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Jonnyboy
26-12-2021, 05:32 PM
For his second game in charge, Shaun Maloney baffled a few of us with his team selection which gave starting places to Wright and Stevenson. The latter raised eyebrows only because Josh Doig was also in the line-up, but it gave us the opportunity to see Josh in a more attacking role as the left wingback, knowing that Lewis was in behind him. With Doyle-Hayes declared fit, Hibs set up with a back three of Porteous, Hanlon and Stevenson, youngsters Campbell and Doyle-Hayes in central midfield and Drey Wright pushed up to support the strikers.

Hibs came out sharply at the start and Nisbet had a first minute effort that was blocked on its way to goal and moments later, Wright saw his strike drift wide of a post. The first fifteen minutes were pretty uneventful although Hibs enjoyed the bulk of possession but United struggled to get out of their own half at times. The hosts packed their defence, with Mulgrew a colossus and Hibs were finding it difficult to break through despite having the lions share of possession. A Campbell header didn’t trouble Siegrist and then the busy Hibs youngster took a dull one when Meekison crunched into the challenge, earning himself a yellow card in the process. Seconds later, Campbell fouled Meekison, but Willie Collum kept his card in his pocket.

It was all Hibs and surely only a matter of time before a goal would arrive with Hanlon and Campbell the latest to see efforts blocked. United were getting desperate now and Mochrie was the next to be booked for hacking down Cadden before Hibs finally scored the goal their play deserved. A cross from Drey Wright reached Cadden on the far edge of the eighteen yard box. Chris fired in a shot that was partially blocked with the ball falling to Boyle who struck it low towards Nisbet whereupon Kevin poked it home from close range. There was a moment of confusion as to whether Nisbet was offside but after consulting his assistant, Collum signalled the goal was good.

Hibs were playing some good stuff with short and sharp passing causing United players to be chasing shadows at times. Cadden came close after Doig created the opening for him and then a sumptuous cross from Boyle landed just behind the onrushing Wright who couldn’t get his effort on goal. Half time was approaching, and Hibs were totally dominant with both a Porteous header that was blocked and a Doyle-Hayes strike that drifted wide, coming close to doubling the lead. United trooped off at half time no doubt expecting an earful from their manager. Only Mulgrew could really hold his head high because at times it seemed like he was the only player doing his job correctly.

Thomas Courts made once change at half time, bringing on Niskanen for Freeman. I’ve no doubt he’d told his players to be braver because for the entire first half any United man in possession was hunted down until he either made a mistake or was dispossessed. The telling off almost brought an early reward when a wayward header by Stevenson allowed Clarke to surge forward only to be fouled by Hanlon who got a yellow card for the challenge. Clarke himself took the resultant free kick and tried to fool Macey by striking a low shot under the jumping Hibs wall but the big keeper got down to push the ball past his left hand post.

United did get a foothold in the game for around ten minutes but Hibs never looked like they would concede whilst at the other end, Boyle sent in a corner that Hanlon disappointingly headed wide when under no obvious pressure from his marker. Having had a decent sixty minutes, Drey Wright was replaced by Murphy whilst United replaced Mochrie with Declan Glass. Five minutes later, Nisbet got the ball at the edge of the United box and fired in a shot that was always rising and didn’t trouble Siegrist. Next to have a go was Porteous who headed wide following a Boyle corner and then Boyle himself, fed by Cadden, saw his attempt go straight to Siegrist in the centre of the goal.

Substitutions saw United replace Watson with Chalmers and then Hibs replaced a hobbling Doig with McGregor. The United change was their third and that would have repercussions in the minutes ahead. Big Darren’s first action in the game was to concede a corner which, when taken, wasn’t cleared properly and that allowed Chalmers to strike a shot that went just wide of Macey’s right hand post. I’ll be honest here, I thought I was going to witness another case of Hibs dominating the game but failing to win it but when Mulgrew limped off and couldn’t be replaced I started to breathe a little easier. Indeed, Mulgrew was only off the park for a minute or so when Hibs doubled their lead. A stunning pass from Doyle-Hayes split the United defence and when Boyle took a touch the ball sat nicely for Cadden who stroked it home from about eight yards.

With ten minutes left, Doidge replaced Nisbet as Hibs looked to kill ten man United off by retaining possession in the United half. That ploy started well but United were in a ‘might as well lose by three as two’ mood and started to create a couple of half chances of their own. Chalmers twice and Harkes both saw efforts blocked or miss the target before the hosts pulled a goal back and what a cracking goal it was. Glass pounced on a loose ball some thirty yards from goal and set off on a mazy run, beating three defenders in the process before hammering a shot past Macey to make it 2-1.

