Boyle - Club or country?

[Jim44]

Big decision for Boyle.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-forward-martin-boyle-opens-up-on-facing-huge-decision-for-hearts-clash-as-australia-call-looms-3506227?fbclid=IwAR0E8Y4lPoc26dNVUGJj1OUPRmUZnKgPO NFjaZDfaSxNR_r4aD1Xgna-PXw

[Billy Whizz]

Big decision for Boyle.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-forward-martin-boyle-opens-up-on-facing-huge-decision-for-hearts-clash-as-australia-call-looms-3506227?fbclid=IwAR0E8Y4lPoc26dNVUGJj1OUPRmUZnKgPO NFjaZDfaSxNR_r4aD1Xgna-PXw
Jim, decision should be out of his hands

[1875Sean]

Think he will go, he was going before the derby got moved can’t see that changing

[hibbyfraelibby]

Big decision for Boyle.

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-forward-martin-boyle-opens-up-on-facing-huge-decision-for-hearts-clash-as-australia-call-looms-3506227?fbclid=IwAR0E8Y4lPoc26dNVUGJj1OUPRmUZnKgPO NFjaZDfaSxNR_r4aD1Xgna-PXw
He doesn't have a decision to make...

If chosen FIFA rules apply.

[Irish_Steve]

He doesn't have a decision to make...

If chosen FIFA rules apply.

What, are you suggesting The Scotsman doesn't know the rules. Woeful journalism

[Jim44]

What, are you suggesting The Scotsman doesn't know the rules. Woeful journalism

It would appear that Boyle is unaware of the rules, as well.

[B.H.F.C]

He doesn't have a decision to make...

If chosen FIFA rules apply.

The FIFA rules only apply to certain dates. If this falls out with those dates, there is a decision to be made.

[bigwheel]

In my view Country should always trump Club for competitive fixtures

[WeeRussell]

In my view Country should always trump Club for competitive fixtures

Me too. It would if I was a player and would have absolutely no issue with Martin feels that way too.

[hibbyfraelibby]

The FIFA rules only apply to certain dates. If this falls out with those dates, there is a decision to be made.

They apply

[Since452]

Club over country every single time for me.

[hibbytam]

Club over country every single time for me.

I'd find it hard to deny him the chance to qualify for the world cup.

Would be brilliant for him, would be good for our reputation, and would add a few ££ to his value if we were to sell him. Especially if he has a couple of good games.

[dp00]

Will pick country surely , I would expect him too


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[A Hi-Bee]

Hibs, I am sure will not stand in the way of any of our players representing their country, to start doing so would not just be detrimental to any player but also for any future players considering being at our great club.

:thumbsup:

[wookie70]

Playing wise it should always be country before club but that is if it is the country you feel you associate with. Before playing for Australia would Boyle have thought that. The good news is we are far, far less reliant on him the way we play now. We are more a team than we were a few weeks ago when it was give it to Boyler and keep everything crossed.

[CapitalGreen]

If we stopped him going and Australia failed to qualify as a result then I doubt he’d be happy sticking around much longer after we stopped his likely only chance of playing at a World Cup.

[Onion]

Let him go, as long as he signs a new 5 year contract. Most important players at ER.

[Speedy]

In my view Country should always trump Club for competitive fixtures

Totally agree.

Unless of course he feels it inappropriate to travel across the world in the current covid situation

[MagicSwirlingShip]

Hope Mueller is raring to go

[Steve20]

Club should ALWAYS be before country. Disappointed if Boyle missed any Hibs games to play for Australia, never mind the derby.

[JimBHibees]

Club should ALWAYS be before country. Disappointed if Boyle missed any Hibs games to play for Australia, never mind the derby.

There are rules in place which say the opposite

[danhibees1875]

Sore one. I suspect, technical rules aside, that Hibs and AusFA would discuss with Boyle and let him choose (as he alludes to).

I'd plan on us not having Boyle for those 3 games as a result.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

I will be disappointed if we get to a situation with Boyle where we have to enforce rather than agree.

[JimBHibees]

I will be disappointed if we get to a situation with Boyle where we have to enforce rather than agree.

