how much did the incident add to your journey time? (Not 20 minutes, obvs.)

(I agree with you by the way that there are inconsiderate cyclists around, just doubting the level of inconvenience originally stated.)

[Moulin Yarns]

Twice recently I've held back at a junction. Car in front moved off and there were people waiting to cross but I have to be really clear in waving them across. Seems pedestrians aren't that clear about the new code.