In added time, Doyle-Hayes picked up a silly booking for wasting time by kicking the ball away, but things ended on a positive note for Hibs when Murphy came in from the left, tried to play a one-two with a team mate but the return pass actually came from a United defender allowing Jamie to make space for a shot and he rifled the ball past Siegrist to make the scoreline better reflect the game as a whole.

I have to say I thought we played well throughout even allowing for a couple of short passages of play when we kept passing it across the back three. By and large we were aggressive in attack and solid in both midfield and defence. It irks me a tad when I read that we only beat Dundee because they were poor, we only beat Aberdeen because they were poor, and I’d hazard a guess that I’ll find a couple of posts tonight saying we only beat Dundee United because they were poor. The sole object of a football match is to score more goals than your opponents and we did that in all three matches so perhaps our play made those teams look poorer than some folk expected. Let’s go into the break with confidence that we are going in the right direction and playing some pretty good football in the process.

The players

Macey – Could have had a nap in the first half he was so under employed. Had a couple of things to do in the second with one flap at a cross giving me the jitters. Never stood a chance with the goal but to finish on a positive note I felt he was much more alive to beginning moves by throwing the ball out to a team mate a lot quicker than he has been doing.

Porteous – Given that United were being swamped in the first half, Ryan didn’t have a lot of defending to do but I was impressed by his surging forward when the chance arose. More defending in the second half but all done very well.

Hanlon – Like Porteous, not over worked in the first half but did provide a couple of very good diagonal passes to set our wide men free.

Stevenson – Solid first half, looked a tad shaky at the start of the second but finished the game strongly.

Cadden – Hugged the touchline and stuck to the task well, I thought he had a solid first forty five and a very good second including scoring his goal. I honestly believe we are starting to see the best of him, and he gets my man of the match award.

Doyle-Hayes – Still too many sideways and backwards passes for me BUT his defence splitting pass to Boyle in the build up to the second goal gives me hope that the coaching staff can work on making him more confident in trying such things.

Campbell – Josh was pretty solid throughout without doing anything particularly eye catching. I think for such a young lad he shows signs of real maturity at times in terms of his positional play and his willingness to get stuck in when tackles are flying.

Doig – As I alluded too earlier, I was keen to see how much more freedom to bomb forward in his play would pan out with Lewis guarding the back door. The truth is I didn’t really see much of that at all, and I was a bit perplexed when he seemed reluctant to take a man on. In his defence, I suppose the space to do that was limited by United’s rearguard action.

Wright – Had a decent sixty minutes and was involved in the build up to the opening goal. Hopefully that will give him confidence.

Boyle – Martin was his usual buzzbomb self but couldn’t really get a chance to run at them much because the space just wasn’t there to exploit. A clever run in behind at the second goal.

Nisbet – Just like his team mates, Kevin put in a good shift and was on hand to give us the lead. Moments before he was subbed, he unselfishly tried to tee up Murphy, with a cute back heel, for a shot at goal when perhaps he should have said “stuff it I’ll have a go myself”

Murphy – I confess I groaned a bit when I saw Jamie was coming on but fair play to him as he had a decent half hour and scored a fine goal.

McGregor – Daz coming on meant a bit of a change at the back but in terms of his own performance I can’t recall any slip ups or poor marking.

Doidge – The only good thing about Christian’s introduction was that it gave him another ten minutes in the tank.

Shaun Maloney – For me there is a definite change in the way we set up and play and I recognised the beginnings of that in the last game. All good so far.

Referee – Willie Collum had a quiet afternoon of it really.

Stevie Reid
26-12-2021, 06:23 PM
Agree with much of the report, JB - and Cadden as man of the match. His deliveries into the box were superb, and I thought Boyle put a couple of great crosses in also.

As you say, you can only beat what’s in front of you and certainly don’t think that we only beat Aberdeen because they were poor (I didn’t think they were particularly poor tbf).

But I do think it’s fair to acknowledge how weak that Utd team was. Not only were they well short in terms of quality and personnel compared to when they beat us at ER, but they also went down to ten men through bad luck also.

Anyway, an excellent win and a good performance - excited to see how we progress after a three week break and the squad being strengthened.

worcesterhibby
26-12-2021, 07:39 PM
I wouldn’t disagree with a word of that. JDH has a frustrating tendency to find space in the middle of the park and then when he receives the ball hit it straight backwards to Halon without even considering whether he has time to turn and look forward. If he could get his head up a bit and think more positively about receiving it on the half turn ready to drive towards goal, we would benefit massively.

other than that a very good performance and a vital 3 points.