Given these games have been known about for a while you must assume there has been an agreement already reached. Assume he will go and to be honest fair enough imo.

[B.H.F.C]

Sore one. I suspect, technical rules aside, that Hibs and AusFA would discuss with Boyle and let him choose (as he alludes to).

I'd plan on us not having Boyle for those 3 games as a result.

They’re trying to qualify for a World Cup so if they want him, and rules permit, I don’t think there’ll be much discussion. They’ve got loads of European based players so I can’t see anything other than them wanting their full squad available.

[Radium]

I would expect both him and Rogic to be away with Australia. Kyogo if fit will be away with Japan.

… makes all the rubbish from TTRFC goalie a bit hollow


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[danhibees1875]

They’re trying to qualify for a World Cup so if they want him, and rules permit, I don’t think there’ll be much discussion. They’ve got loads of European based players so I can’t see anything other than them wanting their full squad available.

I just think it would be poor player management to force the issue - for either side.

Australia can explain their position to Boyle (and their other European players) and I think they'd do so confident that he would say he was keen to be a part of their plans.

[Paul1642]

Country always before club. We have a good enough squad for him to miss a few games and if we give him our full backing to go then hopefully the loyalty is rewarded in some way.

Always does my head in when players pull out of Scotland squads then manage to play for their club soon after.

[MWHIBBIES]

I'd play for Hibs in a friendly over Scotland. I certainly don't expect that from Martin though. He'll be away with Aus.

[jacomo]

What, are you suggesting The Scotsman doesn't know the rules. Woeful journalism


It’s sad to see a once great newspaper brought so low.

[Since90+2]

IMO in situations like this the organisation paying you, in Martin's case very substantial wage, should be getting priority. I do think he'll go away with Australia though.

[Forza Fred]

Hearts might have one, possibly two players who may go too depending on the squad announcement.

[jacomo]

IMO in situations like this the organisation paying you, in Martin's case very substantial need, should be getting priority. I do think he'll go away with Australia though.


Martin’s commitment to Australia will have been discussed in negotiations around his new contract. It’s naive to think otherwise.

He’s our player but he will miss games because of this. We just have to deal with it.

[Since90+2]

Martin’s commitment to Australia will have been discussed in negotiations around his new contract. It’s naive to think otherwise.

He’s our player but he will miss games because of this. We just have to deal with it.

I think going by his comments this week ultimately it's his decision so it doesn't seem anything is written in stone.

[mcohibs]

Country takes priority over club IMO

[Sean1875]

If only McLeish had just picked him for Scotland all those years ago. Pain in the arse this.


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[tamig]

IMO in situations like this the organisation paying you, in Martin's case very substantial wage, should be getting priority. I do think he'll go away with Australia though.

If you wanted to go a bit further then why bother with international football full stop? Only a tiny number of out of contract players will be playing for their countries so the vast majority will be paid by their clubs. Fortunately FIFA have rules in place to ensure that he can play for his country over his club - otherwise its the end of international football. Great opportunity for him to play on the biggest stage of all.

[MWHIBBIES]

If you wanted to go a bit further then why bother with international football full stop? Only a tiny number of out of contract players will be playing for their countries so the vast majority will be paid by their clubs. Fortunately FIFA have rules in place to ensure that he can play for his country over his club - otherwise its the end of international football. Great opportunity for him to play on the biggest stage of all.

Or, everyone can play on the proper international breaks?

Boyle will go with Aus, but this break during club games is ****ing daft.

[Forza Fred]

Or, everyone can play on the proper international breaks?

Boyle will go with Aus, but this break during club games is ****ing daft.

But it IS a FIFA official international window….just not in Europe…but certainly in Asia and a couple of other confederations.

Agree though, these days of international travel it doesn’t make a lot of sense

Dunno why Europe isn’t included.

[basehibby]

With Australia trying to qualify for the WC and Martin well in the mix for games I'd be amazed if he didn't go to play for them - and he'll do so with my best wishes.

[JimBHibees]

With Australia trying to qualify for the WC and Martin well in the mix for games I'd be amazed if he didn't go to play for them - and he'll do so with my best wishes.