The Harp Awakes
26-12-2021, 07:53 PM
Thought Hibs passed the ball very well today and at a decent pace. They used the full width of the pitch which pulled United players out of position regularly.

I really like the high tempo they have played at in Maloney's first 2 games.

I find Kevin Nisbet a real enigma. Sometimes he looks completely disinterested, but others he looks a very clever, skilful footballer. At times today his play was top drawer. One of Maloney's big tasks is to get the best out of Kevin. Clearly his attitude and work rate needs to improve, and if it does, he could go really far in the game.

hibee1875
26-12-2021, 08:17 PM
Twice in 2 games Doig has made a good run followed up by a good cut back which was so close to becoming an assist.

If he could up that to 2 or 3 times a game we’d be laughing

The Captain....
26-12-2021, 09:22 PM
Very much agree with Cadden getting your MOTM. He gets thru a power of work and is a great outlet.

I said this on the match thread but I've been as impressed by our organisation when out of possession as I have by our passing. We look compact, hunt the ball well and manipulate the opposition into blind alleys. Much improved and gives us a platform to build from.

There's work to do on the midfield passing ..not a criticism as such..the players are taking on the responsibility of being brave enough to take the ball under pressure. It will improve in time I'm sure as we find a settled midfield suited to the style of play the manager wants.

Be really interesting to see how the break improves on what the manager is trying to do.

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Aldo
26-12-2021, 09:33 PM
Very much agree with Cadden getting your MOTM. He gets thru a power of work and is a great outlet.

I said this on the match thread but I've been as impressed by our organisation when out of possession as I have by our passing. We look compact, hunt the ball well and manipulate the opposition into blind alleys. Much improved and gives us a platform to build from.

There's work to do on the midfield passing ..not a criticism as such..the players are taking on the responsibility of being brave enough to take the ball under pressure. It will improve in time I'm sure as we find a settled midfield suited to the style of play the manager wants.

Be really interesting to see how the break improves on what the manager is trying to do.

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Cadden was indeed very good this afternoon and deserved to be MOTM.

Listening to SM post match he alluded to the teams organisation and their ‘defending without the ball’.

Great attitude from the players today. Good to see others chipping in with goals too.

Wee break for them then back at it!

Thanks JB for the post match report!


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B.H.F.C
26-12-2021, 09:34 PM
Twice in 2 games Doig has made a good run followed up by a good cut back which was so close to becoming an assist.

If he could up that to 2 or 3 times a game we’d be laughing

In this system, with the way we’re looking to play, the two wide boys are going to chances and set up chances as well. Expect them start chipping in fairly regularly with either. Cadden getting a goal today was really good, my biggest criticism has been lack of goals through the team.

Centre Hawf
26-12-2021, 10:05 PM
Agree with all that. Would like to say as well I was very happy with Drey Wright, his best game in a Hibs jersey and I think he did a lot of work moving into areas of the park to cover for Cadden and Doig when they go forward while also picking up space and attacking himself. Not sure what the clubs plans are for him after today but if that Drey Wright turns up for the second half of the season he'll be like a new signing.

AZhibee
26-12-2021, 10:36 PM
Thanks Jonnyboy!

jacomo
26-12-2021, 10:59 PM
Thanks JB as always.

The winter break should do good things for us, looking forward to seeing a fresh and sharp Doidge back in contention for a start.

B.H.F.C
26-12-2021, 11:10 PM
Thanks JB as always.

The winter break should do good things for us, looking forward to seeing a fresh and sharp Doidge back in contention for a start.

He looks so far off it. Not sure how the break is going to help with his sharpness. Would be a concern for me going in to the second half of the season with just him to back Nisbet up, given there doesn’t look to be room to play both the way we’re setting up. I don’t think he’s made any kind of impact in any of his appearances. Was OK against Dundee but that would be about it.

Centre Hawf
27-12-2021, 12:10 AM
He looks so far off it. Not sure how the break is going to help with his sharpness. Would be a concern for me going in to the second half of the season with just him to back Nisbet up, given there doesn’t look to be room to play both the way we’re setting up. I don’t think he’s made any kind of impact in any of his appearances. Was OK against Dundee but that would be about it.

We have Mueller after January 1st.

houstonhibbee
27-12-2021, 02:15 AM
Agree with all that. Would like to say as well I was very happy with Drey Wright, his best game in a Hibs jersey and I think he did a lot of work moving into areas of the park to cover for Cadden and Doig when they go forward while also picking up space and attacking himself. Not sure what the clubs plans are for him after today but if that Drey Wright turns up for the second half of the season he'll be like a new signing.
I think the difference is they know what is expected of them rather than just playing a position. That goes for everyone.