Yep would have no issue with it at all.

[The 90+2]

Reckon he will be back for the derby.

[lord bunberry]

With Australia trying to qualify for the WC and Martin well in the mix for games I'd be amazed if he didn't go to play for them - and he'll do so with my best wishes.
:agree: He’s got a chance to play on the biggest stage in world football, as much as we’d like him to stay and play for us I don’t see it happening.

[cabbageandribs1875]

country before club every time :agree:and rightly so, every professional footballer will want to play for their chosen country


good luck MB

[Bristolhibby]

The FIFA rules only apply to certain dates. If this falls out with those dates, there is a decision to be made.

If it’s outwit sanctioned dates there’s no decision. He plays for his club.

J

[Bristolhibby]

But it IS a FIFA official international window….just not in Europe…but certainly in Asia and a couple of other confederations.

Agree though, these days of international travel it doesn’t make a lot of sense

Dunno why Europe isn’t included.

So what’s the status of this? Is it or isn’t a FIFA sanctioned date? If it is he goes, if it’s not, he stays.

There can be no pishy halfway house. Most top players play in Europe. If they have to go, fine, but FIFA should just make it clear.

J

[Paul1642]

Too much discussion on FIFA rules on this thread. It’s going to come down to Boyle personal decision at the end of the day, and he has a chance to play in word cup qualifiers, and thereafter play in the word cup and he would be mental to give that up.

At club level he will never play above the early stages of the europa league. At intentional level he currently has a very realistic chance of playing in the World Cup, the very top competition in word football. Where 3-4 good games can earn you a top transfer (see James Rodriguez). Why would he give that opportunity up to play a few league games for Hibs?

PS - Looking at the Asian qualifying groups hits home how hard a time we have of things on account of being European. Give me Saudi Arabia / Iran as the main competitor over the likes of Denmark any day.

[cameronw-hfc]

Too much discussion on FIFA rules on this thread. It’s going to come down to Boyle personal decision at the end of the day, and he has a chance to play in word cup qualifiers, and thereafter play in the word cup and he would be mental to give that up.

At club level he will never play above the early stages of the europa league. At intentional level he currently has a very realistic chance of playing in the World Cup, the very top competition in word football. Where 3-4 good games can earn you a top transfer (see James Rodriguez). Why would he give that opportunity up to play a few league games for Hibs?

PS - Looking at the Asian qualifying groups hits home how hard a time we have of things on account of being European. Give me Saudi Arabia / Iran as the main competitor over the likes of Denmark any day.

If you think we've got it tough check out South America. It's like it's own World Cup mega group of death. Sounds obvious but isn't until I actually seen the qualifying and realised every single team is at worst decent. And add in the fact they've got the most insane people messing with the rules every year 😂

[Forza Fred]

So what’s the status of this? Is it or isn’t a FIFA sanctioned date? If it is he goes, if it’s not, he stays.

There can be no pishy halfway house. Most top players play in Europe. If they have to go, fine, but FIFA should just make it clear.

J

It is a FIFA sanctioned international window for several confederations, including Asia, but not Europe.

I originally interpreted that as meaning that if you were with a European based club, it was not mandatory for clubs to release players to an out of Europe association..eg Australia…who are in the Asian confederation.

I then read about 368 FIFA documents, but could find nothing to support my original belief.

My current view after reading all the documentation I could find is that He must be released, regardless of which confederation he plays in

However, it does leave me confused as to why the international windows are not world wide, but sometimes exclude some confederations

[Tarrahib]

country before club every time :agree:and rightly so, every professional footballer will want to play for their chosen country


good luck MB
Got to agree. Go with Australia with our best wishes and come back to Hibs ready to push us up the league table.

[Forza Fred]

The Socceroos direct qualifying chances are on a knife edge.

They may not make the top two even with him, but they most certainly won't without him.

[JimBHibees]

The Socceroos direct qualifying chances are on a knife edge.

They may not make the top two even with him, but they most certainly won't without him.

Yep think they need him and will want him for upcoming games which is fair enough. Big loss to Japan hasn't helped.