BILLYHIBS
27-12-2021, 04:25 AM
Thanks for posting Jonnyboy

Got to say that I realise we are only two games in but I am really excited about what SM is trying to achieve here

He has us trying to play the right way and things will only get better as we increase momentum increase our squad with quality additions and the players buy into his philosophy

I can see us being a serious threat to the OF with a little luck a lot of hard work at HTC and investment from the Board in the seasons to come

Never felt so optimistic about HIBS since the early Turnbull Mowbray eras

Onwards and upwards

PeeJay
27-12-2021, 05:02 AM
Another good read. Biggest surprise for me was a forward pass from JDH - we had a lot of possession, but we are far too slow in transitioning from back to front, and creativity is something we badly lack. Some decent and assured performances though, some good signs - a lot of work still needs to be done, Good start for the manager and the team. From my perspective I thought United were very poor (I only saw the first half though), and while we were OK, we are a long way from being brilliant as some fans on HN seem to think ...

B.H.F.C
27-12-2021, 05:11 AM
We have Mueller after January 1st.

We do but He doesn’t appear to be a centre forward. I don’t think he’s going to be providing competition for Nisbet/Doidge.

Forza Fred
27-12-2021, 05:57 AM
We lack a ‘Colin Stein’ type attacker who relishes the physical challenge and can make opportunities for himself around the edge of the box.

At the moment the only player up front with trickery/pace is Boyle.

JimBHibees
27-12-2021, 08:30 AM
He looks so far off it. Not sure how the break is going to help with his sharpness. Would be a concern for me going in to the second half of the season with just him to back Nisbet up, given there doesn’t look to be room to play both the way we’re setting up. I don’t think he’s made any kind of impact in any of his appearances. Was OK against Dundee but that would be about it.

Will allow him to get up to speed physically. Think he was ill not long after he came back from injury so has been stop start. The break will allow him to catch up imo.

Bradford
27-12-2021, 09:44 AM
Another year over (almost) and as you say some promise after two wins in a row. As a long time exile south of the border who rarely gets up to Edinburgh these days I very much appreciate and enjoy your after match reports. Please keep up the good work in the new year.

All the best to you and yours for 2022.

ancient hibee
27-12-2021, 11:21 AM
Another good read. Biggest surprise for me was a forward pass from JDH - we had a lot of possession, but we are far too slow in transitioning from back to front, and creativity is something we badly lack. Some decent and assured performances though, some good signs - a lot of work still needs to be done, Good start for the manager and the team. From my perspective I thought United were very poor (I only saw the first half though), and while we were OK, we are a long way from being brilliant as some fans on HN seem to think ...

Why does it always have to be that the other team was poor? United played as they did because we were good and dominated them forcing them to play the way they did. It's what good teams do in my opinion.

Northernhibee
27-12-2021, 11:27 AM
Why does it always have to be that the other team was poor? United played as they did because we were good and dominated them forcing them to play the way they did. It's what good teams do in my opinion.

To play well against us a team is going to have to be very sharp and fit. We create as much width as possible and are passing it well. The opposition will need to be able to press relentlessly and in a pack for 90 minutes.

We may be a bit vulnerable to the long ball over the top if we face strikers with pace as we look as if we're pushing our back line quite high and our wing backs very high.

superfurryhibby
27-12-2021, 11:34 AM
Why does it always have to be that the other team was poor? United played as they did because we were good and dominated them forcing them to play the way they did. It's what good teams do in my opinion.

i agree,.

Dismissing Hibs victories or undermining them by saying how poor the opposition were, it's a lazy way of trying to make a different point ( by inference Hibs are obviously gash too).

For some reason I can't help feeling that people who come out with this probably don't watch much SPFL football (cue pish about not missing a game in 50 years, blah, blah).

JimBHibees
27-12-2021, 11:42 AM
Why does it always have to be that the other team was poor? United played as they did because we were good and dominated them forcing them to play the way they did. It's what good teams do in my opinion.

Agree Aberdeen were on a winning run though agree we got a bit lucky with Brown and Mcrorie missing. A weaker or as weak young United team went to Ibrox and were unlucky to lose the week before. Thought second half they were decent after changing shape. Very good couple of wins for us against teams in and around us which puts us in a decent position to attack European places.

CyberSauzee
27-12-2021, 12:37 PM
Excellent read JB. Great to see Stevenson and Doig together in the starting lineup, hopefully something we'll see on a regular basis.

Interesting to see Hallberg back on the bench. And no Gogic in the squad - was he injured or just dropped? Can't see him on list of current suspensions.

jacomo
27-12-2021, 12:49 PM
He looks so far off it. Not sure how the break is going to help with his sharpness. Would be a concern for me going in to the second half of the season with just him to back Nisbet up, given there doesn’t look to be room to play both the way we’re setting up. I don’t think he’s made any kind of impact in any of his appearances. Was OK against Dundee but that would be about it.


You’re not sure how a player coming back from a long term injury will benefit from another couple of weeks’ training?

You don’t see how a centre forward fits into a system where we are playing two strikers?

I thought what I posted was pretty uncontentious, but it seems folk will seek a disagreement over anything on here now.

B.H.F.C
27-12-2021, 01:04 PM
You’re not sure how a player coming back from a long term injury will benefit from another couple of weeks’ training?

You don’t see how a centre forward fits into a system where we are playing two strikers?

I thought what I posted was pretty uncontentious, but it seems folk will seek a disagreement over anything on here now.

We’re not playing with two strikers. We’re playing a 343 with one central striker.

The above has been covered quite a bit elsewhere so it’s not a case of looking for an argument as you put it.

Doidge has been training for the best part of a couple of months. It’s game time he needs IMO, hence why a week off and no games for three weeks isn’t really what he needs IMO.

PeeJay
27-12-2021, 01:13 PM
Why does it always have to be that the other team was poor? United played as they did because we were good and dominated them forcing them to play the way they did. It's what good teams do in my opinion.

It doesn't "always" have to be, but that's the way it is sometimes and stating it doesn't make it wrong ... I only saw the first half and they were very poor IMO - of course part of it is to do with our performance, as you say. Still are you suggesting they were really good and only our super new style of playing stopped them from playing? :wink:

They are on an awful run, they have lost 5 games on the trot as have the two bottom teams, they have scored the second lowest number of goals in the league, and from what I saw first half that doesn't surprise me ...

jacomo
27-12-2021, 01:15 PM
We’re not playing with two strikers. We’re playing a 343 with one central striker.

The above has been covered quite a bit elsewhere so it’s not a case of looking for an argument as you put it.

Doidge has been training for the best part of a couple of months. It’s game time he needs IMO, hence why a week off and no games for three weeks isn’t really what he needs IMO.


Ok fair enough you’ve got me telt!

Apologies for my grumpy post.

CmoantheHibs
27-12-2021, 02:28 PM
Matt Macey has taken some justified criticism on here recently for his distribution. Glad you mentioned it having improved JB. His distribution was excellent against United. It was much quicker, more accurate and threw it a good few times. I’m sure there was only once the ball went out of play from one of his kicks and that was just a yard or 2 too long from being a superb pass to Cadden on the touch line.
Found it really frustrating with JDH constantly passing the ball back in the 1st half. There was a marked difference in the 2nd half though where he played much more progressively. I’d imagine Shaun had a word in his ear at half time.

superfurryhibby
27-12-2021, 04:07 PM
It doesn't "always" have to be, but that's the way it is sometimes and stating it doesn't make it wrong ... I only saw the first half and they were very poor IMO - of course part of it is to do with our performance, as you say. Still are you suggesting they were really good and only our super new style of playing stopped them from playing? :wink:

They are on an awful run, they have lost 5 games on the trot as have the two bottom teams, they have scored the second lowest number of goals in the league, and from what I saw first half that doesn't surprise me ...

I think people are saying that our form and style of play have improved since Ross left :na na:wink:

You make a fair point, such a comprehensive win and away from home, it's a bit of everything; our good play, a system designed to get the best from our (better in my view) players, superior game plan and of course they are also in poor form.

I suppose it's quite typical of our league that every team (apart from the ugly sisters) will have periods of dismal form and winless runs over the course of a season. For all that they were well beaten yesterday United will still finish comfortably in mid table.

PeeJay
28-12-2021, 09:08 AM
I think people are saying that our form and style of play have improved since Ross left :na na:wink:

You make a fair point, such a comprehensive win and away from home, it's a bit of everything; our good play, a system designed to get the best from our (better in my view) players, superior game plan and of course they are also in poor form.

I suppose it's quite typical of our league that every team (apart from the ugly sisters) will have periods of dismal form and winless runs over the course of a season. For all that they were well beaten yesterday United will still finish comfortably in mid table.

Yeah, I actually made some fairly positive comments in the same post about the team and staff and Maloney's start, but it seems anything negative is immediately pounced on ... perspective is important if we are to judge the level of our improvement (which isn't to say mine is the only one that counts ....) :greengrin